Kei143 (NA)
: ~~So ... where's the flame?~~ I see you uploaded those images. Rioters aren't required to be saints. But if they are found to be consistently toxic on their Rioter account, they can lose their jobs. Either way, this is one game of a tilted behavior. Any player (not just Rioters) will require a bunch more of similar games before they get punished.
Fanboi you man. πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚
Jo0o (NA)
: I’m heavily invested in knowing how that plays out.
Nothing will happen. It's Christmas. The rioters account probably don't have enough history to even get a flag, as for OP, probably will get a ban soon. May or may not be related to this. Bad investment bud. πŸ˜œπŸ˜œπŸ˜‚
: @periscope I'm sure you won't mind that I've forwarded this story, your name and response to several media outlets. Your company does so seem to love screaming about the media being out to get you. I'm sure riot will be contacted for an official comment soon!
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Unfortunately they are going to simply respond the following: "he is a Damn volunteer." πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ Do you get it now?
: Flamed By Riot Employee
It's so funny, it's like a chef Calling their own creation disgusting. LOL{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Also report both for flaming, negative attitude and inting. Sounds legit.
: Whether or not you want to agree with the term, it's basic math. Behavior A causes behavior B. If you remove Behavior A, you will remove behavior B. If you only remove behavior B, then behavior A will remain. It's simple math/sociology.
So everytime someone gives me the finger I pull out my gun and shoot them in the face. They die and I ruined my life. Effectively removing A and B. I can get behind that. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Chat Restrictions, Toxic Behavior, and Penalties: Why They Confuse Me
how's your wife? My fiancee left me because I played too much league. Now I troll behaviour board to show her that I am a better person! the rest is tl dr. So I'm just going to answer your title: Chat Restriction: when you say a lot of shit that people don't like to hear for whatever reason and got reported, enough reports form a pattern and the chatbot warns you by stopping you from chatting excessively for a few games. Toxic behaviour: My fiancee was toxic asf, anything with her turns into shit. with her, a sunny day feels gloomy, and overall just not a person that I want to spend time with. She legit comes up with witty quips that make me go flat during intercourse, it was unbearable so she left me. I personally think toxic behaviour rooted from negativity. Any behaviour that doesn't make you feel positive and instead makes you feel like shit. They can all be blanket under toxic behaviour. There are so many of these people around. Penalties: Shit out of luck.
: > [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y1QZy06x,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-03T16:13:19.705+0000) > > Removed the trolls from the picture and what is left of toxic behaviour is just that. Toxic. Don't pretend for a second that if people stopped trolling toxicity will stop. Haha, I can't even take this post seriously.... There are two forms of toxicity. 1) is the original troll that is making games un-enjoyable. 2) the victims that just can't take it anymore, and try fighting fire with fire. Remove the original trolls, and remove both forms of toxicity. It's as simple as that.
Yeah yeah, I get it, everyone thinks they are the victim. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Vreivai (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7BZEGEBH,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-12-03T21:30:13.337+0000) > How many times have we had people trying to bend the usage of KYS, or bluntly lie about their lies, my favourite will have to be the challenger case where two people tried to bend everyone's ears only to be found guilty of something else. Oh that certainly happens. But there's no reason you can't have both exist.
I agree with you, and I acknowledge that they do exist, however, the ratio is so small that I'm willing to forego the benefit of the doubt on this board. All liars.
Vreivai (NA)
: You sure you responded to the right post? I didn't mention anything about the system being based solely on reports. My post that you responded to was talking about how there's not really a codified standard of behavior anywhere for League of Legends beyond the vague and arbitrarily enforced Summoner's Code.
I read your posts and have a general idea of what you believe and where you come from, just taking the opportunity to address it all at once.
Zardo (NA)
: I genuinely don't get people like this
Nothing much you can do but to ignore them. I believe their primary directive is to agitate, annoy, and provoke for a reaction. As to why they do that my guess is as good as yours. You can try baiting them into a ban but, I don't advice so. These are a lot of times players who have a strong resentment towards the system, either they are already on chat restriction or been banned recently, they know how to not get banned so baiting them is usually futile. The best course of action is just ignoring them and treat them like air. They'll stop once they run out of steam, or patience.
Vreivai (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7BZEGEBH,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-03T16:15:42.970+0000) > > Behaviour standards are written in the term of service agreement. Not Riot's fault when people can't read. Only in the most vague terms. And if everything in the Summoner's Code were enforced, we'd also have players getting banned for not doing the following: -Saying GG after every single game -Picking a champion you've never played if that champion would better fit in your team's comp -Adding a number of players to your friends list that you play games with regularly -Politely asking an abusive player to calm down (pretty sure the IFS would actually punish for this if you did it on a regular basis, as it would consider it passive-aggressive). -Providing unsolicited advice to a new or inexperienced player
You need to consider that the system is not based solely on reports. It analyzes a pattern and makes decisions base on that. In order for people to get banned, most of the time it is a pattern of behaviour. If I go out today and rant in a game that gets me 9 reports, I probably will not get chat restricted because I do not have a pattern of toxic behaviour. It has been made amply clear that most people that are banned have shown a continuous and uninterrupted toxic behaviour, and then they come here and say that they are innocent. Common.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7BZEGEBH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-03T15:41:59.748+0000) > > Most people know exactly why they were punished for. One of the questions that I ask a lot is: "would you attach your chat log to your future resume?" > > So far, not a single person say they would. They obviously know, they just don't want to admit the wrongs because they think that the veil of anonymity gives them an exception to be under par human being. > > Good Riddance. > Tbf there were cases where players got banned for saying words for which they at first didn't even knew they were ZT words. One example I remember is the guy who got 2 week ban for RP-ing as Cartman's superhero character (try to type his superhero name in the reply if you want and you'll see what I mean) , and majority of player commenting on that post didn't know that aswell. That's why, imo, even highlighting punishable lines in chatlogs could help.
I agree with you, but have people lost their ability for common sense? At what point is wishing to harm someone else acceptable, ever? Do people need a highlight for that? Really? I don't share a rose view as some people here, I see things for what it is, lies and unwillingness to admit fault. Pure and simple.
Vreivai (NA)
: I've actually seen quite a few people on this board who have no idea what they were punished for when they come here looking for answers.
I see the same people you talk about on here and I don't share your view. How many times have we had people trying to bend the usage of KYS, or bluntly lie about their lies, my favourite will have to be the challenger case where two people tried to bend everyone's ears only to be found guilty of something else. I believe there are misjudgements, but from most of the chat logs that I saw, they are what they are, filled with insults and intend to harm. To argue otherwise is preposterous.
: https://imgur.com/a/QQxqFCC
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Jo0o (NA)
: It’s a good story. Not sure how effective a League metaphor it is, if that’s your intention.
It's deep is what it is! DEEP!!! XD
Kei143 (NA)
: I signed up for rage chatlog stories!!! Not this docile bs.
[REMOVED BY MODERATION - ULANOPO] X'mas is near I'm out of steam. You keep on the good fights man.
Rioter Comments
: Knowing my luck
do you make this kind of jokes all the time? every game? if yes then luck has nothing to do with it, Probably left you a long time ago due to embarrassment through association. So if you did get banned, please don't blame innocent luck, it's all you man.
: Permabanned For Getting Mad at People Trolling, Inting, etc.
you care too much of what other's think of you is why you are miserable and banned. Can't give you any quick fixes or witty quips on this subject considering that societies are founded on caring for each other. All I'm going to say is that sometimes, especially in an online game is when you don't have to care about other people. At all, treat them like bots and your life will be better and your toxicity will go down, and maybe your blood pressure too. By bot I don't mean lashes out at their entire family, treat them like bots as in would you get angry when playing with bots? If you do, then SOL, you have much deeper issues. Maybe consult a psychiatrist at that point.
: > [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7BZEGEBH,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-03T16:15:42.970+0000) > > Okay, you are right, first chat restriction is a punishment. Why people still get punished after that, they still don't know? Yes. Why would someone be punished when they're not told why their chat is being restricted and aren't told of any further reasons why chat would be restricted? If you were told that you were punished because you told someone to stop sucking, there's no way in hell that you'd know you were next punished for saying "report them they told me to stop sucking".
What is your definition of inappropriate communication? Also, Riot has the same 0 tolerance word as most established societies. There is literally no ground for ignorance here. not at all. Would you tell a stranger at a bar to go F himself? No, you wouldn't because you might get beat up or thrown out. Would you walk up to a random person can call them a retard just because they behaved differently than you? NO, YOU WOULDN'T because he will call the cops on you for insult. Would you tell someone to commit physical harm to themselves in real life? No, you wouldn't because if they actually committed suicide you'd be accountable. Like common man, do you really need someone to tell you exactly what is and what is not appropriate? Do you need people to hold your hand to cross the street still?
: People aren't stupid and the system isn't smart. The first chat restriction IS A PUNISHMENT with no warning before-hand, and you are not told what it is you're specifically being punished for unless you ask Riot Support. Even then, they only tell you of your specific situation instead of everything that's punishable, meaning you won't know that the next situation is punishable when you're punished for it. You're further pointing out the flaw in the system rofl
Behaviour standards are written in the term of service agreement. Not Riot's fault when people can't read. Okay, you are right, first chat restriction is a punishment. Riot knows this, which is why the first punishment is very light. But it doesn't stop certain people from continuing to act inappropriately, until the eventual permaban. So what is their excuse for the second chat restriction? Still, don't know? How about the third one? how about the first suspension, the 2nd suspension. the permaban...Like wow, just wow. You agreed that people are not stupid, so what is the explanation then, they just don't care. Journey to permaban is a VERY LONG one. There is really 0 excuse most these offenders can stand on. The system is fine, if anything the system is so easy going that most of people have taken it for granted far too long.
: 2 hours in and I see this post has -2 rating. Funny, because the statement is absolutely true. Why is that? Simple... League has an AUTOMATED DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM! This laughable system picks up on commonly unacceptable words (via region), stats and item builds; so how does it pick up on passive aggressiveness? How does it pick up on the teammates who intentionally "make mistakes" as a way to feed/purposely lose. How about the 4 clan members telling one innocent bystander to be a team player, stop flaming etc; when that player has literally not said a single word the entire game? It allows trolls to troll, and punishes the victims. It's not all the system's fault. Perhaps if the majority of players were over the age of 15, or/(preferably "and") not ass hats, we could move in a positive direction.
Can we talk about trolls and toxic behaviours separately? It seems that a lot of people think that just because someone trolled (Their definition of trolling) gives them the right to insult, humiliate, and act like a scum of human being. Removed the trolls from the picture and what is left of toxic behaviour is just that. Toxic. Don't pretend for a second that if people stopped trolling toxicity will stop. Those two are separate issues and should be addressed separately. Which is something Riot is doing right. Every toxic flamer seems to come to these boards and use their troll friend's behaviour to justify their own. Really two sides of the same coin.
Arammus (EUW)
: i got a question about honors/reports
Firstly, an account that is toxic will not get honoured as much even when this person repeatedly single-handedly carry the team to victory. ( HA good luck) Secondly, the toxic account will not have enough time to climb honour ladder efficiently because it will be banned. However, in case, anyone wonders about the effect of the fake or inaccurate reports hindering their honour progression then the answer is that Riot does analyze player pattern, and it works very well. If you constantly get reports but the auto system couldn't pick anything up then a human will interfere. For the most part, bots currently do a very good job.
Qax (NA)
: just ignore me im just mad lol
> [{quoted}](name=Qax,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VHJtvQmQ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-03T13:10:29.939+0000) > > just ignore me im just mad lol why you mad bro!!!!!?? You didn't see this coming while you raged and insulted everyone that came to your path. Bro. you are just mad because you got caught. Good riddance.
Qax (NA)
: Permabanned Rant / Idea?
nah man you are not getting the account back. It is not yours, to begin with, read the TOS.
: > [{quoted}](name=Faneseeker,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7BZEGEBH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-03T15:41:59.748+0000) > > Most people know exactly why they were punished for. One of the questions that I ask a lot is: "would you attach your chat log to your future resume?" > > So far, not a single person say they would. They obviously know, they just don't want to admit the wrongs because they think that the veil of anonymity gives them an exception to be under par human being. > > Good Riddance. I would. And having seen what goes on at workplaces and how business owners support positive decisions made by their workers, such as calling out unfairness, doing their jobs, stopping trouble before trouble begins, I'm sure there are many others who would as well. Also, no. I do not believe most people know what they're being punished for. If they did, there wouldn't be a "report for feeding" every other game. Because saying "report for feeding" is punishable.
There are so many stages of warnings, soft punishments, hard punishments that riot gives out. It is just pure ignorance to say people don't know why they are banned. The first chat restriction makes is amply clear that the behaviour is not acceptable. What part of that do people not understand, I don't get it. People get it, man, they are not stupid, honestly, no one is that stupid. They just don't care because oh its a game and I'm online I should be able to insult whoever I want. This is some rubbish that just needs to go because the internet is here to stay. It is the same underlying problem with cyberbullying where they think if they are not physically inflicting pain they did nothing wrong. Nonsense.
: A thought that came to mind regarding toxicity...
Most people know exactly why they were punished for. One of the questions that I ask a lot is: "would you attach your chat log to your future resume?" So far, not a single person say they would. They obviously know, they just don't want to admit the wrongs because they think that the veil of anonymity gives them an exception to be under par human being. Good Riddance. Also, Riot tells you repeatedly with warnings, chat restriction, soft bans, like it is insane how some people can get to permabans, even multiple permabans. To me, I sometimes question their ability to function in society if they REALLY don't know what they did wrong. It is kinda of insulting at times.
: Permanently Banned
For some people just seeing the coffin ⚰ is not enough, they need to be laid in it to get it. For others , just the thought of it is scary enough.
: just got perma ban ...
: Permabans aren't the answer
I think it kind of is, Most of my games are peaceful nowadays. Sometimes when someone tilts a bit much all I have to say is "Have you been banned before" and almost immediately there will be peace. LOL
: What I've learned through permabanned introspection
How about "don't get banned. Again." πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚
Gliave (OCE)
: Riot Please Ban Me
Although this is sarcastically funny, however you did understand that you caused discomfort and annoyance in other players. Maybe some people have limited time to play and whatever they got they want the best out of it, but then here is an afk (you). Some might say since you are your family's it expert you must know that your family got a new tv and that at some point requires your assistance. Better finish that then play perhaps. Anyway if this is a once out of the blue scenario for you then don't worry much, a report or 9 isn't going to do anything. However if this is a pattern of behaviour then don't wast supports time, you will get banned.
: Is it a bannable offense to ban your teammates champs during champ select?
Eedat (NA)
: Am I playing the right game?
it can be frustrating at times, but overall be quiet in games and be reasonable will usually result in a smooth game.
Blenos (NA)
: Most mutually agreeable game
Just ask nicely, and if doesn't go your way don't throw a tantrum. More often than not if everyone feels that same way it's a good FF. Does not apply in ranked, always try your hardest or don't' rank.
: Permabanned - Something needs to change
Yeah something definitely needs to change. YOU. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚
cllesh (NA)
: my latest 10 game chat ban, enjoy
bad behaviour and gameplay are two sides of the same coin. Players that for whatever reason feel an inadequacy in their teammate's play results in frustration, and a real challenge for self-control. It is really something league can never eliminate, it will always persist. The only thing to blame here is human nature. while punishment and reward can greatly deter and encourage bad and good behaviours, but if the goal was to truly eliminate it all together then the only course of action is to shut the game down.
Yenn (NA)
: Why do these toxic players have zero fear of being reported?
just report, they'll get punished when the time comes.
: Jungling without smite
Prepatch I get it sometimes people forget, I have. Now JG role auto activate smite, so you have to purposely remove it to jg without smite. Too troll. Should be auto ban.
: So i'v been muted, what about the other guy
Minding too much of other people's business landed you the punishment in the first place right? Learn something maybe. πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚
tmactt1 (NA)
: I would just like to know if you guys think a 10-game chat restriction was justified
If it's just one game maybe yes, maybe not.... But if many of your games are like this it eventually accumulated and became a pattern, therefore a ban. If you continue to flame for every little thing that didn't go your way, this won't be your last. Take it for what it is, a warning.
: Ban an flamer instead of an troller simple pointless
0% of flamers I see are good players.
Kawaiboi (NA)
: PermaBanned for " being bad at the game"
I had a lissandra supp once, F sucks.
AppToken (EUNE)
: Let me explain: Both times, I try logging in to my account and I get the message saying that "your account is permanently banned", I go to the support, they ask me like a million questions about the history of the account, and then they say: "Oh, that was just to make sure the account is secured, you're not banned" and then they recover the account.
This story is so sad. The only other time I cried this hard was watching Marley. No, wait, definitely A Dog's Purpose.
: Give me insight
Every time that I think I won't lose, I F lose. Karma is a B.
AppToken (EUNE)
: Please, unban me!
Hmmm, how many games did this person play on your account? Have you had bans before?
: yeah but moderators are still using a double standard by not removing the comment that I responded to, which in turn makes the moderator that DID remove my comment unqualified for the job as that moderator clearly didn't want to enforce the rules equally and fairly to everyone regardless.
dude, I gave you a straw you turn it into a spear? "Straight people, always wanting to out us gays" Is a statement towards current ongoing discrimination against the LGBTQ community. "Gay people, always wanting to invade our stuff" Homophobic slur. Case closed, lock post?
: can you explain the right way to interpret the other guy's comment? because I only see it in the 'wrong' way.
hey man, how about this, moderators are volunteers while they try to do their best and sometimes hurt your feelings, but the fact is they are doing something I personally would never consider even if there are monetary incentives. So cut them some slack aight? Both comments were distasteful.
KΓ­tty (EUNE)
: Inting EVERYWHERE!
sometimes its so hard to tell whether its inting or just bad gameplay. I think anyone with over 10 death in less than 20 min is just inting...but I think a lot of people will not agree with that standard.
: Double standards on the boards
A few weeks ago someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed and a bunch of people got a random 1-day ban. Then suddenly there was close to no moderation for a few days. Maybe its all in my head, but I have always been very acute in sensing these things. Maybe I'm psychic! Bhhhaaaw! XD
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