This is most likely your problem https://youtu.be/-TWrEOGNrVY?t=167

I can't say I agree with you. Akali is extremely fuckin obnoxious. If anything she needs some nerfs. She is too fuckin safe for the kind of damage she can put out. With Zed, you can bait out his W and his Ultimate can be predicted if you take the time to observe. Akali though, is just so fuckin impossible to catch and she has zero problems catching you. Let her ultimate stay the way it is until they decided to cut down on how safe Akali is.

Did you make this thread simply to boast about how right you were?

Some days are like that where you get nothing but feeders. Can't be helped. Just ride it out.

That's an American thing. I mean watch their movies. It's always some story about the underdog winning by overcoming some kind of adversity through sheer will. This theme is in all their movies, Rom-coms, action, Sci-fi, fantasy. Now we have this new Mary Sue phenomenon that's infecting American movies where some 90 lb girl is beating up men twice her size without any kind of training and Americans buy into that. It's embedded very deeply in American culture. They aren't told that for every success story there are about a thousand failures. They all grow up believing that all they have to do is believe and they will find success. No hard work, no sacrifice just believe and you will succeed. I mean look at Star Wars. The main character succeeds at everything she does just by believing. It's never about hard work or sacrifice. And this movie made hundreds of millions of dollars in America. What does that tell you. Americans love this shit. They love the idea of being the best with no hard work involved. Watch that one movie about how Facebook was founded. They never show all the sleepless nights he had programming the whole thing. He just gets in idea, spends 5 minutes of screen time implementing it and boom instant success. I mean come on. I am a programmer and I know that's bullshit. They also don't show the 1000 other people who also had the same idea but failed for various reasons. So of course this spills over into gaming where they think they can go 0-13 but as long as they believe, they can win. Americans are generally misguided on what makes a person successful at something. Belief in yourself is important, I'm not saying no. But belief alone won't give you success. You must work at succeeding. Also, more specifically to League, there was actually a time when come backs were extremely common and a game that's 5-15 at 13 minutes didn't mean game over. This "never surrender" idea was born in that time when it was actually relevant. People are slow to catch onto the fact that Season 9 League is not the same as Season 5 League.

See, people like you is why I leave games. There is no logic to your argument at all. When the game is 2-29 at 17 minutes, being in promos doesn't make it any more likely you will win. If these people wanted to win their promos then they should not have fed. If we're 2-29 before 20 minutes and you guys don't ff, I'm leaving that game. Seriously sick of people that like to waste time in unwinnable games.

I'm fine with you missing all your Qs. But if you go 0-13, don't expect me to be a nice guy about it.

Thx. I'll try that.

Tell me exactly how is a 0-0-0 level 7 Kayle with {{item:1036}} {{item:1036}} {{item:1001}} supposed to help a 0-3 Veigar with {{item:1026}} {{item:1001}} vs a level 9 7-0 Yasuo with {{item:3087}} {{item:3006}} {{item:1038}}. We're assuming after Veigar fed Yasuo the first 3 kills, they had a random skirmish near the dragon while I was under tower desperately trying to farm in top lane vs a Renekton or something. We're assuming the Yasuo picked up the 4 extra kills there which is often the case in these kinds of games. Perhaps I should leave top lane and not collect the minions crashing into my tower and go help with my 2 Long Swords....right? Because that will surely work.

If that were true, I'd have been banned on all my accounts. I call someone garbage at least once a day. Streamers do it all the time though in a more passive aggressive way. You see what people don't get about how bans work is that they are about "fostering a negative environment". Telling someone they are trash one time is hardly enough to foster a negative environment. When you go on and on about how bad someone is and harass them all game, then it becomes a problem. Let me give you an example of something I do very often. Lets say I get into a match. I'm top lane. My mid starts feeding, jungle is feeding, and bot lane is feeding. My chat might go something like this:- Me: ff at 15 please Me: I hate playing with garbage fuckin players like you guys. And that's it. I don't write novels in chat about how bad my team is. I'm guessing that Riot knows that we are only human and allows some breathing room to express frustration so long as we don't over do it. I've yet to ever get punished for this kind of thing. I've gotten many chat bans and quite a bit of 14 day bans but it was always after I droned on and on in chat. Never for one or two lines of text.

You don't get banned unless you go on and on about it all game which I don't do. I'll tell you you're trash and not say anything else after that for the rest of the game.

Er...what? What are we talking about here? Can't seem to pin down what you're actually talking about here.

> [{quoted}](name=Wolity,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q7VdFVxB,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-12-13T07:30:34.060+0000) > > I prefer to have 0/8 person that is super friendly and going 0/8 for a reason , maybe learning a new champion or something. I would honor him and maybe add him in my friendlist , help him to understand the,champion In norms I agree 100%. Not in ranked. If you come in my ranked game to go 0-13, I'm gonna tell you what a trash ass noob I think you are. I don't care how friendly or how much of a nice guy you are. Take that nice guy shit to norms or ARAM. I want people who know what the fuck they are doing in ranked and I don't care how toxic you are as long as you're good or at least not feeding out of your ass.

Yea I know it's ultimately meaningless who gets honored. But how a person chooses who to honor reveals something about how they judge other people in game. In this case, I wanted to know if the general preference is for a team mate that is polite or a team mate that's good. Based on all the responses in this thread, it seems there is a heavy preference for polite team mates which I admit is quite shocking. I find it quite fascinating that people would prefer a polite feeding shitter over a good player who is an asshole. I'd take asshole team mates 24/7 if they are good.

lmao

Yea, Iron IV has those kinds of players.

I get LP from the toxic Twitch with 18 kills, not the 1/8 Lee on his "best behavior". The Twitch gets my honor. I don't give a fuck about who was on their best behavior, I only want to win.

Wait, you mean that 0-13 Yasuo in my game was a bot? Do they program them to rage at the jungler?

This sounds like something I rather have on my team over the typical feeding SoloQ shit.

lol

>I have no doubt you're capable of distorting the facts and events that took place in order to achieve your goals. What goal? Convincing you that you're wrong? You made a point and I laid out personal life experiences that contradicted that point. Nothing more. If you don't believe it, fine, but don't you dare think that you are so important in my world that I'd actually want to fabricate something to win an argument with you on the internet. Seriously, who are you other than some random person on the internet? I love interacting with people online, especially in forums like this. I like debating and reading other people's ideas and whatnot. However, fabricating an elaborate lie just to win an argument on the internet is just fuckin stupid and I gain nothing by doing it. No random internet person is so important to me that I must convince them of anything by lying. Lying convincingly actually takes some effort. No stranger online is worth that kind of effort. What I experienced really is how things are where I'm from. If you don't believe me, that is fine. I don't care enough to convince you. This might come as a shock to you but I'm completely fine with both of us going our separate ways believing whatever the hell we want.

I started in Season 5. Snowballing was there but it was never anywhere near this bad. In season 5, it was actually possible to put up a fight while having a 0-17 bot lane. Yes, I'm not exaggerating. You could have won games in season 5 while having a 0-17 bot lane. It's an almost blasphemous thing to say today. Don't get me wrong, it's not like Season 5 didn't have it's share of problems(remember Rylais when it had 100 AP, 500 HP and a 40% slow) but games were sure fun as fuck back then.

> [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q7VdFVxB,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-12-13T02:31:17.394+0000) > > That aside it's interesting how you complain about intentional feeders yet do everything in your power to get non-intentional feeders banned (and therefore make it harder to catch actual legitimate inters) simply because they didn't play to your standards. I addressed this in another post:- > However, I believe that if enough of us do this, it would force some kind of action. If enough players protest through false reporting maybe it can finally get Riot to recognize just how fuckin frustrating SoloQ typically is because of some asshole trash going 0-15. > > I don't really want them to ban feeders. I want them to fix snowballing so that feeders won't make games so hopeless. If reporting all feeders is what it takes then so be it. It may not work, but I'll keep doing it as long as I play until someone recognizes that this is a serious problem or until I just quit. Although it's not really about getting feeders banned but drawing attention to how frustrating SoloQ is because of feeders. I have to admit though, I won't be sad if some of them get banned. > Also how would you like it if someone reported you and got you banned simply because you didn't play well and had a bad score line? I have been the target of malice for feeding before and guess what, I didn't mind because I knew they had every right to be mad. I almost never go shit like 0-13 in a ranked game but when it does happen and people rage at me or call me names, I don't even report them and I'm more mad at myself for sucking so much than I am at the people raging at me.

Need more context on this Kayle backing thing. Was she low health? Low mana? As a Kayle main myself, I often find myself backing at the most inopportune times. 50% of the time it's because of having no mana. 20% of the time it's because I don't have my ultimate. Kayle is incredibly weak in the early and mid game without her ultimate. Unless you and your team are very ahead it is NEVER a good idea to take any fight without your ultimate, even for objectives. They would kill you and get the objective anyway. I've starting building Tear 1st just so that I don't have to back so many times because I ran out of mana. Another reason I back is to complete an item, mainly Nashors. The difference between {{item:3101}}+{{item:3108}} and {{item:3115}} is fuckin huge. Having a completed Nashors can make all the difference in a fight and I will often prefer to skip the next fight to have it.

Ranked is 1000x more toxic than norms.

For me this is the person that saves us from losing the game. It is always fun to play with a guy who is stomping the shit out of the enemy team while 3 of your team mates are doing their best to lose. That Twitch was a toxic little asshole but I'd play with him any day of the week over those 3 feeding shitheads.

A simpler solution would be to fix snowballing so that some trash can going 0-15 won't make games nearly impossible to win. Reducing kill gold by 60% might just do the trick.

Ah, I see what you're saying now. It ultimately works against me is what you're getting at. However, I believe that if enough of us do this, it would force some kind of action. If enough players protest through false reporting maybe it can finally get Riot to recognize just how fuckin frustrating SoloQ typically is because of some asshole trash going 0-15. I don't really want them to ban feeders. I want them to fix snowballing so that feeders won't make games so hopeless. If reporting all feeders is what it takes then so be it. It may not work, but I'll keep doing it as long as I play until someone recognizes that this is a serious problem or until I just quit.

I have NEVER honored and NEVER will honor someone who goes 1/8, EVER!!!

Fuck that. I'm playing for LP not to make friends.

Well, until Riot decides to fix snowballing, I will keep reporting feeders, intentionally feeding or not. I even send tickets to report feeders when it's really bad. I don't enjoy half my games being nearly impossible to win because some noob decided to go 0-15. This shit is not fun and you cannot expect me to play under those conditions without protest.

It's such a pain to find 5 reliable players and then for them to ALL be online when you have the time to play.

My point exactly.

I don't care about you or anyone else here so much that I'd make up such an elaborate lie. It takes no effort to speak the truth.

I don't fuckin like feeders, legitimate or otherwise. I honestly do not care if someone gets banned for going 1-15, even when it wasn't intentional. I want them gone. I don't want to play with them. I don't want them in my games. If they get banned accidentally, good riddance.

> [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q7VdFVxB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-12T22:28:14.346+0000) > > Imagine someone like that in real life. They're on your basketball team and they're way better than everyone else but they're complete douchebags. They'd get kicked off the team sooner or later because they'd kill the team morale. The majority of people don't want to play with assholes, even if it means winning. Actually you are so very wrong about this. I grew up in a community where sports is embedded deeply into it's culture. Not a single person grows up here without having played a sport at some point in their lives. My community lives and breathes sports. The main sport is football, what you Americans call Soccer. I played quite a bit of it when I was younger though I was never very good at it. Anyways, they guys who were great at it were sometimes, the biggest assholes. They would rip into you whenever you fuck up and made sure you never forget about it for the next month. It was harsh. And guess what....everyone still wanted to play with them. Guys would literally quarrel over who gets the best players. No one cared that they can be assholes. They wanted the best team possible. And when these players tear into you over missing an easy goal or getting easily outplayed, it only made others want to play better so they are not the ones being made fun of for being trash. Good players had no problem getting on a team. Hell, good players would get drafted even when they had no intention of playing. They might be on the way to the shop or something and guys would literally beg them to come and play. And if you were a shit player, it didn't matter how nice of a guy you were, no one was begging you to play. In fact, they would beg you not to. The only way you're ever getting to play is when players are scarce and sometimes, they would rather play a man short than have a shit player on their team. I don't know where you grew up but this is how the competitive nature of boys and men work. I mean even today I still get ribbed by my friends about how shit I was at football and guess what, there's no love lost. We are all still good friends. I was shit at it and there's nothing wrong with that or talking about it. America with it's PC culture somehow forgot what the competitive spirit is about. "Toxic masculinity" is all the rage now and boys are no longer allowed to be boys because "feelings". This makes me glad I'm not American.

> LP Gains > Feelings I feel the exact same way. I can mute your words. I can't mute LP loss.

> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q7VdFVxB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-12T22:21:27.079+0000) > > That's...A terrible mindset. Wanting innocent players to get banned by mistake simply because they underperform in a match? Come on, dude. Having to play a game where one or more people are just hardcore feeding out their ass is such a horrible and tremendously frustrating experience. Even if every single one of them is nice, friendly and encouraging in chat, it doesn't change the experience. On the flip side, if we are all doing well, getting fed, getting objectives but everyone is toxic as fuck, it never bothered me. I simply cannot be mad at a guy who is raging in all chat while carrying our asses. I can't help that. I just hate feeders and trash players so much because there are just so many of them. I would rather play with a toxic team that is good than a nice and friendly team of trash ass feeding garbage players.

Found your problem right here. > [{quoted}](name=HAVENFELL,realm=EUNE,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=b2R9tHvJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-08T23:04:16.728+0000) > > In one single division (Bronze/Silver) the player skill is so wide that it doesn't make it possible for any decent player to have a decent advancement. No one is decent in Bronze/Silver. This is why they are Bronze/Silver. A decent player would have climbed out of that cesspool of noobs and feeders relatively easily.

6 ? Please bro. I had 13 games of this recently.

> [{quoted}](name=citlalli5755,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=ZjtfbqM7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-11T07:51:41.521+0000) > > just my most recent game, player goes 1/9 ~~and afks lol. gotta love riot's rank system, cuz I still lose LP over someone's AFK.~~ Corrected that for you. You didn't lose because he went afk. You lost because he went 1/9. I don't blame him for leaving. You guys should have left too. Someone that feeds 1/9 in lane has lost the game for you. Whether they stayed or not after that point will not change the outcome.

ARAM always had bots. You just have to raise your MMR until you don't get them anymore.

> [{quoted}](name=KnightLakega,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kkmtxMqT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-12T07:25:15.256+0000) > > I play around Gold/diamond out of rank constantly get players of this elo and I do much better in games, and I know how to work with these players. THat honestly feels like heaven for me in games) I cringe every time some Bronze player says this. Just because you play with Gold and Diamond players in Norms or ARAM doesn't mean you are their level. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are better than you actually are just because you did well playing with some Diamond or Gold player. Higher ranked players don't tryhard in Norms. They play Norms to relax and first time champions or experiment with builds which often turn out to be sub-optimal or just plain troll. And for the record, I'm a Gold player and let me be the first to tell you that you're giving that elo far too much credit. If you think Gold players are super skilled players that play like "Heaven", you're in for a rude awakening if and when you finally get here. The only fundamental difference between a Gold and Bronze player is consistency. Bronze players would go 20-1 one game and go 0-13 the next. While they won't go 20-1 every game, Gold players go 0-13 a lot less in their games which is why they are Gold. Literally the only difference.

There is a little known feature in the game that can solve problems like this. First, you must bring up the chat by pressing your "Enter" key. Then type these three characters, "/ff". Then you press "Enter" again. From that point you wait and pray that your team is at least smart enough to do the right thing. You can thank me later.

The bots can only be found in Co-op vs AI where they are not really a problem. It's not that difficult to 1v5 AI bots.

If you surrendered, they wouldn't have to leave those awful matches.

Yea, It's very fuckin annoying.

Spot on.