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: Where's metroid?
> [{quoted}](name=RedPannda,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HcEUrGoE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-08T03:27:46.226+0000) > > Where's metroid? My guess I feel like we won't see something until E3 since I feel like they really want many people to see it
Wait wait... Really! Man Now I really need a switch, Man it looks hype as hell
: We're testing some direct changes to MF right now, we'll be shipping something on 7.24b. She'll also be getting knocked down a few begs from changes to sorcery that are going out with the patch as well.
I mean I would rather just nerf lethality, or add more arm, since personally, and I get that I don't have all the numbers, but I feel like she ain't really broken just the lack of armor is the problem.
: Gotcha - so basically you're happy as an Enchanter player using Aery and unhappy when you can only use half of the keystone as a Mage player? I can see that. Thanks for the feedback!
My only real dilemma with them is none really feel nice on certain champs, like {{champion:30}}, like I understand the not wanting to just add the extra dmg of DFT but maybe let Airy split if it is hitting multiple champs, cause even right now when I ult as Karth I have no idea where Comet or Airy are going to and it feels a bit cheap thinking that I potentially missed out on a kill cause I needed a bit more dmg.
: > [{quoted}](name=Moonboy65,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2mnr3FFJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-07T00:58:29.710+0000) > > what Someone's never read of Mice and Men lol
> [{quoted}](name=Redcadaver,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2mnr3FFJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-07T00:59:00.960+0000) > > Someone's never read of Mice and Men lol Ohhh OK I am from Mexico and that book was never part of our required reading, thanks for the clarification I was confused
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: got the lancer blitz skin but its not out yet
The skin is out, the problem was a glitch with the STORE, if you bought it before it was taken off the or you get it in a loot chest, then you good to go man, the skin works alright in game
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: Just going to leave this here for the memories
Never noticed in-game but his feet are really janky, almost like elf shoes
: The Gay Couple in Varus's New lore is not the problem
Man, the poll seems so wrong, whats wrong with liking the new lore? The old lore was bland and typical, and though this one offers a bit similarity with the Kayne one the thing that makes it different is HOW they plan to overcome the Darkin, Kayne believes he can overcome it and take control while in Varus lore they hope to defeat it and go back to who they were.
: Varus being CHANGED to Gay feels wrong for his character
Rockman (NA)
: Lets break down why the Varus lore change was a dumb idea
Almighty (EUNE)
: I am not saying she should not be evil, but a good lore should specify why she is evil, what was she before she became evil and when she became evil. The updated lore does not give enough information about the champion. And that's why i find it to be poorly written.
You are asking too much of a placeholder, these are not done in any way and just serve to put them actually in the world of Runeterra before they basically didn't exist, look at Zil, he had no lore for so long and now he does, yet it still doesn't tell us anything about him, what's his plans, or where he gets his powers, yet I don't make a post to complain, learn some patience dude.
Almighty (EUNE)
: Riot, what is this new Morgana "lore"?
Nah its an OK placeholder, and Morgana should be evil, not every character can be gray
: Edited Varus Voice
The breath sound effect at the end of his saying, makes it a bit strange, almost like darth vader, but other than that it was quite good
: Is anyone enjoying the overcharge gamemode?
It is really fun just wish I could play {{champion:203}}
MysterQ (NA)
: Corki is allowed, Draven is allowed. Maybe you just need to own them?
Wait... ohhh that actually makes sense I did not see that {{champion:498}} was in the free rotation and took it solely on which champs didn't appear on the champ select, though that still doesn't explain {{champion:203}} since I do own her. I'll edit those two out.
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: But it is central to his character. Without his hatred of bears, what else is there?
: Let's talk about Vayne
You got to think of her as a more Punisher type character, they both come and kill those they find to be evil and both do it cause they have a sort of vengeance of it but deep down they are also f*cked up individuals, more so than others. Now I personally don't think the idea of her mind being corrupted is a good story point since it kinda dull's who she is at the moment, giving her less potential than others while also making her a bit 1 dimensional from how I feel she is now (and yes I get the whole kill monster troop might be overdone sometimes but her willingness to the cause is what gives her more depth), if we are wanting to see her change then it must be from her struggles agenst both the dark arts and herself.
: Zilean Lore Update
I do wonder if his power is from a rune or if he actually became god-like in power,
Necrozard (EUW)
: Prediction about the incoming massive event (spoiler ?)
A big Icathia event would be nice, some visual updates for some of the older champs, maybe some new voice lines, though in all earnestly I just wonder what is on the table for Zilean, now with his new lore, like I get he is now immortal but is he like god level strength? or just unable to die? I Did his powers come from a rune, or something else? What do they want to take with him, I really hope we see it soon.
: Zilean Visual Update Needed
It would be nice for the old man to look old and not _old_
: Does he still hate Bears tho?
His connection to bears has been left a mystery
: whered u find this?
They are updating the bio's of many champs, but please note that many of these are just placeholders and are subject to change or modification. These are only to give us a taste of their lore and don't tell us their full story, but I am content to get something of the old man, he deserves it. Edit: here's the link:
Ahris (NA)
: 57% winrate, imo zilean mid needs nerf.
Whhaaa? Wrong board mate, this is story go to gameplay to voice any complain you have not here
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: Support sometimes .........
There is only one way to read that Galio line
Sayomi (EUW)
: Winter Wonder Zoe [Skin Concept]
ChuShoe (NA)
: All I took away from zoe's short story is that she's the villain
I mean... was it ever stated that she killed them?
Sukishoo (NA)
: The better skins should have won.
: Another loot exclusive skin?!
I don't get the problem I like these type of skins
: @Riot, how can you mess up something as simple as a bar graph?
: (Quick correction it's petricite.) Yes I do think that Demacia is sexist in its views. Furthermore the idea that it is because of the lack of magic hadn't even crosses my mind and while I was loath to believe that at first I think I am coming to agree. Another Demacian gal we tend to forget about a lot is Quinn. In Quinn's lore she wanted to be a part of Demacia's military force but was always assumed to fail because she was a weak woman. Quinn had to prove herself twice as much as her male counterparts to even be accepted into the elite group. This again leads to the idea that the physical is what is important to them when it comes to social standing. This bit is a very small part of it, but one if the only other female leadership roles you see in Demacia is in Lux's story with the woman that ran the Lightbringers in that town. Now if I'm getting this correct (and this is a bit of a logic leap) but the Lightbringers are an effective religious nunnery. Another tool that was used in the past for control over women was in fact religion. The Catholic church or even Hinduism/Islamic were always sexist and were used a means to control. In the way of the Catholic church this meant giving them a convent to run and do charity work just like how you see in Lux's story. The root of the sexism in Demacia does very much in deed seem to parallel our own history. There is also the fact that Demacia is insular. Historically, change is brought through with an increase in immigration or technological progress. Demacia has been in its own little bubble not dealing any trade with outsiders and not getting any immigrants to spread different ideas the entire time. They are very akin to Japan when they shut off their borders and were completely self-reliant. They were in isolationism for ~200-300 yrs. When the West had finally opened up their borders with a threat, we found that Japan had changed little of its culture or technology all that time. The same follows for Demacia. However, I feel the only problem with calling this actually canon is the problem that Fiora's lore is generally outdated. She didn't get a lore update with the Demacian clan. This makes the most prominent source of evidence for this quite possibly not even true anymore. I do whole-heartedly hope that Riot continues in the direction this thread has analysed for the sole sake of literary diversity.
A couple things I feel should be mentioned. I agree that the army might have looked down on her a bit for being a woman, but do remember they also looked down on her for being a commoner and not of noble birth, this was actually a bit more highlighted in her lore as the main reason rather than just being a woman. Shyvanna allies herself with Demacia and was never really looked down by the people of Demacia for being a woman but more for her correlation with magic, J4 never questioned her ability to fight just by who she is and even hold her in high regards. In the short story about J4, we see that one of the generals he is talking to is a woman, so it does also show that they are capable of having a high position. In Garen's and Lux's short story, of nightmares, one of the heroes under Garen's command was also a female, twin with another one, showing how they can reach a high position even they deem worthy. Now I ain't saying Demacia does not have its sexist problems but it might not be as awful as one makes it.
BoianV (EUNE)
: She was figthing for freedom for her people against Kayle, which doesn't seem too evil to me.
I never read about that in the lore, care to share a link
: @riot Morgana's updated profile...
I have enver understood why people always saw Morgana as gray even when in her lore it was never stated, She always seemed to be evil to me
: > [{quoted}](name=FearfullLuck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ks087X8f,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-11-08T01:19:32.607+0000) > > a pity you don't enjoy her, as for me I actually really like her Can't tell if this is subtle comment supporting %%%%philia or if you enjoy a champ who is about as original as the store brand version of fruit loops.
> [{quoted}](name=Taric the Gay,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ks087X8f,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-11-08T14:26:30.731+0000) > > Can't tell if this is subtle comment supporting %%%%philia or if you enjoy a champ who is about as original as the store brand version of fruit loops. > > Oh so because I like the character it makes me a %%%%phile? get your head out your ass, I like the bubbly personality, she is a fun addition to the seemingly endless edgy characters, her kit seems unique, random, and fun, and while I do find her cute that in no way means I want to f*ck her, so fuck off with the whole " you only like this character if you are a creep and a pervert" I like a character for what they might bring to the game and lore
Destaice (NA)
: Zoe's personality "I'm a girl and I like a boy"
a pity you don't enjoy her, as for me I actually really like her
: I will try to expose things clearly: - Targonians are not divinities, they are an advanced civilization that by means of magic and tech (but mostly magic) was able to travel around space. - Aurelion Sol roamed the universe creating and nurishing his stars when he discovered them, their ability with magic made him taking a liking in them and he started vistig them (not sure if he also taught them something, but he surely viewed them in a sort-of paternal way). - Targonians then enslaved Aurelion Sol, tricking him to wear his current crown. I will add a part of Aurelion Sol Bio: _"As more forms of life emerged to fill the universe, a multitude of primitive eyes gazed up and beheld his work with wonder and breathless pondering. Flattered by this audience of countless worlds, he became fascinated by their fledgling civilizations, who crafted amusingly self-centered philosophies on the nature of his stars. Desiring a deeper connection with one of the few races he deemed worthy, the cosmic dragon selected the most ambitious species to grace with his presence. These chosen few sought to unravel the secrets of the universe and had already expanded beyond their home planet. Many verses were composed about the day the Star Forger descended to a tiny world and announced his presence to the Targonians."_ As you see, targonians are just mortals, very powerful indeed but as a single being they are not on a divine status. That's why I made the comparison to Stargate, if you don't know the movie take a look at it.
It does not state there that the Targonians traveled the stars only that they observed them greatly, almost like Mayan cultures and such, it could be that they discovered him by looking at the stars and likewise? What makes you believe that they are space travelers?
: > [{quoted}](name=FearfullLuck,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RMEmhIXs,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-11-07T18:16:35.685+0000) > > the aspects, which are gods This is where you are wrong, "Targonians" are a race of creatures born in Runeterra that reached the power of travel through space and things like that, so, they left Runeterra after "controlling" Aurelion Sol (with that weird crown that he has). They are basically aliens now, sure, aliens that are seen as gods by the people who lives in Targon now and can take control over people, but they are not real gods as Bard. Bard is a Celestial being, "Targonians" arent. Zoe is a "Targonian"
Alien? Traveled the stars? Where in any part of the lore does it state this? Even in the Pantheon and ASol lore does not mention the idea of them traveling elsewhere. In the universe page of Targon it says nothing about them leaving the mountain. Where did you get this from?
: Zoe loves ezreal but he can't love her back..
I mean.... That is what the plusfire skin are about no?... Oh my god Ez what you do?
: She is a god by human canons, Targonians are just what Stargate egyptian-like "Gods" are: A space travelling race with longer life spans with some cosmic magic added. And most of it comes from the knowledge Aurelion Sol gave them anyway. As some1 else put it, Targon is playing a cosmic Jurassic Park with Aurelion Sol and only recently they relized their grip on him is deteriorating. PLus Aurelion SOl is actively trying to undo their leash.
Huh? I might need you to explain it a bit clearer to me for this. Since the beings such as Bearded Lady, A Sol, and Bard are all beings that can be called Gods of Runeterra, they are not beings that got their power from someone else like the aspects, which are gods inhabiting the mortal realm by giving their power to a human, with the only clear exception being Pantheon as he takes a bit more direct control of them, that those of Leona, Taric or Diana. But when was it ever stated that they got this power by Sol? ASol inhabits the world of Mortals, which is why he seems so omnipotent, but the original beings, those that are giving their power to Leo, Taric and Diana, are still in the Celestial Realm, with apparently no way of coming to Runeterra. Only big exceptions to these are Bard and Zoe, two who travel through the portals and holes of the universe, and managed to make way into Runeterra. Pantheon could be argued a bit since he takes complete control but those bodies he inhabits is still mortal, his OG body is in another reality. It makes complete sense that Zoe can be just as strong if not stronger than Asol
: Please don't buy the new Blitzcrank skin...
I will spend my money as I see fit thank you very much
RosyMiz (NA)
: Change Zoe's Interactions
Korios (EUNE)
: Donuts exist in Runeterra....
: Oh no, you are not going to tell me this is true!
I mean? She is a god, I don't get the problem? It's not the other aspects that are only inhabiting humans in it, she is almost like Bard, using portals to travel between them
SatomiKun (EUW)
: I wouldn't read too much into it. Ezreal is wandering the world, that is his thing. Zoe enjoys the same, she is travelling the worlds looking for fun. On top of that, Ezreal's status as the young and pretty guy of the league. He is just a good candidate as a love interest for Zoe. I doubt that it has a deep meaning, except he has anything to do with her key.
True, I even kinda said it in the post, but I just find it is such a great story point to take Ez as he currently is, in my opinion, the blandest character in the game, only looking for his parents as he explores. This opens so many doors in the lore for him and could even be interested if his parents are lost in one of the holes Zoe uses to travel from. I just think it would be best to use it.
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