: Assassin meta is only a submeta of adc metas. Just like tank metas and Ardent Censer metas. All better than just adc meta except ardent censer meta because that is adc meta amplified
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbI8klwA,comment-id=0027,timestamp=2017-10-07T19:12:59.368+0000) > > Assassin meta is only a submeta of adc metas. Just like tank metas and Ardent Censer metas. > All better than just adc meta except ardent censer meta because that is adc meta amplified ? ADC metas are only a submeta of tank metas. When are ADC's strongest? when tanks are strong enough to protect them and soak up damage. You can tell when its an ADC submeta/tank meta when teams are playing tristana, kogmaw, etc. When are ADC's weakest? when there are no tanks around to protect the ADC's because tanks got nerfed (AKA becoming an assassin meta). You wont see tristana and kog in these metas (in assassins metas) because you need mobile ADC's which are weaker but have a higher hope of survival vs mobile assassins and bruisers. When there are no tanks around it becomes and Assassin meta which has a bruiser/offtank submeta (both of which smash ADC's)
Voluug13 (NA)
: On assassin meta supports, tanks and towers are meaningless. Zed just point&clicked you and if you didnt have Zhonia's, strong shields+Mercurial, full on defensive itemization or inmunities/intargetabilities, you were dead. Yeah, Zed **right now** ranges from mediocre to good (as it should be for asuch a terribly designed champion). I am talking about an _**assassin meta**_. Supports on an assassin meta are just extra 300 gold unless they are full armor tank supports.
> [{quoted}](name=Voluug13,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbI8klwA,comment-id=000900010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-06T02:31:03.649+0000) > > On assassin meta supports, tanks and towers are meaningless. Zed just point&clicked you and if you didnt have Zhonia's, strong shields+Mercurial, full on defensive itemization or inmunities/intargetabilities, you were dead. > > Yeah, Zed **right now** ranges from mediocre to good (as it should be for asuch a terribly designed champion). I am talking about an _**assassin meta**_. Supports on an assassin meta are just extra 300 gold unless they are full armor tank supports. The amount of effort you have to put in to playing a assassin right now is just not worth the reward. I can play syndra or orianna and have much for influence on the game and if I am fed I can still one shot people just like any assassin can, and i can do it from a range. AP mid - ranged, one shot capability, CC, utility (some), AOE, zhonyas. Assassins - damage, and mobility (aside from leblanc) most of this (^) holds some truth Sure when assassins are strong they are difficult to play vs early - mid game, but that is the point because that is when they should be strong. They bring nothing to a late game team fight
Voluug13 (NA)
: Like when that skillful Zed outplays that Ashe by point&clicking his R on her inmobile ass and killing her? No thanks, Hard Pass, this game has never been about ~ the plays ~ its a team strategy and coordination game, not assassin circlejerk.
> [{quoted}](name=Voluug13,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbI8klwA,comment-id=0009000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-05T23:34:19.287+0000) > > Like when that skillful Zed outplays that Ashe by point&clicking his R on her inmobile ass and killing her? > > No thanks, Hard Pass, this game has never been about ~ the plays ~ its a team strategy and coordination game, not assassin circlejerk. If you are in a situation come mid game that this happened to you, you fucked up. Because if you have a support, even if you dont have summoners, you should still be fine. Also i can say the same thing about ADC. Like when Kog can stand in one spot and auto win a teamfight. No thank you
Voluug13 (NA)
: On assassin meta the only ones having fun are assassins (and skrimishers). Its cancer for everyone else.
> [{quoted}](name=Voluug13,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbI8klwA,comment-id=00090001,timestamp=2017-10-05T18:28:25.333+0000) > > On assassin meta the only ones having fun are assassins (and skrimishers). > > Its cancer for everyone else. yea and tank metas are just boring and linear with less outplay and hype potential
: The only thing worse than ADC meta?
I like assassin metas alot. I think they are fun to play and the game changes from a front to back team fight oriented game to a game with tons of skirmishes (where assassins thrive).
Áery (NA)
: Janna is now at a 61% win rate
Classic janna topping the WR charts. She has been doing it for YEARS now (not to this extent but still classic janna)
Wráthful (EUNE)
: kinda giving a chance to the "wild card" teams to join the group stage so 4 groups 3 teams playing best of ones with each other in each group the first two in each group do best of fives to qualify for the group stage also sending the 3rd seeded teams from na eu & china to this play in. overall pretty good idea from riot to give chance to the smaller regions to show off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ryBmeqLIQ watch this video to get a better idea of what i've written.
So does that mean gambit is kicked from worlds?
Rioter Comments
: balance=good, the more balance the more "meta picks" and variety of champions played, the first few seasons really showed this because so many different styles and comps were seen. now there are a few op champs in each role depending on who has the new skins rito is peddling. rito has just forgotten values for profits it happens
there are over 130 champions in the game. It is really hard to balance that. Also this post is 6 months old wtf lol
: Honest question. If Rengar really is a "bottom barrel jungler" as you state, why does the #1 Rengar player in the _world_ have over a 90% winrate with him? (He's reached Challenger this season, and has reached Master in season 6, 5, and 4.) And no, he's not a one trick. He's also the #6 Zac in the world. Links: http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/tahx https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=tahx
That rengar is doing flexQ with friends in many of his games so the winrates are going to be skewed
: Hottest champion in League
thought it would be an overused brand meme. just to find out I was wrong and that it was the overused dio meme instead. But I have to upvote because you did fool me +1
: {{champion:64}} *Fails one Gank* {{champion:157}} "OMFG SHIT JG GG REPORT PLZ NEVER COME TO MY LANE AGAIN" *10 Minutes later* {{champion:157}} "OMFG JG WHY HAVEN'T YOU GANKED?!?!!?!" And that's just norms for me at this point
Or {{champion:64}} : I GOT THIS!!! *dives turret on low hp enemy* {{champion:64}} : *Dies* Me: You dont have to come back il survive this lane friend
: 2 Infernals, IE, Death's Dance, and some other AD centric item like Bloodthrister would get you really close (PD + Shiv being other items for a Draven build). Maybe baron + Red pot would put you over that 400 mark then.
assuming you get 2 infernals wtf
: When you're trying to get an S as a jungler
No wonder I get 'S' from jungle all the time Mid: Can I have blue pls? Me: Did you pick jungle? then the answer is no xD ADC: Can I have golems? Me: even though you lost your turret in 7 minutes? you're good without them.
: Graves can have a cigar...
Rengar was my favorite champion before they changed and gutted him. I stopped playing a couple months back. I would love to see rengar get some love, I might regain the excitement I once had for this game.
: When someone takes Cleanse against Malzahar
Cant tell you how many times I forgot this doesnt work and got fucked over
: after you've made doran ring passive unique
wait you want to buff that thing lol. I'm pretty sure naut was one of the champions they were targeting with this nerf besides gragas and galio. Why? because fuck nautilus thats why
6Sfool (NA)
: Tanks are mechanically simpler than most classes, but that doesn't make them easy. If it did then they would all have 60% winrates at low elos. They are way less straightforward than most other classes, and most of their power doesn't show up on a healthbar. Compare a Zed and a Poppy. Zed is mechanically hard, and can screw up by failing to dodge a stun or tossing a shadow in the wrong spot. That makes it seem very hard to play him, but if you get the mechanics down you have the tools to do what you want. A good zed play is basically for him to get in, dodge some cc, kill a carry, and dart out of the fight before he dies. It's very easy to tell if the play is going right, and if it isn't you might still get out alive. Now look at Poppy. A good poppy play is where she initiates with a diver, and she forces through the fight to lock down a carry. She will not get a solo kill out of it, but with some teamwork the diver can get to do their job and their team can roll over the enemy team. What makes it hard is the planning that leads up to it. Is that diver reliable enough to kill the carry, or is it just going to fail leaving you with 3 squishies left to teamfight alone? Can you even reach the backline? Will they completely ignore you and peel you just enough to charge past into your carries? Should you just hang back because the other team will do the initiating? Should you CC that MF now to try and kill her, or will you save it for when she ults? None of this is obvious, and you have to make the right decisions or the other team will get an easy ace.
What you are talking about is decision making and macro. You can argue that any class is difficult if put it that way. Decision making has entirely to do with the skill of the player, not the difficulty of the champion. If we are talking about macro and teamfighting, assassins and ADC's are harder to pull off than tanks
: This is exactly the problem with the community.... Every year people complain about the "tank meta" but when its basically nerfed to the ground people want tanks to be op again...
nah. Its different people complaining about different metas. I hate tanks, I think they are the most brain dead class in the game. Hard to punish for being out of position, hard to gank, point and click abilities or abilities with hitboxes so large they are practically not skill shots at all. No knowledge about the game required to play them and playing them will not teach you fundamentals about the game that is necessary to get better. For example. Evelynn is a bad jungler to learn jungle with because it will not teach you how to gank properly with any other champion that is not evelynn. Is there knowledge that you have to know as a tank? yes. Is it as difficult to learn these skills when compared to carries and assassins? not even close. This is my opinion though and most of the boards will disagree because I have been downvoted for saying this many times before lol
: He was relevant after the rework, since then other junglers have risen in the meta Highly contested in LCK (which i doubt you have ever watched)
: See my only issue with old rengar was that the only damage you could avoid in his kit was e. Everything else is either targeted or instantaneous enough to be used after the dash. If q had two parts where your stab them, and then after 2 seconds you activate it again while within the same q range to rip the knife out of them to do more damage, it would feel more like you had a chance, but my idea only works if death dance is nerfed a bit. It would make rengars choose to use w to stay in range to q again or get out
Rengooo (OCE)
: You want the triple Q Rengar back?? @.@
: Nah, they will downvote you to oblivion. They hate Rengar as a champion.
and these boards dont hate rengar? The only reason this got upvoted is because they hate the current one more than the old one...
: So Syndra's W got nerfed cause it was ''too hard to miss''
"too hard to miss"? try impossible. That ability would also slow so it made your next Q impossible to miss as well which would then lead into the stun and you know the rest. This nerf hurt the champion more then people think. It makes it harder to set up the oneshot combo
: have you heard of people really liking a champion's kit? sometimes people like a champions kit and they just want to enjoy using it. They want the game to be balanced so they can enjoy their champion that they like. they dont want to have to be a meta slave just to do good.
Thats why I said You can learn from your loss and fix the mistake. when i said "learn to adjust your playstyle",it does not mean pick a different champ, it means change up how you play your champion when you play against these strong laners next time (change your build, attempt to push the lane or get pushed in, etc...)
JSTIN8 (NA)
: A good player can also see bad changes when they are in front of them. There is no adapting to reworked sej, she was just too powerful. As a player it's not always my job to "adapt" like you so moronically put. It's on the game to change.
Then get better at the game. If you were better at the game it does not matter what champion the enemy team picks you will climb anyway because you are the better player. If someone of the same skill level picks something that is strong, learn from the game you had and adjust your playstyle to fit the situation the next time. dw tho, I know everyone on the boards has an ego that the only reason they lost is because "sej is op". Continue the circle jerk and never get better
: It's time to admit most champs only get complained about because they are popular.
People have said this before many times you are not there first person to make this kind of thread and unfortunately not the last
: fuck the early game meta
"Please dont just cater to the crowd who only has enough of an attention span for 15 minute games." This statement is childish. A good player would adapt to the ever changing game, not complain about it. The game is fine as it is, now there is an actual draw back to doing nothing for the first 15-20 minutes of the game, you have a higher chance of losing and its completely fair. Champions like veigar and kog have to actually do something early game to reach their 'late game' faster or risk losing the game flat out before they get there.
: When You Get Hit With A Max Range Fizz Ultimate
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abdul569 (EUW)
: When I'm facing renekton and he Es, Ws, Qs, Es out without me even landing an auto on him
E auto Q auto W auto E out. If you have taimat cram that into your combo as well and BOOM! say goodbye to half your HP xD
Erebrøs (NA)
: Yeah glad they won but holy crap that was the WORST game in MSI we got right now. Idk what was going on with TSM as they seem way to scared to end the game. Must have been the low morale from previous loses even more so the SKT one. Which was a complete stomp sadly. I hope they fix this quickly for WE or it might be another L for NA bois. :( {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
You say its the worst game in MSI but dont tell me that game was not hype af lol Quality play? not really. fun to watch? hell yea it was.
: Nice try. Problem is that rank=/=skill. Diamond players that get matched against Gold players tend to be boosted.
"rank =/= skill" must be desperate to convince yourself that you are anything but bronze
aımee (NA)
: Mastery 8, 9, 10
To get rank 10 for a certain champion should be different for each one. Like half way through a game a mini game appears (?). If you complete the minigame you get rank 10
Rengooo (OCE)
: Rengar nerfs was like
was about to say you found this on rengarmains lol
: Your main(s) have lost their house, and you've agreed to let them live with you for a month
: The most played Jak game is Jak X this was during the Burnout craze of the time XD.
No way, jak x was more popular than jak 2/3? I need to see some proof to believe that honestly lol
: Goodbye Malzahar ☹️
Goodbye malzahar and I hope I never see you again
: I remember playing this game back in the ps2 days XD. Great game :D
Rioter Comments
: [POLL] Would you enjoy a stream based entirely around the funny, quick gameplay of Bronze?
Not unless you are bronze 5. Got to keep it professional you know?
: 52.61 % Win rate with a huge play rate of 16.08%. Janna is broken anyways.
im going by opgg winrate and even then 52% winrate =/= 55% winrate
: Reminder that Janna has had a 55%+ win rate for 4 seasons now. When is she getting actual nerfs? No that BS baby "nerf" he got many patches ago. It had absolutely no affect on her. It pretty disgusting at this point that a champion can remain at this level of blatanly broken OP for this long. I'll just keep permabanning her in all my games.
: Well there's a gigantic warning before it hits, and Xerath needs to land at least three to deal that much damage.
Are you just talking about the ziggs megabomb? (Well there's a gigantic warning before it hits) xerath Q does 240 (+75% Ability Power), if a sqiushy gets hit by that they can lose 1/3 or atleast 1/4 of their health depending on how fed xerath is obviously
: This chart made me realize: We need more artillery champs
no we dont. I hated the time periods when ziggs and xerath were meta. Something about being hit by an ability from 1000 units away and losing 1/3 of my health kind of pissed me off.
: You don't know to mute until after you've already taken offense....
then mute at the start of the game? lol or mute when players start acting up? come on now use you brain a little.
Trax2001 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kegs of Fun,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=aAn4jmVH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-04-21T22:02:59.633+0000) > > Logged in just to upvote to trigger all the butthurt toxic 12 year olds. I agree it feels great when people get what they deserve. Poor baby seems like you got your feelings hurt
^ its actually really sad that people take offence to what people say in game especially since there is a mute button
: "I just got outplayed" is healthy, "this champion is bullshit" is not.
even with the recent build changes I think LB is still weak in soloq and a lower tier pick in competitive. Hard to sympathize with you hating because of that fact friend
: I love how anytime items are changed to benefit AD champions, AP users raise hell about "favoritism." GA being for ADs seems perfectly fair to me when AP champions have Zhonya's and will have Banshee's. Yeah, that's right, no one mentions *banshees* when they raise hell about AD's getting GA. :/ That's a solid amount of health, some AP and some MR with a spell shield on a low as hell CD. There are ADs that liked to build this item but now won't really viably be able to because it gives stats specifically for AP champions. Just to name a few: Kled, Lee Sin, Gnar, Renekton... None of them can now viably build this item. And sure, they changed Abyssal but its not really an appropriate tank item for AD bruisers looking for MR and health either. They've literally only left one health + MR item in the game and that's Spirit Visage. They're essentially forcing champions that build one to two damage items and then full tank to break that and have to go for EoN instead if they want CC immunity and MR. But no, rage more about favrotism to ADs because,"Omg, I can't build Zhonya's AND GA anymore! Rito y u h8 ap?!" Get over yourselves people. :/
: Ranked doesn't mean anything. 80% of the players are complete utter boosted garbage who don't deserve their ranks from dynamic que.
this may be true, but you can relax a little. Getting a little too excited there friend lol
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