momobinx (NA)
: Teemy not so creamy
There are issues with teemo. I've mained him since s3. This is not one of them. Teemo is not supposed to be a champ for everyone either. Also none of the damage values were changed, either, so why would they mention them in the patch notes?
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fmTgHAE7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-19T04:45:00.701+0000) > > Yeah this is a good concept. I think you're aiming it at the wrong champ, though. I'd say yi. trynd, jax, akali, and katarina are all worse in the 1v5 dept than yas. Yi can only 1v5 if the enemy team is severely distracted or extremely scattered when he's super fed. If he just runs into 1v5 in a literal way, he instantly dies without doing anything. Trynd can't 1v5 any more than he survives it and at best he picks off 1 guy if he's caught 1v5. That's why he's always used as a split-pusher and is broken in that sense. Jax can't 1v5, probably 1v3 straight up, but not 1v5. Jax is absurdly strong, yes, but not because he could straight up 1v5. Akali as broken as she is, she can dangle around 1v5 but at best she picks off 1 and at most 2, and if she stays any longer she would die. Kat has to bank on using R to instantly wipe most of the entire enemy team to following up to finish the rest or else 1v5 is but a distant dream. It is only when she gets stupidly ahead when 1v5 is possible. And even then, all it takes is 1 strong CC to nullify her R. Yasuo can literally 1v5 in the most literal way of that phrase. I've won a 3v5 before where the sole reason to why we won was entirely because Yasuo after some stage in the game would reach a critical mass that he just jumps into the enemy team solo and they all die.
Well, against quite a few team comps, especially one that doesn't have any long range cc, champs like {{champion:96}} kogmaw will hit a critical mass and then be able to 1v5 simply because they can kill the entire enemy team from a safe range, or {{champion:51}} because she can protect her own flanks with her traps, also has a huge attack range, and can self peel with her net, or {{champion:67}} vayne because she can spam stealth and %hp true damage op.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: ***
Well, I play league so yeah i wouldn't be doubtful because I've seen how things can be handled. I knew it was worse to go bot. I still did though and I can explain that. Have you ever won a teamfight mid, like right at river in mid, you ace the enemy team and no one on your team dies? It's like 22 min in, only tier one towers are down, and 4 members of your team all run to the cloud drake which is about to respawn? Cloud drake is about the worst obj you could take at that point, and they have to wait 5 seconds for it to spawn anyway. Pushing mid would have been preferable, and the correct play at that point probably would be baron, but that's not what your team wants. I've been told, in situations like that, it is better to coordinate with your team and go with them to do the wrong thing than to try to do the right play(like trying to take mid turret or baron) on your own, especially because if something goes wrong then, your team might mia ping on you and tilt because they all think you're doing the wrong thing and not playing with the team and then you become way more likely to lose. So yeah, I knew it was bad to go bot, and that it would cause more problems than me just doing bad top, but it seemed like my support really didn't want me top anymore, so to prevent her tilting and be a team player, i stopped going top. There was a logical reason to leave top. It was bad logic, but it was still there.
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=93GlexaR,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T04:46:18.030+0000) > > Yes and their answers are the same wholly inadequate ones that my teammates gave. I believe their answers are right on the money. I don't care what you think of their answers because, once again, you've shown that you are willing to lie about trolling no matter how blatant it was with no hesitation.
>once again you've shown that you are willing to lie about trolling no matter how blatant it was with no hesitation citation needed. how have I shown that I am lying this time? I'm not, but i'd love to hear how you think you caught me in a lie.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=93GlexaR,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T04:25:34.497+0000) > > I didn't say you are. You are the public watching the spectacle. You are the "everyone" who is just assuming that the guilty must be guilty. At the same time though, consumers are part of an industry, so in a way you in fact **are** the game industry as much as I am and any single rioter is. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bY_pPslgPE > > this guy lays it out. He does it with cheating as opposed to toxicity, but the same idea applies. Someone is banned for cheating. They say "this ban is wrong, I wasn't cheating." Then many fellow players say "yeah sure buddy, you wouldn't have been banned if you weren't cheating." It's a kafka trap. The guy is guilty until proven innocent, but how do you even prove something like that? How do you prove a negative - like that you **Weren't** toxic or **weren't** cheating? The industry works like this because there are millions of other people who have gotten banned and lied about it. There is no real way to prove your innocence in any given situation in most games, unless you recorded the game you were banned for. Literally everyone in here has seen hundreds of people lie that they were falsely banned, so why should the next person they come across be innocent until proven otherwise?
because that person could be telling the truth.
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=93GlexaR,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T04:35:16.760+0000) > > obvious how? "once a liar always a liar"? That my friend, is the prosecutor's fallacy. Past behavior is not evidence of present guilt. Goes towards credibility, as stated. I'm not about to believe your word that you made those actions with no ill-intent. Your past history of shamelessly lying about trolling coupled with the extreme unlikelihood that you would perform those actions with that description in the OP and **not** be intending to troll pretty much guarantees no one would believe your claim of innocence. This a public board, we don't assign punishment. You asked "How is it toxic?" and people answered based your description.
> You asked "How is it toxic?" and people answered based your description. Yes and their answers are the same wholly inadequate ones that my teammates gave.
macspam (NA)
: Can we just remove the concept of a "1v5 champ" from the game
Yeah this is a good concept. I think you're aiming it at the wrong champ, though. I'd say yi. trynd, jax, akali, and katarina are all worse in the 1v5 dept than yas.
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OMEITpeH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-19T03:25:54.801+0000) > > He can't be effective for the same reason that Kassadin and Teemo aren't allowed to be effective: if they are they're op. They have to be just barely viable to be balanced. How and when has malphite event been op?
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=93GlexaR,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T04:25:34.497+0000) > > I didn't say you are. You are the public watching the spectacle. You are the "everyone" who is just assuming that the guilty must be guilty. At the same time though, consumers are part of an industry, so in a way you in fact **are** the game industry as much as I am an any single rioter is. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bY_pPslgPE > > this guy lays it out. He does it with cheating as opposed to toxicity, but the same idea applies. Someone is banned for cheating. They say "this ban is wrong, I wasn't cheating." Then many fellow players say "yeah sure buddy, you wouldn't have been banned if you weren't cheating." It's a kafka trap. The guy is guilty until proven innocent, but how do you even prove something like that? How do you prove a negative - like that you **Weren't** toxic or **weren't** cheating? You tried to pull this same act previously [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game). No believed your claims that you weren't intentionally feeding because of the overwhelming amount of evidence against you. People should have less reason to believe you now because you have no credibility and people are still just as keen about your obvious facade. Edit: Since OP has deleted that thread, [Here's the google cached version](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:NFb_9b2nzV4J:https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
>obvious facade obvious how? "once a liar always a liar"? That my friend, is the prosecutor's fallacy. Past behavior is not evidence of present guilt.
: ***
>We aren't the game industry I didn't say you are. You are the public watching the spectacle. You are the "everyone" who is just assuming that the guilty must be guilty. At the same time though, consumers are part of an industry, so in a way you in fact **are** the game industry as much as I am and any single rioter is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bY_pPslgPE this guy lays it out. He does it with cheating as opposed to toxicity, but the same idea applies. Someone is banned for cheating. They say "this ban is wrong, I wasn't cheating." Then many fellow players say "yeah sure buddy, you wouldn't have been banned if you weren't cheating." It's a kafka trap. The guy is guilty until proven innocent, but how do you even prove something like that? How do you prove a negative - like that you **Weren't** toxic or **weren't** cheating?
: It's almost like people can tell the difference between a passive-aggressive griefing troll and a friendly player who's sincerely doing the best they can to work with their team and win games. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png
I mean as soon as i went bot we got a double so...
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=93GlexaR,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T03:20:38.508+0000) > > I wasn't retaliating. I was trying to be a team player. I thought she would be happy since i can't feed the toplane if i'm not top. Don't pretend like you can read my mind and know my intentions. Don't spit on my cupcake and call it frosting. We know you trolled. "Hr, hr, they told me I'm bad at top, so I'll leave, I'm such a good boy." We get it. You don't have to be Columbo to unravel the case. You aren't producing an impenetrable smoke screen here. You aren't Chris Angel, no one is mindfreaked. Next time just ignore them and report them instead of ruining things for the entire team.
My bad didn't realize you were a wizard. Tell me now, what color is my underwear? Can you tell that too?
: Riot needs to delete malphite
He can't be effective for the same reason that Kassadin and Teemo aren't allowed to be effective: if they are they're op. They have to be just barely viable to be balanced.
: what she wanted was you to give the keyboard to someone that is 2-3 ranks higher then you but yes she should have just said nothing and kept it to herself us teemo players always get it bad man, just learn to /mute all every single game and afk your win condition.. you cant be banned for refusing to communicate anymore so fk em just play your lane, have a little fun and try to win... otherwise nothing else matters
I still had fun that game lol. i didn't int or flame so i shouldnt be banned anyway.
: Because you were retaliating against someone who was being a jerk to you by trying to be clever and prove a point. Remember, there are other people in the game besides the Zyra that was giving you a hard time. They don't deserve to deal with this petty shit.
I wasn't retaliating. I was trying to be a team player. I thought she would be happy since i can't feed the toplane if i'm not top. Don't pretend like you can read my mind and know my intentions.
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Rioter Comments
: Its fun to watch TF blade losing lane to a silver player because the silver player picked TK
As someone who's mained teemo top since s3, I agree completely. I've seen all manner of meta and this one is insane. TK is objectively busted. The biggest shield in the game. Not even full ap shen can give a shield that big. Then a ranged poke tool with a low cooldown thats basically a better version of mundo q, but with a stun on it too if he's been autoing you. He can also eat you and he gets a short-medium range teleport as an ult that fires way faster than SS-TP. Karma's range, shield with speed boost and healing on her W make her impossible to trade with, even as she pokes under tower. Kennen actually isn't that bad. He can't stun lock with the runaans attack speed build anymore, and his ap build isn't that bad if youre someone who can build a lot of MR. Neeko is really strong because of her really big range and not being able to hide behind minions, low mana costs, and low cooldowns. Hitting any of those things would fix it. Teemo should get a base MS boost, because he's the swift scout. Teemo with boots is still slower than, say, pantheon without boots. That's not very swift. New morde is kind of too strong too, just because of his ult design. The rest of his abilities seem fine, but being able to 1v1 anyone in the middle of a teamfight isn't ok, which isn't just my opinion, but the opinion of riot, which they gave during the poppy rework.
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Resif (NA)
: Increase LP loss for bad performance, decrease LP loss for outstanding performance, and vice versa
Yeah, it's a team game, so a loss could theoretically be on your team and not you, since, as a team game, you rely on teammates. You might be doing everything right, but your teammates just aren't playing as well as you, so you lose through no fault of your own. Maybe like a +3 and -3 more, just a small difference.
Rioter Comments
: Sylas W lifesteal is not okay
Sylas is overloaded. He's like an ap pike it's obnoxious. Nerf like pike.
: Sure, I guess this acct was G1. But I'm not a G1 player. The game should figure that out. And no, its not different than any other season. I'm saying its been this way forever and it sucks. Just like last season, and the season before, and the one before that....
: Kayle and Morg are original champions... Thats the bottom line. Without the original champions game wouldn't even be going right now... You dont need to play every champion.. I personally do play both kayle and morgana...
And? I played old gp. The point is if you're an ad champ that relies on cc morg can completely cuck you for 5 seconds and you have no recourse besides waiting it out.
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TrulyBland (EUNE)
: I mean… it's intended to feel "shitty" given that it is a punishment. But the thing about being able to message other people seems absolutely reasonable to be honest. I don't think making you appear rude to other people is an intended consequence of the punishment; or at least I don't think it should be.
Just being able to message would be fine too, so that you could tell people inviting you that you were put into low priority.
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=euIcEbI8,comment-id=00050000000100010000,timestamp=2019-01-30T18:18:40.315+0000) > > Yet most assassin gap closers are low cooldown. What? Which ones? Everyone assassin's gap closer is at least 14s to 20s long. The oly exception is Kayn's Q which is 5s at the least, but the range is 350. Condemn's range is 550 > > Condemn is 20 fucking seconds. > > and she does NOT build cdr. This is such a terribly flawed argument. *what duel lasts more than 20 seconds? What duel comes even close?* Bringing up the cooldown of condemn is a terribly misleading argument
Yeah i think like, kha leap gets to be around 10 seconds late. But that's irrelevant. He jumped onto her because there was an opening. She just E's him away and then the opening is gone and if he tries to jump on her again she's now safely tucked into her team. Add on top of that botrk slow(which she does build) and there's almost no way to catch her unless she severely misplays, and having to rely on her misplaying is not counterplay. Edit: also, at max rank, her condemn cooldown is 12 seconds. Essence reaver is also not unheard of on her. Nor is new Deaths dance. As a toplaner Triforce is good on her because of Q's low cooldown. She can also go duskblade and if she waits out the stealth on her ult Q she can proc that, and that item gives 10%. I've also seen people on vayne sell popped GA for Cleaver lategame until GA is back up. She does sometimes build some CDR. It's not a stat she prioritizes, but she can and often does get some.
: > [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=euIcEbI8,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-29T23:52:58.779+0000) > > melee carries have to bend over backwards to achieve some kind of win condition. riot takes excessive care that they all have some form of counterplay built into their kits that is present at all stages of the game. > > fioras vitals can be outplayed by outpositioning her, aatrox damage can be avoided by dodging his q, darius has to get 5 bleed stacks on a target before he can pop off, garen is shit against everyone but the villain, even yi has a longass cooldown on his e that only gives him a short window in which he can access his true damage. > > meanwhile you have ranged carries like vayne running around with their steroids on some sort of easily accessable passive. she will always be cancer as long as her w doesnt have some sort of mechanic that you can play around as her opponent. > > a cooldown window on her w would at least be **something**. > > they should be held to the same design standarts as melee carries and have counterplay directly built into their kits. i see no reason why ranged carries keep getting special treatment in that regard. This argument is so flawed and the only way you will ever be able to understand is going and playing adc's so you understand the massive stat differences between melee and range. I would fucking love for range carries to get the same standards as melee that would be a massive improvement. Yi gets q resets and can dash around and be untargetable while also 2 hitting sqishies making him just as bad if not worse than vayne too btw. Darius can kill 1 person with his r to get a 1auto 5 stacks onto anyone else. Garen is extremely simplistic to play so he obviously gets less power. Fiora vitals dive her huge % hp truedamage so of course she has to hit them correctly, but with a low CD dash as reset and repose it's a fluid and powerful kit. Half the characters in the game have damage that you can avoid by dodging their stuff so the aatrox comment feels really hallarious that he is the one and not someone like xerath who has 4 skillshots. Or just mage chars in general. Adcs have to play around divers/assassin's that can kill them instantly at all stanges of the game doesn't even matter I'd the zed is 0/4 still can one shot the ADC. Positioning is more important on ADC than any other class in the game and out of every class typically adc's lack the most cc. Or it's gated behind their long r CD or specific conditions like vayne condemn.
Vayne doesnt have to play around assassins/divers. If they gapclose onto her she just E's them away. It doesn't matter if they hit a wall, she can use E just to create distance and get away, creating even more distance with q so that you can't even flash to get back onto her.
: silver bolts should work like wuju style
The problem with vayne is less her true damage and more her self peel. She can kite with Q very easily, and if someone does manage to get in range she can E them away. E has too much utility as peel for her. It doesn't even need to make them hit a wall for it to be really good because she can just E a darius or Garen or Assassin away then Q away and she's too far away to even flash onto at that point. Even someone like Teemo who should be able to handle her, during the blind she will just E him away, then ult and run him down, stealthing too often for him to trade autos effectively. They should change E to only knock people back if it will hit a wall. Make it like the bard Q. It passes through them and if it hits a wall it pulls them to it and stuns them, because right now it gives her entirely too much safety. Or rework it into a Bolt on a rope that pulls people to her so she can't use it as peel. That would be better since then she couldnt use it to "outplay" assassins who do manage to gap close onto her.
: Can I get banned if i'm having really really bad games...
Well if they can ban the diamond smite nunu support for playing "off meta" even though he usually did well... i'd say you're fucked.
Rioter Comments
: Please dont change Kayle nor Morgana they are great champs... Extra ideas good 4 additional charcter
Morg E is stupid and should be nerfed to not last as long, or be breakable by ad. If you are ad with CC there is no way to deal with it
: That vayne was needed for real, to make her more cancer to deal with
Vayne really didn't need anything. A slight range buff maybe or better itemization(like all marksmen), would have been better. More stealth and mobility just makes her more cancer.
: You know what, you're one of the few people that goes screaming for Q nerfs like lowering the range or speed etc. Instead you actually propose to increase the size of the visual. Nice {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Well like, if thats the size, whatever, i just want to feel like i have a fair shot at dodging. I can't even tell when im going to be hit and when im not
: same with jinx ulti
Blitz q is bad too. I made a post about ashe's arrow years ago, and people trolled "its a huge enchanted arrow, of course it has a big hitbox"
: Tbh Id rather have those 10 minute shrooms back. Or at least make the timer scale with level
as a teemo main, i agree. I liked that better. Timer scaling with level or ap or cdr even would be good.
: So, Can we Finally Talk About Teemo Realistically in a Non-bitchy Way?
His shrooms used to last 10 minutes. They cut it to 5 and gave them a gimmicky bounce feature to compensate. Quit your bitching.
: Champions stuck outside the meta
teemo has been outside the meta since s3. I have mained him since s3. I think the runes reforged system was a net nerf to him and a lot of champs in terms of diversity. All the same, I basically onetrick teemo. ":outside meta" really only means unpopular among pros.
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Takazaki (NA)
: TL was worse, literally everyone used it. not everyone can get work out DH, but a lot of champs can
yeah exactly. thats what im saying. thunderlords was far worse than DH is now.
: What is a meta? Apparently its 1 rune that is so op, it practically wins you the game no matter what
Rioter Comments
: Probably the two most cringy things people can say in league.
Yeah, my team takes my farm all the time when I'm behind. This is in silver. They're like "you gotta be good enough to last hit it". And i'm like, "You're fed and can kill a minion that has 2/3 hp, while i need to wait for it to be under a quarter hp" and they just say "git gud"
: There will always be toxic players in video games, but doesn't it feel like it's getting worse?
Anything you try to regulate tends to get worse. Look at the opioid epidemic. People have done nothing but crack down on it, and it does nothing but get worse. If they stopped banning for "toxic" and put personal responsibility on players to use mute buttons, i think things would get better.
ranyhin2 (NA)
: If you get banned for THIS, what CAN you say?
This isn't toxicity. This entire community needs some perspective. Go on a random chan board, 9gag and the pre google buyout youtube comments section. That's real toxicity. The things the league community call toxicity is truly laughable to other communities, which is why the community is so toxic compared to other communities. They scream "ban him" at the drop of a hat. It seems paradoxical, but, the stricter community rules are, the more toxic the community in general. Look at soviet russia. Very strict laws, very toxic society. Same with Nazi germany. Very strict laws, very toxic society.
: > [{quoted}](name=FenjaminBranklen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HNZ62JHh,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-05T04:36:03.346+0000) > > In 1940s Germany, being a jew was punishable with death. Their house their rules, right? Oh, that's "different". Why can't we look at rito's rules with the same scrutiny? Because League of legends is a recreational video game that you're completely free to stop playing if you don't like what the rules are. Riot has rights over their game.
Yes, and HItler had rights over germany, and by extension people in germany. As someone currently living under laws, you would do well to learn what "rights" you have over "your" things.
Ulanopo (NA)
: Here's the thing: Riot can't tell you agreed. Moreover, Riot can't tell you ALL agreed. Yeah, the situation sucks. There's a lot of reasons why it has to work that way, most of which boil down to the other options being worse, but that doesn't make it suck any less. Next time, remember that you have to play it out. That's the only way to stay out of trouble.
If we "have to play it out" get rid of the forfeit function. People aggregating do not make bad actions good.
: >edit 2: "Because rito doth proclaim" is not an argument. Riot is a company of people. People are not infallible. Your starting question is "How can there be a forfeit function if "giving up" is reportable?". Giving up is punishable because "rito doth proclaim" so. It would be just as easy (if not easier) to not punish for it, but Riot has decided that was against the rules. They are within the same rights to allow the forfeit option. The reasoning behind each decision is certainly different, but it is ultimately Riot's decision. There's no sense in allowing a game to continue if a super-majority of the team has decided there is little hope of victory. But a single person deciding for the rest of the team to place them at a disadvantage is not okay and should be discouraged.
Why does this board exist then?
: Everyone has the right to initiate a surrender. Just that not all your teammaye agrees. If the vote is not unanimous then you must continue to play your best. Until the game naturally runs its course. You can alt f4 but I suspect that will eventually get you a fat ban. Not if just when.
Why? if it's not ok for one person to alt F4, why is it acceptable when 4 people want to do something functionally the same?
rujitra (NA)
: Because that's a game mechanic. If you don't like the game mechanics in league, feel free to find another game.
"Slavery is just a fact of society". I'm aware that it is a mechanic. I'm saying that either it, or the " report for giving up category" need to leave as they are contradictory.
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