Krayzie (EUNE)
: Yasuo mains this season be like
Placing Mastery 4 Challenger Yasuo main into Iron 4 to rekt some NOOBS. NOT CLICKBAIT
: How I Know I'm Having a Pointless Discussion
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: Awaken shows we need Draven's Ponytail removed for his canon Classic skin.
: EZREAL REWORK COMPLAINTS
Reminder that Ezreal taunt is bugged and that no SFX happens when you do it.
: To an extent you are correct, but in particular Akali is underpowered right now and even good players don't feel the rewards they should. I'm not saying Akali is healthy or balanced, because I think the thing that most people neglect to point out is that her sustain is insanely high. If she doesn't get bursted then she wins because she out heals while being untargetable for most of the duration. Yes the sustain is apart of the true stealth, but the sustain is what should be reduced because that is what isn't unique and what shouldn't be a part of an assassins identity. Now I do not have the statistics that Riot has, but I believe Riot Blastoiuse has had discussions with Hashishin and posted stats showing certain champion mastery curves and champions like Riven show it the best where her low playrate players have around a 38% win rate or something and her mains are close to 60% I believe. I believe he also posted one on Akali and the defense was less and the mains had less of a peak. I would love to see where they are now because based off of my knowledge in my games and streamers games I would predict that Akali mains are closer to a 50% winrate maybe 51% which for a champion where mastering takes alot of practice I believe that number should be a little bit higher.
> [{quoted}](name=Anìmê,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hsufXJsE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-01-20T18:59:33.317+0000) > > To an extent you are correct, but in particular Akali is underpowered right now and even good players don't feel the rewards they should. I'm not saying Akali is healthy or balanced, because I think the thing that most people neglect to point out is that her sustain is insanely high. If she doesn't get bursted then she wins because she out heals while being untargetable for most of the duration. Yes the sustain is apart of the true stealth, but the sustain is what should be reduced because that is what isn't unique and what shouldn't be a part of an assassins identity. > > Now I do not have the statistics that Riot has, but I believe Riot Blastoiuse has had discussions with Hashishin and posted stats showing certain champion mastery curves and champions like Riven show it the best where her low playrate players have around a 38% win rate or something and her mains are close to 60% I believe. I believe he also posted one on Akali and the defense was less and the mains had less of a peak. I would love to see where they are now because based off of my knowledge in my games and streamers games I would predict that Akali mains are closer to a 50% winrate maybe 51% which for a champion where mastering takes alot of practice I believe that number should be a little bit higher. Akali is underpowered because so much of her budget was put into true stealth that she can get counterpicked through AOE damagers. If good players in high elo can use Akali's true stealth well, AOE damagers can land their skillshots. Akali only has so many dashes before she runs out of juice, which is part of the reason most of the akali mains want her true stealth removed at this point, because it takes up so much of her power budget that Riot gutted low elo play, and the recent nerf to her restealth time means that in high elo she's easily counterplayed as well, so she's not really good for much anymore.
Jchum (NA)
: I posted this on r/ireliamains about an hour ago, I thought it would be funny to post it here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:05:57.955+0000) > > At this point, it's kind of old news and most people have moved on I think. > Riot isn't going to do anything. They didn't even so much as make a response after Garena reverted all the capsules, showing it was entirely possible to do. garena is not the same as other servers. it is run differently and probably has completely different infrastructure. They also run a very profit-driven ship over there and the money lost from the capsules is a BIG DEAL to them. Riot doesn't really care about the monetary loss that much. barely anyone is actually angry about the capsules. It's like, 300 people tops who *really* care that much. The rest are indifferent but slightly against riot's decisions. you're not going to get anywhere by "fighting for rights." you're just going to get laughed at.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-19T01:12:45.220+0000) > > garena is not the same as other servers. it is run differently and probably has completely different infrastructure. They also run a very profit-driven ship over there and the money lost from the capsules is a BIG DEAL to them. Riot doesn't really care about the monetary loss that much. > > barely anyone is actually angry about the capsules. It's like, 300 people tops who *really* care that much. The rest are indifferent but slightly against riot's decisions. > > you're not going to get anywhere by "fighting for rights." you're just going to get laughed at. Riot literally lives off of money sucking right now. Prestige Firecracker Vayne explodes into action!
: Learn More: Spring Split Watch Missions
I didn't get any rewards even though I watched the 2nd game between Fnatic and someone else i just wasted my time
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Zed genius (EUNE)
: ??
Lee sin, because you played Vayne and Ezreal ??? Sivir, because you played Vayne and Ezreal makes sense Draven, because you played Vayne and Ezreal ok hol up something's wrong I def played more than 2 champs this season I also hardly play Ezreal compared to champs like Lux
: I wouldn't have let you klepto Vayne either. Feed on your own time, kids. Normals exist for a reason.
> [{quoted}](name=Incognonymous,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OAAhXsVk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-15T03:22:05.937+0000) > > I wouldn't have let you klepto Vayne either. Feed on your own time, kids. Normals exist for a reason. It was against renekton, which means I can safely proc Klepto and get over 500 gold for free while safely pressuring renekton. It works like this: AA, Q before the AA lands for a free AA proc, then AA again for 2 procs in the span of 1 Q. Go onto OP.GG it has over a 51% winrate it's a legitimate strategy, especially with the buff to her R, making her able to 1v2 when jungler ganks come
Mc Raton (NA)
: I don't like Irelia as she is strong but is the change a bit too drastic?
So they remove what made her unique and slapped a bunch of damage on and called it a day what the fuck Now Irelia's only viable build is going to be single target assassin, and that's the play style she'll be used as, rather than teamfight captain. Why don't you nerf her targeted damage on individual targets to give people a fighting chance in skirmishes while retaining her identity as a dasher?
: Well, healers and shielders should be included together as those which have been phased out most of last season. I should also note that self-heals seem to have not been nerfed - which is probably skewing a lot of the data which Riot is working with. (I've seen games where I have played a Soraka - turned out a huge amount of healing, only to see that the self-healers are doing more than the champs that are designed to heal others.
> [{quoted}](name=BlueBilberry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aMBbXtFo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-14T06:47:10.591+0000) > > Well, healers and shielders should be included together as those which have been phased out most of last season. I should also note that self-heals seem to have not been nerfed - which is probably skewing a lot of the data which Riot is working with. (I've seen games where I have played a Soraka - turned out a huge amount of healing, only to see that the self-healers are doing more than the champs that are designed to heal others. Sylas
Rioter Comments
: Which Skin line will Ahri invade next? [Poll]
Pool party is definitely going to show up sooner or later. I could see her using a beach themed charm in her splash tbh
: mb lol {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=TTV Rachelqcake,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=cNA7j3GF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T02:01:27.804+0000) > > mb lol {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} lol it was just funny i've made that mistake myself too
KlanBoss (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=FailureOfAPerson,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BzR5p9oW,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-12T23:04:02.904+0000) > > This is a little different. Riot is fishing for active whales. and other online games owned by other companies also do it and have been doing it far before riot started doing it, so what?
> [{quoted}](name=KlanBoss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BzR5p9oW,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-12T23:05:24.293+0000) > > and other online games owned by other companies also do it and have been doing it far before riot started doing it, so what? I thought they tried to weave in money purchases into everything, like making playable content locked behind lootboxes, rather than having a massive prize for spending x dollars.
O Teu Pai (EUW)
: Border/rank Bug
The literal exact same thing happened to me! Gold V, got to Gold IV after rank changes but now my boarder is missing. I thought i was the only one.
Jenivie (NA)
: Masteries
Masteries were sort of intended as a BE sink for those who already had all the champions, so I think you're out of luck on this one. That being said, they do cost too much imo.
: What can you get out of the NEW $50 Bloodmoon Capsule Bundle? - League Of Legends
SKT syndra "How much is that skin worth?" it literally says it's an epic skin shard
: CONCEPT SKIN POOL PARTY ILLAOI
I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going
: > [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=EH8E7fgm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-12T13:45:08.858+0000) > > Is it when you have to first buy their video game and the items you bought were pay to win compared to the free game where the items you buy are only cosmetic? Pulse fire tf is pay to win, can never see his r. Don’t @ me
> [{quoted}](name=CrazFight ,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=EH8E7fgm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-12T13:46:10.136+0000) > > Pulse fire tf is pay to win, can never see his r. Don’t @ me Steel legion lux's Q and Elementalist lux's E
KlanBoss (EUW)
: welcome to online games in recent times
> [{quoted}](name=KlanBoss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BzR5p9oW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-12T22:23:32.337+0000) > > welcome to online games in recent times This is a little different. Riot is fishing for active whales.
: god riot. everyone just stop. Stop spending money. You can play the game, but omfg stop spending money on this corrupt company
> [{quoted}](name=Snarf of thunder,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BzR5p9oW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-12T21:31:27.784+0000) > > god riot. everyone just stop. Stop spending money. You can play the game, but omfg stop spending money on this corrupt company I already did.
: Riot listens to the bigger community like LCS Pro play. Forums and pbe forums and whatever league forum seems to miss riots attention every patch. Its mostly for reporting bugs, not balance. They have a special team they pay to test out the new stuff and give feedback on it. PBE is just for bugs as well, even though we were told that they would accept and reply to all feedback regarding new skins, champions, items and more. See any riot replies in there?
> [{quoted}](name=Ferrinova,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VL9vc34y,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-12T01:42:36.143+0000) > > Riot listens to the bigger community like LCS Pro play. Forums and pbe forums and whatever league forum seems to miss riots attention every patch. Its mostly for reporting bugs, not balance. They have a special team they pay to test out the new stuff and give feedback on it. > > PBE is just for bugs as well, even though we were told that they would accept and reply to all feedback regarding new skins, champions, items and more. See any riot replies in there? lmao even reddit is turning onto league. have you SEEN the mistrust that riot's last few mistakes have caused? the top post right now is about the psychological manipulation of prestige aatrox
KlanBoss (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=KlanBoss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gvFHcscP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-12T21:29:05.684+0000) > > why should EVERYONE get compensated? i understand the people who bought capsules getting compensated but why everyone? The people who didn't take advantage of this system. The people who have spent money on this game over the years to amass a skin collection, and then seeing people getting the entire game's stock in the blink of an eye for free. I've spent over 300 dollars on this game at least, and it makes me so mad that there are people who abused a bug and broke the terms of service that aren't being punished for it.
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: there shouldn't be a second choice for Blitz. you want lane go lane. you want jungle go jungle. you don't care pick fill. I've had lane and fill and the game said "fuck you you get jungle" like, what is even the point of picking two when there is only two to begin with?
> [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bEuuzbee,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-11T19:23:10.154+0000) > > there shouldn't be a second choice for Blitz. you want lane go lane. you want jungle go jungle. you don't care pick fill. I've had lane and fill and the game said "fuck you you get jungle" like, what is even the point of picking two when there is only two to begin with? It was a joke. I picked lane as my first pick and got jungle instead.
: There is a reason that the second role exists in nexus blitz
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Infernape (EUW)
: Galio is made of Petricite... He's a walking fucking nuke.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pJv0lNlA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-11T12:16:52.151+0000) > > Galio is made of Petricite... He's a walking fucking nuke. So THAT'S why his Q does so much damage now
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: Her passive is utter garbage and inferior version of Garen's W passive. 40 armor and magic ressidt, for killing minions and champions. More stats, for less work. That's stupid.
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BqEyAALA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-11T15:29:22.353+0000) > > Her passive is utter garbage and inferior version of Garen's W passive. > 40 armor and magic ressidt, for killing minions and champions. > More stats, for less work. > That's stupid. And a 10% -> 20% damage increase towards dragons which makes her objective game stronk
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=FailureOfAPerson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZIbbdrz4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-11T00:42:16.700+0000) > > I have been feeling that, and I feel like it's more fun, except for when I get paired against a Vayne. I say this as a Vayne main that is currently playing other positions. I might go back to adc if this is the future of marksman. Vayne is meant to be the anti tank marksman though. If you're a "main" you should know this.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZIbbdrz4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-11T11:38:43.735+0000) > > Vayne is meant to be the anti tank marksman though. > > If you're a "main" you should know this. Vayne is an adc marksman that does well against tanks but also double functions as a duelist/assassin because her passive still deals massive amounts of damage :/
: Shyvana Buff is Lazy and Doesn't Sovle Any of Her Problems
However, luckily they're planning to add an extra 10% damage to dragon dealing damage, so they are looking at ways to increase the impact of Shyvana's passive. That is the part that WILL influence how people play Shyvana. From "We can't take this Dragon" to "We can take this dragon".
: Shyvana Buff is Lazy and Doesn't Sovle Any of Her Problems
I agree completely. It's almost like Wukong's passive in a sense. "Here's a flat amount of Armor/Magic resist for this conditional that has realistically no impact on how you play this champion." Edit: No Shyvana is going to say "Let's do this dragon because I need 4 more Armor and MR." They're going to take dragon because they need dragon. Same for Wukong. No Wukong is going to say "I am going in 1v5 because of the additional 20-30 resistances I get." They're going to go in for a team wide knockup, and stealth out.
l MrD l (NA)
: Did something happen this patch?
I have been feeling that, and I feel like it's more fun, except for when I get paired against a Vayne. I say this as a Vayne main that is currently playing other positions. I might go back to adc if this is the future of marksman.
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: > [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E4G357qx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-10T22:35:43.656+0000) > > The AoE only comes up when you're standing next to minions, and the AoE damage is less than a direct hit. If you put minions between you and Zoe's skillshots, she can't hit you with anything. > > Zoe's Q does as much damage as it does because it's one of two abilities of hers that deal damage. Other champs have a third ability and an ultimate for dealing damage, so that damage budget has to be squeezed into two abilities and her empowered autos. > > Nerfing her Q damage nerfs her combo, her poke, her waveclear, and her teamfight power. It is the core of her kit. She doesn't need such a strong nerf when her pickrates and winrates are already low. The other point I was making is that it's non-interactive gameplay. If her primary method of play is "fire high damage skillshots until one hits", it's less about what the opponent can do BECAUSE it's all loaded into a single skill. It's a fault of her design and it's what makes Q nerfs so much more impactful against her. The only way to eliminate that weakness within her design is to completely rework her. But unfortunately, she's far too new to be anywhere near the list for that.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E4G357qx,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T22:49:41.616+0000) > > The other point I was making is that it's non-interactive gameplay. If her primary method of play is "fire high damage skillshots until one hits", it's less about what the opponent can do BECAUSE it's all loaded into a single skill. > > It's a fault of her design and it's what makes Q nerfs so much more impactful against her. The only way to eliminate that weakness within her design is to completely rework her. But unfortunately, she's far too new to be anywhere near the list for that. So is Vayne being permastealthed while ulted but you know
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HarleeW (NA)
: Saw a video this morning showing Silas taking Nid ult and having access to cougar basic abilities, as well as Udyr's ult and just getting the phoenix aoe. Others included Jayce ult and Shyvanna. I imagine he can take any but will be super weak without the original owner's stats. I.E twitch ult without any on hit effects or damage
Imagine if the attack range increased by 300 and became an aoe projectile LMAO
Luminier (NA)
: Nah, I just checked. It's only fixed for Blood Moon Aatrox, for some reason. Wtf?
> [{quoted}](name=Luminier,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mMUefayi,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T22:59:38.344+0000) > > Nah, I just checked. It's only fixed for Blood Moon Aatrox, for some reason. Wtf? pResTiGe skInS
GreenLore (EUW)
: The lore of Sylas mentions that there are some people who have magial powers even if they don't admit it and are actively against mages and I'm certain that Garen might be one of these cases,with his R being his own magical power that he denies himself(though you could explain his Q and W this way).
> [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ngABTpyi,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T16:51:46.197+0000) > > The lore of Sylas mentions that there are some people who have magial powers even if they don't admit it and are actively against mages and I'm certain that Garen might be one of these cases,with his R being his own magical power that he denies himself(though you could explain his Q and W this way). So THAT'S how he spins for so long without getting dizzy.
Lhuhz (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Lhuhz,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dayGd9lV,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-09T12:44:42.169+0000) > > https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/738/025/db0.jpg *Next you'll say that you were only Pretending to be r%%%%%ed*
: buff rek sai
watch it be a +5 ms buff or a +3 ad buff
: > [{quoted}](name=FailureOfAPerson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZdJcwKR7,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-01-04T17:19:34.652+0000) > > But at the same time, they can't use ANYTHING during that entire duration other than autoattacks during the taunt, and only directed at Galio. They can't use anything, but Galio also used 75% of his abilities. I should hope that a tank has decent lockdown if they landed all of their CC.
> [{quoted}](name=Lunaranul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZdJcwKR7,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-04T17:21:06.151+0000) > > They can't use anything, but Galio also used 75% of his abilities. > > I should hope that a tank has decent lockdown if they landed all of their CC. He's not a tank. Look at his AP ratios.
Naalith (NA)
: Could Sylas from the recently released Demacian Heart story be the next champion?
Galiö (NA)
: As much as I agree with people Galio is a stat check monster right now his high burst Ratios, i don't agree with the CC thing. If you land an ult, a full W, and an E immediatly at the end of the full taunt, that's not even 3 seconds of CC maximized. That's less than one morg bind and she still has an ult.
> [{quoted}](name=Galiö,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZdJcwKR7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-01-04T12:43:27.449+0000) > > As much as I agree with people Galio is a stat check monster right now his high burst Ratios, i don't agree with the CC thing. > > If you land an ult, a full W, and an E immediatly at the end of the full taunt, that's not even 3 seconds of CC maximized. > > That's less than one morg bind and she still has an ult. But at the same time, they can't use ANYTHING during that entire duration other than autoattacks during the taunt, and only directed at Galio.
: > [{quoted}](name=nonstart,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2lOpt8s4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T12:14:25.066+0000) > > True I don’t like crit as an adc main I wish the champs were more ability based rather then rng so it would take skill to play and be good at but everytime I try and bring it up or talk about it people are just like f*** adcs they should be weak. how do you want to make adc strong without making them overpowered? the way theyre carrying games when theyre carrying doesnt leave room for counterplay. there is no way to play around a marksman just pressing a button for 100% bonus attack speed and then just autoing you from a distance. the class is balanced around the duality of burst (mages, assassins) vs. marksmen. either they get to their gameplay fantasy of being champions that deal high, reliable, ranged damage to carry teams, or they blow up before they can move. neither option is fun. marksmen dont have fun when they instantly die in fights without being able to contribute. no one else is having fun when he gets shredded by ranged carries before he can act or get into a position to fight back. how do you propose to help the class without just straight up buffing them? i think marksmen either need kit reworks to be balanced around mechanics that both they and their opponents can play around, like melee carries have these same mechanics, or they need to put counterplay into marksmen itemization so it can be good without being broken.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2lOpt8s4,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T13:30:30.808+0000) > > how do you want to make adc strong without making them overpowered? > > the way theyre carrying games when theyre carrying doesnt leave room for counterplay. there is no way to play around a marksman just pressing a button for 100% bonus attack speed and then just autoing you from a distance. > > the class is balanced around the duality of burst (mages, assassins) vs. marksmen. either they get to their gameplay fantasy of being champions that deal high, reliable, ranged damage to carry teams, or they blow up before they can move. > > neither option is fun. marksmen dont have fun when they instantly die in fights without being able to contribute. no one else is having fun when he gets shredded by ranged carries before he can act or get into a position to fight back. > > how do you propose to help the class without just straight up buffing them? > > i think marksmen either need kit reworks to be balanced around mechanics that both they and their opponents can play around, like melee carries have these same mechanics, or they need to put counterplay into marksmen itemization so it can be good without being broken. So just forget Tanks and Fighters amirite
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