: When you play support.....
Wait u think someones item build is a reportable offense?? Since when do others get to dictate what someone else HAS to build or be reported? Also pls.. u think your report will have a person banned so bad their kids will be banned?? lol pls.. I am a support main.. and yes i do build my support items.. but i do it not cause someone tells me to.. i do it cause its my source for gold without having to purposely steal CS.. BUT pls get off your high horse thinking that u have the right to tell people what they have to build..
: WTF Did I Just Play?
hey whatever let the OP state their "concerns" then.. but i dont see anyone offering any form of a solution.. hmm...
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=WoollyWitch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eTF6Glah,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T14:11:22.727+0000) > > So you're a casual player complaining about how a player wants to play casually, fairly? > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} im not complaining.. im telling him to suck it up and play.. no complaint at all coming from me.. thats like saying someone who says "STFU and play" is complaining..
: ok for one im gold, and i play vs plats and diamonds on a regular basis, you said your silver so technically i am better than you, my team had 5 gold players vs a challenger and a grandmaster, that is something that shouldn't happen, also our varus quit at 7 mins when he realized he was laning vs a grandmaster, i was doing just fine
> [{quoted}](name=TheBrothersGrymm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eTF6Glah,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-08T11:04:58.949+0000) > > ok for one im gold, and i play vs plats and diamonds on a regular basis, you said your silver so technically i am better than you, my team had 5 gold players vs a challenger and a grandmaster, that is something that shouldn't happen, also our varus quit at 7 mins when he realized he was laning vs a grandmaster, i was doing just fine Im a casual player.. meaning i dont play to become a pro.. i play cause i like the game.. i have been gold here and there by myself.. not through duo queuing.. im a main support so climbing isnt always the easiest.. however u were playing a BLIND queue.. so like i said.. u dont want match ups like this then play solo ranked.. then if u get a match up like that again then maybe your bitching can carry something..
: WTF Did I Just Play?
Do we know if someones rank effects a game like normal blind pick?? besides its a normal.. u cant get better unless u play against better players.. so next time instead of crying and bailing on the game at the 15 min mark try playing it and u might learn something.. and this is coming from a Silver player.. so suck it up cupcake.. or stick to arams..
: > [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rwZENJKi,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-04T07:06:47.609+0000) > > Maybe the system told a mid main to autofill support and a support main to autofill mid and one of them mentions it offhand in chat. Maybe one of them is facing a hard counter for their main and don't own the hard-counter for that opponent, but someone in another role does and suggests a switch. If something like this happens with little time left on the timer, they may be confused about the role they're to fill. > > My point is that mere confusion with no ill intent isn't griefing. I think I understand, you're saying lane jacking is only really griefing in Draft pick? In blind it's more or less just being a jerk or a misunderstanding?
> [{quoted}](name=AMADEUSdotEXE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rwZENJKi,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-04T07:19:36.006+0000) > > I think I understand, you're saying lane jacking is only really griefing in Draft pick? In blind it's more or less just being a jerk or a misunderstanding? more of being a jerk.. the rare ocassions that i play blind picks i just lock in morg and head to bot lane.. i let the other bitch they called a role 1st.. i dont bother with it.. the odd time its caused problems.. but i tell them im supporting and not moving.. lol.. i may come off as a dick but just cause i dont type fast like others do doesnt mean im being stuck in a jungle role so 4 people can rage and report me cause my jungling is weak..
Rioter Comments
: Your greatest weakness in league is?
My Champ pool is soooooo small.. 130+ champs and i only play like 6-7 and of them only 2-3 are go to champs regardless of whom im playing with or against..
Infernape (EUW)
: It's intended. Riot coded his ultimate as one big suppression so it's treated like Skarner and Malzahar's ultimates.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T9vLXdQE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-15T01:29:38.844+0000) > > It's intended. Riot coded his ultimate as one big suppression so it's treated like Skarner and Malzahar's ultimates. so abilities like Spell shields will block this as well?
: She's a support deal with it. All your doing is hurting the people that actually play her since NO ONE that plays hers wants this. You have to also remove basically half of her cc to move her from support since she will be fucking broken if she would jg or lane. Also adding damage IS NOT WANT LEO NEEDS and goes against her play style she is a cc bot and nothing else.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5eMQ3RsB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-14T12:43:29.970+0000) > > She's a support deal with it. All your doing is hurting the people that actually play her since NO ONE that plays hers wants this. > > You have to also remove basically half of her cc to move her from support since she will be fucking broken if she would jg or lane. > > Also adding damage IS NOT WANT LEO NEEDS and goes against her play style she is a cc bot and nothing else. do whats the difference between say the kits of Leo and Naut? not much.. in fact he has more CC the Leo does.. High damage output scales off of HP for his shield that does AOE like sunfire cap while active.. I used to play Leo ALOT but last season and this i have really touched her much.. changing something like letting her clear a jungle camp faster or even letting her dash to large jungle minions wont break her kit.. Other then a kill lane Leo brings NOTHING to a lane or late game team fight.. cause Late game she is either babysitting her adc.. or she is so behind in gold and EXP that she doesnt have the items to engage and matter..
: Change Leonas passive
So we leave her Pigeon holed as a VERY vulnerable tank/support? Other then her CC and her VERY minor passive she has nothing that calls her a support.. Meanwhile other supports like Kench, can flourish in numerous roles without giving up anything.. Moving Leo to the jungle? why not.. might freshen up the jungle comps.. a small change to her kit to allow this isnt going to make her OP.. and if it puts her more on the OP side then people just ban her.. Christ Morg gets a small change to her ulti and she is almost a permaban..
NY64 (NA)
: Why does Braum have a low win rate?
Id like for him to get some love. His Jump is a big issue with.. The range of its cast isnt very big when you compare it to other champs that are able to dash to teammates.. Champs like Lee Sin, Yuumi, Rakan, Jax, Kat (actually not sure if Kat can still E to allies), but i guess the main comparison would be Yummi and Rakan.. who have by far further dashing, lower CD. I almost feel like they need to add something as a secondary effect when he lands on allies.. maybe a slow or maybe even a debuff if their is enemies with in a radius..
Symor11 (NA)
: when you compare it that way it makes perfect sense, isnt as reliant as other supports shields and in addition it has a delay and has almsot no utility unless you build items for such ... but again i put forth that shes an ap mage. why should her shield be comparable at all ? her shield shouldn't even be in the discussion or the same realm as champions who's sole purpose is to shield and help others.
> [{quoted}](name=Symor11,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tFYIPE3K,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-06T03:19:31.480+0000) > > when you compare it that way it makes perfect sense, isnt as reliant as other supports shields and in addition it has a delay and has almsot no utility unless you build items for such ... but again i put forth that shes an ap mage. why should her shield be comparable at all ? her shield shouldn't even be in the discussion or the same realm as champions who's sole purpose is to shield and help others. It never has been an issue or in the discussion until you complained about it. she is a 100% skill shot champ.. she has to have something as a give back..
Zardo (NA)
: Autofill protection doesn't transfer between queues
> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QLz8siI8,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-12T12:18:02.900+0000) > > Autofill protection doesn't transfer between queues well i guess people just need to play support more..
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Congratulations riot, you killed pyke support.
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xlpjgz4g,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-12T09:21:03.259+0000) > > More often than not supports don't go past level 13 in the current meta. > Pyke levels w last. > Thus, support pykes are going to play with reduced movement speed and healing throughout the entire game and why? > > Because solo lane pyke. > > They change the movement speed > bonus to be 30/40/50/60/70% > Instead of 40%+1.5 per 1 lethality. > Pyke stacks lethality. > 2 lethality items are roughly 40 lethality, that's around 100% bonus decaying movement speed > > After the change he has 30% move speed until he puts more points into w. > > He will now regenerate 35%(+800% ad) until he puts some points into w, instead of like 60% when he got to level 13. > > Pyke is squishy as fuck because he can't build health and he needed that healing bad, especially early when his resistances are low. > > Borderline disgusting NERF. > > Mage supports it is then. Ya heaven forbid they nerf a support champ that was stealth, Healing, Dash with a stun, a Hook, and lets not forget the True damage Execution ulti.. in fact maybe they should give him maxed out Crit damage to start as well.. Pyke is my PERMA ban when i support.. i cant save what he ultis..
Sadalsa (EUW)
: A player can have multiple champions learned for a role or two but then get autofilled to a role that require champions they haven't played, that's also an issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Sadalsa,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QLz8siI8,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-12T10:36:28.811+0000) > > A player can have multiple champions learned for a role or two but then get autofilled to a role that require champions they haven't played, that's also an issue. then play a normal game and play support to get your auto fill protection then go to ranked.. personally it isnt a problem for me cause im pretty much a full time support now.. but having your auto fill protection helps..
: Put a 10 game restriction on champs in ranked
> [{quoted}](name=Trash MammaI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QLz8siI8,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-11T17:38:28.352+0000) > > Or make them have a least mastery 3 cause holy shit i'm tired of first timers in ranked it's so infuriating when you have to explain to someone what items to build what skill to max etc. just because they have no clue how to play the champ they picked. > > Really sick of league being babysitting simulator I have said the same thing in the past and people down voted like it was going out of style.. I agree when players say "Who counter (Insert champions name)? someone replies (Insert counter champs name). even if the person has no idea on how to play them to will try them out in ranked.. Id rather see someone who plays 1 trick Nami go Nami top then to see them try and play Illaoi for the 1st time.. at least they know how the champ works and play accordingly. but nah they see a streamer play Lee Sin and wreck people.. so they think they can just pick him up that easy..
: Just change Leonas passive, or add onto it.
I wouldnt even mind her being able to pop it like Lux with her passive... and for her to be untargetable when she is on route with her dash..
: Morgana Shield vs Fizz Ult V.2
I have also noticed that they changed Zoe drowzy and morg shield.. her shield now blocks the sleep effect.. before it would only block it if you had it on before being hit with drowzy... now it will block the actual CC part of it regardless when the shield was applied...
Cosnirak (NA)
: The freshly placed Gold 1 thing is a problem, but what do win streaks and win rates have to do with anything here? People on win streaks are not more likely to keep winning and vice versa in regards to loss streaks. People with a low win rate right now are probably more skilled than most at their current MMR but have just had some bad luck, if anything them being on your team makes you more likely to win, and again vice versa (high win rate people are more likely to lose). The problem is the exceptions, people who were boosted and now losing a ton and smurfs who are below where they should be and winning a ton. But as far as I know they are the tiny minority.
> [{quoted}](name=Cosnirak,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FEFiwajL,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-05-26T22:04:45.259+0000) > > The freshly placed Gold 1 thing is a problem, but what do win streaks and win rates have to do with anything here? People on win streaks are not more likely to keep winning and vice versa in regards to loss streaks. People with a low win rate right now are probably more skilled than most at their current MMR but have just had some bad luck, if anything them being on your team makes you more likely to win, and again vice versa (high win rate people are more likely to lose). The problem is the exceptions, people who were boosted and now losing a ton and smurfs who are below where they should be and winning a ton. But as far as I know they are the tiny minority. I think their main issue is with when a person is running hot and gets into a major promo series that rito some how gives them borderline mentally handicapped teammates when the other team has massive play ability gap.. i know i have always seen this but i just queued it up to me being crazy..
: > [{quoted}](name=Unstoppable Monk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mKG09W8i,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-30T10:49:09.816+0000) > > pls learn game 1st before bitching about champions thanks lux is obnoxious and so are her fans
> [{quoted}](name=MaskedMorals,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mKG09W8i,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-01T04:56:54.148+0000) > > lux is obnoxious and so are her fans she is a champ that is 100% skill shots.. so the fact that u cant sidestep her kit shows your lvl of play..
: Honestly, I'd be fine with it being completely removed. Its a huge, AoE skill shot that literally can't be dodged if you double tap it instantly because you can't actually *see* it to dodge it. As long as she throws it in the general direction of an individual, she's likely to probably hit them. :/
> [{quoted}](name=OtterlyLost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mKG09W8i,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-30T12:34:07.314+0000) > > Honestly, I'd be fine with it being completely removed. Its a huge, AoE skill shot that literally can't be dodged if you double tap it instantly because you can't actually *see* it to dodge it. As long as she throws it in the general direction of an individual, she's likely to probably hit them. :/ maybe if they changed the damage based on where the person is located when it pops.. middle most damage, rim less..
: Being forced to play against higher ranks in draft
Id love to be matched with gold + players on a regular basis... only helps u become a better player.. sure u might take a shit kicking for the 1st bit but after u will adjust and be able to hold your own..
: I'm tired of hugging the tower while Zed gets to free farm and harass me endlessly for 10-20 minutes
this is why i perma ban zed when i mid.. the fact that AP champs ONLY ap item that has Armor is armguard.. they need to give us more options to build against AD champs..
: looks like soraka is a perma banned again.
Where is the info on the buffs?
: This shit is unnaceptable
its ok asking the other team for reports itself is also a reportable offense.. i never report someone cause the other team said they were toxic, unless said player was toxic in all chat.. i cant report for something i didnt witness..
: {{champion:53}} is a support and also provides nothing but CC. {{champion:111}} played in support more often than any other role (and more successfully), provides nothing but CC. CC is a form of utility and Leona provides alot of it, she can effectively lock down an enemy for her lane partner to get a free kill. Morgana can lock down an opponent, too, as well as preventing her own lane partner to get locked down (or herself).
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nZh30dZu,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-23T10:27:05.538+0000) > > {{champion:53}} is a support and also provides nothing but CC. > {{champion:111}} played in support more often than any other role (and more successfully), provides nothing but CC. > > CC is a form of utility and Leona provides alot of it, she can effectively lock down an enemy for her lane partner to get a free kill. > Morgana can lock down an opponent, too, as well as preventing her own lane partner to get locked down (or herself). You are right Blitz is a support.. NOW.. he was originally brought in to play top lane.. and yes Naut has lots of CC.. but he was also brought in as a jungler.. and with many of these reworks and released champs almost every champ has some form of CC. That being said they want to take MOrgs mid game away then they need to give her support role something in return.. but instead they wanna nerf the damage on a slow moving, predictable skill shot and can be blocked by something as simple as a caster minion.. they wanna nerf her shield cause players find it too hard to bait out and then reengage a morg/adc when its on CD.. sorry but nerfing morg in these regards and not giving her anything in return to help her in her current role is straight up stupid.. she didnt get any attention like this until their BS update on her.. sure she would get banned every now and then.. but now she is almost a perma ban.. why cause they gave her ulti a MS buff? great so she can run into the enemy faster and die..
Ironmad (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fargo79,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=003b,timestamp=2019-04-11T20:59:50.731+0000) > > as it stands her passive is a joke now.. 20% spell vamp my ASS.. maybe if they gave her soil grounding properties or maybe even grievous wounds properties.. Her passive got a rework m8: Morgana restores health equal to 20% of ability damage dealt to champions, large minions and large monsters. So now she can't even heal from normal creeps... But atleast she got this: Tormented Shadow's cooldown is reduced by 5% whenever Soul Siphon triggers. It lasts for 5 sec and triggers every 0,5 sec. So it can trigger 10 times *5% = 50% cooldown reduced if your lucky :)
> [{quoted}](name=Ironmad,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=003b0000,timestamp=2019-04-21T15:17:45.140+0000) > > Her passive got a rework m8: Morgana restores health equal to 20% of ability damage dealt to champions, large minions and large monsters. > So now she can't even heal from normal creeps... > But atleast she got this: Tormented Shadow's cooldown is reduced by 5% whenever Soul Siphon triggers. > It lasts for 5 sec and triggers every 0,5 sec. So it can trigger 10 times *5% = 50% cooldown reduced if your lucky :) oh wonderful so now u can burn thru your mana even faster.. sweet. But that was my point she has a SHIT passive.. if they r tryin to put her into a full time support role then give her a passive that reflect that.. her healing before the rework was barely noticeable.. they seem to like giving champs more then 1 passive nowadays.. maybe morg should as well..
: I disagree that she is a mid laner by design. Yes, back then when she was created, she got called a mid laner by them. But this doesn't necessarily mean that she has the kit of a mid laner. Support as a role is mostly defined by being pretty independant of gold income. This can either be achieved by - alot of utility in the kit, so it is useful without high damage numbers - high base damages, so they are a threat even without many items (then there are special cases like Pyke, who work with gold, but get special interactions in their kit to funnel additional gold into him even as a support) Look at Morganas kit now. 3 out of her 4 spells are utility. Root on Q to catch/disrupt enemies, AoE stun on ultimate and a shield (which she can give to an ally) which prevents CC. It's pretty obvious that such a kit will end up in the support role.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nZh30dZu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-04-23T07:40:37.503+0000) > > I disagree that she is a mid laner by design. > Yes, back then when she was created, she got called a mid laner by them. But this doesn't necessarily mean that she has the kit of a mid laner. > > Support as a role is mostly defined by being pretty independant of gold income. This can either be achieved by > > - alot of utility in the kit, so it is useful without high damage numbers > - high base damages, so they are a threat even without many items > > (then there are special cases like Pyke, who work with gold, but get special interactions in their kit to funnel additional gold into him even as a support) > > Look at Morganas kit now. 3 out of her 4 spells are utility. Root on Q to catch/disrupt enemies, AoE stun on ultimate and a shield (which she can give to an ally) which prevents CC. > It's pretty obvious that such a kit will end up in the support role. if this is your logic then why is Leona a support then? she doesnt give anything but CC and small damage from her passive.. all other support champs she compares to at least give some form shield or defense buff. Morg is supposed to be a mid mage.. but over the years they have released champs that can out trade her with ease, out farm her, push the lane in on her, block or dodge her CC. Then they nerfed her passive.. then they nerfed her shield CD, then they removed all items in which she used to actually try and use her passive.. then they nerfed her W. (anyone remember when it shredded MR?) this is what forced her to be moved to bot lane on a regular basis. Immobile champs like Brand, Vel koz, and xerath soon followed cause of the flood of assassins in the mid lane they their kits were weak against if they cant land a skill shot.. This morg rework is a joke.. if she got the same upgrade of OP burst shred damage like kayle did then id understand.. but she got a MS buff on her ulti.. look at the last 20 champs released or reworked.. and see how many of them have dash, jumps, terrain hops, etc.. i think she needed the MS buff just so her utli was viable..
: Why is Morgana mid getting gutted? Why?
Morgs entire kit depends on being able to land a snare thats a SKILL SHOT and determine whether she can or will follow up with an engage.. 9/10 times its meant to get free damage from the Soil.. now if they actually gave her a working passive then id consider letting them reduce some of her shit. but as it stands her passive is a joke now.. 20% spell vamp my ASS.. maybe if they gave her soil grounding properties or maybe even grievous wounds properties..
ORB1TS (NA)
: How many times do I have to say it SHE IS A FUCKING SUPPORT CHAMPION
> [{quoted}](name=ORB1TS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=003a,timestamp=2019-04-11T18:26:37.275+0000) > > How many times do I have to say it SHE IS A FUCKING SUPPORT CHAMPION whats Kench then? he is supposed to be a support but does just well in the top lane.. and no morg isnt just a support.. morg is a champ that has been here almost since the games release.. she has been a mid since she was released and still continues to be a mid champ.. but u start messing with a kit have has stood steady above almost all kits in the game as probably the most balanced and original and nerf it cause players cant use minions to block a snare or even just side step the SKILL SHOT altogther i just shake my head good sir..
: How is this gutting her? She's losing some damage on her 3 second root and losing some scaling on a shield that also makes you CC immune. She'll still have the same midlane pattern of W waves and maybe auto once in a while while trying to set up for Q. The shield already makes you CC immune, so cutting it down will still let her shrug off some trades better than other mid laners can. And I could be wrong here, but isn't Morgana one of the strongest Supports at the moment? This is much more of a nerf focused on that. Q will do less damage to squishy ADCs and supports and E won't let your ally win every trade if the enemy tries to CC them.
> [{quoted}](name=Ionian Vulpix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=0028,timestamp=2019-04-10T11:32:35.289+0000) > > How is this gutting her? She's losing some damage on her 3 second root and losing some scaling on a shield that also makes you CC immune. She'll still have the same midlane pattern of W waves and maybe auto once in a while while trying to set up for Q. The shield already makes you CC immune, so cutting it down will still let her shrug off some trades better than other mid laners can. > > And I could be wrong here, but isn't Morgana one of the strongest Supports at the moment? This is much more of a nerf focused on that. Q will do less damage to squishy ADCs and supports and E won't let your ally win every trade if the enemy tries to CC them. Yes her shield can hold off CC but only while its up.. MOST of the ap mids Morg goes against can blow thru her shield with ease. Therefore setting her up for a gank cause her shield will be on CD.. people just need to play against her smarter.. bait her to use the shield and maybe burn her flash.. then all she has is her snare.. and she can only snare 1 target.. sorry but she is VERY gankable she misses that snare she is fucked.. champs like Noc who have a built in spell shield to block it altogether laugh.. shaco eat morgs up.. My point being people rage about her snare having damage and a 3 sec cc time.. well hey its a slow moving SKILL SHOT that can be blocked by a minion... ya there should be reward to her catching someone.. no one is talking about the low risk/high reward champs like Yas, Zed, Thresh, Fizz, Zoey, Neeko.. these champs have high damage, low CD's, massive range, safe hooks, shields, CC. yet everyone think a champ whos kit has been the same for almost 8 -9 years is OP and needs to be put 6 feet under.. i think this is the 1st time to my memory that they have really started messing with her ap ratios.. yet people think she is broken..
: excuse me but what? morgana mid is super oppressive,not just because of her design but her ratios. in THE CURRENT meta shes fucking atrocious to deal with, she has assasination potential with her q , because 3 seconds is more than enough for morgana to burst someone down with her current ap ratios. for example, dont u find it the least opressive that zoe has to time up to 4 seconds a extremely thin q skillshot to even do damage ? and mid to late game morgana's q does more damage and is much easier to land with the massive hitbox (not complaining about it). now, im not using zoe as an example because i have a praising or hatred against zoe or morgana but its ridiculous. its funny how morganas q does more damage than zoe's q with more ease and less dodging potential. even if you put zoe's bubble in the equation there are times when morgana's q e aa combo does more damage. Now that would be perfectly fine if you didint count one thing..Shes *not an assasin* shes a mage. now i am not labeling her and oppressing her into a single role just to deny her to mid. The reason i said this is because shes a mage with such high ratios that she also becomes a fucking assassin. she has in mid: > - good wave clear > - Massive assassination damage > - good poking tool > - longest cc ability which is non ultimate > - Ap ratios that making trading with her absolutely bullshit > - strong cc aoe ability > - Relatively spammable shield that denies ANY cc and any magic damage for a good amount of time > - cc shield makes her literally immune to cc jungler like elise etc > - late game in team fights she has a oppressive relatively spamamble (for the things it does) cc ability that roots up to 4 seconds and deals massive damage, sometimes even nearly killing a squishy just with q e > - ranged (able to poke melee) > - melee trades like talon are absolutely a night mare for them and more. those would be mostly fine if her ratios warent so extremely high that it feels like getting hit by a truck if she has farm. assassination ratio damage on a poking mage is absolutely cancer. imagine bard's q doing the same lol. i really dont get why morgana mains have this huge obsession saying that riot and the community are only hating on her because she was a support and went mid (and yes i know she was originally mid) but the fact of the matter is when she does more damage than one of if not the highest bursting ap champion and has massive wave clear , immune to cc, massive cc her self ,poke and cc jungle immunity is just dumb.
> [{quoted}](name=AlexTheGrandWolf,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2019-04-10T10:30:56.647+0000) > > excuse me but what? morgana mid is super oppressive,not just because of her design but her ratios. > > in THE CURRENT meta shes fucking atrocious to deal with, she has assasination potential with her q , because 3 seconds is more than enough for morgana to burst someone down with her current ap ratios. > > for example, dont u find it the least opressive that zoe has to time up to 4 seconds a extremely thin q skillshot to even do damage ? and mid to late game morgana's q does more damage and is much easier to land with the massive hitbox (not complaining about it). > > now, im not using zoe as an example because i have a praising or hatred against zoe or morgana but its ridiculous. its funny how morganas q does more damage than zoe's q with more ease and less dodging potential. even if you put zoe's bubble in the equation there are times when morgana's q e aa combo does more damage. > > Now that would be perfectly fine if you didint count one thing..Shes *not an assasin* > > shes a mage. now i am not labeling her and oppressing her into a single role just to deny her to mid. The reason i said this is because shes a mage with such high ratios that she also becomes a fucking assassin. > > she has in mid: > up to 4 seconds and deals massive damage, sometimes even nearly killing a squishy just with q e > > and more. > > those would be mostly fine if her ratios warent so extremely high that it feels like getting hit > by a truck if she has farm. > > assassination ratio damage on a poking mage is absolutely cancer. imagine bard's q doing the same lol. > > > i really dont get why morgana mains have this huge obsession saying that riot and the community > are only hating on her because she was a support and went mid (and yes i know she was originally mid) > > but the fact of the matter is when she does more damage than one of if not the highest bursting > ap champion and has massive wave clear , immune to cc, massive cc her self ,poke and cc > jungle immunity is just dumb. sorry but ill have to disagree.. her snare is only 3 secs if maxed and 90% of the time its obvious when she is looking to set up on it.. so in that case stand behind a minion.. i will agree that the hitbox needs a tweak.. not nearly as bad at the OLD Nid spears.. but yes its kind big.. but with that being said it means it also gets caught by minions when it shouldnt.. Morg mid has one job.. push the lane and take tower.. use shield to get out of a gank.. but with the release of soo many champs over the years she cant really do that anymore.. Morgs snare is pretty much her only saving grace for her Kit.. cause IF she misses that then she is open season to be pounced on..
: Oh she can, she definetly can. Support Morgana, sure, she probably can't unless she goes full AP, but a mid lane Morgana, trust me, that hurts a lot, even pre reworks. And maybe she was legit in season 2-3-4, but all the season 9 before her rework, and even in season 8, when I wanted to play her mid I either had people who trolled me and banned her because "she's not a midlaner", dodged, or simply flamed me for picking her mid. There also was this one Zed who started laughing at my "troll pick" and said I'd lose the game, and after 10 mins he started crying for Morgana nerfs because "she's OP".
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T10:29:22.599+0000) > > Oh she can, she definetly can. > > Support Morgana, sure, she probably can't unless she goes full AP, but a mid lane Morgana, trust me, that hurts a lot, even pre reworks. > > And maybe she was legit in season 2-3-4, but all the season 9 before her rework, and even in season 8, when I wanted to play her mid I either had people who trolled me and banned her because "she's not a midlaner", dodged, or simply flamed me for picking her mid. > > There also was this one Zed who started laughing at my "troll pick" and said I'd lose the game, and after 10 mins he started crying for Morgana nerfs because "she's OP". When i play mid Morg, Zed is my ban EVERYTIME.. ill deal with a yas if i have to but zed is easy poke, engage, kill and disengage.. she is really only getting more bans now then normal cause the rework and the pros are using her more in live matches. When I heard Morg was gettign a rework i thought they were giving her W a small tweak (Like grounding properties) or at the VERY peast update her passive.. cause her passive is SHIT.. it was good when it was at 30% spell vamp and there were actual items she could use to make it work.. but now u barely even see your HP go up when she hits stuff...
: That's kinda sad about her. She could 100-0 squishies with just a QW when she was mid, I did it and it killed a Jhin through PD and Heal before rework from full. Morgana mid was a very _very_ **very** **_very_** underrated pick, and I got called a troll for picking her mid, but now when she got the rework, slightly more damage and pros picked her mid, everyone saw how good she was. It's sad but deserved, her mid lane was always strong, she's a mid laner at heart anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-04-10T09:59:50.680+0000) > > That's kinda sad about her. > > She could 100-0 squishies with just a QW when she was mid, I did it and it killed a Jhin through PD and Heal before rework from full. > > Morgana mid was a very _very_ **very** **_very_** underrated pick, and I got called a troll for picking her mid, but now when she got the rework, slightly more damage and pros picked her mid, everyone saw how good she was. > > It's sad but deserved, her mid lane was always strong, she's a mid laner at heart anyway. Hardly say she was an under rated mid pick.. cause in season 3-4 she was almost a perma ban.. she has had one of VERY few kits that have stood the test of time since she was released.. the only thing that has pushed her out of mid on a regular basis is rito either made or reworked champs to have insane wave clear, damage, free of resources for attacks, mobility, true damage, Low CD's, or just straight up removed items that Morg needed to take advantage of her by todays standards a SHITY Passive.. I play Alot of Morg.. and sorry but Morg cant 100-0 someone at any level.. sure she can land a snare and MAYBE 1/4 someone.. but the soil wont finish the job..
: Why is Morgana mid getting gutted? Why?
so wait.. they r nerfing an ALREADY easy to dodge Snare that any decent player can see coming.. wonderful.. so now a champ that i have been playing since season 2 will lose her shield cause now almost ANYONE with any form of AP can blow thru it. her snare has NO reward in landing it.. she STILL has a useless passive.. but wait they gave her a MS buff on an ulti that she has to be up in the enemies face to use... ya sounds Balanced..
: Can we at LEAST have a rotating game mode consistently instead of once every two months
They should roll out OLD Champion kits and items for some game modes.. id love to see how todays players would react to something like AP yi.. or Insta gap closing Talon with a silence,.. bring back Madreds Bloodrazor and Force of Nature.. the original Blood Thirster that was stackable.. bring back atmas impaler.. a nice retro game mode... bring back the OLD and hard to play Karma Kit.. maybe some MR shredding Morg W's..
: Plat 3 can't duo with Diamond 4 but Silver 1 can duo with plat 4?!?!
Is it possible that the Plat 1 was duo with 1 of the Plat 4? and the Gold was duo with the other plat 4?
: What was the design concept behind Kayle's anti-tank stats
what i dont understand is if they keep the armor shredding for Kayle why didnt they give Morg back her MR shredding on her soil?
: I am a support main, with mid as my off role and when I go mid I only ever play AP champions - Usually Vel'Koz or Aurelion Sol. AP champions can go Banshee's Veil and Annie is unable to simply unable to kill them, and in this situation she is completely useless as almost every other mage generally has more windows open in which to harass her back. I agree, Morgana's bind is very easy to dodge in lane usually, the issue is that this doesn't often fall into her game play pattern. She will just W the wave and hard shove it 24/7 and very few champions in the game have the ability to match this wave clear in the early game. In most match-ups she will hold onto her Q for whenever she is getting ganked or you decide to go aggressive. On the matter of her black shield, yes it is easily broken by most mid laners, but generally it should be used to block CC rather than simply as a tool to block damage. There are very few mid laners with instantaneous hard cc in the game and so it should be very easy to react to these abilities as they're in the air and most champions rely on landing these abilities to get the rest of their combo off reliably. Not to mention an extra 200hp to burn through is quite a significant amount in the early stages of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4muhY2Rk,comment-id=0002000300000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-19T12:41:26.990+0000) > > I am a support main, with mid as my off role and when I go mid I only ever play AP champions - Usually Vel'Koz or Aurelion Sol. AP champions can go Banshee's Veil and Annie is unable to simply unable to kill them, and in this situation she is completely useless as almost every other mage generally has more windows open in which to harass her back. > > I agree, Morgana's bind is very easy to dodge in lane usually, the issue is that this doesn't often fall into her game play pattern. She will just W the wave and hard shove it 24/7 and very few champions in the game have the ability to match this wave clear in the early game. In most match-ups she will hold onto her Q for whenever she is getting ganked or you decide to go aggressive. > > On the matter of her black shield, yes it is easily broken by most mid laners, but generally it should be used to block CC rather than simply as a tool to block damage. There are very few mid laners with instantaneous hard cc in the game and so it should be very easy to react to these abilities as they're in the air and most champions rely on landing these abilities to get the rest of their combo off reliably. Not to mention an extra 200hp to burn through is quite a significant amount in the early stages of the game. Very true.. but dont forget her shield is only a 200hp boost if the incoming damage is AP.. ad champs couldnt give shit about her shield..
: I fell EXACTLY the same way about Malzahar. Every time he becomes in the meta again I am a massive advocate of nerfing him into the ground. Ideally I hope they revert the Malzahar mini rework. His kit lacks any skill anymore and gives him too many free tools for no reason. Annie has much more interactivity than Morgana. She has little to no defensive tools, very subpoor wave clear and terrible range. All of these things give you avenues to fight back. If she can't one shot you, she is worthless. Building even a few defensive items stops this from happening. Banshee's Veil, Merc treads, Hexdrinker and she is useless. She has no reliable waveclear. An unreliable CC ability and a damage reduction in her kit.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4muhY2Rk,comment-id=00020003000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-18T22:52:17.976+0000) > > I fell EXACTLY the same way about Malzahar. Every time he becomes in the meta again I am a massive advocate of nerfing him into the ground. Ideally I hope they revert the Malzahar mini rework. His kit lacks any skill anymore and gives him too many free tools for no reason. Annie has much more interactivity than Morgana. She has little to no defensive tools, very subpoor wave clear and terrible range. All of these things give you avenues to fight back. If she can't one shot you, she is worthless. Building even a few defensive items stops this from happening. Banshee's Veil, Merc treads, Hexdrinker and she is useless. She has no reliable waveclear. An unreliable CC ability and a damage reduction in her kit. U must play alot of AD champs mid then.. cause its great that they have so many MR items they can build without giving up a a real power spike.. AP mages on the other hand can only build Armguard as a defensive item.. and when that happens their Mana regen and CD take a hit as well as actual AP Scaling. sorry but if morg lands a snares thats on u.. ill admit its hitbox is off a tad.. but its slow moving, can be blocked, and if you are playing champs like Zed, Yas, Irelia, Sylas, zoey, talon, Taliya(spelt that wrong) LB, Lux, etc etc etc.. they either dont care about her shield cause they can plow thru it or their follow up attacks come off CD before her shield is off of CD..
: I am well aware that Morgana was designed as a mid laner, however just because she is much more powerful/popular as a support doesn't mean she isn't at least viable in the mid lane. Sure she's not massively powerful, but I'd definitely rather see Morgana mid than a Lee Sin top or Graves ADC, so let's try and avoid using phrasing that implies Morgana is unplayable as a mid laner. That's what I mean. Morgana mid lane is arguably the most un interactive lane opponents in the entire game. From level 1 she places her W and stays a safe distance away and in winning matchups she can fish for bindings. In losing matchups she can build super defensively and keep her binding available for whenever you might look to go aggressive, black shield and walk away. If Morgana mid is only able to exist as a specific counter pick to certain champions, she somewhat already is, then she would not be a good mid laner. Take old Kayle for example. She was arguably the single best counter pick to assassins in the game, however did this mean she was any more viable as a support as mid lane Morgana is now? Whilst I agree that having all champions be viable in as many roles as possible is generally a good thing, we simply are not at the point yet as so many champions are barely viable in one role.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4muhY2Rk,comment-id=000200030000,timestamp=2019-03-14T16:04:54.895+0000) > > I am well aware that Morgana was designed as a mid laner, however just because she is much more powerful/popular as a support doesn't mean she isn't at least viable in the mid lane. Sure she's not massively powerful, but I'd definitely rather see Morgana mid than a Lee Sin top or Graves ADC, so let's try and avoid using phrasing that implies Morgana is unplayable as a mid laner. > > That's what I mean. Morgana mid lane is arguably the most un interactive lane opponents in the entire game. From level 1 she places her W and stays a safe distance away and in winning matchups she can fish for bindings. In losing matchups she can build super defensively and keep her binding available for whenever you might look to go aggressive, black shield and walk away. > > If Morgana mid is only able to exist as a specific counter pick to certain champions, she somewhat already is, then she would not be a good mid laner. Take old Kayle for example. She was arguably the single best counter pick to assassins in the game, however did this mean she was any more viable as a support as mid lane Morgana is now? Whilst I agree that having all champions be viable in as many roles as possible is generally a good thing, we simply are not at the point yet as so many champions are barely viable in one role. so u see morg as an "Uninteractive" lane opponent.. laned against a Malz lately?? or an annie?? nothing like a champ that can farm lane with his space aids while he is back in base shopping or a champ that has a massive auto attack range for last hits and keep her stun up for a point and click nuke stun.. anyone remember the old Talon and Kass? talon with an instant gap closing silence, and kass who had his own silence point and click.. depending on who u r playing can determine on how easy, fun, defensive u have to play which in turn will also effect how u view being "uninteractive".. cause by this logic almost EVERY top lane match up would be this.. top lane is just farm, trade a little, jungle ganks here and there. and after 15-20 mins swap with bot lane cause they have taken tower..
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> [{quoted}](name=Zeyphel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4muhY2Rk,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T19:11:05.132+0000) > > No if you are rooted infinitely. You can't scape from her R without a long dash and after R roots you, she uses W and you die. It doesn't matter if you avoid her Q, she is not a skill dependant champion anymore. > > All of this supposing you avoid her Q. If she hits you with her Q, you are a guaranteed kill. > > A champion who can root other champions for 5 consecutive seconds is allowed to do burst and consistent damage while having a shield and absurd waveclear. Dominant in Laning Phase but also extremely good in teamfights. > > Can we stop pretending like she is not overloaded? Seriously, the excuses people have been giving me are absurd and stupid. Everyone with 2 eyes and a brain _who is not biased and exploiting the champ rn_ understand it wait u think her kit is overloaded?? yes she has a snare.. but no it doesnt snare u for 5 secs.. even at max its only 3 secs... that can be blocked by something as small as a minion. and she is out pushed in lane all the time.. her soil can clear waves once her soil hits lvl 3 but plenty of champs do it faster, safer, and use less mana.. Morgs Kit has been one of if not the only kit that has been almost most untouched since she was released.. only VERY minor changes have been made to her.. the Nerfs she has received in the past have been more towards the items she used to use opposed to her actually being changed.. Does she dominate a lane? well any champ can dominate a lane.. all depends on how the enemy play vs her? do they give her room to last hit in the early stages of laning? or do they zone her and force her to use mana only to farm.. this is the reason i ban Zed every time i go mid.. i struggle big time with him cause of his free poke and mobility..
: The thing about Morgana is that she has the ability to nullify the vast majority of mid lane match ups. She has the ability to endlessly shove waves from a relatively safe distance with her W. The only difference between a Morgana in a winning lane and a Morgana in a losing lane is her agency to fish for bindings. Against most of the mid lane champs you listed their ability to all in you is severely reduced if you manage to land a binding onto any of them. Even Yasuo who can windwall your binding has relatively low kill threat against a Morgana thanks to how difficult it should be for him to knock you up through your black shield. As you said, a lot of the older and more traditional mages are struggling to find a solid home in the current meta of League of Legends the only difference being that Morgana has a home in the support role whilst virtually all of the mages you listed do not.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4muhY2Rk,comment-id=0002000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T06:40:15.454+0000) > > The thing about Morgana is that she has the ability to nullify the vast majority of mid lane match ups. She has the ability to endlessly shove waves from a relatively safe distance with her W. The only difference between a Morgana in a winning lane and a Morgana in a losing lane is her agency to fish for bindings. Against most of the mid lane champs you listed their ability to all in you is severely reduced if you manage to land a binding onto any of them. Even Yasuo who can windwall your binding has relatively low kill threat against a Morgana thanks to how difficult it should be for him to knock you up through your black shield. > > As you said, a lot of the older and more traditional mages are struggling to find a solid home in the current meta of League of Legends the only difference being that Morgana has a home in the support role whilst virtually all of the mages you listed do not. well a mid morg usually maxes out her W for farming.. and depending on if its an AP or AD champ she is laning against will determine if she maxes snare or shield.. so because a brand cant play mid anymore means he should be allowed to go support with no nerfs? gotta love it when the supp brand has the highest damage on the team.. Morg is by far outdated for a mid role, I personally still play her there but its only cause i know her inside and out.. her shield doesnt help her if she is laning VS an AD champ that could care less about CC'ing her or AP champs whos burst or kit has a shorter CD then her shield..
: Seems like Morgana's the only champ in the game (correct me if I'm wrong) Riot doesn't want to reward for good play. Hit a Q..... but don't get to kill the champ unless your ult is up. Meanwhile..... Lee Sin can 1 skill kill anyone just by hitting a Q, and the second hit doing missing HP increased damage up to 300% AD scaling. Meanwhile...... Ahri can almost 1 shot someone if she hits a charm. Kayn CAN 1 shot if he gets a small lead and goes Shadow Assassin. I'd almost prefer they revert the CDR buff to her Q they added when they shortened cooldowns on line of sight skill shots in the end of Season 7 to Jinx/Morg/Nami/Lux by 2 seconds, in exchange for a W that actually punishes people who are stuck in it.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4hLrF0Bv,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-03-13T14:27:46.776+0000) > > Seems like Morgana's the only champ in the game (correct me if I'm wrong) Riot doesn't want to reward for good play. Hit a Q..... but don't get to kill the champ unless your ult is up. > > Meanwhile..... Lee Sin can 1 skill kill anyone just by hitting a Q, and the second hit doing missing HP increased damage up to 300% AD scaling. > > Meanwhile...... Ahri can almost 1 shot someone if she hits a charm. > > Kayn CAN 1 shot if he gets a small lead and goes Shadow Assassin. > > I'd almost prefer they revert the CDR buff to her Q they added when they shortened cooldowns on line of sight skill shots in the end of Season 7 to Jinx/Morg/Nami/Lux by 2 seconds, in exchange for a W that actually punishes people who are stuck in it. they need to give morg a real passive, and bring back the MR shredding her W used to do.. u wanna stand in the soil fine.. take extra damage from my Q and ulti now...
: Precisely. Does Blitzcrank deserve to be massively buffed to make him a viable top laner. Morgana, by comparison, isn't even that weak of a mid laner.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4muhY2Rk,comment-id=00020001000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-13T22:56:22.134+0000) > > Precisely. Does Blitzcrank deserve to be massively buffed to make him a viable top laner. Morgana, by comparison, isn't even that weak of a mid laner. Well compared to most of the champs they have released over the last 2-4 seasons most of whom seem to be mid like Yas, Zed, Neeko, Zoey, Sylas,even reworked Irelia and Talon. all hand morg her ass in lane.. they have easy poke, low CD's, mobile as fuck, true damage, shields that buff HP, some dont even rely on mana.. so yes she does pale in comparison to most mid laners when it comes to trades and over all damage.. she can clear a wave sure.. but she still has to step up and lay down her W which over the laning phase will burn out her mana pool.. there is a reason why we are not seeing the older style mages mid anymore.. cause there are better mages to be played there or just play an assassin.. so those older mid mages now play in bot.. Morg, Malz, Brand, Lux, Zyra, Annie, Xerath, Vel Koz, yes u will see them mid every now and then,, but a majority of their plays u will see them in the bot lane as a support or kill lane support.. the only change hey need to nerf morg with is her hitbox on her snare.. it is very sketchy on how it hits.. almost as bad as the OLD Nid spears.
: Meddler: You want to nerf Morgana? Here's How.
I dont know how u guys can say Morg needs a nerf.. her Q has a decent snare time of 3 seconds when maxed sure.. but if u r stupid enough to stand out in the open and not use minions for cover then thats on u. Her W has already been nerfed thru the ground over the last 5-6 years. IF anything they needed to give her soil grounding properties like Singed and Cass have on theirs. her E ONLY absorbs magic damage.. yes and blocks the target from CC while its up... but there r plenty of other champs in the game who can give or already have shields that r way more powerful. And dont even get me started on Morgs useless passive.. after it was knocked down from 30% to 20% spell vamp and then they removed pretty much any item she would take to make use of the passive i think she needed some love in the passive area.. but no.. they needed to give her a small touch up in the looks dept and give a small but VERY minor buff to her ulti.. yay MS when she Ultis... IF there is any where they can make a nerf on her i would say maybe look into fixing the hitbox on her Q..
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: Morg deserves a tweak to her passive.
I thought I heard Morgs W was gettign Grounding properties?? like Cass and singed.. and yes she needs a passive that can play into her kit.. hell they seem to be giving out multiple passives and true damage to all... why not morg as well.. maybe something like for every enemy she ultis onto she gains a a shield.. oh wait no they gave that already to Neeko.. Her passive gut nerfed when they knocked it from 30% to 20%.. then they removed all spell vamp items she would use.. so when i finish a game with 30K damage to enemy champs and it says i only heal for 3-4k.. news flash... that isnt 20%.. cause in that 3-4k is also healing pots.. so over the spam of a game that could be 1k.. so in reality she only heals for 10% or so.. she has a solid kit but her passive need a change..
: When people feed and then use damage graphs as a way of saying "you're bad"
thats when i say "Bitch i was playing Support.." as long as my CC score is up as well as my vision score i know my KDA will also be in line as well..
: My issue with Sylas
the range of his ulti is too big as well.. considering its a point and click its not even like someone can block it for u.. they gave him WAY too much in his kit.. a dash, heal, Shield, point and click abilities with very low mana requirements. I personally dont play him.. he doesnt fit into my champ pool atm. but when im substantially back from him and he is still able to snag my ulti at like what seems like 1200 minimum.. im sure its some where around 1500-1700 range. and he hit people like a truck and heals and shields off it all i think he is a tad unbalanced.. but they wont make him have more skill shots.. but maybe nerfing the range, mana, and ap ratio at least might bring him back into line..
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