: Im confused what your true opinion is. You think people SHOULD stay and try to fix the game? Or you tell people not to play and steer them away from the game? Youre sending mixed messages buddy. Or are you just judging people's reactions and telling them how they should react to complaint threads? Are you just here to force your morality onto us? Which is it? Social police? Activist? Want to watch the game burn and die? What is your point here?
I am saying that YES, I would LOVE to stay and fix the game. But anyone that TRIES to fix the game by first showing what is WRONG with the game is immediatedly dismissed. Ad hominum or personal attacks are used to say "dont listen to this person because they build X" or "ignore Player X because I looked them up on OP.GG and thier kda is.... >insert kda<" The community has shown no interest in trying to fix the game and instead just plugs their ears and tells everyone their IS NO PROBLEMS. Anyone who tries to bring criticisms or any problems is just "Mad cuz bad". So I am trying to convince as many people who havent put on the rose-colored glasses to leave. The house is burning but people want to pretend the flames dont exist so they can go back to mocking anyone who dares criticize glaring flaws in the game and community as "u just salty". I would love to see League returned to its former glory, but I dont have any hope left. The community is too wrapped up in thier own self importance, too busy pretending league is perfect. Again, anyone who says anything contrary to the "league is perfect" sentiment is dismissed as "salty" or "Mad cuz bad". So I am trying to convince as many people as possible to drop league. Maybe when the wait times start skyrocketing...quality of matches starts nosediving, when it becomes harder and harder to win matches because people are too busy bragging about how much "better than u" they are to their teams..people will begin to wake up. And if not, oh well. League will go into a death spiral and I will sit here watching it burn. I would love to help save the game, but people are too busy pretending any problems dont exist. That riot is perfect, that league is the "best place it has ever been" and dismissing anyone who says anything other than that. so yeah, they can keep telling me how "salty" i am. How I am just "mad cuz bad" doesnt change the fact more and more people are leaving, and If I can, i will stop as many people from joining the game as possible.
: Riot is catering to new/casual players for money and killing their original fan base of gamers with overly oppressive bans and rules. You can get matched up in ranked with a duo of 9 year olds, a blind guy, and a dog stuck to a keyboard, but say 'noob' and you get perm banned. Clown world. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Oh yeah, You have a game where the objective is to TAKE TOWERS, to TAKE NEXUS. But they will sit around and farm kills like a call of duty tdm. Passing off any suggestion to take towers as "Kills give gold, gold is how you win" People arent even TRYING to take the nexus anymore, just farm kills untill one side gets bored enough and surrenders, or the enemy team leads your team off with an easy kill to chase while they take your nexus. But you dare suggest that you actually take towers and you get "Stfu u dont know how to play. Lookit ur kills!" (when I am playing a SUPPORT) and suddenly you are toxic and "ruining their experience" Or in normals They will pass off "dude chill, its just norms/its just a game" and even in ranked they use "Its just a game" to excuse just chasing kills and ignoring towers. But they die ONCE and you use thier own "chill, its just a game" logic against them and suddenly it becomes "Dude its a team game. You need to treat ranked with proper respect" So which is it? is it "just a game" meaning I can play as casual as I want because they clearly have no interest in winning? or Is it a "team game" which needs to be treated with respect, in which case they cant just blow me off when I suggest that in order to WIN we need to take out the outer towers which are still untouch and even look like they got a fresh coat of polish. Yeah I have stopped treating league with any respect, even as a veteran player. They no longer have any interest in taking the game serious, just want thier "sick playz" for the highlight reel. The equivelent of those 9yr olds bragging about thier "360noscope, bruh!" So I sit here with a bag of marshmallows to make s'mores while I watch the game I loved burn. but that just means "im salty cuz im bad AF at the game" apparently
: Nobody is required to agree with you, entertain your ideas, listen to you, or even **tolerate you** in League **or** in real life. When you come to any type of public forum, you take the risk that people are going to dismiss you, especially when posts are emotionally fueled and contain tasteless analogies.
The analogy being tasteless is YOUR opinion. I see it as quite fitting, running along the same lines. You see it as tasteless, I dont. Pretty much the same thing. I have been playing for years and loved the game when it came out, then people started destroying the game to the point they are more concerned with who's kda is bigger and are more interested in "sick playz" than actually winning. League is destroying itself for its edgy "esports crowd" and ignores bigger problems. So yeah, chasing the "esports" $ is the drug, and league is destroying itself chasing it. and the response of people like you is "well if you dont like what it is, leave" My analogy still stands. It being tasteless is YOUR Opinion. Bahh Bahh, sheep. Go back to your shepard.
: I don't think you are right. People are free to choose whatever champion they like as long as they are trying to win.
thats the problem, regardless of what champ is chosen, people arent TRYING to win anymore. Players are more concerned with thier kda "pissing contest" over who's kda is bigger, who is "carrying the trash team" But suggest they stop chasing a 18/2 kda and go after those outer towers that havent been touched (unless you count minions) and they will tell you to "stfu and stop being salty" because you suggest "Stop chasing kills and take towers" So yeah, people can play whatever champ they want. it doesnt matter because this community isnt even interested in destroying the nexus anymore, just fighting over who has "most kills, bruh"
Jamaree (NA)
: It would break queues.
Queues were broken long ago. The more people that leave the game, the longer the wait time anyways. More and more people are leaving league, Hope you enjoy the 15 minute+ queue times
: Riot ought to publicly distance themselves from those people. Their toxic behaviour spreads to their thousands of fans who think that, because their idol gets away with flaming, they're allowed to flame people as well. It's especially damaging to the community when these lowlife scum of the earth parasites get away with regularly siccing their personal fanboy armies on their team mates on social media because they had a bad game. I can only imagine how many people receive hundreds of death threats and have their social media profiles bombarded with spam because they angered one of those people in a game. If you ask me, Riot ought to permaban people like this. Screw the fact that they're content creators. Much like companies, no person should ever be considered "too big to fail", and the more influential the person, the higher standards they should be held to. They are the public face of the League community as a whole, and with so many of them actively ruining games and getting away with it, it has a palpable, negative impact on average player behaviour and toxicity in games.
and yet when people bring this problem up, when people say "this community is becoming a self-entitled, narcissistic shitshow" because people are too wrapped up in "Me me me, look how amazing I AM, look how much better i am than my trash teams!" supporters and blind little sheep will turn around "well ur just jealous of X because u succ at the game" I keep telling people the level of self-importance has gone out of control, and is burning the game down because people are too concerned with how "superior" or "OP" they are compared to thier team (honestly how often do you hear someone talking about how they are carrying thier "trash team") because they see their team as -beneath- them. Nah dont bother trying to help the team, just make sure everyone knows how flaming trashfire they are, that will help them play better INSTANTLY! (said no one ever) I uninstalled the game, Now I am just trying to see how many others i can convince to do the same. I used to love this game, but they decided that spotlighting the edgy, better than u, kda padding narcissists who see thier own teammates as "witnesses to my personal glory" is more important than making a good, objective oriented, team based game!. Now its just fallen to the point of it being a kda "D*ck measuring contest" over who's is bigger (thier kda that is)
K1ntetsu (EUNE)
: Confused as a newbie
This community is destroying thier own game and is too arrogant to see beyond thier own ego. My best solution would be to uninstall and find another game similar to league. I play Smite myself. I am not saying this out of cruelty but I am saying this community is too obsessed with who has "most kills" No matter what you do, it will not be good enough for their perfectionism. I have played sinse season 3 and I recently got fed up and uninstalled the game. This community is too wrapped up in their own self-perfection to care about new players anymore. I got flamed down because I was willing to explain to new players how pings and such worked, but had to put up with a "challenger lee sin" telling me "stfu no one cares. I already know how pings work" when I wasnt even talking to him (It was a pair of new players, a veigar and sona) So yeah, Uninstall this game before it destroys you. There are plenty of other Mobas (as I said, I play smite which is like League but 3rd person instead of Top-down view) This game will be sinking fast. I am just trying to see how many people I can get out of the burning house before it collapses. League doesnt want to win, They want to pat themselves on the back over how many "more kills than u" they have and gloat about how they are "Carrying this trash team"
: > I am a season 3 player S8-9 is literally S3 tho? How much you played Smite? Proly not so long if you think that it is great game lol You are also showing blind hate with "I actively DISCOURAGE people from joining" which is complety opposite of "If you dont like the current state of the game, Just Leave!", but you are still one of them, just on the opposite side of spectrum, don't tell others what to do, that's it. You sound so butthurt in comments that it's actually sad, you hate LoL, but it looks like you hate community more than the game, which is stupid, community was always like this, hell, I wish you to spend one day back in Warcraft modes/WoW arenas, slurs and death threats and many 4fun players were bread and butter for us back then, you know nothing, let's give some constructive critism. We can have discussion if you want to. Game is in one of the best spots ever. From one of your comments > Sadly lost many accounts because suggesting to my team "stop chasing kills and attack the towers" is considered "toxic" so I end up getting banned Total massive bullcrap, you know it, you were saying stupid shit that brought nothing valuable to the game, you are part of what you hate xD Let's go through rest of one of your comment > Sinse riot pushed the "solo carry" ideal Are you sure? Feel free to watch any vods of challangers, occasionally even them aren't able to solo carry, solo carry concept died in early seasons, you live in your delusions, but you won't ever 1v9 in your main elo. > Riot has created an atmosphere where the game is NO LONGER about "Work together with your teammates to take down towers and fight through the enemy to destroy thier nexus" Blatant lie, nothing changed, players in iron-dia do this and always did. And this goes on and on and on in every single of your comments. It's fascinating how one can be delusional, you havn't played the game probably in month, yet you like to talk about it like you know everything, you started playing in S3, you knew nothing back then, but let me guess, first 2-3 seasons you played were the best for you. I feel like you peaked gold-plat and that's it, game/players started to go against you, right? I remember comment, where you were shit talking some Vayne bcs she wanted to have fun in normal game, who cares about winning in normals? You shown us two senteces of her talking, I wonder what you said. Any way, good luck with Smite, longer you play it more you hate it :)
> [{quoted}](name=DGAGAAsharpAGD,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pvvfK9Ap,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-03T06:59:58.587+0000) > > S8-9 is literally S3 tho? > > How much you played Smite? Proly not so long if you think that it is great game lol Yeah, considering I have the founder's Pack on smite, and have enjoyed it sinse the first oddysey. It has its flaws but at least its community isnt actively working to destroy it and the developers actually LISTEN to the player base instead of "heres a problem, Lets throw a shiny skin at people to distract them" > > You are also showing blind hate with "I actively DISCOURAGE people from joining" which is complety opposite of "If you dont like the current state of the game, Just Leave!", but you are still one of them, just on the opposite side of spectrum, don't tell others what to do, that's it. Nah, as I said, when I started out, I frequently went on an on about how great the game was, how there was a sense of strategy and challenge. People actually tried to go after the towers, not sit around chasing kills untill one side got bored enough and surrendered or the enemy team finally took out our nexus. Why the hell should I advocate or encourage people to join a game where the community will act like you just did and call it "blind hate" for "wrong-think" and again, you make my point for me. Rather than address the problems in the community, rather than try and fix what is dragging the game down to try and FIX IT, your suggestion is "you dont like it? leave!" So If your family falls into a drug or gambling addiction, you gonna turn around and just leave them? I mean if you dont like it. Why bother speaking up and shining a light on problems when you can just turn a blind eye and walk away. After all, its not YOUR problem at that point. > You sound so butthurt in comments that it's actually sad, you hate LoL, but it looks like you hate community more than the game, which is stupid, community was always like this, hell, I wish you to spend one day back in Warcraft modes/WoW arenas, slurs and death threats > and many 4fun players were bread and butter for us back then, you know nothing, let's give some constructive critism. We can have discussion if you want to. Uh huh, More dismissals "ur just buthurt, ur just mad cuz bad" and yeah, I will say it. I DO hate what this community has become. Self entitled, narcissistive, over-sensitive snowflakes who think they are all "Faker in disguise" and think all that matters in the game is how "better than you > From one of your comments >> Sadly lost many accounts because suggesting to my team "stop chasing kills and attack the towers" is considered "toxic" so I end up getting banned > Total massive bullcrap, you know it, you were saying stupid shit that brought nothing valuable to the game, you are part of what you hate xD Brought nothing to the game? How does sitting around chasing kills for 45 minutes while ignoring towers, Ignoring dragons, ignoring the rest of your team Help ANYTHING. This community is so obsessed with who's kda is bigger in thier pissing contest that the outer towers can stand Untouched the entire span of a match, then when the enemy actually pushes towers and steamrolls, the team will just immediately fall over, or decide its more important to chase a solo kill in top lane while the enemy team plows through and takes the nexus. But me suggesting to actually take towers, to take dragons and I get told "Stfu, u dont know how to play the game" or "ur just mad cuz bad" > > Let's go through rest of one of your comment >> Sinse riot pushed the "solo carry" ideal > Are you sure? Feel free to watch any vods of challangers, occasionally even them aren't able to solo carry, solo carry concept died in early seasons, you live in your delusions, but you won't ever 1v9 in your main elo. Riot DOES push a Solo carry Ideal, they go into a team based game and then tell each player they are a "solo carry" and put a target on the rest of thier team's back. Players are then more concerned with how "solo carry" they look so they will intentionally screw over the rest of the team so they can go "18/2" kda and claim they are "carrying this trash team" Meanwhile they WILL NOT touch Towers, They WILL NOT touch dragons, They WILL NOT bother with objectives. And often they will intentionally sit on the side and WAIT for the rest of thier team to die so they can jump in and secure one or two last hits and go back to patting themselves on the back. This is NOT a solo carry game, yet people are too busy trying to prove how "too good for this team" they are to bother helping thier team. If you think trying to 1v9 gets you ass-pats and kudos, you are on the wrong game. Thats like playing chess but thinking all you need is a pawn to win the entire match, no other pieces are required. I have had games where my teammate could sit right next to me and watch me get ambushed, wont lift a finger to help. Yet when I ask them why they stood there and watched, they respond with "I might have died". NOT "I Would have died" Not "I was for sure gonna die" (at full health), But "I -Might- have died" Meaning possibility, not a guarantee. Yet as soon as teams die, these same people will instantly jump in, secure one or two last hits, then turn around and brag about how they are "carrying the trash team" and "report my team for inting" >> Riot has created an atmosphere where the game is NO LONGER about "Work together with your teammates to take down towers and fight through the enemy to destroy thier nexus" > Blatant lie, nothing changed, players in iron-dia do this and always did. Yeah, Nothings changed hmm? Maybe because when people try and bring UP problems, you pull this attitude and tell them "Shut up and stop complaining, no one cares. Ur just salty" And thats why people are getting fed up and leaving, Thats why the wait times for matches will get longer. Thats why I will continue to steer people away from this game. Because If a problem presents itself, people arent allowed to actually call attention to it without people like you telling them "stfu ur delusional, league is great, its awesome! I dont see ANY problems" Whats the saying? "The Squeaky Wheel gets the grease"? By your logic the squeaky wheel is just jealous because it isnt as quiet and smooth rolling as the other 3 tires. > And this goes on and on and on in every single of your comments. It's fascinating how one can be delusional, you havn't played the game probably in month, yet you like to talk about it like you know everything, you started playing in S3, you knew nothing back then, but let me guess, first 2-3 seasons you played were the best for you. I feel like you peaked gold-plat and that's it, game/players started to go against you, right? Gee its almost like The game has a problem and those who can SEE the problem are trying to call attention to it, yet people like you come in and call them crazy and delusional. Yeah, I havent played in a month, I am just trying to see how many people I can pull out of a burning house before riot decides maybe its time to pull out the fire extinguishers, But then people like you come along and tell them "no, the house isnt burning, you are just jealous of all the flames" And Nah, I never once claimed to be "gold-plat" But please, keep trying to drag up ad-hominum attacks about me, all so you can go back to plugging your ears. > > I remember comment, where you were shit talking some Vayne bcs she wanted to have fun in normal game, who cares about winning in normals? You shown us two senteces of her talking, I wonder what you said. Yeah because regardless Of If its normals or Ranked, The GOAL OF THE GAME is to: Fight through the enemy team and destroy thier towers to take down the enemy nexus. It may be more casual but the goal is still to DESTROY THE NEXUS. Going back to the chess analogy, How would you feel if you sat down to play a competitive game of chess, and someone sat down next to you and started playing "dollhouse" with the chess pieces, Telling you that "if you want to win matches, you should go play another game" Yeah it would probably piss you off too if you came to play chess and they saw the chess board as a dollhouse. But keep trying to tell me how "delusional" I am for being able to see the real problems chasing people away. Game is already going downhill, No, its not in its "best place its ever been" Maybe pull your fingers out of your ears and you will be able to hear it. So who is the real delusional one, the many calling attention to the burning house that is league of legends, or the one telling those people the flames dont exist and the house is in perfect condition. Enjoy your death spiral game. More people leave, longer match wait times, lower game value, more people leave, Longer wait time....etc etc. > > Any way, good luck with Smite, longer you play it more you hate it :)
: > "If you dont like the current state of the game, Just Leave!" ^ this is just an argument people use when they don't like someone voicing their dissatisfaction/disapproval of any aspect of League, because they disagree with it. They know damn well any sensible person will quit a game they don't enjoy playing, so this argument only serves to dismiss/invalidate someone's opinion
as I said, I have played sinse season 3, when I first started I would go ooon and on about how great the game was, how it needed strategy and teamwork. Now, I actively DISCOURAGE people from joining. I tell them to stay away from it while I try and convince people already playing to walk away from the game. Now I am accused of "whining and complaining" because people have abandoned the point of the game for a "kda D*ck measuring contest" and yet will blame anyone who isnt in double digit kills for the loss when the ENEMY is smart enough to take towers. But suggesting to actually take towers means "Ur just salty cuz u succ at the game, look at ur kills" (when I am playing a support) I have already uninstalled the game at this point. I am just here to A) watch the game Burn and B) see if there are any others I can convince to leave the game. Like running into a burning building to look for any other survivors. I have tried to give constructive criticism, tried to suggest alternatives. But the response I get is "Stop whining/complaining. No one cares" Good, then they wont care when the game goes into a death spiral. People Leave ---> Longer wait time ------> More dissatisfaction and displeasure with the game -----> more people leave ----> longer wait time. all because people who found a problem in the game were dismissed as "just whining"
: "Love it or leave it" is indeed a false dichotomy (which can kill a game with an already-small playerbase), but I suspect that at least some of the critical threads getting a negative reception here are just rants and not constructive criticism.
and yet it doesnt matter if people try to give constructive criticism at all. You can try and give whatever constrtuctive arguement you want. They will use whatever they can to "dismiss" you as " ur just salty" They will Pull your KDA to dismiss you they will use a build they dont like or approve of. they will use your winrate regardless of context. whatever they can to accuse you of "ur just mad cuz bad" so they can redefine your "constructive criticism" as "ur just salty becuz u suc" Meanwhile Match wait times are getting longer. Quality of matches are going down. People more interested in having a "KDA D*ck measuring contest" than actually winning the match (seriously, people are more concerned with who has more kills, then blame the person with the LEAST ammount of kills (usually support) for the loss when the enemy destroys towers and goes for nexus) The game is going downhill in flames, I am just here with a bag of marshmallows to make S'mores off its empty husk. I have tried giving constructive criticism, but stopped when it was dismissed as "stop whining, no one cares"
Rioter Comments
: If a game isnt satisfying, why play it? Its YOUR free time. No one is paying you to play, and youre basically just wasting time in an enjoyable way. If its not enjoyable, do something else. Have fun, hope ya find a good game! (I prefer sc2 co-op mode)
If a relative of yours or a close friend is addicted to drugs and is destroying themselves, Its not worth your time to announce your dissatisfaction with thier current state. Just leave them alone and let them destroy themselves, let them drug themselves to the grave. Why should you try and tell them that you arent happy with what they have become. Why should you waste YOUR precious time to get your friend or relative off thier drug addiction. Stop whining about how they are destroying themselves because being around them is no longer enjoyable. Yeah, dont waste your time trying to fix a drug-addicted friend/family member, someone you spend alot of time with. Just let them destroy themselves and go off to do something more enjoyable. Yeah people have grown up with this game and see its self-destructive path. Why should they waste thier time trying to FIX the problems infesting the game. Just go find another game and let the game destroy itself. Let it fall into its death spiral as More people leave, the time between matches gets longer and longer. None of the problems are solved, so more people leave...the game looks worse and worse. But hey, why should people who enjoyed the game as it once was try to get it back to its former glory. Just stop complaining right? if you dont like the game? Dont play it! Just ignore it as it destroys itself. Nice logic. People who grew up with league and dont like what it has become, those who can see it pretty much destroying itself.. They should just shut up and stop "complaining" about obvious serious flaws in the game driving players away and contributing to a death spiral. Cuz fixing something they grew up with that is being ruined is "not worth your time" RiP League. I am a season 3 player, I already uninstalled. I am just here to watch the game burn. I do not foresee a chance of recovery.
: being a kda whore doesn't make u a carry
Yeah this is what the game has become, KDA padding call of duty whores who think all that matters is "I got most kills, bruh. I carry" They run around abandoning everything for the sake of the "I got most kills" solo carry title, they abandon towers (or avoid them like the plague to begin with), ignore dragons. Drop everything to run after every little kill that shows up. If you try to tell them to stop chasing kills and actually take some objectives, you get some of these classic lines: "Stfu ur just salty" "stfu u just sukk at the game" "Dude I got most kills" "bruh I am >insert kda here<. Im carrying ur ass" "dude ur >insert less glorious kda here<, stfu and stop feeding" (usually someone who is 0/2) And yet, while they ignore towers and brag about thier precious 15/2 kda. The moment the enemy team takes inhibs/nexus the "carry" player will turn around and instantly claim "/all My team is such trash, I got most kills. Report my team for inting" Meanwhile if you look at thier stats, they will almost always have NO tower kills, NO real objective/structure damage. No dragons, No baron/herald. But they will still brag about how they are the best one on the team because they have more kills than thier teammates. This is riot's fault for pushing the "solo carry" ideal which turned the game from a team based game to just another sad "Im the best" free for all, TDM wannabe. That is why I uninstalled the game. Now I am just here to see how many others I can convince to do the same. I have been playing sinse season 3. But riot is more interested in turning a team game into a free for all for the sake of esports and "sick playz" So I am just trying to save who I can while I watch Riot destroy their own game, Burn thier own reputation and take a strategic game that once took intelligence and teamwork....into a preschool competition over who can win the glorious "KDA Pissing contest". It went from a team working together, to teammates stabbing each other in the back and fighting over who's is bigger! (Their kda that is)
: How Does Anyone Enjoy This Game In Its Current State?
I am a season 3 veteran and have played on many accounts. Sadly lost many accounts because suggesting to my team "stop chasing kills and attack the towers" is considered "toxic" so I end up getting banned. But yeah as it currently stands I have uninstalled league. I am just here to watch the game burn like the trash fire it has become. Sinse riot pushed the "solo carry" ideal, the game has turned into nothing more than an arrogant free for all. Players are not interested in winning as long as they can run around and chase "most kills bruh". If I try and suggest that the game doesnt give a fuck about how many kills one has, that if the nexus is gone the game is over...regardless of How FED a player -thinks- they are. The response i get it to "stfu" usually paired with something along the line of "ur just salty" or "u succ" or "Chill dude, its just a game" before they dismiss me and run off to chase another kill (only to blame the person with -fewest- kills for "feeding" when the enemy takes towers over kills and ends up destroying the nexus, as I predicted they would) Riot has created an atmosphere where the game is NO LONGER about "Work together with your teammates to take down towers and fight through the enemy to destroy thier nexus" Their pushing of the "Solo carry" idea has now made the game more about "Compete Against your teammates to claim the "solo carry" title. Fight your Enemy, Fight your team. There can be only ONE "Solo carry" player" Thats basically going into a team game, and handing each teammate a dagger while painting target on every other teammate's back. Players are more interested in sabotaging and degrading thier teammates, tellingt hem how "Trash" they are in comparison or how they need to be "banned for inting" because they got CC'ed and caught in a 4v1 ambush. Yeah this game is going downhill, its losing money, and personally, If I can convince anyone to uninstall and find another game, I am happy to. They had a good, strategic game and ruined it for the sake of an "Edgy esport" where its no longer about teamwork, but just who can make the "sickest playz" People have become arrogant, entitled, and completely full of themselves. Rather than work WITH teammates, they would rather sit there and degrade and insult them in a sort of "I'm Royalty, get beneath my boot you filthy peasant" sort of attitude. Constantly telling players how "Trash" or garbage they are as if that will magically make them play better. Of course if you dont play the champion -they- desire, if you dont build what -they- tell you to build, or if you dare have your own strategy outside the "Flavor of the week" meta, they are happy to sabotage you and report you for "Trolling" "greifing" or "troll build" So yeah, I could go on. I still keep tabs on the game, but I am looking for other distractions. I want a strategic, team based game. Not listening to little edgelords who think they are "Faker in disguise" telling thier team to "enjoy ur permaban for greifing" because thier support went Janna when the adc wanted a "tank meta" Leona support. If Riot decides to change course, I am sure they could possibly stop the free fall, but they are interested in Money and Esports, Not making a good game. SO I am more here to try and see how many players i can convince to leave, and in the meantime watching the game burn itself to the ground. I got marshmallows and ready to make s'mores as Runeterra burns. Because all that matters is Riot's idea of the "Solo carry with the Most kills" in a "TEAM BASED, OBJECTIVE ORIENTED Game"
: Leavebuster Loss/Quitting LoL
I have to say, good on you for breaking away. I uninstalled league but still come here for the laughs. currently playing smite. But coming here to see if I can convince others to walk away from league. The pathetic community is too wrapped up in trying to claim they are the next faker, or talking about how "Trash" thier team is. And funny enough, its Americans with thier overinflated ego, a sense of "Im better than u, get beneath my boot, scum!" I uninstalled because I got sick of being told how "fucking trash" I am because I missed one ability. Meanwhile these toddlers are too interested in fighting over who has "more kills than u" in a game that DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR KILLS. I try telling them "your kills dont matter, take the towers. Once the nexus is gone, the game is over, regardless of how "totally fed" you think you are" Then when they tell me to "stfu, u dont know how to play the game" or "stfu ur just salty cuz u sukk" and suprise suprise we lose (because the enemy team took more towers and destroyed our nexus while my team was busy padding thier kda), the call of duty children will go on about how "we lost because of my trash team, I carried" I got sick of being the only one who actually understood how an Objective based game works, meaning I went after the towers. and speaking of chess, I actually tried telling these people "Bragging about your KILLS in an OBJECTIVE based game...Is Like trying to WIN a game of chess...by bragging how many times you threw CHESS PIECES AT YOUR OPPONENTS HEAD! It may make you feel good, but it does absolutely FUCK ALL for the Checkmate, does nothing for the win" and for that I get the response "Stfu u got no kills" (with me playing as a support) So Yeah, League can go die in a trash fire. I am just here to roast marshmallows and watch it burn. and this is coming from a season 3 veteran. The community decided trying to go for "most kills" is more important than winning matches and bragging about how they "Carry thier trash team" all because Riot Wants to push thier pathetic "Solo carry" ideal which takes a team game and hands each player a dagger while painting a target on all thier teammates' backs. I try to convince as many people as I can to leave league. There are much better games out there. If I could, I would hand you a bag of marshmallow so we can watch Runeterra burn together :D Riot had something great, but destroyed it all for the "im too cool for this team" esports crowd. Spoiled toddlers who think "Killz = skillz" and "Kills give gold, gold is how you win" Or my favorite Quote from one of my Mazahar junglers "The team doesnt need dragons, they arent important" (as He hands over a 3rd dragon to the enemy uncontested and they proceed to use the dragon buff to win. I believe it was 2 Infernal Drakes and an Ocean drake)
: > [{quoted}](name=TornahlTempest,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AHaJit6l,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-10T16:59:04.135+0000) > > I'm a returning player from way back in the fresh out of beta days, I wish i still had access to my old account but Im sure we all know how that is Me too my friend! :) Maybe we can play sometime? Generally speaking the solution to toxicity is to queue up with friendly people as often as you can and try to promote a friendly attitude yourself. There's not a whole lot that can be done to change people with awful attitudes, but not making their attitudes worse is generally a decent start. Reporting people who genuinely deserve to be reported is a good method too, because some people simply can't clean themselves up. ^^;
This is a problem of riot's making. They pushed the idea of the "solo carry" where only ONE player can carry the team, and created an attitude of everyone stabbing thier teammates in the back for the bragging rights, the "im better than u" attitude. The smug narcissism of these people who see thier teammates as little more than cannon fodder or stepping stones. I have watched people who will stand next to a teammate, do nothing to help them when they are alive. Yet the momet they die the player will not only jump in to try and secure the kill, but will then go into /all chat to beg the other side to "Report my team for inting" when the player wouldnt even lift a finger to help thier teammate when they are alive. I have been playing sinse season 3. I am not like these players. I enjoy helping new players. I do not see myself above them. Yet I have been attacked by these "pro" players because I took the time to help inform new players. Had a couple new players who didnt know how to use pings or emotes, kept asking me questions about wards and stuff. All the while my top laner kept going off when I wasnt even talking to him "dude stfu" "stfu no one cares" "bruh stfu, I already know that shit. Stop talking" The level of arrogance and narcissism in this community is why I uninstalled the game. Now I am just grabbing a bucket of popcorn, tossing a couple flaming logs onto the fire and watching this self-entitled community burn itself to the ground. If I can convince others to uninstall and find better games, to leave this pit of narcissim, then I have done my job. Or maybe Riot can get up off thier ass and actually try and change the direction, get rid of thier pathetic "solo carry" motto. Maybe then the community will stop looking at thier teammates' backs with big old target signs. Maybe players will start helping thier team instead of trying to bury a dagger in thier teammates' back. Till then, pass the marshmallows, I'm makin s'mores off this community bonfire
afmghost (NA)
: It's simple: For some reason or another, it has become a free for all where everyone is playing for themselves. Everyone wants to be ahead of everyone else so they refuse to help anyone, even if it means losing a game. Of course, the course of action is to try to get the player mass reported, and, hopefully, discourage them so much that they quit. TLDR: the playerbase made it a dick waving contest. Why they did that? I couldn't tell you
Yes, and it is Riot's fault. Riot has pushed the idea of the "Solo Carry", going into a TEAM game and telling every player "You are the SOLO CARRY, YOU alone can carry your team" So riot basically handed them a dagger and painted a target on each teammate's backs. I refer to it as a "KDA pissing contest" They took a team game and then told each player that there can only be ONE solo carry. Then they throw the team into the match and let them stab each other in the back telling themselves that if they have "most kills" they will be the "solo carry" I grew tired of it and have bee playing sinse season 3. I have uninstalled and will work hard to make sure others uninstall as well. I want riot to lose business, maybe then they will actually give thier head a shake and take a look at the disgusting egotistical community they have created. A communiy not interested in WINNING games, but showing how "superior" they are, how far above thier teammates they are. They have created a community that doesnt want to "work as a team to destroy towers and take down the enemy nexus" They have created a community that "wants all the kills for themselves in order to show the rest of thier team how they belong under the solo carry boot. 4 witnesses to their own personal glory" It is disgusting, and yet I will just be labeled as "salty" as a means to dismiss me so players can go back to telling thier teammates how much "inting trash" they are.
: Higher Than Thou Attitude
I am a season 3 veteran and the "better than thou" attitude among the player base is what caused me to uninstall. Besides the fact people are not interested in WINNING the match by going after towers. I have actually been flamed and insulted because I wanted to help a new player. In more and more of my games when I try to help a new player, the response I get from the rest of the team is a general "Stfu, no one cares" attitude. Even if I am not adressing the offended player, they feel it is there duty to tell me just how I need to stop helping a new player because "no one cares, I already know this shit" They think everything revolves around them. They dont need a team because they think they are faker in disguise. Its an attitude of "stfu and get under my boot" as they trash and talk about how "garbage" thier team is. anyone who tries to advise alternative strategies will get told "Stfu noob, u suk at the game" everything will fall under "feeding" "trolling" or "Greifing" And the forum seems to embrace this attitude. Riot is too stuck up and full of themselves to try and dispell this attitude that people "dont need a team". Riot has created a community of entitled little shits who think thier shit dont stink, and would rather spend most of the game looking at the rest of thier team as peasants beneath thier royal boot. They waste so much time telling thier team how pathetic they are and then wonder why they lost the game with a 28/2 kda this is because this community has become so pathetically full of themselves they are more interested in farming kills just to show how much "better than you" they are. yet they will call you salty for trying to inform them that in an -objective- based game (meaning it doesnt revolve on kills), The Game doesnt give 2 fucks about how many kills you have. When the enemy takes the nexus because a player is too lazy and too busy patting themselves on the back to take towers, the game is OVER and is LOST regardless of how "totally fed" the bragging player claims they are. and btw, Having 18 kills but NO TOWERS DOWN does NOT MEAN YOU ARE CARRYING. It means you are a greedy, self important worm too wrapped up in your own ego to bother winning the match. I dont see myself as "better than thou" when it comes to my team. But when thse players tell me to "stfu, ur just salty" when I suggest taking towers instead of farming kills, dont get to blame ME for the loss under "feeding" because they ignore towers and dragons and lose us the match chasing "1v1 me bruh"
: I agree there and that's why I referred to them as maniacs since they're quick to be hostile towards anyone going outside the cookie cutter, but I like that 'fundaMETAlists' tag more XD I'd say calling them a cult is a bit extreme, but then again it's something riot's been enforcing for years too . . .
I would call them a cult because they have a mindset of "only meta is permissable" and have even been told that I am being "reported for trolling" because I "Wasnt building meta" They treat the meta as thier religious holy book. anyone who dares say "no, I have my own strategy, I have my own build paths that work for ME" and they respond with "then you are greifing" I personally couldnt care less if -they- decided to follow the meta...fine. But Much like a religious cult, the insist on trying to use "meta" as a bludgeon to beat thier teammates over the head. I have even had players intentionally throw the match and tell me its MY fault that THEY stopped playing because I wasnt building according to "proper meta". So THEY throw the match. THEY stop playing. But its MY fault because THEY dont approve of MY build...which was actually working for me. But again...it wasnt meta! I call them FundaMETAlists because they act like a fundamentalist religious cult. With the "Meta" being thier holy book and they burn anyone at the stake (reported, banned, thrown matches, trolling, etc) who doesnt adhere to THEIR idea of "proper meta selection/Builds"
: So sick of this coin flip
yeah I have uninstalled league. I am interested in winning, neither me, nor the game, does not give a flying fuck how "uber fed" a player is. These people sit around and farm thier kills and ignore the towers. Then when I tell them they need to focus on objectives, not going 38/2, they turn around and tell me how "Ur just salty cuz u sukk" they tell me how I am an idiot who doesnt know how to play the game because I know that ou only win through towers and taking the nexus. They will use thier own kda, or mine, whichever more quickly serves as a means to "dismiss me" "stfu ur 02, u just sukk" or "stfu I am 38/2 and carrying this team" (despite the fact the player has NO towers, NO dragons, and abandons objectives for kills at the drop of a hat. This community is too busy trying to play this game like its a call of duty TDM, anyone who suggests going after objectives is just accused of being "Salty" because they are "bad at the game" (aka not having as many KILLS as the "carry") and of course when you are trying to WIN the game, they turn around and accuse you of "trolling/inting" because you arent chasing every single kill like them. I have grown tired and irritated of trying to win an objective based game while my team is more interested in fighting over who has "more kills than u" and then they turn around and report me for "trolling" when they lose because the enemy team knows how to focus the towers while our side is still running after kills while the enemy outer towers still stand untouched (and I am the troll/inter for trying to take down towers) so Yeah, Been playing sinse season 3, Uninstalled a game I loved because the community doesnt care about winning, just who is winning the K/D/A PISSING CONTEST. (Im better than u, i got more kills/cs than u, I am more pro than u, etc) I loved this game, Riot destroyed it, and the community is more interested in fighting like its a TDM. Peace, enjoy the game, It will be destroyed before season 10 (I predicted it will not last season 9) as more and more veteran players and people like me get fed up with bullshit and leave.
: Too bad there's more meta-maniacs than actual gamers here.
thats why I refer to these "fundaMETAlists" Like a religious cult. They will anyone who doesnt blindly follow thier hivemind "banned for trolling" and water down the term. Ultimately throwing games because "you are not allowed to build that! You are not allowed to play X champ in Y role" They act like they are the SOLE deciders, the gate-keepers, and the final decision makers on what champions are pre-approved for what role. You cant play anything unless its been checked, doublechecked, Pre-approved, and signed off (in triplicate and with proper forms filled out) Otherwise they will report you for "trolling" for not adhering to meta. They have turned the "Meta" into a cult! and If you do not follow it they will burn you alive like its the salem witch trials.
Spoonk (NA)
: Fix your community Riot
Part of the problem is this community is so starry-eyed on LCS they all think they are the next "faker in disguise". So they go into each match telling themselves that they are challenger teir skill, then go into low bronze and expect the same skill level out of thier team. The slightest mistake, a single missed ability and they completely explode because thier precious "perfect game" is ruined. Meantime they will sit around and farm an 18-20/2 kda...just spending the entire game chasing every single kill, all the while the enemy team is securing dragons, taking towers, scaling, etc. But the enemy outer towers stand untouched. I can go into a game and see an 18/3 mid laner with an outertower still at 98.9% health and yet if I were to suggest "You have enough kills, you dont win unless you actually take the towers" The response I get is something along the lines of "Stfu, ur just being toxic" or "stop being so salty" "ur just mad cuz bad" And then they go back to waiting for kills under the logic of "Kills give gold, gold means win" or the dreaded "Chill dude, its just a game" Here is a message from one of my matches: [ https://imgur.com/a/suAGbds ] and these same people will then turn around and report thier "team for inting" because "look at ur kills" while the enemy takes our inhibitors, destroys the nexus, and wins. Because spoiler alert: An OBJECTIVE BASED GAME DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR KILLSTREAKS. When nexus is destroyed, its over! regardless of how "Fed" you claim you are. Yeah I am a season 3 veteran and I uninstalled the game, hopefully for good. Now I am just roaming the forums, eating popcorn, and laughing as League destroys itself catering to people who think only having "most kills" and being the "OP Solo carry carrying this trash team"
: If you played 3 years Im sad that you missed the years when this game was actually good :( I agree these past maybe 4-5 years have been chaos and sometimes filled with random and dumb changes by Riot but I still hope for the spirit of early seasons to come back.. until then I will do as you and spread the negative words about this company.
I have been playing sinse season 3 (on multiple accounts) and I am the same. I am a veteran who has finally been chased away to the point I am uninstalling the game. I started playing back in season 3 with creative characters, a unique STRATEGY BASED GAME where it was almost like a game of chess. Everyone had thier own strategy and people were allowed to discover new and interesting techniques. Now the game has become a disgusting hollow shell of its former self. All strategy is gone because people are actively discouraged from building unique builds/runes lest they be reported for "Trolling" and yes where False reports will not have any effect, its still frustrating and distracting when you have people who will bitch and rally both teams to "Report X, Troll building" The game itself is one where people no longer even want to win. Ever sinse the introduction of the "solo carry" that riot pushed so hard, people do not care about actually WINNING, as long as they can chase that "Solo carry" title. They will abandon and actively ignore towers, flame anyone who suggests taking towers and objectives as "Salty" or "mad cuz bad" and use "I got more kills than u, Im carrying" as a free pass for them dismissing you despite the outer towers stand untouched after 30 minutes because people want to fight over who has a double digit kda. I Loved this game and it hurts me to see what it has become, watching the game destroy itself while people strip any strategy away so everyone plays the same. The strategy is gone, the mechanics and such have been dumbed down. I am constantly running into players who are between 8 and 11 (actively dodging the "must be 13+ to make an account" and then destroying games. People will completely stop the game because you didnt build the item they -demanded- you build, or play the champ THEY wanted. Yet all these problems and I am told "Well if you hate the game so much, stop bitching and leave" For these people yeah, If your mother, father, or other family member destroys themselves in any way, drugs, addition, whatever. Just leave them. because trying to help them, trying to fix what is going wrong....Thats just "bitching" So if you dont like it if something you love is being destroyed/destroying themselves. Dont try and fix the problem, just leave. This game has become an embodiment of a Drug-addicted loved one, being destroyed by this "TDM, call of duty" idea. Where all that matters to the player base is how "better than u" they are. They ignore towers for kills, they only think "kills give gold, and gold is how you win". All that matters is people chasing thier killstreaks. So yeah,I too have uninstalled league. Hopefully I have the strength to never return. And maybe when this game is dead and gone, riot will give thier fucking head a shake when they decided rather than making a game, they made nothing more than a "Call of duty fashion show" Funny thing is, I predicted Season 9 would be the season Riot really starts to nosedive, They are losing veteran players all over the place. I am just one of them. But what do I know, I am just "Salty AF" according to the current community. Season 3 veteran adios.
: I think you can be competitive and not behave like a dick. They are not correlated to one another. Some people simply try to focus on what they can change. You can't change your teammate's behaviour and skill level. And, as far as I know, being toxic has never helped others improve and/or focus
Oh yeah that's why when its 25 minutes In,not a single enemy tower is down, and 2 players are just running around farming kills. BUT if I politely suggest "we need to take towers,not chase kills" I get told to "stfu", that I am "just a salty bitch" and that I am "mad cuz u sulk at the game" But when the enemy takes towers and destroys the nexus, suddenly it's the 0/2 supports fault for "intentionally feeding" Not the dumbasses who think this is a TDM on call of duty. Trying to be polite and competitive in this game is a fucking joke because the community has their head shoved so far up their own ass. Anyone who wants to win (and not just farm kills) is called bad because they prioritize objectives over kills. And when you try and suggest something other than kills, they will either A) Spit yours (or their own) kda back at you, whichever works in their favor. B) claim its "just a game" and that makes you a "Salty tryhard" for wanting to win. Or C) use your kda, build, runes, or whatever they can to dismiss your arguement as a whole. (Aka "STFU ur building X/Running Y Runes/ X/Y/Z kda") So no. This community is not possible of handling someone wanting to WIN if it means it intrudes on their kda farming.
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: Kda doesnt mean much, I've won a lot of games since picking up ad Sion again but my kda is nothing special. Kda depends on the champ and playstyle. > Community too stupid and TDM-brainwashed to understand that an OBJECTIVE based game like league DOESNT GIVE A FUCK HOW "FED" you think you are. Yeah the community is stupid, they just play aram over and over and if you arent with them once their bad engage is your fault.
I remember one game I played as MF, I spent the entire game driving myself out of my mind trying to tell my team they wont win if they dont take towers. My team actually went so far as to try and pit the enemy team against me "/all: Report our MF, just keeps pushing towers. Says objectives more important" And the enemy team actually responded with "Your MF is Right" "Your MF is enlightened, you are an idiot" and they still kept complaining because I was pushing towers while they chased kills...and they tried to blame ME for THEIR loss. My team would repeatedly use my KDA as a means of dismissal. "ur 0/2 stfu". The fact that the game relies on taking down Towers, Securing dragons, destoying inhibitors/Nexus is too hard for these idiot preschoolers. They are trying to turn league into just another boring TDM. wanting to remove EVERY element of strategy from league.
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: Enemy no inhib towers, we have nash
Enemy towers go ignored while ally team is too busy fighting over who has "more kills", so the enemy takes our inhibs while thier outer towers are untouched. But the moment you suggest "We need to take towers" you get "stfu ur just salty" or "stfu u just sukk at the game" or they throw your kda back in your face like its some arguement-defeating "gotcha" Community too stupid and TDM-brainwashed to understand that an OBJECTIVE based game like league DOESNT GIVE A FUCK HOW "FED" you think you are. Nexus goes down? Its OVER. and No "Ace and we win" will change a thing if you dont actually take the fking towers.
: > [{quoted}](name=Freaktory,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=3eA9tzP5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-29T22:48:42.874+0000) > > I was on your side, I am saying that most people will claim they are "carrying" without actually knowing what it is. > They think just having "most kills, bruh" is them carrying. > They dont care about winning, they think just having most kills is them "Carrying" which they then associate with "winning" yes XD
sad thing is if I try and tell the player "No infact you arent carrying, you just have most kills, you arent carrying anything" and "You want to carry? take a tower or objectives" I get told to "Stfu" and that I am "just salty" or "Mad cuz bad" No, I am actually trying to WIN which you can ONLY do by "Taking towers and nexus" The game doesnt give a fuck about your 17/2 kda when the enemy takes the inhbitors/nexus. as soon as those go down, its OVER regardless of how "totally fed" a player claims they are. if they are that "Fed" then use that strength to take a damn tower, dont sit around gloating about how you can 1-shot enemies. I keep telling people (And get dismissed): Bragging about all your kills in League...Is like trying to win a game of chess....by Bragging how many times you can throw chess pieces AT YOUR OPPONENTS HEAD. Yeah it makes you feel good, but it does absolutely fuck all to help with the checkmate. Kills are intended to keep the enemy out of the way so they cant STOP you from taking thier towers. The gold they give is to go towards better items, making it easier for you to send enemies back to respawn, allowing you to do more damage to the towers and objectives If people want to brag about chasing kills, they need to uninstall and go back to call of duty with the rest of the kill-happy preschoolers.
: my bad, I skim read it and quickly got frustrated, all on me, I cant even begin to explain how sorry I am.
It happens, I can understand how frustrating things can be. I agree that people cant tell the difference between what is "carrying" and what is "winning" In my opinion, A player who has 18/3 kda, 0 towers, 0 dragons, 0 inhibs...Is NOT carrying as much as they say they are. The player who has 7/5 kda with 3 towers, 2 dragons and secures herald IS carrying, IS winning. I can understand how frustrating it can be.
: ***
I was on your side, I am saying that most people will claim they are "carrying" without actually knowing what it is. They think just having "most kills, bruh" is them carrying. They dont care about winning, they think just having most kills is them "Carrying" which they then associate with "winning"
: Carrying your team and winning are two entirely different things
Oh yes indeed. I have had too many games to speak of. Often its the people who will not take a single tower, avoid every dragon (even telling the team "you dont need dragons to win"...right before the enemy takes a 3rd dragon and wins the game) and yet they will point to a 26/3 kda as proof that they are "Carrying the team" No, You arent carrying. If you were carrying you would have used those kills to help keep your team alive and push lanes and towers, used the kills and gold to get better items to wipe out the enemy so your team can take towers and dragons. instead these people will ignore towers, yet drop everything to snipe EVERY KILL from thier teammates (Aka a 37/3, 0/3,0/5, 1/4, 2,6 kda) where only ONE person is "fed" and the rest of the team is starved out to the point of being not even a threat. Then the "Im carrying" player will blame the rest of the team for the loss when the fed player did nothing to help the team, nothing to take towers, nothing to take dragons, yet actively sabotaged his teammates for the sake of "I got most kills, bruh. Im da carry" Those people arent carrying, I'd say they are greifing, actively sabotaging thier team by ensuring thier team cant effectively keep up with the enemy team, thus are easily picked off. And once the "carry" player is 5v1'ed and forced to sit in spawn for 45+ seconds, the rest of the team is left helpless. All because one player wanted to be the "Solo carry" but doesnt know how an objective game works. The game doesnt give a fuck about your kills, once the nexus is destroyed, its over, regardless of how "Fed" you are.
: Lol. I feel ya. I really enjoyed the strategy aspect of League, until I realized that 3 lanes and two objectives was just too complicated for most of these stupid fucks.
I can tell people till I am blue in the face that "You dont win unless you take towers, You dont get to nexus unless you destroy towers" and the response I get is "Stfu ur just salty cuz ur bad at the game" then they proceed to point out my Kda back at me "stfu ur 0/2, reported for Inting" And they use the same tired old responses back at me "Kills give you gold, gold is how you win" No, Gold allows you to build bigger and stronger items so you can DO MORE DAMAGE TO TOWERS AND OBJECTIVES. The more gold you have, the better your items. The better your items, the more quickly you can take out opponents and force them to sit on the side and watch. The better your items, THE MORE DAMAGE YOU DO TO TOWERS AND OBJECTIVES. This is not call of duty, the game doesnt give a flying fuck about your killstreaks. as soon as the nexus is destroyed, its GAME OVER, regardless of how "totally fed" these stupid shits think they are. recently lost a game where my team completely ignored the towers but dropped everything to fight over every kill in every lane (but again, would take the kill yet avoid the towers completely) THEN turned around and said it was MY FAULT (as the support) that they lost, despite not a single tower being brought down. There might have been ONE tower downed but that was the result of the minion waves, NOT the teammates who were too busy fighting over who had "more kills than u"
rujitra (NA)
: 1. Could easily been them expressing distrust in balance/matchmaking. 2. Could be a comment about how, even at your ideal skill level, you'll only win half your games - so if you're only happy when you win, you'll only be happy half the time in League.
yeah thats why players will ACTIVELY IGNORE THE TOWERS. The whole enemy team could be dead and these players will sit in one spot and WAIT for the enemy to respawn, just so they can fight to kill them again. But going for the towers? Nah. as soon as a kill show up? they will drop EVERYTHING to run after every single kill that comes up. and no, vayne was telling me that If I wanted to actually try and "win", if I wanted to actually go after the objectives and try and win...I should go play another game. She was actively ignoring the towers and I was telling these people you only win by going through towers, not sitting around farming kills.
: The fact that you are showing us only two sentances from Vayne is sus. I bet you were shittalking her the whole game. I would run it down just for you, just for fun, bcs it's only normal and it have no real value. She only said this. Normals = fun (yeah, question is where to stop your own fun, bcs it hurts others fun, but going "Do this, do that, so we can win" in normal game is awkward af)
Nah I wasnt, though I will admit I was getting frustrated when they took the kills and would actively ignore the towers. So I ttold them you that you dont win if you dont take towers, as I always do. That was when she gave that statement. And regardless, that alone speaks volumes when someone tells you they are trying to actually WIN their matches and THAT is the response she gives. Yeah I know norms and such are intended as more relaxed. But there is a limit. If you are actively ignoring the CORE POINT of the game "To fight through enemy towers in order to destroy thier nexus", then you are infact greifing. Its kinda like how in call of duty you had a dedicated TDM game mode, But people would go into demolition (the objective based game mode where you had to take the bomb and carry the explosive football to the enemy's base and detonate it) People would actively avoid the objective in favor of just trying to turn it into another TDM. They would even go so far as to allow the enemy to kill anyone who tried to actually play the core objective of the game mode. Normals are for fun, but there is still a core objective. Otherwise you are signing on to intentionally sabotage other people who WANT TO WIN. They sign on to WIN their matches. On top of that this community seems to judge people based on thier arbitrary stats. Win-rates, KDA, what they build, who they play. and yet you are saying its perfectly ok for people to intentionally screw you over and avoid the objective because "im having fun" Spoiler alert: this same thing happens in ranked. so its not limited to "norms"
Rioter Comments
: If you arent going to take any towers, THEN DONT FUCKING PLAY THE GAME!
Not a single enemy tower down. I suggest to my team "we need towers, not you chasing kills" as I watch people take kills, wait for the enemy to respawn. Me suggesting to take towers means "Ur just grumpy and sound like you need a nap" Spoiler alert: we lost the match because the enemy team focused towers while my team was busy chasing kills. When I suggest towers, actually going for the -OBJECTIVE- of the game (destroy the nexus by pushing through towers), I am apparently being a "Tryhard" and should have "gone to ranked" If you arent interested in actually going for towers, arenot interested in destroying the nexus, get the fuck off the game. You are ruining the game and are not needed.
Infested (NA)
: they need to pretty much remove the gold from kills
well there is nothing wrong with giving gold from kills, the problem is that people forget that the GOLD....is to help you buy STRONGER items. These stronger items are intended so you can A) eliminate enemies QUICKER and B) allow you to...wait for it..... DO MORE DAMAGE TO OBJECTIVES! Dragons, Towers, Inhibitors, Nexus! These people will sit and take the kills...and instead of pushing lane, they will SIT AND WAIT for the opponent to respawn so they can begin the chase anew. There is a reason that there is NO RESPAWN LIMIT and The longer the match goes on. The RESPAWN TIME INCREASES. As I said, Is intended to force the enemy to sit in respawn and watch as you take their objectives. And yet when I suggest "we dont win if we dont take towers" I get hit with "stfu u dont know how to play. U dont have X kills like I do" As I said, They come into an OBJECTIVE based game, IGNORE THE OBJECTIVE completely. Then wonder why they lost the match with "most kills bruh" while the enemy takes towers down left right and center, caving in nexus and WINNING despite X players 18/2 kda
: So true.
apparently me suggesting to the person that has 14 kills, 0 towers, 0 dragons. And will happily abandon mid lane to thier own bot lane for kills.... apparenly me suggesting "Hey the game doesnt care how many kills you have, maybe you should go deal with the enemy mid laner kicking at your INNER towers while thier outer towers stand untouched" apparently that is me being "Salty" because "ur just mad cuz bad. U suk at the game and dont know how to play. so you dont have a right to say anything" Mid laner then proceeds to spit my own kda back at me (as a support) and claims me not having kills means they can dismiss my suggestion right then and there. But when the enemy team barrels through mid lane and takes the nexus, that same 14/2 kda mid laner will scream and cry "Report our bot lane for feeding' (with something like an 0/2....0/3 kda...yeah...feeding SO hard)
: Hurr durr "Tower win games" How do you get to the point where you can safely take towers without fear of being pushed back by an enemy 5 man? By being more farmed and fed than them?? https://i.redd.it/h9yjazx9cycz.gif
Right thats why 30 minutes in and not a single tower down. Mid laner with 14/2 kda still ignores the towers by using the excuse 'Kills give gold" and Yet after they 1-shot the enemy mid.... they SIT IN LANE AND WAIT they will take the kill, and wont try and push, they will sit there and wait for the enemy mid to respawn.
Rioter Comments
: If you arent going to take any towers, THEN DONT FUCKING PLAY THE GAME!
Yeah so apparently even now In my recent games, me wanting to actually take Towers and OBJECTIVES, in an OBJECTIVE based game, is something I should be ashamed of. "You did nothing" as I go after enemy towers while my teammates drop everything to run after every single kill. Not a single enemy tower downed. But I am "bad" because I dont have as many kills as the rest of my team 2019. when taking objectives on an objective based game = "u dont know how to play the game"
Rioter Comments
: Because incels are real? and incels are guys that are really delusional and toxic? Also it wasn't because she was called an e-girl. Those guys were disgusting in chat.
Egirl = an Often degrading label directed at females = NEVER Allowed! Incel = An often degrading label directed at Men = A-OK, cuz men. Both are real, But one is perfectly acceptable to label men while the other is never allowed because it might hurt wahmens feels. My point stands.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OnKMIAXY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-24T12:34:14.204+0000) > > A lot of incels play this game You're right bud, and thats the sad part.
So its ok to call players "incels" But the moment someone gets called an "egirl" you shed a tear and call it a tragedy, Hypocrite much? Oh wait, no. always gotta have the double standards to protect the wahmenz.
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Freaktory,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=LAv1AwV5,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-20T19:19:34.364+0000) > > Yeah I find it funny how people will use "its a team game bruh" when its convenient for them, aka they want the team to die for them so they can jump in after and clean up last hits. But the moment the team actually wants to push towers as a team or focus objectives, the "solo carry" decides "nah my kda/kills are more important...because FED" > Then they actively throw the match so they can chase kills. > I mean I had a game yesterday where my team was so busy chasing kills they didnt take a single tower at all. I tried as soraka but couldnt do anything...because SUPPORT. > Then when I suggest the shocking fact that "Yeah you dont win if you dont take towers" I got the typical response "stfu u dont know how to play" > Then the enemy took our nexus and WON while my team was busy telling me how much I suck at the game. > The game doesnt give a fuck about who is "most fed" in the game. Once the nexus is taken. Its OVER. Your kills become irrelevant and yeah, it becomes the "solo carry's" fault. Why? because rather than playing it like a team game, they play it like a free for all where the goal is "i must have most kills. thus I win" > They treat it like a Call of duty TDM where every kill they score magically destroys the towers for them (spoiler, it doesnt do shit to towers) > > This community is repeatedly trying to turn a team-oriented, OBJECTIVE BASED GAME (again, game doesnt give a oven-roasted fuck about your kills) into just another Call of duty style TDM, a competition over who has the most bloated and excessive kda, even at the cost of matches, ignoring towers while dropping everything to chase every little kill that pops up. This is why I will not honor "carries" just because they have "most kill, bruh" > You wanna play a 1v1 TDM, GTFO a 5v5 strategy game. > ("you" used in general sense, not directed) This "solo carry" goes even further they actively sabotage own teammates, even when they are overfed they eat whole minons weave under your nose because why not and dont allow anybody take the kill and this create bad situation where you have 1 overfed player and his 4 underfed teamates scrambling to complete second or third item and moment the carry dies they cannot do anything because he suck dry all resources. Evenly distributed gold is better than one player get all and usually this loss the game. And as bad game goes yesterday i have game where we practicaly win at 20 standing before enemy nexus but team refuse end and wants "fun" so they drag game for 59:30 mins, suffice to say it was clown fiesta about getting kills and i was first time in years unable bear this BS and leave the game.
Yeah I remember one sadly "memorable" game (memorable for all the wrong reasons) We had a {{champion:105}} Mid laner who insisted on being the "solo carry". So what did he do? he would actively run to ALL lanes to KS/snipe ANY kills even ignoring open towers in order to run bot and last hit kills out from underneath his starved teammates. He actively had a 37/4 kda because He would sit and farm kills but not ignore towers. When we asked him to stop because we needed kills to, he would respond with "you want kills? come and take them from me" Long story short, late game he is the ONLY "fed" champ, the other four of us were either neutral or negative. going 1/1 or 0/4+ kda. When shocking (as in shocking no one) he would get ambushed 4/5v1 and the rest of us would fall not soon after, He would turn around and blame his "Trash team" for the inevitable loss. Yeah, its the TEAMS fault that HE actively robbed and starved his team to where HE was the only one who was strong enough to stand up against the enemy team. He ignored towers and objectives for kills, got fed...and blamed HIS TEAM when HE LOST because he actively SABOTAGED his teammates. In another similar game had a Vayne who farmed kills for a 30+ kda, starved out teammates. And in a form of public humiliation after getting Bot lane to the inhib then ACTIVELY THROWING using the excuse "My team DOESNT DESERVE TO WIN" especially when vayne is the one who starved out the team, hoarded all the kills, then blames the team when the team doesnt have the strength to stand up to the enemy team. These people think "Kills = skillz" when its farthest from the truth. You can have all the kills you want but it means fuck all when you dont take towers, dont take objectives. The game doesnt give a fuck about your killstreaks/penta The game doesnt give a fuck how "fed" you are The game doesnt give a fuck about how much of a "Solo carry" you are When the nexus is destroyed, yours or the enemy, the game is over. Your kills are irrelevant. KIlls keep the enemy out of the way, Nothing more. Only the nexus leads to a win. You only win by nexus, you ONLY get to nexus through towers, Your kills will not destroy towers FOR YOU.
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Freaktory,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=LAv1AwV5,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-18T21:09:13.160+0000) > > ....When the enemy takes the nexus while you are busy showboating over a 18/2 kda, ITS OVER. YOU LOSE. NO Do-overs, No "grand comeback". YOU LOSE! FINAL! > > Sitting around for 40 minutes waiting for the enemy to respawn so you can chase them again DOES NOT WIN THE MATCH. > Each kill you get does not magically destroy a tower for you. So while you sit around showboating using your kda to shut your team up, or using their kda to invalidate any arguement they try to make does not work. > I dont give a fuck how many kills you have > the game doesnt give a fuck how many kills you have > If the enemy focuses towers and objectives and takes your Nexus while you are patting yourself on the back, YOU LOSE. Its not your team's fault for not having as many kills as you, You do not get the "most kills" award...in fact your kills are rendered WORTHLESS in a loss. > Maybe next game you will actually PUSH LANES, TAKE TOWERS, TAKE DRAGONS. TAKE THE FUCKING NEXUS! > > If you want to play this game like its a fucking Call of duty TDM where you get to fight and showboat over who has most kills....do the community a favor and UNINSTALL! > You obviously dont understand how an objective based game works, so why not go play call of duty, you can chase all your showboat kills there...you even get killstreaks! > > You can have 100 kills and still lose if you dont take the damn towers, just sitting around the entire game waitng for the enemy to respawn doesnt give you bragging rights... > Also...SUPPORT IS NOT A KILL-FOCUSED ROLE! get that through your fat skulls! > Supports job is to keep your ass alive long enough for you to take towers, long enough to help you push in to win. > Not to be shamed for not having as many kills as you. > Support is a Utility based role. Means ASSISTING your lazy ass. as in the A in K/D/A (Kills..>Deaths...>ASSISTS) > sick of being told how "useless" I am as support because apparently healing the team doesnt count as contributing to the team. I feel you but this is reality now, game isnt focused at "team play" or "objectives" at all, riot changed game direction and goes above and beyond to cater to "solo carry" fantasy. Game mentality devolved from team effort to: my own team is enemy and i must strip them from all resources so i can to become one man army and rack two digits in kills even destroying nexus is secondary. Constant forcing of fights, full fledged ARAM after first tower and "league of assassins and tanky assassins" is what we have now.
Yeah I find it funny how people will use "its a team game bruh" when its convenient for them, aka they want the team to die for them so they can jump in after and clean up last hits. But the moment the team actually wants to push towers as a team or focus objectives, the "solo carry" decides "nah my kda/kills are more important...because FED" Then they actively throw the match so they can chase kills. I mean I had a game yesterday where my team was so busy chasing kills they didnt take a single tower at all. I tried as soraka but couldnt do anything...because SUPPORT. Then when I suggest the shocking fact that "Yeah you dont win if you dont take towers" I got the typical response "stfu u dont know how to play" Then the enemy took our nexus and WON while my team was busy telling me how much I suck at the game. The game doesnt give a fuck about who is "most fed" in the game. Once the nexus is taken. Its OVER. Your kills become irrelevant and yeah, it becomes the "solo carry's" fault. Why? because rather than playing it like a team game, they play it like a free for all where the goal is "i must have most kills. thus I win" They treat it like a Call of duty TDM where every kill they score magically destroys the towers for them (spoiler, it doesnt do shit to towers) This community is repeatedly trying to turn a team-oriented, OBJECTIVE BASED GAME (again, game doesnt give a oven-roasted fuck about your kills) into just another Call of duty style TDM, a competition over who has the most bloated and excessive kda, even at the cost of matches, ignoring towers while dropping everything to chase every little kill that pops up. This is why I will not honor "carries" just because they have "most kill, bruh" You wanna play a 1v1 TDM, GTFO a 5v5 strategy game. ("you" used in general sense, not directed)
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: > [{quoted}](name=Freaktory,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=AWxLgtiR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-16T05:11:26.275+0000) > > They ping your items NOT to inform you or question you. But its a form of Public humiliation. Its a low key way of signalling to the rest of the team "hey guys, look at this idiot, can you believe he is actually building/has build THIS >insert pinged item<" Its a way of build shaming you and it is punishable. same with the people who repeatedly call out to your kda and use the "stfu ur 0/2" that is kda shaming, and again...reportable/punishable. > > But yeah, they are pinging your items so the rest of the team will bandwagon and start giving you shit because according to them you arent building "proper" (arent building according to proper, pre-approved, meta items) I see, didn't think of it that way, although it still comes with a negative meaning from pinging. And I just think they are stupid because they literally are giving you shit just because it's weird despite it actually working and doing the job you intended to do. If i want to do damage, i build damage. If I wanna survive longer, I build health. It's as simple as that and I hate ppl who give me shit about it just because the champ I play people generally don't build that way. Long ago when I would do mf and ashe support, everyone always gives me shit, but as soon as lcs does it, everyone was doing mf support as flavor of the month. I hate the majority of the community for having such narrow minds but as soon as someone high rank or lcs does it then it's "a thing" socially acceptable to do in league. If you had done tank fizz, akali before the tank meta was known, everyone would say you're a noob idiot and give their opinion on why it doesn't work like you won't have the damage needed to burst someone so it's a complete waste of time. But yet, it ended up working well and then everyone was doing it and nobody gave people shit for building sunfire on akali. It's like they give you shit no matter how good or bad you do in that game until it becomes a well known thing to do then everyone is like "oh yea that's good stuff" -_-
Yeah I build what I want based on what I NEED. Not whats "proper meta". I am constantly getting flamed and insulted because "ur not supposed to build X on Y" No I dont care who your flavor of the month meta dictates I build a specific Item. I build what I WANT, not what your meta holy book dictates I MUST BUILD or be "banned for trolling/greifing"
: You must be one of those high elo players where their team is actually good. She will always be garbage tier supp at silver and below because nobody plays as a team.
well when I play yuumi its easy to see. When the team runs solo, ignores everyone else, and just runs after their own solo kills, we lose. the person yuumi is attached to dies, she follows after, they flame, we lose. and so on. But if the team actaully tries to work together, we have pulled off a win. One game i went 1/1/27 as a yuumi support and got my cait fed.
: When people ping your items
They ping your items NOT to inform you or question you. But its a form of Public humiliation. Its a low key way of signalling to the rest of the team "hey guys, look at this idiot, can you believe he is actually building/has build THIS >insert pinged item<" Its a way of build shaming you and it is punishable. same with the people who repeatedly call out to your kda and use the "stfu ur 0/2" that is kda shaming, and again...reportable/punishable. But yeah, they are pinging your items so the rest of the team will bandwagon and start giving you shit because according to them you arent building "proper" (arent building according to proper, pre-approved, meta items)
: Stop banning Yuumi in normals
I play her in norms and she is actually alot of fun. I enjoy that they are stepping away from the "yolo solo carry" model and going back to more "Traditional support" meaning she is only as good as the one she is attached too. IF the person she is connected too sux, they will die quick and she will follow shortly after. Those who turn thier nose up at her and use "win rate" or % dont know how to play her. Their verbal diarrhea about stats is just something quick they can use to dismiss -any- arguement you make. Sort of a catch-all "im right, you're wrong" go-to. I enjoy her and will play her any chance i get. I hope this is riot moving away from the pathetic "solo carry" attitude and trying to return league to a -team- based game where you win or lose based on the team, not just one toddler with an overinflated ego who thinks they are 'the next faker"
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