Rioter Comments
: Do u guys really think TFT will be balanced to an extent like Underlords LMAO
It's why ... Kripp won many games in a row and at least for now is pretty decidedly back to Underlords (where he didnt win a ton of games in a row)
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Forgotten Project, The King of Fiora
One of those cancer top laners have to face. Riot needs to get off their horse - the whole flashy play = takes skills = balanced approach. Play Garen and have 90% bad matchups = that takes skills.
Rioter Comments
: so i wonder if everyone is gonna keep on chiming in with their defense of a troll when it comes out later that he had over 100 reports on his account but they were at reduced value because they're coming from the same people over and over again due to the nature of high elo matchmaking. hahaha when that one drops, you heard it here first.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnQJwRdF,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-19T12:23:41.206+0000) > > so i wonder if everyone is gonna keep on chiming in with their defense of a troll when it comes out later that he had over 100 reports on his account but they were at reduced value because they're coming from the same people over and over again due to the nature of high elo matchmaking. > hahaha > when that one drops, you heard it here first. Our definition of a troll might be different. Only your side refuses to acknowledge that. I main Noct and Karthus top ... I've been accused of being a troll on multiple occasions too. It is your opinion.
DjhBaham (NA)
: The Nightblue3 Problem
NB3 should just quit the game since he's said he was so tired and sick of the game and Riot as a company. That would appease all of us.
Leon4167 (NA)
: They'll just end up waiting in the queue for eternity as people will just insta dodge that shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Leon4167,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-19T01:53:20.188+0000) > > They'll just end up waiting in the queue for eternity as people will just insta dodge that shit. thats what u think. all creative strat started out as unconventional or unusual.
: > [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sK6pmGF3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T06:41:48.677+0000) > > but the main question is though why do higher up pros like said faker able to get away with things like AP yasuo? but the same regular player who plays yasuo (and does well just not faker level good) gets punished. thats the main question here. and yes AP yasuo is definitely the best example i can get since i know theres a game on that with faker playing yasuo with only ap. Ap Yasuo stayes in his lane, I couldn't care less about him, maximaly blame him at the end of the game. If you are staying in my lane, sitting there for whatever reason, bcs of whatever op strat you are doing without my consent, that's different story. If something is so far from normal standarts and affect whole team from start, you need consent period. Stop mixing things, who got banned for offmeta builds while stayng in assignited role? Hell, look at Alicopter, that's what roaming strategy means.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sK6pmGF3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T06:46:54.281+0000) > > Ap Yasuo stayes in his lane, I couldn't care less about him, maximaly blame him at the end of the game. > > If you are staying in my lane, sitting there for whatever reason, bcs of whatever op strat you are doing without my consent, that's different story. > > If something is so far from normal standarts and affect whole team from start, you need consent period. > > Stop mixing things, who got banned for offmeta builds while stayng in assignited role? Hell, look at Alicopter, that's what roaming strategy means. that's like saying u own a public road and saying it's your Grandfather's road.
: So your agenda is that Teemo needs to be made a support. You are only here to push your agenda and turn a blind eye to everything else presented to you, 0 rationalism. I know for sure that Manco, Hikashikun(another Teemo player) and IPav tried Teemo support but gave up on it because guess what? - It doesn't work. There is no helping it then, I guess. Keep complaining without trying to find a solution. Most Teemo mains currently play their own way because they, instead of complaining like you are right now, shut up and try playstyles, and do what are working for them.
> [{quoted}](name=Almighty Teemo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T18:27:53.446+0000) > > So your agenda is that Teemo needs to be made a support. You are only here to push your agenda and turn a blind eye to everything else presented to you, 0 rationalism. > > I know for sure that Manco, Hikashikun(another Teemo player) and IPav tried Teemo support but gave up on it because guess what? - It doesn't work. > > There is no helping it then, I guess. Keep complaining without trying to find a solution. Most Teemo mains currently play their own way because they, instead of complaining like you are right now, shut up and try playstyles, and do what are working for them. Yes ... His skillset is lacking for the purpose of carrying. Most importantly his R u can throw a mushroom at an enemy while engaging him but it's not a guaranteed hit given its range. Also I believe its lower dps than just AAing the opponent. there is alrdy a solution = They are reworking the champion.
Rioter Comments
: Did we all watch the same thing Nubrac couldn't argue his side to save his life. Worse the guy said he knows it's not good. It's like watching people support the joker because he's an asshole.
> [{quoted}](name=Edge of Daybreak,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hV7hEA9h,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-17T15:19:42.905+0000) > > Did we all watch the same thing Nubrac couldn't argue his side to save his life. Worse the guy said he knows it's not good. It's like watching people support the joker because he's an asshole. NB3 is more comfortable in front of the mic... being the more experienced streamer. Doesn't make him right . He didn't win that debate.
: Assuming you don't know the best Teemo players with quality content, so I'll list them: Teemo jungle can still be played, learn the Manco way. He sometimes plays top too. [Manco's twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/manco1) [Manco's youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu7PdAn3NJipub5wJIz983w) If you want Teemo games at toplane, you can watch Ivan Pavlov(aka IPav) or XBlotter(aka RealTeemo) [IPav's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/ipav999) [IPav's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOUiBglwGIcnzjBcEQ1uIQ) [xBlotter's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/xblotter) [XBlotter's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6tH4vC7Tm9PT2-HzaB_wg) HangSim is considered by some to be the best Teemo player on KR server [HangSim's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/yang2101y) [HangSIm's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/yang2100y) I don't recommend watching TRM. I used to be a big fan of his, but his playstyle and build are troll-ish(not ideal for someone who wants good results) and I don't think he plays that often anymore after he got banned. His old videos are quality but they are from a meta where melee champions were actually melee and did not have overloaded kits.
> [{quoted}](name=Almighty Teemo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:12:00.691+0000) > > Assuming you don't know the best Teemo players with quality content, so I'll list them: > > Teemo jungle can still be played, learn the Manco way. He sometimes plays top too. > [Manco's twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/manco1) > [Manco's youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu7PdAn3NJipub5wJIz983w) > > If you want Teemo games at toplane, you can watch Ivan Pavlov(aka IPav) or XBlotter(aka RealTeemo) > [IPav's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/ipav999) > [IPav's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOUiBglwGIcnzjBcEQ1uIQ) > > [xBlotter's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/xblotter) > [XBlotter's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6tH4vC7Tm9PT2-HzaB_wg) > > HangSim is considered by some to be the best Teemo player on KR server > [HangSim's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/yang2101y) > [HangSIm's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/yang2100y) > > I don't recommend watching TRM. I used to be a big fan of his, but his playstyle and build are troll-ish(not ideal for someone who wants good results) and I don't think he plays that often anymore after he got banned. His old videos are quality but they are from a meta where melee champions were actually melee and did not have overloaded kits. The examples u gave are streamers trying to make a name playing something different. I do not agree with anyone who says Teemo is something other than a Support. Jungler maybe? but that is debatable as well - I personally havent tried it. What are his clear time and gank potential? His whole ganking is to drop shrooms on a lane in preparation for the enemy to step on them for initiation? Surely he cant waltzed into a lane to gank? He will get jumped on! I feel that Teemo has a support-ish skill set ... with the stealth and shrooms. Yet u have no examples of a Support Teemo. I would believe because he is pretty bad in bot lane. C'mon, there are much better junglers, Top laners that does what Teemo does. Twitch in jungle has better stealth... Lucian Kennen are better ranged laners than Teemo could ever be... Tank Teemo = there are better tanks!
: I have a great idea - CREATE A NEW ROLE FOR THE OFF META STYLE
come to think of it.. maybe just call it "FACELESS!!!" ...
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:14:29.396+0000) > > FUN TIMES imo (jk). I don't mean to call it "Off Meta" ... just more like "Unconventional" I mean. Nothing to do with meta. Ok then, what if unconventional pick became conventional?
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:18:27.993+0000) > > Ok then, what if unconventional pick became conventional? then it is no longer unconventional. But that takes a while to happen. when EU invented the duo bot thing, it took a while for the style to take shape and catch on by people. I dunno... Riot has to redo the function of the roles again by then?
: It is called Support.... or Jungle...
> [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:16:32.642+0000) > > It is called Support.... or Jungle... But today, the "Support" role is taken to mean to be in a supportive role to the Bottom player only. There is not enough coverage for other completely different playstyles.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: What if off-meta picks will suddenly become meta?
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:13:24.496+0000) > > What if off-meta picks will suddenly become meta? FUN TIMES imo (jk). I don't mean to call it "Off Meta" ... just more like "Unconventional" I mean. Nothing to do with meta.
: It's fine as long as they add a checkbox that allows other players to completely avoid those players.
> [{quoted}](name=GonahtanuGepardi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:09:15.654+0000) > > It's fine as long as they add a checkbox that allows other players to completely avoid those players. They can do that too.. OR after seeing someone intending to play something unconventional, u can choose to dodge your game or request politely to them u'll rather not have them play that. It is up to them whether to continue with the pick.
Rioter Comments
: There are thousands of games of Teemo top already played and you can see in depth stats here: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Teemo/Top/ And (less accurately) here: https://champion.gg/champion/Teemo/Top? Teemo top is good for soloq right now
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T12:27:49.725+0000) > > There are thousands of games of Teemo top already played and you can see in depth stats here: > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Teemo/Top/ > > And (less accurately) here: > > https://champion.gg/champion/Teemo/Top? > > Teemo top is good for soloq right now fact is they're doing something else to carry the game... not simply being the top carry n killing others. Dude I main top and I can think of so many champions that make it not good to bring Teemo there. the current iteration of his R skill basically relegates him to a support role too. Have u been up on top lane lately? It is a total mess there and u'll most likely get a ranged opponent. And that is not good for Teemo.
: I don´t think you can ban players like Nubrac rightfully without setting up an arbitrary ruleset. I would really like to know in exact numbers how long I am allowed to leave bot or how much exp I am allowed to leech off from mid before it counts as griefing. As a bard main, I leave my adc alone all the time to assist my jgler or to gank mid. Is this playstyle now fine because I still occasionally show up bot to gank my lane and to drop off shrines? The only reason my adc wouldn´t try to report me is that I am playing bard and that this is what players already expect from him to do. ( and hate him for it ) Try this with an equally effective but less common champ and watch how the mentality suddenly shifts because, in reality, it´s not about what works or not but how players expect other players to behave in their games; suddenly your adc wants to report you because now it´s justified for....reasons. I would tie things like this to Winrate. Set a certain threshold; it can be below or above 50% and when a strategy is effective enough to pass it without coordination with random teammates, it shouldn´t necessitate said coordination just to ensure that other people _feel_ good and don´t have to put up with things they didn´t expect.
> [{quoted}](name=Dorans Pants,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3V9BKsp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T12:06:10.811+0000) > > I don´t think you can ban players like Nubrac rightfully without setting up an arbitrary ruleset. > > I would really like to know in exact numbers how long I am allowed to leave bot or how much exp I am allowed to leech off from mid before it counts as griefing. > > As a bard main, I leave my adc alone all the time to assist my jgler or to gank mid. Is this playstyle now fine because I still occasionally show up bot to gank my lane and to drop off shrines? The only reason my adc wouldn´t try to report me is that I am playing bard and that this is what players already expect from him to do. ( and hate him for it ) > > Try this with an equally effective but less common champ and watch how the mentality suddenly shifts because, in reality, it´s not about what works or not but how players expect other players to behave in their games; suddenly your adc wants to report you because now it´s justified for....reasons. > > I would tie things like this to Winrate. Set a certain threshold; it can be below or above 50% and when a strategy is effective enough to pass it without coordination with random teammates, it shouldn´t necessitate said coordination just to ensure that other people _feel_ good and don´t have to put up with things they didn´t expect. And to add : Nubrac "sits" in the lane because Teemo has an inherent stealth function. Essentially he's playing like a Bard but he sits stealth in a support role because he can come out of stealth with added attack speed.
: The entire Nubrac vs NB3 debate made me think NB3 = NA Education LUL
Not to say... Tarzaned is an asshole too... Just putting it out there. Opinions of strat is subjective = and he thinks he's right just because he's No.1 Jg or whatever.
Rioter Comments
: Teemo is a toplaner, look on the youtube channel, the guy takes Teemo top in diamond games into any matchup and still gets wins
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T11:21:00.307+0000) > > Teemo is a toplaner, look on the youtube channel, the guy takes Teemo top in diamond games into any matchup and still gets wins But he is bad at top in the current meta vs almost 80% of the matchups. Try playing him. And he is a terrible carry but a decent support.
PavLoo (NA)
: Stop with the NB3 and Nubrac Posts
NO. It needs to be heard. We need an official statement from Riot. What is the official guideline for the Support Role and other issues. And that's beside the point that NB3 is an asshole and a bully.
: Teemo is a classic champion, made to counter melee tanks Melee tanks just want to stack armour for late game, so he does magic damage to force them to build MR or lose lane He gets his lead in lane, lays bombs everywhere, pops out of stealth and bursts squishies You can definitely find success with Teemo if you understand him and pick him in the right situations There's a youtube channel called "trmplays" and it's the channel of the season 1 rank 1 player "Rain Man" and he's a really good Teemo player and has lots of Teemo top related content
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-17T10:58:45.327+0000) > > Teemo is a classic champion, made to counter melee tanks > > Melee tanks just want to stack armour for late game, so he does magic damage to force them to build MR or lose lane > > He gets his lead in lane, lays bombs everywhere, pops out of stealth and bursts squishies > > You can definitely find success with Teemo if you understand him and pick him in the right situations > > There's a youtube channel called "trmplays" and it's the channel of the season 1 rank 1 player "Rain Man" and he's a really good Teemo player and has lots of Teemo top related content How about there is no such thing as a Melee Tank now in this meta? ... Not at top.. not anywhere else. We're seeing 75% ranged champs at top and the rest burst Bruisers. So which lane should u consistently take Teemo to? You're not answering the question.
: Nightblue3 & Nubrac are debating it out right now on twitch
Are u sure Nubrac got destroyed? We must not have been watching the same debate. The entire debate made me think... NB3 = NA Education. LUL
Rioter Comments
: Riot is not Responsible for Streamers
He literally verbal-abused in game... and collaborated with others to collectively afk and report on said Teemo. That is Bullying in my books.
: Here is some video evidence of what happens when his team doesn't auto tilt and lose at 3 minutes in because they give up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1leMOO7Bf5M
> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZVQVFZKp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-17T04:47:17.096+0000) > > Here is some video evidence of what happens when his team doesn't auto tilt and lose at 3 minutes in because they give up. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1leMOO7Bf5M it happens a lot to Riste (otp Garen) 's games too... When teammates do not get fed-up, things can actually happen. It took a long time for people to accept his Garen play. Guess it will take a long time for people to accept a otp Teemo.
: Update On Nubrac's Ban
There are multiple ways to play the game. I hate that the company would enforce rules such as these to cover the ass of big ass streamers.
rujitra (NA)
: No, they aren't focused on them. They simply don't have time, money, or staff to watch every single ranked game ever, much less all normal/ARAM/etc games. Also, I wanna ask you this - are you trying to claim that people are born with the talent of clicking particular keys on a keyboard playing a video game? Because if so, that's absurd. They started somewhere. They weren't high ELO to begin with when they started playing League.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qnaj1GHh,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T22:57:09.371+0000) > > No, they aren't focused on them. They simply don't have time, money, or staff to watch every single ranked game ever, much less all normal/ARAM/etc games. > > Also, I wanna ask you this - are you trying to claim that people are born with the talent of clicking particular keys on a keyboard playing a video game? > > Because if so, that's absurd. They started somewhere. They weren't high ELO to begin with when they started playing League. Yes, talent plays a huge part in this game when it comes to 'mechanics' of the game. Although I only play casually on an on-and-off basis, I started from Dota Allstars and before that WC3 and Tides of Blood mod etc ... was in the Beta and by the early weeks of Season 1, I alrdy experienced Tristana Players who could perform crazy out-manoeuvres and who have very impressive kiting skills carrying entire teams. The very early days of the game I got to know such talented players- who parachuted straight into Diamond ranks or high ELOs (because back then it was only ELOs?) ...
rujitra (NA)
: Then how is it, if it's that common, that pro players would have been SO lucky as to never experience it?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qnaj1GHh,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T22:44:20.656+0000) > > Then how is it, if it's that common, that pro players would have been SO lucky as to never experience it? Like I said, they jumped past the lower ranks fast. Do u know the average number of games a good player takes to take them to Diamond and above? Compared to your average ol' player who are hard-stuck in Bronze/Silver? It feels like the entire Riot team is so focused on a small elite group of players... they forgot about the majority - the guys who only play normals, the guys hard-stuck in SIlver etc... Hopefully it'll be good that they're changing the framework of Balance to balance down more for the average players- and hopefully that in turn will make them take a look at normal game modes and such, whereby most of this Griefing take place. Pardon my english.
rujitra (NA)
: So, you're admitting that griefing is a rare enough occurrence that many pro players never see it during their climb?
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qnaj1GHh,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T22:40:08.392+0000) > > So, you're admitting that griefing is a rare enough occurrence that many pro players never see it during their climb? And thus their opinions on what is Griefing may be skewed. Yes, it is common enough on the lower ranks. I have experienced all of the above.
rujitra (NA)
: You think those streamers started out being a professional player? Jeez. That's like asking if a pro basketball player has ever seen a game with less than 75 points per team. Even if they haven't in their pro career, they started somewhere. **** And no, just the fact that some actions are **more clearly** griefing does not make what Nubrac did not griefing.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qnaj1GHh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-16T22:27:55.651+0000) > > You think those streamers started out being a professional player? > > Jeez. > > That's like asking if a pro basketball player has ever seen a game with less than 75 points per team. Even if they haven't in their pro career, they started somewhere. > > **** > > And no, just the fact that some actions are **more clearly** griefing does not make what Nubrac did not griefing. No... most pro players are able to jump to the highest tier on the merits of their talent... jumping past ranks such as Iron to Plat fast. I remember reading somewhere that so-n-so pro player has never even experienced Plat-ranked gameplay... I think it was Faker or someone...
Rioter Comments
: I missed it- does RIOT have an official stance on the NB3 thing?
fk this I'm quitting the game. Corrupted game company
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lltEbdNJ,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:35:54.429+0000) > > And your definition of Griefing and Trolling is your opinion. It differs from mine. Unless there are specific guidelines from Riot. Breaking the summoner's code is a punishment. You can't pick something your team is against. His team was not ok with him playing teemo support and he did not talk to them meaning he was refusing to work with his team.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lltEbdNJ,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-06-15T22:38:03.172+0000) > > Breaking the summoner's code is a punishment. You can't pick something your team is against. His team was not ok with him playing teemo support and he did not talk to them meaning he was refusing to work with his team. That is controversial, to say the least
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3hE24Nbc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-15T09:37:11.104+0000) > > You sir are sad and can't think out of the box. If the Koreans were to adopt this strategy, suddenly all will be alright. Much like choices such as Karthus jg etc Karthus jungle has appeared from time to time ever since a real AP jungle item with mana sustain came into play, it didnt always fit into the meta but when it does it has always been good because he brings obvious strengths. R-Real strengths x) Furthermore picking karthus jungle or even Zyra jungle is completely fine as long as you dont hurt your own team in the process, which is what the singed, the nunu and now the teemo support ended up doing. Even if they win they make things harder than they should have been had they just played well normally......provided they win at all. Nubrac did have 49% winrate on Teemo overall when NB in that video looked at his profile. But i digress, the main issue is that this is a team game where everyone is expected to work together and it has parameters that people are expected to work inside off for the most part, some things like a champ being gold or EXP hungry isnt something you can bypass. A marksman being an easy kill on their own even under tower is also such a thing. This Teemo, The Singed and The Nunu support fellows all griefed their marksmen to do their own thing, and often other people in the game too such as the junglers or even the midlaners. Griefing is not acceptable, which is why i´d condemn nightblue too.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3hE24Nbc,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-15T17:08:08.265+0000) > > Karthus jungle has appeared from time to time ever since a real AP jungle item with mana sustain came into play, it didnt always fit into the meta but when it does it has always been good because he brings obvious strengths. > > R-Real strengths x) > > Furthermore picking karthus jungle or even Zyra jungle is completely fine as long as you dont hurt your own team in the process, which is what the singed, the nunu and now the teemo support ended up doing. > > Even if they win they make things harder than they should have been had they just played well normally......provided they win at all. > > > Nubrac did have 49% winrate on Teemo overall when NB in that video looked at his profile. > > > > But i digress, the main issue is that this is a team game where everyone is expected to work together and it has parameters that people are expected to work inside off for the most part, some things like a champ being gold or EXP hungry isnt something you can bypass. > > A marksman being an easy kill on their own even under tower is also such a thing. > > This Teemo, The Singed and The Nunu support fellows all griefed their marksmen to do their own thing, and often other people in the game too such as the junglers or even the midlaners. > > > Griefing is not acceptable, which is why i´d condemn nightblue too. Now I direct the question to u - where would u play Teemo? Teemo is traditionally played at top lane, optimally played against melee champs. But Teemo serves as more of a support role come mid game. Only on rare occasions would a Teemo top carry be seen as useful. He has some burst dmg but range is short for consistent dps. Teemo does not scale well too. Because of the nature of R shrooms, unless enemies step on those, he will not trade optimally with opponents - This is the crucial factor that Teemo is more of a support than a carry character. His R is rather inconsistent dps. Mid to late game, Teemo is good at maybe stalling fights and disabling AD carries. So... do u really think that playing Teemo top (where 75% of what u face are champs with ranged abilities) is optimal? I wouldn't even bother discussing abt Teemo support... the matchups there are really bad for Teemo... be it mage/tank supports.. So I ask u again- which lane would u take Teemo to? Take into the fact that Teemo cant trade optimally with most non-melee champs.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Beacon Academy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=e4EtT18A,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-15T04:46:39.250+0000) > > Btw it wasn't just NB3 that afk'd > > Irelia, who had exp taken from her during the laning phase, gave up. > Sivir, who had to face a perma 1v2 lane while trading safe gold for solo exp, gave up. > And NB3, who had two losing lanes and a mid lane that was going to fall behind, gave up. > > The Teemo has been called out as toxic by other high elo players, former duos, and streamers on the Reddit thread. > > And fundamentally, his strat is trash. > > Mid laners are in mid because they capitalize off of levels/ability ranks. > Teemo sucking up all the EXP fucked Irelia/other mid laners. > > ADC's depend on items and therefore rely on obtaining gold. > However, by being perma 1v2, she was behind in gold, zoned off cs, > and because of that, her level was barely above the enemy bot lane. > > Not to mention, in order for the bot lane not to push tower endlessly bot, > The Jungler would have to babysit, leaving Hecarim to have free reign over the jungle and other two lanes. And thats false. His strategy is not trash /every single game/. In this matchup, it was sivir bot and irelia mid into a tf mid. Sivir can *easily* solo bot and be fine. Easily. Irelia mid does not rely on an xp advantage, where as TF does, but with 2 mid, his exp advantage means less, and his passive means less. TF cant afford to use his powerspike to gank without losing tower. Blindly following meta and saying "this happens because of this" and not actually realizing the other tradeoffs you have on a per game basis is the issue. Remember; adc/support top at the start of the game foregoing dragon advantage WAS meta.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=e4EtT18A,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-06-15T15:38:43.588+0000) > > And thats false. His strategy is not trash /every single game/. In this matchup, it was sivir bot and irelia mid into a tf mid. > > Sivir can *easily* solo bot and be fine. Easily. > > Irelia mid does not rely on an xp advantage, where as TF does, but with 2 mid, his exp advantage means less, and his passive means less. TF cant afford to use his powerspike to gank without losing tower. > > > Blindly following meta and saying "this happens because of this" and not actually realizing the other tradeoffs you have on a per game basis is the issue. > > Remember; adc/support top at the start of the game foregoing dragon advantage WAS meta. To add : It was probably the popular Klepto TF as well. When u completely shutdown a Klepto TF, he is completely doomed. At most he's relegated to a paper minimal-ranged stun-bot.
: Why are we attacking Riot for the whole Nightblue3 thing?
Fuelled by this image : convo between NB3 and RiotZephyr https://imgur.com/a/dVw6HcF#YEwGir7 We merely seeking an explanation for that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=anyPuzGM,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:53:53.075+0000) > > His status as the bigger streamer mattered. No matter what u said. That is your opinion. They might not have done so without the instigation from Nightblue3. It did not matter. I had a similar situation this year and all 4 of our remaining teammates abandoned and reported him off. I reported manually from player support. I got instant feedback.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=anyPuzGM,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T13:13:30.011+0000) > > It did not matter. I had a similar situation this year and all 4 of our remaining teammates abandoned and reported him off. I reported manually from player support. I got instant feedback. That remained your opinion.
iDarkWind (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PQXy7f7m,comment-id=00570000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:32:51.416+0000) > > Your definition of Trolling is your opinion. It is not the same as my definition. Thank you. Good. Then you will never complain about someone going 0/15 in your games because he's just doing his "especial strategy" and unique playstyle to win the game on his way. I mean - has long he doesn't say he's trolling, he is not trolling by your definition, right? He's still trying his very best right? I find it quite hilarious that comun sense nowdays is not that comun.
> [{quoted}](name=iDarkWind,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PQXy7f7m,comment-id=005700000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:56:56.690+0000) > > Good. Then you will never complain about someone going 0/15 in your games because he's just doing his "especial strategy" and unique playstyle to win the game on his way. I mean - has long he doesn't say he's trolling, he is not trolling by your definition, right? He's still trying his very best right? > > I find it quite hilarious that comun sense nowdays is not that comun. CONTEXT, Kid. 0/15 in certain games, is arguably still winnable if he's a tank or support. As long as he's not the Tahm Kench swallowing own adc and spitting them to the enemies for slaughter... Or the Anivia intentionally trapping and blocking teammates from retreat with her wall ... and ... I can go on and on. You must have seen very few trolls.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=anyPuzGM,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:47:04.401+0000) > > And a streamer in a position of privileged status instigating teammates to gang up to afk and bully a teammate - That is not a plan to sabotage? Who cares if Nightblue is a streamer or not. His teammates agreed with his deduction that his team was being sabotaged so he insinuated mutiny. You cannot get a majority vote if your allies do not agree. His allies OPENLY agreed with him positively without being forced.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=anyPuzGM,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:51:36.343+0000) > > Who cares if Nightblue is a streamer or not. His teammates agreed with his deduction that his team was being sabotaged so he insinuated mutiny. You cannot get a majority vote if your allies do not agree. His allies OPENLY agreed with him positively without being forced. His status as the bigger streamer mattered. No matter what u said. That is your opinion. They might not have done so without the instigation from Nightblue3.
: What stays on the game stays on the game. Him doing stuff on social media is irrelevant and not in Riots control.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tsQPV9R7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:47:34.791+0000) > > What stays on the game stays on the game. Him doing stuff on social media is irrelevant and not in Riots control. NB3, in a position of privileged status, typed some nasty stuff and instigated teammates to collectively gang up to afk and attempt to bully Nubrac ( I guess in an effort to get him to quit too) . But Nubrac just continued to play the game. ALL OF THESE DONE IN GAME. I hate the bullying part.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=anyPuzGM,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T11:45:00.119+0000) > > Problem being we lack devices to communicate. Unless we're a buncha friends and have talked to each other abt said strat. > > How about my jungler who never ganked once, abandoned most of jungle and predominantly soaked xp from laners who r absent from lanes? What is the definition of off meta? Because a mistake and a deliberate plan to sabotage is different.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=anyPuzGM,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:36:23.755+0000) > > Because a mistake and a deliberate plan to sabotage is different. And a streamer in a position of privileged status instigating teammates to gang up to afk and bully a teammate - That is not a plan to sabotage?
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nOeLcQMm,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:31:34.943+0000) > > Nubrac got this guy Forest banned before or something. This guy has a personal beef against him. Ok, how about this guy? https://twitter.com/AsycLoL Or this one? https://twitter.com/Wingsofdeathx Or this one? https://twitter.com/NickichLoL Or this one? https://twitter.com/AndrewInthelane
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nOeLcQMm,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:35:02.651+0000) > > Ok, how about this guy? https://twitter.com/AsycLoL > > Or this one? https://twitter.com/Wingsofdeathx > > Or this one? https://twitter.com/NickichLoL > > Or this one? https://twitter.com/AndrewInthelane that guy Nickich is a joke - he has a personal beef against Nubrac too
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6fhk0tuu,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:28:59.962+0000) > > How so? I only have beef against a few lane bullies that have less than minimal weaknesses. Exactly, what right do you have to complain about about certain champions you don't like if they aren't allowed to complain about strats they don't?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6fhk0tuu,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:36:08.796+0000) > > Exactly, what right do you have to complain about about certain champions you don't like if they aren't allowed to complain about strats they don't? The problem being they did MORE than just complaining about the strats. They ganged up to afk and effectively bully someone. Abused their privileged status.
: Yes but Nubrac also broke the rules by griefing so he did have it coming.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lltEbdNJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-15T12:05:35.841+0000) > > Yes but Nubrac also broke the rules by griefing so he did have it coming. And your definition of Griefing and Trolling is your opinion. It differs from mine. Unless there are specific guidelines from Riot.
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