mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yPlyKtJR,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:54:42.924+0000) > > I get it when most of the pro players will gravitate towards certain builds, but when almost all of them does the same thing... Item builds become meaningless. > > And they are the ones who are supposed to innovate and bring out new interesting stuff... having spent the most time on the game. Be it Starcraft overwatch rainbow 6 seige or magic the gathering or any competitive scene that has huge cash prizes players will always go for the safe route rather than risk something new. If one game of league had a million dollars on the line would you really risk a new build ?
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yPlyKtJR,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:56:59.444+0000) > > Be it Starcraft overwatch rainbow 6 seige or magic the gathering or any competitive scene that has huge cash prizes players will always go for the safe route rather than risk something new. > > If one game of league had a million dollars on the line would you really risk a new build ? even when they're playing soloQ ? pretty sure probuilds is based on soloQ histories
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yPlyKtJR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-14T09:54:25.368+0000) > > https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Mordekaiser > > Every one of them the same... > > EVERY SINGLE ONE ... honestly I hate games with shit like that ... In the pro scene of any game a optimal build will always exist that they all will use.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yPlyKtJR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:33:33.254+0000) > > In the pro scene of any game a optimal build will always exist that they all will use. I get it when most of the pro players will gravitate towards certain builds, but when almost all of them does the same thing... Item builds become meaningless. And they are the ones who are supposed to innovate and bring out new interesting stuff... having spent the most time on the game.
: A turn-off when I looked at pro-builds
Sample #2 = https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Vladimir
: A turn-off when I looked at pro-builds
I prefer a game that I can improvise and experiment with a lot of builds ...
: gosh look at how underpowered teleport is. where's that guy who was telling me it's "soooooooo weak bro." also morde is the new design philosophy, champions have 1 build that can work in many roles/lanes.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yPlyKtJR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-14T09:57:48.771+0000) > > gosh look at how underpowered teleport is. > where's that guy who was telling me it's "soooooooo weak bro." > also morde is the new design philosophy, champions have 1 build that can work in many roles/lanes. Lousy philosophy I must say. And boring philosophy...
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: A turn-off when I looked at pro-builds
https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Mordekaiser Every one of them the same... EVERY SINGLE ONE ... honestly I hate games with shit like that ...
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: game is doomed, lol reddits new rule
He says you're wearing "a dress".
: anybody still need the 10,000 minions mission? i have the perfect strat
the fact that these missions are boring and meaningless... similarly, i was wasting time spamming intro bots to complete them, when i could be playing the game proper.
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: Do u guys really think TFT will be balanced to an extent like Underlords LMAO
It's why ... Kripp won many games in a row and at least for now is pretty decidedly back to Underlords (where he didnt win a ton of games in a row)
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: Forgotten Project, The King of Fiora
One of those cancer top laners have to face. Riot needs to get off their horse - the whole flashy play = takes skills = balanced approach. Play Garen and have 90% bad matchups = that takes skills.
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: so i wonder if everyone is gonna keep on chiming in with their defense of a troll when it comes out later that he had over 100 reports on his account but they were at reduced value because they're coming from the same people over and over again due to the nature of high elo matchmaking. hahaha when that one drops, you heard it here first.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnQJwRdF,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-19T12:23:41.206+0000) > > so i wonder if everyone is gonna keep on chiming in with their defense of a troll when it comes out later that he had over 100 reports on his account but they were at reduced value because they're coming from the same people over and over again due to the nature of high elo matchmaking. > hahaha > when that one drops, you heard it here first. Our definition of a troll might be different. Only your side refuses to acknowledge that. I main Noct and Karthus top ... I've been accused of being a troll on multiple occasions too. It is your opinion.
DjhBaham (NA)
: The Nightblue3 Problem
NB3 should just quit the game since he's said he was so tired and sick of the game and Riot as a company. That would appease all of us.
Leon4167 (NA)
: They'll just end up waiting in the queue for eternity as people will just insta dodge that shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Leon4167,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-19T01:53:20.188+0000) > > They'll just end up waiting in the queue for eternity as people will just insta dodge that shit. thats what u think. all creative strat started out as unconventional or unusual.
: > [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sK6pmGF3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T06:41:48.677+0000) > > but the main question is though why do higher up pros like said faker able to get away with things like AP yasuo? but the same regular player who plays yasuo (and does well just not faker level good) gets punished. thats the main question here. and yes AP yasuo is definitely the best example i can get since i know theres a game on that with faker playing yasuo with only ap. Ap Yasuo stayes in his lane, I couldn't care less about him, maximaly blame him at the end of the game. If you are staying in my lane, sitting there for whatever reason, bcs of whatever op strat you are doing without my consent, that's different story. If something is so far from normal standarts and affect whole team from start, you need consent period. Stop mixing things, who got banned for offmeta builds while stayng in assignited role? Hell, look at Alicopter, that's what roaming strategy means.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sK6pmGF3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T06:46:54.281+0000) > > Ap Yasuo stayes in his lane, I couldn't care less about him, maximaly blame him at the end of the game. > > If you are staying in my lane, sitting there for whatever reason, bcs of whatever op strat you are doing without my consent, that's different story. > > If something is so far from normal standarts and affect whole team from start, you need consent period. > > Stop mixing things, who got banned for offmeta builds while stayng in assignited role? Hell, look at Alicopter, that's what roaming strategy means. that's like saying u own a public road and saying it's your Grandfather's road.
: So your agenda is that Teemo needs to be made a support. You are only here to push your agenda and turn a blind eye to everything else presented to you, 0 rationalism. I know for sure that Manco, Hikashikun(another Teemo player) and IPav tried Teemo support but gave up on it because guess what? - It doesn't work. There is no helping it then, I guess. Keep complaining without trying to find a solution. Most Teemo mains currently play their own way because they, instead of complaining like you are right now, shut up and try playstyles, and do what are working for them.
> [{quoted}](name=Almighty Teemo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T18:27:53.446+0000) > > So your agenda is that Teemo needs to be made a support. You are only here to push your agenda and turn a blind eye to everything else presented to you, 0 rationalism. > > I know for sure that Manco, Hikashikun(another Teemo player) and IPav tried Teemo support but gave up on it because guess what? - It doesn't work. > > There is no helping it then, I guess. Keep complaining without trying to find a solution. Most Teemo mains currently play their own way because they, instead of complaining like you are right now, shut up and try playstyles, and do what are working for them. Yes ... His skillset is lacking for the purpose of carrying. Most importantly his R u can throw a mushroom at an enemy while engaging him but it's not a guaranteed hit given its range. Also I believe its lower dps than just AAing the opponent. there is alrdy a solution = They are reworking the champion.
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: Did we all watch the same thing Nubrac couldn't argue his side to save his life. Worse the guy said he knows it's not good. It's like watching people support the joker because he's an asshole.
> [{quoted}](name=Edge of Daybreak,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hV7hEA9h,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-17T15:19:42.905+0000) > > Did we all watch the same thing Nubrac couldn't argue his side to save his life. Worse the guy said he knows it's not good. It's like watching people support the joker because he's an asshole. NB3 is more comfortable in front of the mic... being the more experienced streamer. Doesn't make him right . He didn't win that debate.
: Assuming you don't know the best Teemo players with quality content, so I'll list them: Teemo jungle can still be played, learn the Manco way. He sometimes plays top too. [Manco's twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/manco1) [Manco's youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu7PdAn3NJipub5wJIz983w) If you want Teemo games at toplane, you can watch Ivan Pavlov(aka IPav) or XBlotter(aka RealTeemo) [IPav's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/ipav999) [IPav's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOUiBglwGIcnzjBcEQ1uIQ) [xBlotter's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/xblotter) [XBlotter's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6tH4vC7Tm9PT2-HzaB_wg) HangSim is considered by some to be the best Teemo player on KR server [HangSim's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/yang2101y) [HangSIm's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/yang2100y) I don't recommend watching TRM. I used to be a big fan of his, but his playstyle and build are troll-ish(not ideal for someone who wants good results) and I don't think he plays that often anymore after he got banned. His old videos are quality but they are from a meta where melee champions were actually melee and did not have overloaded kits.
> [{quoted}](name=Almighty Teemo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:12:00.691+0000) > > Assuming you don't know the best Teemo players with quality content, so I'll list them: > > Teemo jungle can still be played, learn the Manco way. He sometimes plays top too. > [Manco's twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/manco1) > [Manco's youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu7PdAn3NJipub5wJIz983w) > > If you want Teemo games at toplane, you can watch Ivan Pavlov(aka IPav) or XBlotter(aka RealTeemo) > [IPav's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/ipav999) > [IPav's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOUiBglwGIcnzjBcEQ1uIQ) > > [xBlotter's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/xblotter) > [XBlotter's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6tH4vC7Tm9PT2-HzaB_wg) > > HangSim is considered by some to be the best Teemo player on KR server > [HangSim's Twitch channel](https://www.twitch.tv/yang2101y) > [HangSIm's Youtube channel](https://www.youtube.com/user/yang2100y) > > I don't recommend watching TRM. I used to be a big fan of his, but his playstyle and build are troll-ish(not ideal for someone who wants good results) and I don't think he plays that often anymore after he got banned. His old videos are quality but they are from a meta where melee champions were actually melee and did not have overloaded kits. The examples u gave are streamers trying to make a name playing something different. I do not agree with anyone who says Teemo is something other than a Support. Jungler maybe? but that is debatable as well - I personally havent tried it. What are his clear time and gank potential? His whole ganking is to drop shrooms on a lane in preparation for the enemy to step on them for initiation? Surely he cant waltzed into a lane to gank? He will get jumped on! I feel that Teemo has a support-ish skill set ... with the stealth and shrooms. Yet u have no examples of a Support Teemo. I would believe because he is pretty bad in bot lane. C'mon, there are much better junglers, Top laners that does what Teemo does. Twitch in jungle has better stealth... Lucian Kennen are better ranged laners than Teemo could ever be... Tank Teemo = there are better tanks!
: I have a great idea - CREATE A NEW ROLE FOR THE OFF META STYLE
come to think of it.. maybe just call it "FACELESS!!!" ...
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fraggleroc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:14:29.396+0000) > > FUN TIMES imo (jk). I don't mean to call it "Off Meta" ... just more like "Unconventional" I mean. Nothing to do with meta. Ok then, what if unconventional pick became conventional?
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:18:27.993+0000) > > Ok then, what if unconventional pick became conventional? then it is no longer unconventional. But that takes a while to happen. when EU invented the duo bot thing, it took a while for the style to take shape and catch on by people. I dunno... Riot has to redo the function of the roles again by then?
: It is called Support.... or Jungle...
> [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:16:32.642+0000) > > It is called Support.... or Jungle... But today, the "Support" role is taken to mean to be in a supportive role to the Bottom player only. There is not enough coverage for other completely different playstyles.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: What if off-meta picks will suddenly become meta?
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:13:24.496+0000) > > What if off-meta picks will suddenly become meta? FUN TIMES imo (jk). I don't mean to call it "Off Meta" ... just more like "Unconventional" I mean. Nothing to do with meta.
: It's fine as long as they add a checkbox that allows other players to completely avoid those players.
> [{quoted}](name=GonahtanuGepardi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5xLbeH6d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-17T13:09:15.654+0000) > > It's fine as long as they add a checkbox that allows other players to completely avoid those players. They can do that too.. OR after seeing someone intending to play something unconventional, u can choose to dodge your game or request politely to them u'll rather not have them play that. It is up to them whether to continue with the pick.
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: There are thousands of games of Teemo top already played and you can see in depth stats here: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Teemo/Top/ And (less accurately) here: https://champion.gg/champion/Teemo/Top? Teemo top is good for soloq right now
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T12:27:49.725+0000) > > There are thousands of games of Teemo top already played and you can see in depth stats here: > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Teemo/Top/ > > And (less accurately) here: > > https://champion.gg/champion/Teemo/Top? > > Teemo top is good for soloq right now fact is they're doing something else to carry the game... not simply being the top carry n killing others. Dude I main top and I can think of so many champions that make it not good to bring Teemo there. the current iteration of his R skill basically relegates him to a support role too. Have u been up on top lane lately? It is a total mess there and u'll most likely get a ranged opponent. And that is not good for Teemo.
: I don´t think you can ban players like Nubrac rightfully without setting up an arbitrary ruleset. I would really like to know in exact numbers how long I am allowed to leave bot or how much exp I am allowed to leech off from mid before it counts as griefing. As a bard main, I leave my adc alone all the time to assist my jgler or to gank mid. Is this playstyle now fine because I still occasionally show up bot to gank my lane and to drop off shrines? The only reason my adc wouldn´t try to report me is that I am playing bard and that this is what players already expect from him to do. ( and hate him for it ) Try this with an equally effective but less common champ and watch how the mentality suddenly shifts because, in reality, it´s not about what works or not but how players expect other players to behave in their games; suddenly your adc wants to report you because now it´s justified for....reasons. I would tie things like this to Winrate. Set a certain threshold; it can be below or above 50% and when a strategy is effective enough to pass it without coordination with random teammates, it shouldn´t necessitate said coordination just to ensure that other people _feel_ good and don´t have to put up with things they didn´t expect.
> [{quoted}](name=Dorans Pants,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h3V9BKsp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-17T12:06:10.811+0000) > > I don´t think you can ban players like Nubrac rightfully without setting up an arbitrary ruleset. > > I would really like to know in exact numbers how long I am allowed to leave bot or how much exp I am allowed to leech off from mid before it counts as griefing. > > As a bard main, I leave my adc alone all the time to assist my jgler or to gank mid. Is this playstyle now fine because I still occasionally show up bot to gank my lane and to drop off shrines? The only reason my adc wouldn´t try to report me is that I am playing bard and that this is what players already expect from him to do. ( and hate him for it ) > > Try this with an equally effective but less common champ and watch how the mentality suddenly shifts because, in reality, it´s not about what works or not but how players expect other players to behave in their games; suddenly your adc wants to report you because now it´s justified for....reasons. > > I would tie things like this to Winrate. Set a certain threshold; it can be below or above 50% and when a strategy is effective enough to pass it without coordination with random teammates, it shouldn´t necessitate said coordination just to ensure that other people _feel_ good and don´t have to put up with things they didn´t expect. And to add : Nubrac "sits" in the lane because Teemo has an inherent stealth function. Essentially he's playing like a Bard but he sits stealth in a support role because he can come out of stealth with added attack speed.
: The entire Nubrac vs NB3 debate made me think NB3 = NA Education LUL
Not to say... Tarzaned is an asshole too... Just putting it out there. Opinions of strat is subjective = and he thinks he's right just because he's No.1 Jg or whatever.
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: Teemo is a toplaner, look on the youtube channel, the guy takes Teemo top in diamond games into any matchup and still gets wins
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T11:21:00.307+0000) > > Teemo is a toplaner, look on the youtube channel, the guy takes Teemo top in diamond games into any matchup and still gets wins But he is bad at top in the current meta vs almost 80% of the matchups. Try playing him. And he is a terrible carry but a decent support.
PavLoo (NA)
: Stop with the NB3 and Nubrac Posts
NO. It needs to be heard. We need an official statement from Riot. What is the official guideline for the Support Role and other issues. And that's beside the point that NB3 is an asshole and a bully.
: Teemo is a classic champion, made to counter melee tanks Melee tanks just want to stack armour for late game, so he does magic damage to force them to build MR or lose lane He gets his lead in lane, lays bombs everywhere, pops out of stealth and bursts squishies You can definitely find success with Teemo if you understand him and pick him in the right situations There's a youtube channel called "trmplays" and it's the channel of the season 1 rank 1 player "Rain Man" and he's a really good Teemo player and has lots of Teemo top related content
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q4iHaBWQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-17T10:58:45.327+0000) > > Teemo is a classic champion, made to counter melee tanks > > Melee tanks just want to stack armour for late game, so he does magic damage to force them to build MR or lose lane > > He gets his lead in lane, lays bombs everywhere, pops out of stealth and bursts squishies > > You can definitely find success with Teemo if you understand him and pick him in the right situations > > There's a youtube channel called "trmplays" and it's the channel of the season 1 rank 1 player "Rain Man" and he's a really good Teemo player and has lots of Teemo top related content How about there is no such thing as a Melee Tank now in this meta? ... Not at top.. not anywhere else. We're seeing 75% ranged champs at top and the rest burst Bruisers. So which lane should u consistently take Teemo to? You're not answering the question.
: Nightblue3 & Nubrac are debating it out right now on twitch
Are u sure Nubrac got destroyed? We must not have been watching the same debate. The entire debate made me think... NB3 = NA Education. LUL
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: Riot is not Responsible for Streamers
He literally verbal-abused in game... and collaborated with others to collectively afk and report on said Teemo. That is Bullying in my books.
: Here is some video evidence of what happens when his team doesn't auto tilt and lose at 3 minutes in because they give up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1leMOO7Bf5M
> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZVQVFZKp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-17T04:47:17.096+0000) > > Here is some video evidence of what happens when his team doesn't auto tilt and lose at 3 minutes in because they give up. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1leMOO7Bf5M it happens a lot to Riste (otp Garen) 's games too... When teammates do not get fed-up, things can actually happen. It took a long time for people to accept his Garen play. Guess it will take a long time for people to accept a otp Teemo.
: Update On Nubrac's Ban
There are multiple ways to play the game. I hate that the company would enforce rules such as these to cover the ass of big ass streamers.
rujitra (NA)
: No, they aren't focused on them. They simply don't have time, money, or staff to watch every single ranked game ever, much less all normal/ARAM/etc games. Also, I wanna ask you this - are you trying to claim that people are born with the talent of clicking particular keys on a keyboard playing a video game? Because if so, that's absurd. They started somewhere. They weren't high ELO to begin with when they started playing League.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qnaj1GHh,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T22:57:09.371+0000) > > No, they aren't focused on them. They simply don't have time, money, or staff to watch every single ranked game ever, much less all normal/ARAM/etc games. > > Also, I wanna ask you this - are you trying to claim that people are born with the talent of clicking particular keys on a keyboard playing a video game? > > Because if so, that's absurd. They started somewhere. They weren't high ELO to begin with when they started playing League. Yes, talent plays a huge part in this game when it comes to 'mechanics' of the game. Although I only play casually on an on-and-off basis, I started from Dota Allstars and before that WC3 and Tides of Blood mod etc ... was in the Beta and by the early weeks of Season 1, I alrdy experienced Tristana Players who could perform crazy out-manoeuvres and who have very impressive kiting skills carrying entire teams. The very early days of the game I got to know such talented players- who parachuted straight into Diamond ranks or high ELOs (because back then it was only ELOs?) ...
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