Frısk (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhRX36Ik,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-08-23T22:10:58.526+0000) > > They lowered the prices. They also changed it so you can, some times, purchase them with BE. I'm not sure you know what "literally" no difference means. not the champ specific ones tho so there is no point if both would be buyable via BE i wouldnt complain
I'm aware. Although I highly doubt you wouldn't complain if that were the case. Lol. Point being they implemented a handful of changes.
Frısk (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=GedweyStenr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhRX36Ik,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:04:00.969+0000) > > Good change. I like this. Riot listened for this one. They did not tho?!? you still have to buy them there is literally no difference to before.
They lowered the prices. They also changed it so you can, some times, purchase them with BE. I'm not sure you know what "literally" no difference means.
Frısk (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Master2139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhRX36Ik,comment-id=000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-08-23T20:28:10.544+0000) > > people keep giving you reasons as to why it shouldn't be free but you're choosing to ignore them. They don't affect gameplay and they are just a glorified stat tracker that you can go to anywebsite to see anyway. All you're paying for is the callouts, on top of this you can get the commons with BE twice a year anyway. This is like the missions during events, there are the free ones everybody gets, the equivelent to the common eternals. and for the people who want something more there are the uniques and special event passes for those who are willing to pay. I can see you aren't willing to pay and thats fine, you don't have to as it has no impact on gameplay whatsoever. > > My only initial problem was they were too expensive and there werent enough unique ones, both my problems have been solved. Don't get me wrong I would have like if they were free because let's be honest everyone likes free shit but I understand why it isn't lmao is all i can say to that sheep be sheep i guess
You are proving that pretty well...
: Real title and experience is... not things that have no bearing on the real world.
Relevant title and experience is always worth a lot. The doctor knows more about medical procedures than you. The lawyer knows more about dealing with the details of the law than you do. The master/challenger (I'd wager so do silver through plat as well) players know more about league than you do. His opinion is worth more.
: ***
In the real world, title and experience does matter. Lol. What are you talking about? There's a reason why a doctors medical opinion is worth more than the person running the front desk. Or is that not how the real world works?
Slim Şhady (EUNE)
: MasterEUW/Chall EUNE Yasuo on buffing Yasuo
Same reasons they buffed renekton and jax
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: people unironicly come here and post "I also spent 2000$" ??? Must be nice to be rich then, and being able to throw money everywhere because if you ain't rich, then it's fucking 2k what we're talking about, video games or food, or anything else investing 2k in it is not a good move
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vegwF0Et,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2019-08-17T13:54:12.265+0000) > > people unironicly come here and post "I also spent 2000$" ??? > > Must be nice to be rich then, and being able to throw money everywhere > because if you ain't rich, then it's fucking 2k what we're talking about, video games or food, or anything else investing 2k in it is not a good move I'm pretty confident you've spent over 2k in food...
: Does this mean typing GGEZ is also a bannable offense? Asking for a friend. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=Shawkeekee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LAbBtNWA,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-08-08T06:48:17.050+0000) > > Does this mean typing GGEZ is also a bannable offense? > > Asking for a friend. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} Hell yeah. This is know. Lol.
: These Jax buff are contradictory to his hyper scaling identity.
His early game isnt even weak. Lol. Its not great, but very few champions go to lane expecting to beat Jax. This buff is weird. Decent early, God tier mid/late, so lets buff his early. Lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hammermancer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JVXoiX0n,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-06T18:33:51.503+0000) > > {{champion:84}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:157}} all floating around 45% RITO BUFF PLZ (see what i'm saying?) Yasou is the most popular champion. As for Akali she was once balanced, Riot has never touched Jayce except nerf him once recently I think.
Kei143 (NA)
: I hated NB. It's not that much different than SR, I have to learn a whole new META for it for the similarities of SR when I can spend that time improving on SR instead. The only fun thing was sleigh ride, and that got old pretty fast too. If I wanted a short/quick pace game, I'll go play ARAM. TFT is a completely different game and caters to the strategy part much more than the mechanics part. It gives a chance for people like me whom are all brain no mechanics to shine.
The biggest problem with "casual modes" is that a meta will inevitably form. At the inception, both urf and nb were a lot of fun. Once a meta forms, I'd rather just be on SR. Lol.
: >Why would I play battlefield when I could play cod? Because they are completely different?
Eh. They have their differences, sure. Battlefield, Cod, Halo, and every multiplayer based shooters are very similar when it comes down to core gameplay. Multiplayer Fps and single player rpgs are "completely different". I've nothing against any of these games, or nexus blitz, but "how come some people prefer chicken to apples" is a weird question.
: I honestly don’t understand the hype for TFT over Nexus blitz
Nexus blitz was a (worse imo) different version of league. Tft is a different game entirely. Why would I play battlefield when I could play cod? That doesnt mean I cant like games like GoW. Lol.
Dukues (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5PfEW1NY,comment-id=00040001000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T12:23:36.339+0000) > > Odd thing to say when you routinely end seasons in gold and I routinely end in diamond, but ok. Ah good old D5 nice :). Love that you talking about telling someone to be happy with life when you have played almost 1k ranked games this season haha. You should probably take your own advice and get a life friend ;) . Honestly listening to you talk assumed you were bronze. A little worry some. But not going to lie... pretty over League's ranked system. It really doesn't mean as much as people think it does only at the top of the ladder. But hey... keep thinking it does :)
Yeah, you're super salty. I hope your issues resolve themselves in the near future :)
Dukues (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5PfEW1NY,comment-id=000400010001,timestamp=2019-07-31T16:04:03.751+0000) > > Yikes. I hope your day/week/month/year/life brightens soon. Yikes, hope you learn to play the game in day/week/month/year/life.
Odd thing to say when you routinely end seasons in gold and I routinely end in diamond, but ok.
: A actual look at what can be done to make Treeline draw in more players
They just need to revert to the old map, but keep the current aesthetics. Boom. Ezpz
Dukues (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GankLord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5PfEW1NY,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-30T06:44:56.799+0000) > > Everytime I complain about the lack of vision i get downvoted Because it's a stupid idea and you are dumb for suggesting it.
Yikes. I hope your day/week/month/year/life brightens soon.
Raiyza (NA)
: Okay, for those of you saying "MMRs are different blah blah," that is a piss poor excuse. It's not a ranked mode, but it should still be even in terms of skill level. As for the original question, its because Riot doesn't give a shit.
Agreed, but he asked why. The answer to OPs question is because of two different mmrs. Lol.
: Why are Diamonds in every single one of my normal matches?
Bc ranked mmr and normal mmr are entirelyely seperate mmrs.
: Poll: Which player behavior feels the worst to play with?
I picked inting. We have a mute button. Verbal abuse doesnt exist unless you let it. Ive won plenty of 4v5s. Ive won a 3v5. It's really really hard to win when one of your teammates is on the enemy team.
Gabresol (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MoObBgQB,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-07-26T04:41:53.128+0000) > > Its frustrating for that exact reason. We've no agency bit. Better support wins lane. We hope for a good support and then pray our team doesn't ff before we come online. Lol. The playstyle is far too easy going to cause frustration... I literally just have to wait for anyone else to make an engage, while every one else has to actually do stuff. I can farm up easily because no one can really threaten me... And then I suddenly deal damage without having to accomplish anything for it!
I'm jealous that you get to lane against incompetence supports.
PzyXo (EUW)
: Its impossible. Riot fucked up the game too much for more than 4 years to the point where the game cannot be fixed. I gave up on Riot. I wish another company had league.
Gabresol (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=JP2PIRATTRZECI,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MoObBgQB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-25T09:15:48.161+0000) > > EVERY ROLE IN THIS GAME IS FRUSTRATING Not Botlaner (referring to carry). As we barely have to put in any effort
Its frustrating for that exact reason. We've no agency bit. Better support wins lane. We hope for a good support and then pray our team doesn't ff before we come online. Lol.
Rockman (NA)
: Does he need a buff tho
> [{quoted}](name=Rockman,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ku2oBnaf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-25T04:01:36.079+0000) > > Does he need a buff tho Nope. Neither do lee or kha tbh, though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jng Account,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnOfUrRJ,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-23T20:20:22.453+0000) > > ? Vayne is putting out exclusively single target dmg, that's it, that's enough counter play, Jinx/Sivir/even Kaisa will kill whole group, when Vayne will be aaing that frontliner. its not fucking counterplay. there is no mechanical outplay potential to vaynes w. not to mention kaisa also deals single target damage, and she only deals a lot of damage. its not the type of "i cant do shit to mitigate it" type of damage. % damage reduction is still effective against kaisa. mr is still effective against her passive. armor is still effective against her basic attacks. youre infront of vayne. shes auto attacking you. how do you counterplay her w in that situation? go.
Best thing I can think of is selling my hp items. Lol.
Nea104 (EUW)
: It's just one of the many RNG factors in a game called "_tactics_". This really should tell you something.
Yeah. It should be called teamfight luck or teamfight rng. Lol. That said, it is kind of fun. Even if I'm beyond terrible at it.
: global ability that can take 1/3 to 1/2 your lifebar?? nahhhhhh
Current "ad" ez has one or two AP items. The best of both worlds. Lol.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Lux has 47% winrate this patch, did you know? You Probably didn't. They gutted her. She sucks now.
I wouldn't say they gutted her. She got damage buffs - just now she has to do a better job aiming. Bad luxs got nerfed. Good ones are dealing more damage. Lol
TimeToTroll (EUNE)
: First of all, I don't know what ticked you off and made you this aggressive, but calm down and take a breather. Secondly, i pulled that winrate from op.gg, and its 48% in leagueofgraphs.com You see, I have only been speaking through statistics, but even if I were to talk about experience and without bias, she's not overtuned and you came into this discussion without the mindset to have your opinion changed, you keep looking at this from a subjective point while I'm spitting out objective facts. And now you resort to insulting me instead of discussing this like mature people.
U.gg, the one riot says we should use, puts riven at 52%. I'm not aggressive. I'm very chill. And you're still wrong. Lol. Objectively, based on her winrate and winrate per games played, and her having a high skill ceiling. She is over tuned. I understand that you don't want your main to be balanced. No point in trying to rationalize with someone as bias as you, but I do understand you defending your main.
Sublíme (NA)
: Swain re-rework is so bad...
Yup. They removed a lot of the nuances of his kit, lowering the skill ceiling (which already wasn't that high). If you're a terrible Swain players, this might be a buff. If you're even pseudo-compitent, it's a nerf. We lost everything for the sake of waveclear. Ironically, his waveclear doesn't feel any better. Q spread wider usually translates into less single target damage, q cd near doubled, q range down, no Mana on q. They "gave his q waveclear", but nerfed the shit out of his q. Definitely doesn't feel like his waveclear was buffed. Base hp down. Ult hp down. Ult damage down, assuming you'd have had orbs. We did get a shitty hp stacking mechanic, though.
TimeToTroll (EUNE)
: If she was overtuned nerfing her wouldn't render her useless, but it most definitely will, that's an indication that she's not overtuned, take it from a 2m Riven main in D2 peak, that she's far from too strong, Riven mains are already looking for an alternative because not too long ago, Riven was in fact rendered useless and nobody could win with her. She is the 86th highest winrate champion with 49.78% which isn't solid at all then, nothing says 25% of all losses aren't from first time Riven players anyway, what you are doing is talking from experience and not statistics, that simply won't do. It also have something to do with ELO, if you are in a low ELO chances are that your enemies will play their champions as if it was their first time even after 30 times, which means being a first time Riven shouldn't be too hard to beat them as, but I have never seen a first time Riven do well in my ELO against others with more experience with their champions. Mate, I will be completely honest with you and you won't like this.... you aren't talking about what needs to be done to Riven, you are talking about what YOU want to be done with Riven. Riven doesn't need any stat changes, there will always be a flaw in a champion, with Riven's current spells, she's easy for new players and that's just what has to be sacrificed for the sake of maintaining something else, her actually being a viable pick.
We've both peaked D2, but your a riven main so you're biased. Lol. I've no qualms with riven. I poop on her all day and night. Lol. That doesn't mean she's not overtuned, though She's currently an S+ tier top laner, with a winrate of over 51%. That winrate isn't out of line for braindead champions. But riven, supposedly, falls into the hard to play well champs (like Akali). ..Removed by Moderation..
: Do you mean login screens or something like "Get Jinxed"? Because the login screens aren't happening at all anymore. Riot is changing the client so that there's no need for them anymore, so they've slowly been moving away from producing them. And with the new client on PBE already, it will probably hit live by the end of the year, next year at the latest. However, the removal of the login screens opens up the art and music teams to do more stuff like "Get Jinxed" in the future, though.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0gQjpYG2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-17T18:59:41.669+0000) > > Do you mean login screens or something like "Get Jinxed"? > > Because the login screens aren't happening at all anymore. Riot is changing the client so that there's no need for them anymore, so they've slowly been moving away from producing them. And with the new client on PBE already, it will probably hit live by the end of the year, next year at the latest. > > However, the removal of the login screens opens up the art and music teams to do more stuff like "Get Jinxed" in the future, though. ? New client on pbe?
TimeToTroll (EUNE)
: You guys are misunderstanding one another, you basically agree down to every point except, "riven's winrate shouldn't be this solid for players who doesn't main her". I just feel that those words are somewhat contradicting. Subjectively speaking we believe Riven to be one of the most mechanically intense champions, we can agree on that, you also repeatedly stated that Riven is very hard to play well and possibly the hardest to master, which contradicts what you said about her winrate for non-riven mains being too solid. Don't get me wrong, I believe Riven is a massively hard champion and that the thing you said about winrate for non-Riven mains being solid can't be true, but what you said about non-Riven mains having a solid winrate suggests she's an easy champion, for short, a contradiction. Also, it's just not possible to change her difficulty for non-Riven mains without changing her difficulty overall, and the only way that could happen would be either through nerf ( which would render her useless at this point ), or to change how her abilities function or just straight up change her abilities, ( which would discourage players from mastering her because she simply would be too difficult at that point ).
That's the thing. Her winrate being solid for people that barely play her, if she is one of the hardest champions to play, is very indicative that she's currently to strong. Compare her to Akali, who is an absolute menace when played well. Akali is another incredibly strong champion that isn't easy played at a "high level". Or Yuumi. Their winrates are more in line with where Riven's, supposedly, should be. "Difficult but strong champions" _should_ have a low winrate in general, while players who "really play" these champions should maintain solid winrates. Riven is an exception here. Why? She wasn't always. She's currently overtuned.
: Can we revert to the old aatrox since they keep nerfing him into the ground? That would be more enjoyable to play at this point
Nerfing him into the ground? He's currently a top tier pick for both pro play and solo queue. He hasn't been nerfed into the ground yet. Lol. Even with this "nerf", if you play well and land your abilities you'll be coming out in a better spot than before this "nerf".
ltmetal (NA)
: The Aatrox changes are a melting point. With the complete removal of revive, there are zero mechanic/kit similarities with old and new Aatrox. I might be being harsh here, but I think that makes this a failed rework. It would've been better to keep old Aatrox and release the current version of Aatrox in the future as a brand new champion. Now, we lost the old Aatrox for practically nothing.
Meh. The core identity of old aatrox was drain tanking. That is what every built for. That is what led to him being dominant in pro play. His current niche is still drain tanking. They removed his revive, but they buffed what "makes aatrox aatrox"
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-16T07:03:59.148+0000) > > But they do. Elo isn't a metric for "how often they play riven". In Plat+ people who "don't play Riven" are winning with her. She has a respectable winrate among players that do not play her. So does Jinx, Ashe, and Nami who all have higher win rates, play rates, and less ban rates then her, side note, what proof of that do you have and why does that statement not work for other champions?
Are you not paying attention to the thread? Jinx, Ashe, and Nami (along with most of the roster) are incredibly simple and straight forward champions that are easy to play. You could argue it's subjective, but the general consensus is that Riven is one of the hardest champions to play well. Champions that are easy to master are "allowed" to have high winrates after a couple of games played. It makes sense. If a champion is mechanically simple and his a straight forward kit, it shouldn't take a player loads of games in order to perform well. Riven, on the other hand, (again, this could be argued as subjective) is a mechanically intense champion. She also has certain nuances to her kit that cannot be found in any skill descriptions. "Hard to play" champions should have a lower winrate when they're being played by players that don't play said champion. Like OP states, Lee Sin is great but has a shit winrate. Same with Yuumi and Akali. These champions, when played well, are strong, but they're winrate is low because of the "difficulty" of the champions. Riven is often regarded as the hardest champion to master, but her winrate among people that don't play her is still solid. That's the issue. If you still don't get it I'm sorry, but I don't know how else to explain it.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-15T23:21:09.816+0000) > > she just rofl stomps ppl while being played by people with just a basic understanding of her kit, since she just outright does too much dmg early game That is again clearly not true as the numbers show that.
But they do. Elo isn't a metric for "how often they play riven". In Plat+ people who "don't play Riven" are winning with her. She has a respectable winrate among players that do not play her.
: For entire seasons you discouraged "healbot Soraka" and you come up with Yuumi
The removed Nid's "throw x amount of skill shots until you land one to autowin the fight" gameplay to release Zoe. Tbf, they're different balance teams, so different ideologies _kind of_ make sense, but still.
KuroCorbeau (EUNE)
: but the issue here is that not enough people play support, so if no autofill exists, no games can be played. The Qs would be extremely long
Support isn't the issue anymore. Jungle has been the most "underfilled role" for quite some time now.
: Is there truth to the "Never gank a losing lane" strategy?
Losing lanes need ganks. The real issue is if someone is getting absolutely shit stomped. If your top laner is 0/4 against renekton or Darius and you're not huge, you have 0 business going up there. Lol. Likewise, if your ez and yuumi went 0/5 against Draven and Lux, you have no business going there. If your mid is 0/2 and down 10 cs, that's a reasonable gank. Losing lanes need help, but eventually a lane get beyond the point of help - unless your jungler is huge.
: Give ziggs some love
Meh. Calling his kit healthy seems like a stretch. He's also not weak. He could some changes maybe, but he definitely doesn't need a flat buff.
: Because there's so many comments on that thread that any response will be buried
Yup. I considered it as well adcs aren't building armor because tanks don't exist. If the enemy team has a rammus and a malphite, I'll bet you my meat some armpen is getting built.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > Except, that there is nothing wrong with AFKing in such situations. You aren't putting anyone behind nor does it negatively impact the game because the game is already done for. This mentality is the biggest problem with our community. _The game is not over until a Nexus explodes._ Does it suck to deal with some situations? Of course, I'm not a robot, there are plenty of games that I want to leave because my teammates are children or intentionally feeding. **But** when you accept the queue, you're agreeing to play the game out until it's _officially_ over, not because you're having a bad experience or a teammate makes a mistake. You don't get to pick and choose when to leave because the game isn't going your way, that's not how things work. >The surrender vote is made so you can actually give up when the game seems unwinnable. Yeah, and when the overwhelming majority of your team can't get the vote to pass, _you keep playing the game until it's officially over._ No player has the power or the right to single-handedly decide the outcome of a game against the wishes of 3-4 other people. >The case OP described doesn't happen in 90% of the games but it doesn't mean other games aren't as tilting. Losing the game because your jungler fail smited baron will tilt a lot of people pretty hard too. > The whole "no matter what, don't leave your game" thing is doomed wrong because the rules say so. Morally, there is really nothing left to do in such a game anymore and I NEVER leave a game. No matter how bad a game was, I have never left it. But I actually do understand the OP instead of playing the fake good guy. I have been hold hostage enough in my games, to the point that I raged and got myself a chat restriction. I wish I would have just left the game instead. Nobody is saying that the game can't be tilting, we're saying that AFKing isn't the right option. Morally speaking, you shouldn't AFK because you're doing a disservice to yourself, Riot Games, the League community, the allies _and_ the enemies on your team. Nobody is saying you have to put on a show and continue to be openly optimistic, frankly I think that's a stupid thing to do. If you're tilted, forcing yourself into a false state of mind can do more harm than good. _However_, you should be able to focus on the win conditions of a game and stay constructive rather than giving up at the drop of a hat.
Meh. If you have 2 people trolling or inting the game is done - even if the Nexus is up.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: No ADC is building armor penetration, why is this not talked about?
Sure, but you're missing the bigger issue? Lol. The match history for all of those players is full of games that ended at 3 items, or games where they faced teams without tanks. Adcs not buying pen in their first 3 items makes sense. Adcs not buying anti-tank items when there are no tanks being played also makes sense. People are talking about this issue all the time. "Tanks are weak and don't get played". That's why adcs rarely buy anti tank items. Because they're rarely facing tanks. Lol.
: to be honest, banning someone's hovered champ does count as "negative behavior" and it is a dick move so I would argue that if you do that it would fall under the category and technically qualify for a punishment. So no I do not think it is allowed
Meh. Multiple rioters have said it's allowed. Fwiw, it's not all black or white. If my last pick top laner is hovering Kench and the enemy team has first pick, I don't think it's an asshole move to ban the champ.
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=000300000002000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-03T22:46:34.919+0000) > > That you're talking simply to talk and don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say anything and didn't call myself a Swain main , your reply makes no sense.
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=0003000000020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-03T22:48:56.059+0000) > > I didn't say anything and didn't call myself a Swain main , your reply makes no sense. If that helps you feel better, by all means, keep on thinking it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=0003000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-03T21:07:20.448+0000) > > Pretty sure you're not a Swain main. Excuse me but what's the point of your reply ?
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=00030000000200000001,timestamp=2019-07-03T22:31:22.375+0000) > > Excuse me but what's the point of your reply ? That you're talking simply to talk and don't know what you're talking about.
Drathlord (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=0003000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-03T21:07:20.448+0000) > > Pretty sure you're not a Swain main. Waveclear is solid, but i am talking about other changes like souls stacks, R drains all and give more hp, q got ability to go through minions thats cool, only spread from 8 to 10 is a nerf in my option, and range and cd nerf are okay for me (they must take some power from it to make it balanced) also 5 hp per soul is a bit small number its like 200-300 hp per game and i think that need to be buffed.
> [{quoted}](name=Drathlord,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=00030000000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-03T21:46:43.736+0000) > > Waveclear is solid, but i am talking about other changes like souls stacks, R drains all and give more hp, q got ability to go through minions thats cool, only spread from 8 to 10 is a nerf in my option, and range and cd nerf are okay for me (they must take some power from it to make it balanced) also 5 hp per soul is a bit small number its like 200-300 hp per game and i think that need to be buffed. I don't dislike the changes. I could be wrong (or biased), but I don't think his damage is overbearing. We're gaining waveclear. That's fine. His waveclear is by no means bad, but it's definitely not amazing currently. We're losing damage, though. Both on q and on r2. I'd prefer decent waveclear and decent damage to good wave clear and sub par damage. That's all subjective, though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-02T21:14:55.626+0000) > > This 100%. Op clearly doesn't play Swain. We're getting damage nerfs and gaining waveclear. His wave clear is fine. Salty. Pretty sure Swain mains called his wave clear garbage and weak and the wave clear is one of the main issues
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=000300000002,timestamp=2019-07-03T17:44:29.312+0000) > > Pretty sure Swain mains called his wave clear garbage and weak and the wave clear is one of the main issues Pretty sure you're not a Swain main.
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