Hibeki (NA)
: Just a friendly reminder, quitting/leaving when the team doesnt want to ff is against the game rules
I mean, I won't leave my games, but if it's being held hostage (which happens more often than the boards would like to think) then I won't blame or report my team mates if they want to leave. If they are more than double our kills, have dragon soul, and turrets are 6 to 1 in their favor and the toxic duo still wants to drag the game out? All power to you if you want to leave. I won't do it, but I won't report you for it either.
: We need a juggernaut type of champion coming from Ionia and I have an Idea :D
Your character concept is the basic shonen anime/manga OC, with too much edge and no substance. Think what you want my guy, but Sett is in no way related to your post.
Auron VI (NA)
: Game should auto disband party after a teammate bans yr champ when u hover it, and ban that person
Depends on the queue. Its a dick move in normals, but if it is ranked and a new champion is out, you better believe I'm not letting it in any of my soloqueue games for their first 2 weeks as a safe buffer.
: > [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=69QnI8Yh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-04T16:38:01.436+0000) > > how is shyvanna a good pick for elo? everytime i see enemy shyvanna i know i got my win in the bag because she does absolutely nothing early game and has no cc for the late game > maybe if u talk about low elo, but anything is good low elo lol It's MY secret pick. I don't build her AP, I build her with attack speed jungle - trinity- blade - whatever else. Especially with the jungle changes with spawns, she can now stand out more with her power farm capabilities and being around the map constantly. Her ult can pretty much come back up within a minute as well which leads to non stop solid ganks. Fast dragons as well. There's a lot of things and small tricks with her that I haven't seen anyone do. Again, no one plays Shyvana like how I play Shyvana. She is special to me because I can do things no one else can do with the champ as they just think she's trash. She is only trash in peoples eyes because instead of capitalizing on her strengths, they just compare her to other champions unreasonably.
Sure about that? Your op.gg shows you have two games on the champion, so that 100%win rate is kinda useless. Also, the only Shyvana game you played in the past two months was a single aram which was a 12/12 loss. Also also, the op.gg history seems SUPER suspicious with all of those bot games and your scorelines/builds. You probably botted your account. Maybe don't draw attention to yourself.
: I wonder if we will have more extension on the Darkin Lore
Didn't you say you regret bringing Varus up? Riot needs to absolutely BURY the darkin storyline until they re-rework/revert Varus's lore. However, if you do love Varus, as your name would suggest, and you are a fan of lore, I have been working on a rework of his lore to fit Riot's vision, as well as tie into his original lore and League Judgement, and I would be happy to share it with you to get your thoughts. I had been on the idea of Varus as a darkin since season 4, and it was just bittersweet to see the cost of that realization. Let me know what's up and we can coordinate.
: One more Music Band I want to see as a Skin Line
I agree with pretty much everything, but keep Varus out. Riot's screwed him over enough. Unless it it to fix/revert his lore, I hope Riot forgets he exists.
usul1202 (NA)
: Champion icons for mastery 8?
Give a special icon or skin that's only available for acquisition after hitting a million mastery points. The true flex skins.
: Every Runeterra's way of being a furry (surprisingly not a shitpost)
Is Azir a furry? Not sure, so I won't dispute it, but we hadn't ever seen him in his ascended form. At least, not his skin or anything. His form is hidden behind his whole get-up and mask, and that is styled after the Phoenix I believe, given its Egyptian origin. He could look like a man underneath it all.
m0zz4r3ll4 (EUNE)
: The only real issue with the old supp items was {{item:3312}} and all it needed was a simple nerf The supp role (which is already the least popular role) sucks now
Not sure if support was the least popular. 5 out of the 5 times that I queued fill, I got ADC so.... it indicates otherwise.
: Remove Stormrazor
False? I can consistently hit full or near full build to include stormrazor from time to time in most games.
: We NEED point and click hard cc.
False? I mean, I'd like to see your definition of counterplay, because as I see it, counterplay is the ability for one player to best another player through proper use of your kit. I dont know, I kight have misworded that. It was on the spot. Essentially, point and click CC eleminates counterplay and skews any interaction to be one sided in most cases. ------------------------ Here's an example of good counterplay: The other day I'm playing Varus and I'm getting pretty ahead. The enemy Vladamir is also getting pretty ahead topside as well. I took my turret so we swap top and bottom. I'm now facing Vlad in top lane, alone because the support roamed mid. Vladamir sees this and goes in on me. He deals a lot of damage, but falsely anticipates my ultimate and mismanages pool. Because he does this I am able to line up chain of corruption, and summarily win the fight. Either champion could have won that, and both had the chance to win. Had he held onto pool and extended the trade out, he may have pressured me to use ult and he could have used pool to counterplay, dodge, and secure the kill and shutdown onto me. That is proper counterplay and decent design. Imagine if Varus ult were point and click. Pool or no, that fight would have been a wash and Vladamir would have little to no means to counteract any fight with Varus in this scenario. Just something to think about.
Rαy (EUW)
: Remember the importance cLaRiTy? Red Buff and Blue Buff circles are too hard to see
But they look sooooo nice, especially with infernal skins or primarily blue ones respectively. I ain't even mad.
JustClone (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Firebeard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=phHFRIEF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-21T13:02:43.883+0000) > > Just a question then: Do you not understand the idea that "Supports should know their place?" > > Supports have a massively important job and hold a lot of control over 2-3 players at all times for the first 10-15 minutes of every game. You might disagree, but supports do "have their place" and I for one do get heated when I see mages pretend to be supports and neglect their place as a support and say lol imma carry. > Sometimes it works for them, but usually it just puts the ADC behind, overexposes yourselves to ganks/roams, and usually they are more focused on bush camping than more important supportive duties like establishing vision, roaming, and taking control of the bottom river. A support that "knows their place" is a massive benefit to a team, and moreover a pleasure to lane with, win or lose. A 'support' that doesn't "know their place" is more often than not a liability and leech on resources from a role that really can't afford to fall fat behind. > > That's my view on the matter at least. Just wanna point out, that I have 83% win rate as AP varus support in your elo this season. And no , I am not "massive benefit" to the team. I am absolute replacement for AD varus mains like yourself, making your role in that elo obsolete. At the same time, I do know "my place". Providing and clearing vision, roaming, etc... https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=bus+load+of+kids We know are place, sure. And yours is to AFK PVE FARM minions, and complain 24/7 giving orders to support, who are carrying you. It is what I have seen this season. P.S, you shold see me not-trolling and playing my mains lux or xerath. You can literally AFK from the first minute of the game, and noone will ever notice...
> [{quoted}](name=JustClone,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=phHFRIEF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-21T13:28:38.773+0000) > > Just wanna point out, that I have 83% win rate as AP varus support in your elo this season. And no , I am not "massive benefit" to the team. I am absolute replacement for AD varus mains like yourself, making your role in that elo obsolete. > > At the same time, I do know "my place". Providing and clearing vision, roaming, etc... > > https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=bus+load+of+kids > > We know are place, sure. And yours is to AFK PVE FARM minions, and complain 24/7 giving orders to support, who are carrying you. > > It is what I have seen this season. > > P.S, you shold see me not-trolling and playing my mains lux or xerath. You can literally AFK from the first minute of the game, and noone will ever notice... 83% winrate in 6 games is really no pool. Compare that to my 60% winrate with 105 games in soloqueue with AD Varus and then talk to me about how Varus should be played. That's petulant as hell and an inflated statistic. Play 100 games of AP Varus support and I bet my account that you can't maintain an 80% winrate. 83%... what a joke. P.S, you're exactly what I was talking about when I was mentioning 'supports' that are actually just leeches on their ADC's. You don't support anything but yourself.
: Damage went up they said.
> [{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0FZ5p5Bk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-21T13:11:06.235+0000) > > Damage went up they said. And it did.
Mcmxcix (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Teddy Two Gloves,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qA8RmBo2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-21T09:06:24.862+0000) > > the community does not know support balance at all. supports were disgusting for a very long time, its good they're shittier now. > > if youre going oom its your own fault, you have biscuits and manaflow. what are u talking about? Enchantress supports are the nerfed Champions in LoL since 201 7, do some research and tell me when was the last time you saw Sona, Nami, Janna, Karma, Lulu, Soraka, Morgana in worlds? exactly, NEVER. (KEEP IN MIND, I SPECIFIED SUPPORTS) While others "NON" Support were all the time at worlds like Puke, Rakan, Nautilus, Braum, Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona and Trash.
> [{quoted}](name=Mcmxcix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qA8RmBo2,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-21T09:28:16.352+0000) > > what are u talking about? Enchantress supports are the nerfed Champions in LoL since 201 7, do some research and tell me when was the last time you saw Sona, Nami, Janna, Karma, Lulu, Soraka, Morgana in worlds? exactly, NEVER. (KEEP IN MIND, I SPECIFIED SUPPORTS) > > While others "NON" Support were all the time at worlds like Puke, Rakan, Nautilus, Braum, Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona and Trash. All of those "NON" supports you mentioned are definitely supports. Pyke is a bit more questionable, but even then, all the rest are undoubted. You're actually memeing and it's not funny. If you want to get on NON supports, mention Brand, Neeko, Lux (arguable), Fiddlesticks and the like. Then we can talk.
Lost R (NA)
: "Supports should know their place"
Just a question then: Do you not understand the idea that "Supports should know their place?" Supports have a massively important job and hold a lot of control over 2-3 players at all times for the first 10-15 minutes of every game. You might disagree, but supports do "have their place" and I for one do get heated when I see mages pretend to be supports and neglect their place as a support and say lol imma carry. Sometimes it works for them, but usually it just puts the ADC behind, overexposes yourselves to ganks/roams, and usually they are more focused on bush camping than more important supportive duties like establishing vision, roaming, and taking control of the bottom river. A support that "knows their place" is a massive benefit to a team, and moreover a pleasure to lane with, win or lose. A 'support' that doesn't "know their place" is more often than not a liability and leech on resources from a role that really can't afford to fall fat behind. That's my view on the matter at least.
: New Support item = ff if adc goes dc?
Unfortunate circumstances. At that point sell support item and say fuck it with AP Janna.
Rioter Comments
Jacksin (OCE)
: A Vladmir voice-over PLEASE!!!
But you see, way back in season 3 or 4 I only started playing him because he had so many blood puns. I am a sucker for puns. I don't want riot to give him an edgy "unique" VO and do what they did to Ezreal by getting rid of his lovably spammable "you belong in a museum."
Sephi51 (EUW)
: GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DEACTIVATE YOUR ANNOYING GRAPHIC EFFECTS FOR DRAKES
: Senna is not a support, no matter what Riot says.
"Defensive choices are not global." *laughs in* {{champion:3}}, {{champion:98}}, and {{champion:16}} Didn't even read after that line. OP is mad
: "A small loan of a mil dollars?" But well, that's more of a meme name. If the rework is not to be done, I still want the buff for grievous wounds to fail to apply during his R, will make him hold a reasonable spot on the tier list. Maybe Tier B or A. Won't be S.
> [{quoted}](name=McDonaldsTrumpet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uR08JHJ2,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-17T17:43:09.363+0000) > > "A small loan of a mil dollars?" > > But well, that's more of a meme name. If the rework is not to be done, I still want the buff for grievous wounds to fail to apply during his R, will make him hold a reasonable spot on the tier list. Maybe Tier B or A. Won't be S. That is my hardest no, personally. If I can't rely on my team to be able to peel Olaf off of me as the ADC, I want to at least retain the ability to duel him to some capacity, because then he can just run it down with Visage, Deaths Dance and Cleaver or whatever and i have no choice but to flash out and render myself out of the fight or die simply because the man pressed R.
: Teemo Riot please Read
We aren't summoners. Riot is allergic to good lore.
: Can we make Olaf a late game champion?
Missing a vote option for if you don't want the rework.
: Varus and Kayn update/ story continuations
Unpopular but correct opinion: Varus needs a lore revert and an entirely new attempt at updating his lore based on the true source content. I remember you Theshan, what Riot did to you was unjust.
Zeanix (OCE)
: From Metal, to KPop, to Hip Hop. Props to everyone who worked each band skin
: > [{quoted}](name=Firebeard,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=00470000,timestamp=2019-11-14T12:48:15.802+0000) > > Varus had a kid. He had a wife and child. It was the sight of the broken bodies of them as well as those of his parents that had driven him to free the corruption/malevolent spirit of Pallas and condemn himself for the opportunity to bring ruin to those who'd delivered him the same. > Not saying Leona or Diana can't or shouldn't be lesbians, but be mindful of what you reference. I assumed you referenced Valmar and Kai for the bury the gays reference, but that story both never needed to happen, and never should have come to pass. Riot stopped caring about good lore in favor of what they project to sell best or promote good PR. > > {{champion:110}} "The life of an arrow is fleeting, built of nothing but direcrion and intent." The reference was just to the trope how many modern media and such introduce gay characters only to [kill](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuryYourGays) them off. I'm with you on how jarring and out of the blue Varus's shift was, I was a fan of his old lore as it made him sympathetic with his power/corruption. Now it's just an awkward combination of two gay men in a pair of hot topic assless chaps that a darkin is wearing. I'm just worried about how they will handle Leona and Diana's story, be it romantic (which im hoping it is) or not. Yeah the company is just that, a company whose goal is to sell things. But there is a soul and a passion behind these characters. There is a conflict of interest behind a creation's story and a goal to make money which makes me hesitant about any direction they take with these characters I love.
> [{quoted}](name=immafukthemoon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=004700000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T22:50:50.645+0000) > > The reference was just to the trope how many modern media and such introduce gay characters only to [kill](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuryYourGays) them off. I'm with you on how jarring and out of the blue Varus's shift was, I was a fan of his old lore as it made him sympathetic with his power/corruption. Now it's just an awkward combination of two gay men in a pair of hot topic assless chaps that a darkin is wearing. > > I'm just worried about how they will handle Leona and Diana's story, be it romantic (which im hoping it is) or not. Yeah the company is just that, a company whose goal is to sell things. But there is a soul and a passion behind these characters. There is a conflict of interest behind a creation's story and a goal to make money which makes me hesitant about any direction they take with these characters I love. In which case I learned a new term. My first time coming across "bury your gays." I never really noticed it myself, and I find it somewhat confusing as to why they would be killed off so often, but it does seem to be an interesting issue.
: So how exactly do I buy champions?
Not anything helpful, I just really like your account name. For reasons.
: Impossible to get an S on Kindred
Also factors like ward score, gold, damage output/game durration. At least, that's what I think.
: I mean they can't really ruin {{champion:14}} for the most part... prolly hardly ever touch him again anyways heh... I'm a bit leery but hopeful for {{champion:110}} cause they completely lost who he originally was but then put at least _some_ of what he was back... I'd love to have more story/detail about his past... even if its just snippets of it in his future stories.
> [{quoted}](name=Olath Quortek,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2019-11-12T20:41:30.740+0000) > > I mean they can't really ruin {{champion:14}} for the most part... prolly hardly ever touch him again anyways heh... > > I'm a bit leery but hopeful for {{champion:110}} cause they completely lost who he originally was but then put at least _some_ of what he was back... I'd love to have more story/detail about his past... even if its just snippets of it in his future stories. Varus, as he was on release, was full of potential when you factor in the backstory revealed through his League Judgment. I know, retconned, but the Institute of War aside, it provided a ton to work with... which was all summarily ignored when Riot went about "updating" his lore. He was and is completely ruined in a dumb PR move by Riot, and there is nothing that can make me think otherwise. He needs a lore revert.
m0zz4r3ll4 (EUNE)
: Honestly, I dislike the addition of "Gods" to the game{{champion:136}} {{champion:516}} Not only do they feel extremely underpowered in the game, but their lore makes other champions seem weaker in comparison Examples: {{champion:105}} trident is just {{champion:516}} ´s old fork {{champion:136}} vaporizing {{champion:80}} for fun I still enjoy these 2 champs, but their "godlike" status overwhelms all the other champs
> [{quoted}](name=m0zz4r3ll4,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-12T17:48:54.018+0000) > > Honestly, I dislike the addition of "Gods" to the game{{champion:136}} {{champion:516}} > Not only do they feel extremely underpowered in the game, but their lore makes other champions seem weaker in comparison > > Examples: > {{champion:105}} trident is just {{champion:516}} ´s old fork > > {{champion:136}} vaporizing {{champion:80}} for fun > > I still enjoy these 2 champs, but their "godlike" status overwhelms all the other champs And in this dynamic, how do you feel about Kindred? I think, lore to game wise, they were handled nicely.
: Riot's already retconned some champs I liked out of existence so I guess that happening again would be the worst thing. I'm 100% sure it's an if and not a when. {{champion:21}} - I'm afraid riot is going to delete fun/playful MF and make grimdark MF the only version of her. > [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-12T17:32:37.483+0000) > > 1. Regarding Syndra, my biggest fear is that she'll be irrelevant. She already feels irrelevant to the world around her because she hasn't done much This is something that's bugged me about some of riot's lore retcons: they've destroyed functional lores because there was "no room forward". The thing is, there's over 140 champs and not all of them can be the hero or MC. They don't understand that some characters just need to be supporting characters that add a tiny bit of flavor to the setting and that's it. Trundle was fine as he was and honestly, his retcon didn't really make the game better or move anything forward. New Varus honestly should have been Kayn's lore, which would have let riot do something interesting that's relevant to the champ's gameplay but they screwed that up. Evelynn would have worked better as a multiple choice BDSM sociopath of mystery. I get you want your favorite champ to be important, but practically there's got to be a tier list somewhere. Take the bounty hunters in Empire. Boba Fett and the boys don't need to be massively fleshed out, they exist to fill out the universe and make the audience feel like pressure is being applied to the heroes. Then one of them becomes space ant lion food. The sarlac is another good example, it's this horrible death that exists to build tension. It eats a few people and thus did its job. I'm a sona main. I have no expectations for her to ever be a featured character. She plays some music, shakes her anime tiddy, and that's it.
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=003a,timestamp=2019-11-13T07:44:57.995+0000) > > Riot's already retconned some champs I liked out of existence so I guess that happening again would be the worst thing. I'm 100% sure it's an if and not a when. > > {{champion:21}} - I'm afraid riot is going to delete fun/playful MF and make grimdark MF the only version of her. > > This is something that's bugged me about some of riot's lore retcons: they've destroyed functional lores because there was "no room forward". The thing is, there's over 140 champs and not all of them can be the hero or MC. They don't understand that some characters just need to be supporting characters that add a tiny bit of flavor to the setting and that's it. Trundle was fine as he was and honestly, his retcon didn't really make the game better or move anything forward. New Varus honestly should have been Kayn's lore, which would have let riot do something interesting that's relevant to the champ's gameplay but they screwed that up. Evelynn would have worked better as a multiple choice BDSM sociopath of mystery. > > I get you want your favorite champ to be important, but practically there's got to be a tier list somewhere. Take the bounty hunters in Empire. Boba Fett and the boys don't need to be massively fleshed out, they exist to fill out the universe and make the audience feel like pressure is being applied to the heroes. Then one of them becomes space ant lion food. The sarlac is another good example, it's this horrible death that exists to build tension. It eats a few people and thus did its job. > > I'm a sona main. I have no expectations for her to ever be a featured character. She plays some music, shakes her anime tiddy, and that's it. I spotted me a homestuck. Crawl back to the hole from wence you came snake.
: They already retconned and changed so much about Mount Targon's lore and it's champions... I've made my peace with it by just combining parts of the new lore and the old lore and ignoring other parts. The thing I'm worried about though is how they would handle {{champion:89}} {{champion:131}} romantically. The people who worked on {{champion:131}} headcanoned her as a lesbian, Ironstylus specifically. We got the Eclipse skin where the writer Jared Rosen confirmed {{champion:89}} is. Tencent kind of owns Riot and after the Blizzard fiasco with the hearthstone player I'm really worried how they will do this story if at all. Would they censor it overseas? Would they just leave it out of the game and keep it in comic's or lore. And if they DO do it, will it have a happy ending because the bury your gays trope is so overdone and awful...
> [{quoted}](name=immafukthemoon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=0047,timestamp=2019-11-14T03:15:48.920+0000) > > They already retconned and changed so much about Mount Targon's lore and it's champions... I've made my peace with it by just combining parts of the new lore and the old lore and ignoring other parts. > The thing I'm worried about though is how they would handle {{champion:89}} {{champion:131}} romantically. > The people who worked on {{champion:131}} headcanoned her as a lesbian, Ironstylus specifically. > We got the Eclipse skin where the writer Jared Rosen confirmed {{champion:89}} is. > > Tencent kind of owns Riot and after the Blizzard fiasco with the hearthstone player I'm really worried how they will do this story if at all. Would they censor it overseas? Would they just leave it out of the game and keep it in comic's or lore. And if they DO do it, will it have a happy ending because the bury your gays trope is so overdone and awful... Varus had a kid. He had a wife and child. It was the sight of the broken bodies of them as well as those of his parents that had driven him to free the corruption/malevolent spirit of Pallas and condemn himself for the opportunity to bring ruin to those who'd delivered him the same. Not saying Leona or Diana can't or shouldn't be lesbians, but be mindful of what you reference. I assumed you referenced Valmar and Kai for the bury the gays reference, but that story both never needed to happen, and never should have come to pass. Riot stopped caring about good lore in favor of what they project to sell best or promote good PR. {{champion:110}} "The life of an arrow is fleeting, built of nothing but direcrion and intent."
: That they'll never update {{champion:110}} and that if they do it'll be a half assed one.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wRddEdZ0,comment-id=0034,timestamp=2019-11-13T05:09:11.070+0000) > > That they'll never update {{champion:110}} and that if they do it'll be a half assed one. I hope to any and every god that Riot never touches Varus again, unless it is to revert the lore. The only change I'd like to see, if any, would be for his ultimate to stop mobility (like Ahri charm) as the root doesn't take effect when it hits, but rather after after the dash/mobility spell ends, which honestly makes his ultimate a bit unreliable.
HalexUwU (NA)
: Any way to combat enemy tanks?
Depends on the tanks. Like, Poppy shouldn't be able to do too much to your back like, and usually isn't worth picking for a fight, as there are likely more valuable targets. Let's say there's a Skarner though, you'll want to body block, or look to CC/isolate/pick them off in fights to deny him a good ultimate onto any of your own carries. Generally though, most tanks have enough CC to give your carries a tough time of it, and you should mostly aim to zone them out of any clear path onto the carries you are protecting.
Rioter Comments
: whats the point of morellonomicon's grievous wound if it doesnt actually mitigate healing
: The systems more or less averages your two MMRs together and then treats it as though it were slightly higher to compensate for being a premade. So yes, if you both have the same MMRs, you will face slightly higher people than either of you would while queuing solo.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lr1cbGoT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-12T13:05:47.045+0000) > > The systems more or less averages your two MMRs together and then treats it as though it were slightly higher to compensate for being a premade. So yes, if you both have the same MMRs, you will face slightly higher people than either of you would while queuing solo. Any way to check one's MMR?
: Best bruiser/assassin adc?
I'm here to provide the unpopular opinion. This opinion is realistically wrong and biased, so feel free to disregard. That said, as a traditionalist ADC, marksmen are not only the way to go, but the only true way to go. Get your Swains and your Yasuos and your Ziggs out of my lane, and you can take away the mage "supports" while you're at it. Looking at you Brand. Again, my own personal bias. If you like assassin play, might I recommend Varus? If you build AD/Crit or lethality, your W empowered Q (with 3 blight stacks and fully charged) outdamages smite at all levels of the game, which honestly is kind of unbalanced but I won't complain. As he may appeal to an assassin player though, he has surprising burst potential with his ultimate, and his W turns his Q into a powerful execute.
Rioter Comments
: Skill in this game ?
Maybe complex champions are more, dare I say, fun to play? From a marksmen perspective, as it is my primary role, simple clear cut champions with just a little bit of zest are my personal favorites. Its why I main Varus, but also enjoy Ashe, Sivir, and Tristana as opposed to champions like Kai'sa, Vayne, and Kalista, all of whichs are champions I hate playing. Complexity doesn't equate to inherent strength either, nor should a champion be overly strong to compensate for a difficult kit. The end result *should* aim to be comparable in potential/output, regardless of skill ceiling.
: i hate playing with duos
Funny how my bud and I maintain an above 60% winrate when we play together.
: {{champion:86}} too fucking tanky. does too much fucking damage. and runs too fucking fast. and has too much fucking tenacity so you can barely cc him. {{champion:99}} plays too fucking safe. can fight you while literally standing on the other side of the lane so she never has to leave tower range. {{champion:67}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:51}} fed adcs should never be able to 1v1 fed assassins {{champion:89}} 3 stuns on one champion. why? {{champion:38}} {{champion:77}} how the fuck are you supposed to catch/run away from these champions? {{champion:27}} your either REALLY GOOD or REALLY BAD with him, his proxy farming strat promotes feeding for most people who dont main him. is a total noob trap and needs to be reworked. {{champion:41}} why the FUCK does he need a speed boost after everything he does??? {{champion:518}} i just hate her stupid face honestly and her personality is god awful along with her kit. so, everything. i literally hate this champions existence and i really dislike whoever made her. everyone else is fine in my book, more or less.
> [{quoted}](name=Akali Prime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VTA4A35A,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2019-10-19T06:12:21.194+0000) > > {{champion:86}} too fucking tanky. does too much fucking damage. and runs too fucking fast. and has too much fucking tenacity so you can barely cc him. > > {{champion:99}} plays too fucking safe. can fight you while literally standing on the other side of the lane so she never has to leave tower range. > > {{champion:67}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:51}} fed adcs should never be able to 1v1 fed assassins > > {{champion:89}} 3 stuns on one champion. why? > > {{champion:38}} {{champion:77}} how the fuck are you supposed to catch/run away from these champions? > > {{champion:27}} your either REALLY GOOD or REALLY BAD with him, his proxy farming strat promotes feeding for most people who dont main him. is a total noob trap and needs to be reworked. > > {{champion:41}} why the FUCK does he need a speed boost after everything he does??? > > {{champion:518}} i just hate her stupid face honestly and her personality is god awful along with her kit. so, everything. i literally hate this champions existence and i really dislike whoever made her. > > everyone else is fine in my book, more or less. A couple of things to address: A fed carry of any type should be able to fight another fed carry of any type. At that point, it is a skill matchup, assuming both parties are equally stacked against one another. If I'm ahead on Varus and my ult is up, I have no problem trying for a kill on a fed Zed if I saw he wasted his W, or any number of things. Assassins shouldn't always beat marksmen because that would just destroy the role as a whole. (but Cait range is fucked) Secondly, and this is a minor thing, Leona doesn't have 3 stuns. 2 stuns and a root.
Bârd (NA)
: ...I know my champion. With this change, he's flat out broken. The only thing that would save him from nerfs at that point is that pro players don't know how to play him. A Bard sitting in the middle of the lane is nearly impossible to gank with this change, since he can simply zip that Kog back to his tower.
> [{quoted}](name=Bârd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kN2OomgN,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-10-18T23:14:50.712+0000) > > ...I know my champion. > > With this change, he's flat out broken. > > The only thing that would save him from nerfs at that point is that pro players don't know how to play him. > > A Bard sitting in the middle of the lane is nearly impossible to gank with this change, since he can simply zip that Kog back to his tower. "The only thing that would save him from nerfs at that point is that pro players don't know how to play him." *Laughs in Biofrost*
: What's ok about that is the fact that it's 100% skillshots. Meaning that, if you're not bad, you can dodge it and then ignore him for around 12 seconds until his cooldowns come back up. I will admit his damage is a bit too high in my opinion, but you can play around it. It's kinda like Blitzcrank, Thresh, Nautilus, or Pyke. All 4 of them have really powerful hooks and repositioning tools that, if you get hit by, you're probably dead. It's just a matter of not getting hit.
> [{quoted}](name=Brutalitops01,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QwOJaiE0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-18T21:53:32.076+0000) > > What's ok about that is the fact that it's 100% skillshots. Meaning that, if you're not bad, you can dodge it and then ignore him for around 12 seconds until his cooldowns come back up. I will admit his damage is a bit too high in my opinion, but you can play around it. It's kinda like Blitzcrank, Thresh, Nautilus, or Pyke. All 4 of them have really powerful hooks and repositioning tools that, if you get hit by, you're probably dead. It's just a matter of not getting hit. Dispite his E and R actually not being skillshots, the radius on his W is massive to the point of hardly being a skillshot either. Remember when Lux's E was massive and was only technically a "skillshot"? The same goes for Brand W. Arguably, his Q is his only real skillshot.
Juice (EUNE)
: Like I said in the previous topic - I went in to bait his ulti out. Due to broken hitboxes and broken champ he was able to 1 shot me at lv6 despite me having 2000 gold advantage and 1 level. I did not expect that much damage. Yes I played it "POORLY" but that doesn't mean the champ is not overpowered. The correct play would be to play defensively against a champ that's significantly behind. While I'm playing a lane bully
> [{quoted}](name=Juice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VTA4A35A,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-18T16:28:00.221+0000) > > Like I said in the previous topic - I went in to bait his ulti out. Due to broken hitboxes and broken champ he was able to 1 shot me at lv6 despite me having 2000 gold advantage and 1 level. > > I did not expect that much damage. > > Yes I played it "POORLY" but that doesn't mean the champ is not overpowered. > > The correct play would be to play defensively against a champ that's significantly behind. While I'm playing a lane bully And that wasn't a bad idea. Baiting out her ult is a solid plan, but you didn't have your ultimate to act as a safety to do so, so you increased the personal risk there. Illaoi was free to take the engage, probably knowing you lacked your ult. If you want to talk hitboxes, I actually agree that the ghost grab thing is too thick, and if you want to trim that down some, by all means we can talk and I'm with you pretty much 100%. That said, I do not see Illaoi as being a broken champion. The correct path was to play defensively until you had either all of your abilities off cooldown and/or wait for a moment to present itself where the odds are stacked too heavily in your favor. i.e A roam or gank. Didn't expect her damage? Honestly, given her build I wouldn't either, at least not quite that much. It's one of those experiences that you lose and not repeat in the future. It happens.
Juice (EUNE)
: The fight was very needed. I need to push my advantage while I have it as Renekton. I'm sorry you don't understand the basic fundamentals of League of Legends. Let me ask you this : Can you name 1 champion in this game who could 1 shot me at lv6 with a doran blade ? I'll wait.
> [{quoted}](name=Juice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VTA4A35A,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-18T16:15:04.803+0000) > > The fight was very needed. I need to push my advantage while I have it as Renekton. > > I'm sorry you don't understand the basic fundamentals of League of Legends. > > Let me ask you this : Can you name 1 champion in this game who could 1 shot me at lv6 with a doran blade ? I'll wait. I'll spare you the wait. NONE. A whopping zero. You took at least 30% of your hp just standing around in ghost range, stayed at no health, and actually allowed her to walk up and ignite you. Even if you did need to push your advantage, you executed poorly and your own poor execution killed you.
Juice (EUNE)
: sHe HiT hEr SkIlLsHoTs ShE dEsErVeS tO 1 sHoT yOu yeah okay, what if Illaoi player is actually good and waits for my E to cast her skillshots? Seems like you're quite the expert on this subject, how many top lane games you have this season? And in what division?
> [{quoted}](name=Juice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VTA4A35A,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-18T15:47:56.605+0000) > > sHe HiT hEr SkIlLsHoTs ShE dEsErVeS tO 1 sHoT yOu > > yeah okay, what if Illaoi player is actually good and waits for my E to cast her skillshots? > > Seems like you're quite the expert on this subject, how many top lane games you have this season? And in what division? No top lane games in any division. I am not an expert by any means, but I can recognize poor play when i see it. You know she has her abilities off cooldown? Maybe don't expend your initial dash to get on top of her when walking is just as effective. Who knows, you might have influenced her to backstep and let you clear the wave and avoid the fight that NEVER NEEDED to take place to begin with. Generally speaking, never jump into a fight that you are not 100% sure you are going to win, because that offers a chance to throw, and that concept is the same across the map. The wave was in a decent spot. Had you held it around there you would make Illaoi extremely susceptible to roams and ganks, which is how I assume you gained your kill lead to begin with. Despite what you may think, you did deserve to die in that clip with how poorly you played your own engaged fight. Is Illaoi strong? Very much. Is she OP? Not at all.
: Characters we hate and why
I don't have the greatest eye for balance so this kind of change might either be too strong or too weak so accept it with a grain of salt. The champion that I dislike seeing the most is {{champion:63}} I won't call him OP by any stretch. My issues with him are personal in nature. My best ADC's are pretty much all immobile, so it is difficult to the point of being practically unable to farm well for the first several levels. What I would probably change would either be the size of his pillar of flames, or alternatively increase the time it takes for the ability to pop so that the skillshot can actually function like a skillshot. Secondary to the Pillar of flames is his % max hp burn on his passive. That shit chunks too hard too early in my opinion. So what I would probably change is to make the % hp tie in to the number of abilities hit. Instead of the flat 3% max hp burn, maybe 1.5% hp for one hit ability, refreshed and amped to 2.5% for a second ability, and 4% max hp if you can chain 3 abilities into one another in addition to the normal passive pop. The latter change would make his laning a bit more bearable as well as rewarding successful completion of combos.
Juice (EUNE)
: Akali Braindead, OP, too safe, too easy, VERY limited opportunity for counterplaym, no windows where you can capitalize on her mistakes, too many escape abilities Illaoi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZpodU5JtvM 'nuff said. 1 shot me while 1 level down and with +8 ad from doran blade Camille See : Akali Darius Braindead, OP, insta win any melee lane, right click enemy champ inside his own minion wave and kill him, 2000 gold worth passive early game (gets absurd late game), always cheesing bushes, too hard to kill Gangplank Not braindead but OP, annoying, too safe, too cheesy, too unkillable solo, forces you to play his little mini game all laning phase Kai Sa, Xayah Overloaded, too safe, multiple escapes etc Neeko Rengar Evelynn Caitlyn Vel Koz Hate all of these to a certain degree
> [{quoted}](name=Juice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VTA4A35A,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-18T13:56:26.716+0000) > > Akali > > Braindead, OP, too safe, too easy, VERY limited opportunity for counterplaym, no windows where you can capitalize on her mistakes, too many escape abilities > > Illaoi > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZpodU5JtvM > > 'nuff said. 1 shot me while 1 level down and with +8 ad from doran blade > > Camille > > See : Akali > > Darius > > Braindead, OP, insta win any melee lane, right click enemy champ inside his own minion wave and kill him, 2000 gold worth passive early game (gets absurd late game), always cheesing bushes, too hard to kill > > Gangplank > > Not braindead but OP, annoying, too safe, too cheesy, too unkillable solo, forces you to play his little mini game all laning phase > > Kai Sa, Xayah > > Overloaded, too safe, multiple escapes etc > > Neeko > > Rengar > > Evelynn > > Caitlyn > > Vel Koz > > Hate all of these to a certain degree You're just an angry player that misplayed. You took an extreme amount of free damage by staying in ghost range as well as mismanaging your abilities. I saw your other board post addressing that play specifically. Learn the matchup better. All there is to it.
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