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GreenKnight (EUNE)
: SOME people say that Riot doesn't take us seriously, SOME people say that Fiora is broken REEEE. Don't lump everyone in the same bag.
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=pERlzoFa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-24T23:02:54.756+0000) > > SOME people say that Riot doesn't take us seriously, SOME people say that Fiora is broken REEEE. > > Don't lump everyone in the same bag. yeh, I'm just memeing a bit. You seem like a cool person! I know some other people will get offended by my post cause "tanks ultra weak" or whatever, but it is what it is. You get my vote up!
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GigglesO (NA)
: Why tanks don't exist
Are you raging because as a tank you couldn't 1v1 a character designed to 1v1?? Tanks are fine. Everyone crying how "Tanks are really bad" either go 1v5 and then wonder why they can't get instant Pentakill by standing around with ambient damage, or go against characters designed to beat tanks. if you people played 5v5 like you're supposed to do you'd realize how tanks are actually just fine. Comes the rain of down votes. The boards love tanks and wants them to kill carries, mages and bruisers by standing around and buying a Thornmail. You then wonder why Riot doesn't take the boards seriously.
: Lethality isn't a problem, get over it.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pN4Wt4QE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-07T23:27:08.169+0000) > > Lethality isn't a problem, get over it. Lethality isn't a problem. Duskblade is.
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King Lego (EUNE)
: I may hate Akali but I don't agree on this...
Yeah, we should also campaign for Zed to get a heal when he uses Q cause otherwise the champion is destroyed. I'm very serious btw, ultra serious very professional comment.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=SamaHamra,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=MhtWZEyN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-29T18:10:24.417+0000) > > Talon already heals, plus its to make tower dives easier? On zed you press r and then after u e and q you just press a r again to get out of tower range.... Kinda like how the joke just flew way over your head?
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Moody P (NA)
: Put Akali's healing on her passive if it's going to be removed from Q
Yeah. Let's also give Talon, Zed, Fizz and Yasuo healing on their passive because **OMG THEY CAN'T TOWER DIVE EASILY VERY UNFAIR ;______;** Can't believe there's actually some people that are suffering and sad that a character build around broken concepts is finally being brought down to an acceptable level.
Moody P (NA)
: Why remove Irelia's unique strengths?
Are you seriously asking why an overloaded character is being finally toned down from a bullshit state??
: Oracle's Alteration Should Not Activate Boxes.
You play Shaco. You deserve no sympathy. You're worse than Yasuo/Akali mains combined. At least they don't make posts every year about how something is destroying their character every time.
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: IG's win had nothing to do with IG...
KT: _Ok guys, here's the strategy. We'll do nothing for 50 mins and then we'll win in a teamf-... oh... we lost_
: Lucian is bullshit
_"**Lucian is Bullshit**"_ -said the Miss Fortune player https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BigPessimisticIberianmole-size_restricted.gif https://youtu.be/n8AaXOgEW2I?t=16s
: That Zed has 21 kills... https://youtu.be/vUjQJ7HRNUY?t=434 season 4 zed btw
> [{quoted}](name=Handin Out Naps,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qasWtWfL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-21T00:45:28.344+0000) > > That Zed has 21 kills... > > > https://youtu.be/vUjQJ7HRNUY?t=434 > > season 4 zed btw **"Use your ultimate"** And it's still slower.
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Ralanr (NA)
: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses Take a look at this and tell me where Mundo is. It isn’t under tank for one. And Mundo is a juggernaut not because he follows the others in combos, but because he’s the basic premise of it. Tanky, runs at you, kills you. Him being labeled as a juggernaut is because it’s the only role that fits his current design. He’s not healthy at all and needs a rework, but he fits juggernaut better than tank since he’s more or less picked to kill people. It annoys me when people label him as a tank because he only serves to make any class he’s in look bad because of how god awful his design is. But when I call him a juggernaut, I’m not saying juggernauts are bad. I’m just saying Mundo is a juggernaut. That’s not what’s wrong with him.
> [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bLKGLda1,comment-id=0010000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-15T23:20:15.226+0000) > > And Mundo is a juggernaut not because he follows the others in combos, but because he’s the basic premise of it. Tanky, runs at you, kills you. Him being labeled as a juggernaut is because it’s the only role that fits his current design. He’s not healthy at all and needs a rework, but he fits juggernaut better than tank since he’s more or less picked to kill people There's a difference between a 4/0 Darius with a Black Cleaver and a Deadman's Plate that runs into you, pulls you, applies the stacks and then kills you... and a 0/1 Mundo with Sunfire and Warmog's just walking around people while his ult heals him for free while he kills you. That is not the pattern of a Juggernaut. That's just a busted tank.
Ralanr (NA)
: Ok, just because we say Mundo isn’t a tank doesn’t mean we find him balanced. Mundo is a horribly designed champion who doesn’t fit well into today’s version of the game outside of being straight up cancer. Mundo is a problem no matter what his class is. There is no denying that.
> [{quoted}](name=Ralanr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bLKGLda1,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2018-07-15T22:56:01.330+0000) > > Ok, just because we say Mundo isn’t a tank doesn’t mean we find him balanced. Mundo is a horribly designed champion who doesn’t fit well into today’s version of the game outside of being straight up cancer. > > Mundo is a problem no matter what his class is. There is no denying that. Fair enough, but I can't stand the term "Juggernaut" being used like this. I hate it when people use it to describe actual Tanks that perform like Juggernauts just because having way too high numbers. Darius and Garen at least need a Black Cleaver and have an actual weak early game. Darius requires proper use of his Q to restore HP and apply stacks to deal his damage. Garen needs to pick his fights properly or he'll just be unable to execute anyone and die. Nasus needs to stack up by actually proper farming and even get a non entirely defensive item in Iceborn or Trinity if you really wanna bring the DPS. Juggernauts are build with kits that require setup from either themselves or a teammate, as well as proper timing of your skills. Mundo is nothing like that. He builds only Tank items, he has no complex mechanics to unload Juggernaut-esque damage, his ultimate is made to Tank the enemy team's damage. Using the term _Juggernaut_ to attempt to excuse an overloaded tank is one of the oldest tricks in the book, and let's not even talk about the guy in this thread who thinks Mundo is a Fighter. To be called a Juggernaut, you need to be designed as such, not just deal the same damage by standing around people while having 5K HP.
: What's the point of tanks anymore??
**Juggernaut**: BS tank term invented by Riot and used by Tank Loves who want to excuse 5K HP unkillable walls being able to deal massive damage by walking around. To those using the "Juggernaut" term, these characters aren't tanks, even though they're performing **everything a Tank's role is in a game** and building all all defensive items. But remember: Mundo is not a Tank and he's very balanced!! He's a fighter like Irelia who is highly demanding mechanically and only has 2.5K HP. I know Mundo has 5K and only builds defensive stats but that's ok, he's actually a Fighter. Wait, let me go post in the boards about how the poor tanks are so weak and in desperate need of massive buffs omg unplayable!!!!
: What's the point of tanks anymore??
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: Why hasnt Fiddlesticks Support been nerfed yet?
Same reason this bastard is allowed to exist in his current form {{champion:36}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:36}}
: > [{quoted}](name=FNC Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T20:25:11.988+0000) > > Sorry, but this doesn't work. Your analogy is like telling the Orianna one trick _"Hey, Viktor is meta now, please learn him"_ Incorrect. I listed a bunch of different things because _every other role has had to play entirely different classes_ depending on the meta. > What happened here is like having that restaurant and Riot saying _"Yeah, you make burgers but now I want you to gonna make world class hand made pasta"_ > There's no "bonus points" because people soon realize the pasta is just so much better that ordering a "Lucian Burger" because the pasta the restaurant serves now is just that good, and people eventually just stop ordering burgers because they realize it's just a waste of money. > Not only that, but the owner of the restaurant demands that the burger makers learn to do that world class hand made pasta that the new hired chef is making by tomorrow. Oof, seems that you missed the point. That's exactly what I'm saying because the meta has shifted. There have been stages mid lane of assassins mid, mages mid, tanks mid, even some ADCs mid (Hi Varus, Corki). It's also pretty funny that you drop the "Wow wtf they have to learn how to make pasta!?" while the top laner has had to make burgers, pasta, etc. for years. Does the analogy make sense now? Everyone has had to adapt, change their champ pool and more...except ADCs. > Your argument following is also pretty poor. It seems to me that you don't understand how much of a niche the ADC role truly is. You are attempting to compare changing from a fighter (Aatrox) to another fighter (New Aatrox) to going from Cait to Swain and Vladimir. The role the character has in the game is very different. Who do you think will have more chances of success? The Vlad main who used to play him Mid and Top and now can play him Bot, or the Lucian player who hasn't touched Vlad in his life? Oh yeah, DoubleLift... maybe I should post that VoD of a couple weeks ago. Then when he's on his Lucian, he also loses to Kobbe's Heimer, a player notorious for under performing in the EU LCS right now, yet the marksmen characters have become so worthless, that just picking a mage rises your chances of winning, even if you're going against a very experienced Lucian player. Once again, you're just going over the point itself to nitpick. You're also dropping the more important point (Going from learning Ornn to having to learn, say, Aatrox or Irelia because they're meta staples now) to focus on a point you can win in the argument. And hey, that's why I said this is a wake-up call: Bot laners suddenly have to learn a new class of champion just like everyone else and suddenly it's the end of the world for them. If you can't diversify your portfolio, that isn't a good sign. And you don't even have to be GOOD at it, you can be passable or even lackluster. Ain't nothing wrong with having a pocket adc player. > Your Aprho example is just plain weird. Everyone can tell you that Aphro is not a top mechanical player, and that his most valuable contributions come in the form of shot calling, keeping the team cool in a pressure situation, and being a voice of experience among his fellow players. Ah so basically you're never going to agree until I pick a pro player you specifically agree to. It's also (looking back) kind of funny that we can't use Faker because he's the best. As a pro player, shouldn't you _strive_ to be the best? Shouldn't Faker be the apex of what you should try to accomplish? > The ADC role on the other hand is one of the most demanding mechanically, particularly in pro play, and their responsibilities in game are way different from those of a Support... and a Mid Laner, and a Jungler, and a Top Laner. You need to be Faker or UZI to ignore the meta and just do your thing because how insanely good you truly are. And every role is mechanically demanding to an extent. Look at the mechanics levi does with Lee Sin and tell me it's not mechanically commanding. Part of this is to stop putting ADCs of a pedestel, mind you. Other players have mechanical work to do as well and ADCs job is no harder or easier than anyone elses job. They just require a different skill set....just like an assassin vs. a mage. > I'm sorry, but that's just plain disrespectful to a man who has dedicated so many years of his life to the refinement and perfection of what he was hired to do. "Oh... well, we know you're super dedicated and passionate and have spent years learning the intricacies of this particular role and set of character but we want _diversity_ in Bot so f- -k you" > Also, while the diversity of the bot lane in regular play **is in fact a reality**, in pro play (the topic here) there's no such thing as Bot lane diversity. Instead of Trist, Cait Xayah every game, it's Yasuo, Swain and Vlad every game. The only difference is that Riot put people's jobs at stake by forcing such a sudden change. True diversity would be if all the Spring carries were still viable while also having Yasuo, Swain and Vlad be as good too. That would be true diversity. What we have right now is not. Sorry, but that's the way it works. I'm not disrespecting Rekkles because I dislike him or his work but really, this crying is incredible. As I pointed out, every other role has had to spend the past _eight years_ learning all sorts of champs, roles, builds and gameplay changes while ADC has been left relatively untouched. I have a hard time putting Rekkles as some martyr for the ADC class when the only true change that happened was that his role became just like everyone elses: Open to different picks that may require learning different playstyles. I also can't take it seriously when ADCs are still pickable and good. Lucian, Kai'sa, Ezreal and others still see play in the bot lane so this "ADC Armageddon" really isn't hitting home for me. What Rekkles is getting is a taste of what every single other position has had to do for years. He has my sympathy that Riot forced him to be stuck playing ADCs for years but not my regret that suddenly he has to learn new roles and tools. You're also absurdly wrong with the "Yasuo/Swain/Vlad" every game. Heimerdinger. Darius. Double support bot for funnel. Previously mentioned ADCs. Etc. I think your first goal should be to take a step back and actually look at the meta right now because this venerable defense of ADCs seems grossly misguided when all that happened is that they have to play just like everyone else and can't stay cozy in the ADC hut for the rest of their careers.
> Incorrect. I listed a bunch of different things because every other role has had to play entirely different classes depending on the meta. > Oof, seems that you missed the point. That's exactly what I'm saying because the meta has shifted. There have been stages mid lane of assassins mid, mages mid, tanks mid, even some ADCs mid (Hi Varus, Corki). It's also pretty funny that you drop the "Wow wtf they have to learn how to make pasta!?" while the top laner has had to make burgers, pasta, etc. for years. Does the analogy make sense now? Everyone has had to adapt, change their champ pool and more...except ADCs. > Once again, you're just going over the point itself to nitpick. You're also dropping the more important point (Going from learning Ornn to having to learn, say, Aatrox or Irelia because they're meta staples now) to focus on a point you can win in the argument. And hey, that's why I said this is a wake-up call: Bot laners suddenly have to learn a new class of champion just like everyone else and suddenly it's the end of the world for them. If you can't diversify your portfolio, that isn't a good sign. And you don't even have to be GOOD at it, you can be passable or even lackluster. Ain't nothing wrong with having a pocket adc player. Yeah, it's clear to me you just don't understand how niche ADC is compared to literally every other role in the game. I'll try to keep going with your cooking analogy. You may believe any professional cook may be able to bake cakes, but it just so happens to be the case that baking cakes (or any pastry) takes a very different set of skills and requires a lot of precision. Once again, you're trying to compare going from a Tank (Ornn) to a Fighter (Irelia), to playing Xayah and then be forced to play Swain. Makes me think you don't quite understand how different Swain and Xayah play and how different their roles are in the game, where a melee character in Top has always been a Melee character in Top. You talk about Varus and Corki in the Mid Lane, yet you fail to mention how they're essentially played the same way as any traditional caster in the Mid Lane. The role doesn't change, the play style doesn't change. Assassins aren't normally played because it just so happens that they also have a very niche play style that only a few can really pull off, but again, those are exceptions, not the norm. > Ah so basically you're never going to agree until I pick a pro player you specifically agree to. It's also (looking back) kind of funny that we can't use Faker because he's the best. As a pro player, shouldn't you strive to be the best? Shouldn't Faker be the apex of what you should try to accomplish? I'm not going to agree because you simply won't find a pro that has had to do such a massive shift that is not someone specially gifted. Also, striving to be the best like Faker doesn't mean you'll have his skills. Does that mean every soccer player is bad because they aren't like Messi or CR7. You can't use exceptions to set standards. > And every role is mechanically demanding to an extent. Look at the mechanics levi does with Lee Sin and tell me it's not mechanically commanding. Part of this is to stop putting ADCs of a pedestel, mind you. Other players have mechanical work to do as well and ADCs job is no harder or easier than anyone elses job. They just require a different skill set....just like an assassin vs. a mage. Have you ever played marksmen consistently for an extended period of time? But anyway, I suddenly think this argument of yours actually helps me more than you. You're saying every role can be very mechanically demanding, and you want people that have never have to deal with those mechanics **at the highest level** to just _pick it up_ and deal with it. We could go back to the baker and pasta situation... > Sorry, but that's the way it works. I'm not disrespecting Rekkles because I dislike him or his work but really, this crying is incredible. As I pointed out, every other role has had to spend the past eight years learning all sorts of champs, roles, builds and gameplay changes while ADC has been left relatively untouched. I have a hard time putting Rekkles as some martyr for the ADC class when the only true change that happened was that his role became just like everyone elses: Open to different picks that may require learning different playstyles. I also can't take it seriously when ADCs are still pickable and good. Lucian, Kai'sa, Ezreal and others still see play in the bot lane so this "ADC Armageddon" really isn't hitting home for me. What Rekkles is getting is a taste of what every single other position has had to do for years. He has my sympathy that Riot forced him to be stuck playing ADCs for years but not my regret that suddenly he has to learn new roles and tools. You're also absurdly wrong with the "Yasuo/Swain/Vlad" every game. Heimerdinger. Darius. Double support bot for funnel. Previously mentioned ADCs. Etc. I think your first goal should be to take a step back and actually look at the meta right now because this venerable defense of ADCs seems grossly misguided when all that happened is that they have to play just like everyone else and can't stay cozy in the ADC hut for the rest of their careers. Rekkles was the person interviewed here, but every AD in the World has been affected by this. A lot of people have voiced their opinion about how bad they made marksmen characters. You can look at any region in the world and you'll see every AD struggling to cope with the sudden radical change in the game. I'm not trying to put Rekkles as a martyr, he just happened to be the AD Travis interviewed for this matter. We could keep going but I feel we're gonna start repeating ourselves and I don't think I'm gonna convince you nor that you're gonna convince me. I'm gonna drop here and suggest we agree to disagree. If you want to continue, have the last word or call the argument won on your side, that's ok. I just believe not much more can be said from either side of the argument. Thank you for the chat.
: > [{quoted}](name=FNC Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T19:09:56.446+0000) > > It's very easy to say all those things when it's not your job what's on the line. > I don't know what your job is friend, but let's just say you're hired to design 2D logos for a company. Then, out of the blue your boss tells you _"Well, starting tomorrow all our logos will be animated and they need to be top quality. I know you studied graphic design and not animation but I don't care. Either you do it or I'll just get someone else"_ > > Is that what you signed for? Does that seem fair to you? We're not talking about some random raging guy on the boards. We're talking about someone's job being at stake here. Your Faker argument just feels out of place. You know very well that Faker isn't the norm for professional players. He's an exception, and you can't use those for attempting to set a standard. Your problem is that you forget that every other role has had to do this. For a better example. let's say a team in LoL is like a restaurant kitchen. Top laner has been cooking cakes, pies, souffles, all sorts of desserts for years. Jungler has been making side dishes from mash potatos to salad to macaroni to french fries. Mid lane has made soup, brisket, steak, all sorts of stuff. Support has had to run the gamut from ramen to pasta to chinese noodles. Meanwhile, ADC has made...burgers. Oh, yeah, he can make a LOT of different burgers and they all taste good but at the end of the day, all he's had to make are burgers. Then one day Riot, owner of League De Restaurant, comes in and says "Hey, dude, we love your burgers but we're gonna need for you to learn how to make hot dogs and corn dogs too.". Now, pray tell, how would you feel as any other role who has had to learn, drop and change your food for _years_ to hear the ADC going "Fucking HOTDOGS!? What the fuck!? All I can do are burgers. What the fuck is the owner thinking in making me learn how to make hot dogs!?" (Bonus points because some customers still order the Lucian Burger, the Ezreal Special or the burger on a kai'sa-roll.) And sure, let's not use faker. But look at any other player. Do you think Aphromoo is fine always swapping from Bard to Alistar to Thresh to pyke to Janna to whatever-the-support-of-the-day is? How about any EU player who is now learning Heimer bot? How about any top laner who now has to drop everything about old aatrox and get better at new aatrox (who plays radically different from old aatrox but is still meta.) Maybe if this was something every lane rarely had to do I'd agree with you. However, since the inception of league, no role has been as closed off as adcs bot lane. And again: If you want to argue that ADCs should go into other lanes? 100% agree there! However, your argument seems to be that Rekkles is upset that his main class isn't the only class he has to learn, which I think is fine. At the end of the day, a job may ask you to learn a new skill or take on a new responsibility. If that's the case, maybe Rekkles is just destined to be a pocket sub who they pull out when they need an adc.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T19:38:13.878+0000) > > "Hey, dude, we love your burgers but we're gonna need for you to learn how to make hot dogs and corn dogs too." Sorry, but this doesn't work. Your analogy is like telling the Orianna one trick _"Hey, Viktor is meta now, please learn him"_ What happened here is like having that restaurant and Riot saying _"Yeah, you make burgers but now I want you to gonna make world class hand made pasta"_ There's no "bonus points" because people soon realize the pasta is just so much better that ordering a "Lucian Burger" because the pasta the restaurant serves now is just that good, and people eventually just stop ordering burgers because they realize it's just a waste of money. Not only that, but the owner of the restaurant demands that the burger makers learn to do that world class hand made pasta that the new hired chef is making by tomorrow. Your argument following is also pretty poor. It seems to me that you don't understand how much of a niche the ADC role truly is. You are attempting to compare changing from a fighter (Aatrox) to another fighter (New Aatrox) to going from Cait to Swain and Vladimir. The role the character has in the game is very different. Who do you think will have more chances of success? The Vlad main who used to play him Mid and Top and now can play him Bot, or the Lucian player who hasn't touched Vlad in his life? Oh yeah, DoubleLift... maybe I should post that VoD of a couple weeks ago. Then when he's on his Lucian, he also loses to Kobbe's Heimer, a player notorious for under performing in the EU LCS right now, yet the marksmen characters have become so worthless, that just picking a mage rises your chances of winning, even if you're going against a very experienced Lucian player. Your Aprho example is just plain weird. Everyone can tell you that Aphro is not a top mechanical player, and that his most valuable contributions come in the form of shot calling, keeping the team cool in a pressure situation, and being a voice of experience among his fellow players. The ADC role on the other hand is one of the most demanding mechanically, particularly in pro play, and their responsibilities in game are way different from those of a Support... and a Mid Laner, and a Jungler, and a Top Laner. You need to be Faker or UZI to ignore the meta and just do your thing because how insanely good you truly are. > If that's the case, maybe Rekkles is just destined to be a pocket sub who they pull out when they need an adc I'm sorry, but that's just plain disrespectful to a man who has dedicated so many years of his life to the refinement and perfection of what he was hired to do. "Oh... well, we know you're super dedicated and passionate and have spent years learning the intricacies of this particular role and set of character but we want _diversity_ in Bot so f- -k you" Also, while the diversity of the bot lane in regular play **is in fact a reality**, in pro play (the topic here) there's no such thing as Bot lane diversity. Instead of Trist, Cait Xayah every game, it's Yasuo, Swain and Vlad every game. The only difference is that Riot put people's jobs at stake by forcing such a sudden change. True diversity would be if all the Spring carries were still viable while also having Yasuo, Swain and Vlad be as good too. That would be true diversity. What we have right now is not.
: > [{quoted}](name=FNC Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r10TEBNU,comment-id=0003000000010001,timestamp=2018-07-10T07:00:56.782+0000) > > DoubleLift? You mean the guy that lost to Kobbe on Heimerdinger? Yeah, great strat by the No. 1 Team and ADC in NA Got anything to say about UZI and RNG. You know the MSI winners that just got finished curb stomping SKT and the rest of LCK at rift rivals. Yeah didn't think so bud.
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r10TEBNU,comment-id=00030000000100010000,timestamp=2018-07-10T13:22:49.390+0000) > > Got anything to say about UZI and RNG. You know the MSI winners that just got finished curb stomping SKT and the rest of LCK at rift rivals. > > Yeah didn't think so bud. Wait, are you under the delusion that UZI is the norm and not the exception? Cause that would be very disrespectful to the best ADC in history, trying to say that everyone else is just the same as him.
: > [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T02:35:27.347+0000) > > The difference there is that it would significantly hurt champions like Akali. In his case, ADCs aren't all garbage all of a sudden. Now there are just situations where picking non ADCs is more optimal. It doesn't mean that ADCs as a whole are complete ass it just means they aren't completely busted and mandatory like they were a few patches ago. Cait is pretty bad right now so his comments on that are fine, but he seems to be complaining about the whole class being bad when that just isn't true. He has plenty of other champions that he can play instead of Cait. The other thing is ADC players never suffered the class-woes anyone else did. Part of why Faker is widely regarded as a fantastic (if not the best) player is that he has shined on a variety of champions. Tanks like Galio, Bruisers like (pre-rework) Irelia, Skrimishing carries like Yasuo, mages like Orianna and of course assassins like Zed. While yes, you do need to play adcs differently depending on who you play, you've never had adcs picking radically different playstyles like Galio-to-Zed. Now ADCs suddenly have to learn to play Mordekaiser, Vlad, Heimerdinger, Darius, Yasuo, etc but have little-to-no professional experience on these champs. To that end I can understand being mad. That said, this should be a time for ADCs to learn. Riot likes this idea and I doubt the days of "ADC bot only" are going to come back anytime soon. (Unless ADC mains try to pull the "lul adc 2017" again.)
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T05:13:14.069+0000) > > The other thing is ADC players never suffered the class-woes anyone else did. > > Part of why Faker is widely regarded as a fantastic (if not the best) player is that he has shined on a variety of champions. Tanks like Galio, Bruisers like (pre-rework) Irelia, Skrimishing carries like Yasuo, mages like Orianna and of course assassins like Zed. While yes, you do need to play adcs differently depending on who you play, you've never had adcs picking radically different playstyles like Galio-to-Zed. Now ADCs suddenly have to learn to play Mordekaiser, Vlad, Heimerdinger, Darius, Yasuo, etc but have little-to-no professional experience on these champs. To that end I can understand being mad. > > That said, this should be a time for ADCs to learn. Riot likes this idea and I doubt the days of "ADC bot only" are going to come back anytime soon. (Unless ADC mains try to pull the "lul adc 2017" again.) It's very easy to say all those things when it's not your job what's on the line. I don't know what your job is friend, but let's just say you're hired to design 2D logos for a company. Then, out of the blue your boss tells you _"Well, starting tomorrow all our logos will be animated and they need to be top quality. I know you studied graphic design and not animation but I don't care. Either you do it or I'll just get someone else"_ Is that what you signed for? Does that seem fair to you? We're not talking about some random raging guy on the boards. We're talking about someone's job being at stake here. Your Faker argument just feels out of place. You know very well that Faker isn't the norm for professional players. He's an exception, and you can't use those for attempting to set a standard.
: I heard a lot of crying and him being a terrible person. Sure things aren't working out for you, but trash talking really worth it?
> [{quoted}](name=StonePlatypus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-07-10T06:12:34.376+0000) > > I heard a lot of crying and him being a terrible person. > > Sure things aren't working out for you, but trash talking really worth it? You remind me of that guy Parth destroyed on Travis' show. I'd like to see you say that to Rekkles' face and see how you do after doing so. But of course, you're just behind your keyboard and screen.
: > [{quoted}](name=i int irI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r10TEBNU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-10T00:59:40.787+0000) > > Watch the interview. He specifically says that in ADC current state, basically they can be equal in skill with their champ but because ADC's were so nerfed the Mage/Bruiser would automatically win. Meanwhile ever in reality marksman are in 90% of the team comps. Hell pro teams draft double Marksman with Kindred or Graves more often they the go without one. Uzi has been dumpstering literally everyone playing only ADCs. Doublelift has been playing only ADCs and has had career best marks for KDA and DPM. It's all mental. Marksman are still strong in solo Que and still dominate in organized team play.
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r10TEBNU,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2018-07-10T01:16:01.867+0000) > > Meanwhile ever in reality marksman are in 90% of the team comps. Hell pro teams draft double Marksman with Kindred or Graves more often they the go without one. Uzi has been dumpstering literally everyone playing only ADCs. Doublelift has been playing only ADCs and has had career best marks for KDA and DPM. > > It's all mental. Marksman are still strong in solo Que and still dominate in organized team play. DoubleLift? You mean the guy that lost to Kobbe on Heimerdinger? Yeah, great strat by the No. 1 Team and ADC in NA
Fízz v2 (EUW)
: Idk why those champs are still spammed in lcs then tho, especially the first 5. Do you have a link to where he says that?
> [{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r10TEBNU,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-07-10T01:09:53.279+0000) > > Idk why those champs are still spammed in lcs then tho, especially the first 5. Do you have a link to where he says that? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/Mfdguomv-rift-rivals-is-a-joke-guess-im-out-of-a-job-its-fun-but-they-screwed-up-rekkles There's my topic, there's the timestamps. All those ADC are bad compared to what a Mage/Bruiser can do. Also, what you say isn't really true. The champions are spammed in **NA** LCS, but not in Europe. Splyce, one of the most mediocre Summer teams just wiped DoubleLift's Team Liquid playing Heimer with DL on Lucian.
: It sounds like he's just complaining about ADCs being mandatory only 80% of the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-07-09T19:36:37.542+0000) > > It sounds like he's just complaining about ADCs being mandatory only 80% of the time. Are you suggesting a professional player's opinion is the same as a boards Gameplay post? Cause that would be really weird.
: When does he say that
> [{quoted}](name=IAintDarius,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-09T18:48:33.996+0000) > > When does he say that Got the timestamps added to the main post!
: When does he say that
> [{quoted}](name=IAintDarius,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Mfdguomv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-09T18:48:33.996+0000) > > When does he say that Good call. It's a long video. Give me a couple mins and I'll edit the post with a couple timestamps.
Rioter Comments
: Can you guys stop giving AD all the good stuff?
_"I'll accuse Rito of being bias by being bias"_ {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
F1SHEYES (NA)
: Why is Riot adding more true damage?
Because Tanks are busted, and they're too afraid of nerfing them meaningfully so they just add more damage, like that's gonna solve the problem.
Venomar (NA)
: Hate all you want, but the game has been directed toward MM/Support for 5-6 years. Opening up bot lane is just not a realistic goal or an achievable one. It would require an entirely community shift of some 60 million people, pro adaptation and trickle down, beyond extensive balance changes in the form of items, scalings, economics, power curves and budgets on mellee/mage champions, etc. Furthermore, for them to even start the shift. There would have to be a direct and targeted approach on "trial champions" that would require entire kit reworks and or completely new designs. You would have to make something to compete with ADCs range and damages directly. For the 5% who want Darius bot,do you think the other 95% are gonna be cool with riot just fucking his shit up one day and shoving him into a new lane? Probably not. And at that, do you expect riot to even come close to getting it right? Hell no. So basically. Give it up and try to enjoy the state of the game as it is. Bit lane being opened up has as much of a likely hood of happened as From Soft adding rainbow guns to Darksouls. Just not gonna happen, sorry.
Game has been dictated by Tanks ever since the release of Cinderhulk. It's not about MM/Support, but to see who gets tankier faster. Tank items are cheap and effective. This is so much of a problem that Riot had to overtune a class that could deal with these walls of CC/HP/Resistances/Ambient Free damage by standing around. ADC being strong is just a symptom of the problem: Tanks have been busted for years now, except nobody cares or just is in denial about it.
Elohaven (NA)
: We've seen it with Swain; We've seen it with Kai'Sa
Yeah it was {{champion:516}} only Kai'Sa and Swain {{champion:39}}
: Mages getting nerfed meanwhile all i play against mid is....
You know why nobody plays assassins in LCS?? **Because Tanks are so busted that playing Assassins is a waste of time** When are you people gonna finally realize that the root of this horrible meta is the Tanks.
: The true reason behind the tank meta/ how to get rid of it
> I think it's pretty obvious that our community has had an issue with tanks for quite awhile Excuse me but **WHAT**??? The only person that has an open war on these boards against tanks is me. I've never seen anyone else get vocal about how busted they are, to the point where playing anything else Top in LCS can be considered trolling, and I'm not even covering Sej/Zac/Skarner being the only 3 Junglers that can really be played (thank god for at least Olaf). Yet the boards just love victimize them to (SURPRISE) complain about the ADC and make them the villain cause that has never been done before on these boards before. There's many ways and classes that can kill an ADC (unless they have a Janna but everyone knows Janna and shields are quite BS right now) yet there's only **ONE WAY** to kill and deal with a Tank. **You got the whole issue entirely upside down. It's the Tanks that ruin the game, requiring a class to be busted only to be able deal with them.**
: As a jungler and support, its an ADC "meta"
But it is just circlejerk. Your post only confirms the position further. Try playing 25 - 50 ADC Ranked games and see if your bias ideas even hold any ground.
333 (EUNE)
: @RiotReperoir You should wait with the Ninja Tabi nerf and hit them same time when ADC gets changed
**_"Oh NO!! Poor tanks are so weak please buff them they're struggling so bad it's not like every LCS game has so many Tanks every single game and whichever team has the more/stronger tanks just win in solo queue please don't nerf this poor class that is super weak and has such a hard time"_** And of course the boards just Updates to #1
KazKaz (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=FNC Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxGaQ7F8,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2018-03-13T21:21:37.449+0000) > > Can we **PLEASE STOP PRETENDING POOR TANKS ARE VERY WEAK AND UNDER POWERED AND EASY TO KILL??** > > Why do these threads where people pretend Tanks are weak get so many up votes? Why are so many people under the **_DELUSLION_** that Tanks are somehow weak? > > Do you guys even know the state of Top Lane? Do you watch **ANY** of the competitive Leagues and how **EVERY GAME** fills with tanks? Do you even realize why ADC characters need to be toxic? > > **BECAUSE THEIR TOXIC STATE IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN DEAL WITH TANKS IN THE GAME** > > Please stop victimizing Tanks as if they were weak or anything but overpowered. Ever since the release of Cinderhulk the game is just seeing who's the tankiest and who has the most broken ADC to deal with that tankiness. And the root of the problem is Tanks. if you're not gonna accept that, at the very least stop victimizing the class if they were in desperate need for a buff to their resistances or god forbid, deal more damage by standing around. > > Also, to the OP of this BS thread: **Post video or non of this happened** I'd rather a tank meta than an ADC meta >:(
Do you really? Cause we've been in a Tank meta ever since the release of Cinderhulk, with a very small break when OP Fiora and GP were up around the 2015 World Championship. Other than that **IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A TANK META**. This _ADC Meta_ myth stems from what I just explained. The only way to deal with a 6K HP Cho, is a Vayne or a Twitch. You wouldn't need them to be that strong if tanks weren't so busted. Sometimes the Tank Meta has become so bad that non-tank champions just buy Tank items. Remember Tank Ekko and Tank Fizz? Yi, Yasuo and Akali. Then there was the Mao'Kai and Poppy age. It's **always** a Tank meta and the real root of the damage creep issue, and everybody just sweeps it under the rug and pretend it's normal. So no, I don't think you want more years of Tanks.
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