: You are missing an important factor: XP As a solo laner you don't want to trade a small amount of teemo harass to be perpetually down in XP against your opponent.
> [{quoted}](name=Kanyoupipu,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T4bhhsK9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-20T23:47:08.741+0000) > > You are missing an important factor: XP > > As a solo laner you don't want to trade a small amount of teemo harass to be perpetually down in XP against your opponent. they play solo adc and be thrilled you out level your opponent. problem solved roaming support will work for you great.
: > [{quoted}](name=hoganftw,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vxPdtsPg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-20T01:07:58.180+0000) > > He didn't do anything besides play his game. And it was at the very least somewhat successful. NB3 was the one who decided to give up while everyone was still trying to make it work. It is not successful when your ADC AFKs with the sheer amount of pressure. A reliable strategy is if it works constantly with outer factors not being a obstruction. Sure some people can endure it, but it seems from the reports, the majority cannot. A strategy that your allies first impression is "i should have dodged" is the equivalent of mutiny. It is a failure to not consider the human factor.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vxPdtsPg,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-20T01:12:03.755+0000) > > It is not successful when your ADC AFKs with the sheer amount of pressure. > A reliable strategy is if it works constantly with outer factors not being a obstruction. Sure some people can endure it, but it seems from the reports, the majority cannot. > > A strategy that your allies first impression is "i should have dodged" is the equivalent of mutiny. It is a failure to not consider the human factor. what strat is successful if your adc afks? you cant be held hostage to others who quit. quitting the game is against the summoners code.
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Rioter Comments
: Is it meta
inting is something dumb kids say most of the time when someone dies.
: It feels like people don't even WANT to win anymore.
only gets worse from here. schools out for summer. If a player dies, it is a teammates fault, ff at 15. reported.
: Why does it take SOOOOOOOO long for blatant infractions to get deleted?
because riot don't care to take care of the issues. this whole board run by free labor with do nothing power. the whole board just to make you think you are doing something by posting. Its a big internet trash can that is disguised as a suggestion box.
: What's your opinions on players adding you after game to harass you?
i think you are a dope to add a player after game.
: Where we disagree is "doesn't result in anything". You only need to look at the Player Behavior board to know that statement is false. A quick look around and you'll see that hate speech isn't "tolerated", it results in punishments. Far from not caring, Riot has developed one of the more aggressive systems to combat this out of any developer out there, [and has teamed up with other developers](https://kotaku.com/riot-blizzard-and-twitch-are-teaming-up-to-fight-toxi-1823941488) to improve the system even further. What gets your post deleted is naming names, because as I mentioned earlier *that* does nothing to reduce toxicity. At this point you're just being willfully ignorant. Riot isn't "defending" or "promoting" toxicity, no matter how you look at it.
so you have laid out that there is no punishment, thanks.
: words that Riot defends
box of rocks, you are.
Aneirin (OCE)
: Negative attitude, harrassment
what did she say that was harassment?
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oqe2ZEcB,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-11T22:24:29.547+0000) > > what is sounds like is you don't understand how how you earn gold. you earn gold my last hitting something. there is no such thing as stealing gold. you simply didn't earn it. You were probs being toxic yelling at your teammate for earning resources for your team. > > I would consider not belittling your support for earning gold. they might be able to focus on playing more if you arn't yelling at them. Yeah, that's about as fake as Jinx not being a psychopath. I was trying to last hit - she would simply blast away with E, Q, and even her R post 6 in order to deny me farm. I did not yell at her, I asked her quite nicely, twice, to allow me to actually last hit and farm so that I could do my role as an ADC. I'm a support main - we earn our gold through our ward item, taking down enemy wards, harassing our lane opponents, and allowing for kills to happen. We don't do it by last hitting CS away from our ADCs. But try again, tell me more about how I don't play support.{{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
Ok, I'll try again. Some people play the game different than you do. Earning gold is a good thing for your team. You shouldn't tell people not to earn gold simply because you make the choice that you are going to let gold go to waste when you play support. You are making a case that earning gold should lead to a report. Its totally backwards. what an awful teammate you must be to play with.
: I refuse to play with arrogant/toxic players
you are violating the summoners code. if this is how you play I hope you get banned quickly.
: The Ban System From A Low Elo Veiw
bans need to be handed out more.
Aneirin (OCE)
: > while flaming myself and everyone but the top laner She then proceeded to flame, flame, and flame some more. Hmm, I wonder if there's a clue in there to what you could report her for... maybe if you look really hard you might spot it.
what would you report her for? you didn't answer the question.
Rioter Comments
: Where we disagree is "doesn't result in anything". You only need to look at the Player Behavior board to know that statement is false. A quick look around and you'll see that hate speech isn't "tolerated", it results in punishments. Far from not caring, Riot has developed one of the more aggressive systems to combat this out of any developer out there, [and has teamed up with other developers](https://kotaku.com/riot-blizzard-and-twitch-are-teaming-up-to-fight-toxi-1823941488) to improve the system even further. What gets your post deleted is naming names, because as I mentioned earlier *that* does nothing to reduce toxicity. At this point you're just being willfully ignorant. Riot isn't "defending" or "promoting" toxicity, no matter how you look at it.
how is that a punishment?
Modi (NA)
: The only time I have ever seen a thread or post deleted, is if it was just bickering, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, and there was no content within that was really of any value. That is an extreme case, though. I have seen some of those threads before they were deleted, and I agree with that decision in those instances. Nearly every other time, a thread is locked instead. While, yes, it ends possible discussion in that thread, polite discourse had been gone long before the thread was closed, typically with one or more warnings that the conversation must be kept respectful **by all parties**. > If a moderator and a few kids can't see that, such people should be made aware. Since the vast majority of any "censoring" I have seen is locked threads, that leads me to believe that there are locked threads (and possibly some deleted ones). Please do direct me to any kind of locked thread where discussion related to what you described has been moderated. Given that this thread has not been moderated in any discernible manner, I don't think I will be able to believe your hearsay at this point. > You are unaware because they silence and sensor [sic] victims. All people, *victims and bullies*, are expected to adhere to the same set of rules. When a victim decides to harass someone else (whether the original perpetrator or not), they then become a bully, and are given the same reprimand, be it post moderated or in-game punishment, within the context of *their* punishment status.
you may not under stand what the word deleted means. deleted is similar to erased, removed, or vanished. when something is deleted you wont be able to see it. Because of this it isn't a good metric to go by what you see as a gauge to how many post get deleted. because you cant see them once they are deleted. that is the whole point. this community is unaware of the trash people that they play with because riot sweeps it under the rug. Oblivious to you, you think nothing is wrong. you as well are minimizing the problem by asking for me to show you something by definition you can't see. You guys are really grasping for straws at this point, or simply unable to rationally think about this situation.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oqe2ZEcB,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-06-11T21:35:50.315+0000) > > How does it matter? Higher Elos just play according to the META. Off-META will be Off-META regardless of ELO. Gnar is tier 5 and I'm not bronze... just saying theres a difference in doing your best at something teammates agree on, but when you affect other teammates around you that isn't fun.
so is the point of ranked to have fun or to win?
Aneirin (OCE)
: You did all you can really - report her after the game and move on. {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
report her for what? earning gold?
: People don't punished for trolling give us the tribunal back
maybe you calling people trolls when they ain't trolls. Then you be the troll? so you be banned?
: What can I do when my support is trolling?
what is sounds like is you don't understand how how you earn gold. you earn gold my last hitting something. there is no such thing as stealing gold. you simply didn't earn it. You were probs being toxic yelling at your teammate for earning resources for your team. I would consider not belittling your support for earning gold. they might be able to focus on playing more if you arn't yelling at them.
: Where we disagree is "doesn't result in anything". You only need to look at the Player Behavior board to know that statement is false. A quick look around and you'll see that hate speech isn't "tolerated", it results in punishments. Far from not caring, Riot has developed one of the more aggressive systems to combat this out of any developer out there, [and has teamed up with other developers](https://kotaku.com/riot-blizzard-and-twitch-are-teaming-up-to-fight-toxi-1823941488) to improve the system even further. What gets your post deleted is naming names, because as I mentioned earlier *that* does nothing to reduce toxicity. At this point you're just being willfully ignorant. Riot isn't "defending" or "promoting" toxicity, no matter how you look at it.
you don't need to wonder or speculate. you simply look up his account and see hes still playing games. you are also part of the problem at this point. Just dismissive and trying to silence my voice.
: Where we disagree is "doesn't result in anything". You only need to look at the Player Behavior board to know that statement is false. A quick look around and you'll see that hate speech isn't "tolerated", it results in punishments. Far from not caring, Riot has developed one of the more aggressive systems to combat this out of any developer out there, [and has teamed up with other developers](https://kotaku.com/riot-blizzard-and-twitch-are-teaming-up-to-fight-toxi-1823941488) to improve the system even further. What gets your post deleted is naming names, because as I mentioned earlier *that* does nothing to reduce toxicity. At this point you're just being willfully ignorant. Riot isn't "defending" or "promoting" toxicity, no matter how you look at it.
looked at player behavior boards. Person who said that hasn't posted anything about getting deleted. what is it i should be looking for?
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LT0nrxAg,comment-id=00020000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T10:15:58.050+0000) > > you can launch your personal attacks to diminish my posts all you want. Summoners code is what it is. You broke it. You came to the board asking if what you did was wrong. You were informed that you were indeed wrong. All that you have at this point is to lash out and attack people as trolls for giving you your answer. > > you prove the point the community will be better off w/o you. Thanks for the bump man! I appreciate it. Also, the vast majority of responses here seem to say that I am fine. I am logged in right now and can play just fine, so it seems that they are correct. You are the only one saying I violated the Summoner's Code "obviously". Have a better day!
riot don't care if people break summoners code. they say they do but you are another example they don't.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LT0nrxAg,comment-id=00020000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T10:15:58.050+0000) > > you can launch your personal attacks to diminish my posts all you want. Summoners code is what it is. You broke it. You came to the board asking if what you did was wrong. You were informed that you were indeed wrong. All that you have at this point is to lash out and attack people as trolls for giving you your answer. > > you prove the point the community will be better off w/o you. *off topic* I was reading this thread to my wife and she was laughing at all your posts. She said she likes you and thinks you're funny, and she said she wants some of the Free Kittens you are offering.
so both of you laugh at the idea of rape, killing ones parents, and suicide? great bunch of people you guys are.
: > They do that. if you post the game name of a person that says such things they delete your post. they protect the abusers on this board. Suppose I made a post saying "FreeKittens threatened to troll my game, and spewed hate speech and threatening to kill my family in the lobby before I dodged." There's no way for others to verify that did or didn't happen. I could even mislead others with some very convincing photoshopped images, or claim the incident happened on another account. The only people with access to that information and the ability to do anything about it is Riot. So rather than try and get a mob together over an unverified event, while potentially harming innocent players with backlash, the rules forbid the naming. Far from "protecting the abusers", it's giving everyone a fair trial instead of a lynching based on hearsay. > You also are part of the problem with your assumption that simply reporting causes justice in the world. It didn't, it won't. > > A victims next logical action is to go to the game boards, where Riot silences and the moderators (and you) minimize a victim seeking help. They are telling victims they don't matter. It will lead to a player killing themselves, and it will be on riots, these moderators, and your hands. If you genuinely feel that the person got away with something under the radar the next logical action is a *Support Ticket*. People on the Boards can't help you get action against a player unless you're attempting to organize a mob, it doesn't make sense to do that. ----- Honestly, reading your replies, you don't sound like you're looking for justice. You sound like you're looking for vengeance. You're trying to intimidate people here into doing things your way instead of taking care of the problem the right way.
so what part of when the current systems to get an awful person punished dosne't result in anything do you not understand? its absolutely protecting abusers. you exhaust all options get no action, you post on forums... you get deleted and nothing. riot don't care. they fine with defending speech like this. And here is the community defending this awful person's actions from being noticed. It seems like you all want to live in a cesspool of community. Total lack of moral standards in what things should be tolerated and what shouldn't.
Modi (NA)
: So, A police officer lets someone speeding in a vehicle, off with a warning for their first violation. By not issuing a citation, they are defending speeding? That is quite the logical leap needed to make that connection.
absolutely they are defending it.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=erKF7rdZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-11T01:52:13.860+0000) > > so you are complaining that the enemy beat your team? That wasn't the point of the post at all?
no i think that is the point. Yi on the other team was easily able to beat this guys team to the point he knew vel koz gave up. The OP by title is crying about people trying in normals. Sorry Yi tried and your velkoz kept feeding. Don't blame the person that did well.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LT0nrxAg,comment-id=000200000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T03:57:40.529+0000) > > Its clear cut. You obviously didn't read the summoners code. If you did you would see that it says to have fun but not at the expense of others. That is exactly what this is. > > OP called someone garbo. his team took offense. Obvious that joke was a putdown to another player and they didn't like his put down. At least every time you troll my thread it gets bumped. You helped me get a lot of good responses. Thanks man!
you can launch your personal attacks to diminish my posts all you want. Summoners code is what it is. You broke it. You came to the board asking if what you did was wrong. You were informed that you were indeed wrong. All that you have at this point is to lash out and attack people as trolls for giving you your answer. you prove the point the community will be better off w/o you.
Banuvan (NA)
: I'm done...cya nerds!
haven't felt pain until your silver to gold promos you get to support a player who never had done ranked before and didn't buy boots their last 37 games. Riot don't care.
Aneirin (OCE)
: > Silencing victims that speak out against bullying, verbal abuse and hate speech isn't a very noble thing to volunteer for. Good thing he isn't doing that then. > Suppress victims by enforcing rules designed for suppression and favor abusers. Citation needed. > not a single person who has commented has made an offer to help get a person that says such things removed from the community Because not a person here has any power to do so. We don't work at Riot. If you reported them they will get punished.
They do that. if you post the game name of a person that says such things they delete your post. they protect the abusers on this board. You also are part of the problem with your assumption that simply reporting causes justice in the world. It didn't, it won't. A victims next logical action is to go to the game boards, where Riot silences and the moderators (and you) minimize a victim seeking help. They are telling victims they don't matter. It will lead to a player killing themselves, and it will be on riots, these moderators, and your hands.
Modi (NA)
: I see nothing dismissive nor silencing. The Djinn is both showing empathy and a agreeing with you that the person described in the OP should be banned. That is not dismissive. Also, I don't see any moderator here deleting your posts, or locking this thread. How is that silencing? All that has been done is fact being stated. No more, no less. > personal ownership over your action While I may be taking this out of context, I would say that **you** also must take ownership of your actions. Someone is being genuinely supportive of your cause, while also explaining the reality of the situation in a neutral voice, you say this: > Will forward every news article of gamer suicide to you. Think about it. You are saying "people need to be punished for bullying" yet you also say "I'm going to bully you into doing something the way I want it to happen". That is quite the contradiction, you have there. This all reminds me of the phrase: ## The beatings will continue until morale improves
You don't see it because it has been deleted. You are unaware because they silence and sensor victims. helping to prevent others from possible suicide is an important cause. If a moderator and a few kids can't see that, such people should be made aware.
Aneirin (OCE)
: Since when is trash talking the enemy team in team-only chat a violation of the summoners code?
Its clear cut. You obviously didn't read the summoners code. If you did you would see that it says to have fun but not at the expense of others. That is exactly what this is. OP called someone garbo. his team took offense. Obvious that joke was a putdown to another player and they didn't like his put down.
: Bullying Out of your Position.
Riot dont care. sorry. ranked is a flawless system to evaluate individual talent.
: Is ranked always like this?
yes and it gets worse every day. riot has no control over their community anymore. they don't police the summoners code or AUP with respect to player behavior because they don't care to. I can say that easily 1/3 of the people i play with violate either the summoners code, or the AUP in my games. If there is anything I can do to help get these players removed from the community let me know. I'm not a board moderator or a riot employee so I don have any pull outside the court of public opinion.
: you violated rule 4 of the summoners code. If you cant follow rules you shoulnd't have access to the game.
down votes for pointing out this person violated the summoners code. Clear cut example right here. I bet you people who down vote also don't stop at stop signs.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=it7KfejH,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T02:32:50.628+0000)if you suck at your job you should be made aware of your poor performance before someone kills themselves because of it. My JOB is at a rather small software company. My role here is as a VOLUNTEER board moderator, and I couldn't ban the player in question even if I wanted to (which, again, I would like to see happen). I'm simply telling you how the system works, and why -- although they WILL be punished for that sort of behavior -- it may not be immediately.
what you are doing is being an accessory to the awful way riot runs their community. You defend riot pushing the idea that all will fix itself over time when you have no actual incite that such a thing will happen. You simply tote the line, and act as a silencer of the community on their official boards. Suppress victims by enforcing rules designed for suppression and favor abusers. you should take some time to think about what it is your volunteer your time to do. Silencing victims that speak out against bullying, verbal abuse and hate speech isn't a very noble thing to volunteer for. look at this entire thread. not a single person who has commented has made an offer to help get a person that says such things removed from the community. Everyone that has commented has been dismissive, or attacking of a victim of bullying and hate speech. This is the community you volunteer your time over. Dismiss the notion that verbal attacks over league do not have an impact on players lives. Dismiss the notion that when a player post publicly made comments during a game in the forum they get deleted. Dismiss the notion that you are supporting this oppression of victims and have personal ownership over your action.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=it7KfejH,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T01:37:14.045+0000)silence be dismissive of victims. you are part of the problem at this point. Frankly, I'm puzzled by this, as I'm actively in favor of ensuring players like that are banned -- and evidence shows that they are, just *not immediately*. The reason they aren't banned immediately is that *the system is automated, and it is difficult to train a system to pick up on every way a player could say something as heinous as this.* If you come across something this horrific, you can always submit a ticket to **Player Support** to ensure you get human eyes on the situation. > Will forward every news article of gamer suicide to you. Friendly warning -- if you (or any poster) follow me (or any poster) around doing this sort of thing, it will lead to a fairly swift boards suspension. We don't allow that sort of behavior.
FAIR WARNING! if you suck at your job you should be made aware of your poor performance before someone kills themselves because of it. derp.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LT0nrxAg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-11T00:21:47.551+0000) > > your first problem was you called someone garbo. Bye. get reported and deleted. Fine with me. Community be better off w/o you. Abusive much?
you violated rule 4 of the summoners code. If you cant follow rules you shoulnd't have access to the game.
Kei143 (NA)
: Oh don't worry about this FreeKittens dude. He recently got banned by the system, so he's salty right now.
: Does this game get worse the higher up the ladder you get?
the game just gets worse over time. move up, move down, don't move... its worse today than it was yesterday. it will be worse tomorrow than today.
ExpStealer (EUNE)
: Overkill tryharding in Normals
so you are complaining that the enemy beat your team?
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeKittens,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=it7KfejH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-10T23:48:28.144+0000) > > you say it should 100% be punished. then why isn't it? Simply put, you are not always informed when a punishment goes out, nor can you use games played to see who got a chat restriction.
silence be dismissive of victims. you are part of the problem at this point. Will forward every news article of gamer suicide to you.
: Called Enemy ADC "Garbo" in TEAM chat. Post-game my own team told him to report me.
your first problem was you called someone garbo. Bye. get reported and deleted. Fine with me. Community be better off w/o you.
Laura ß (NA)
: RIOT stop caring what players type in chat and MORE on players actually trolling in game
FFrazien (EUW)
: Player told me to kys because I play darius with ignite on normal
Chermorg (NA)
: That's graphic, yes, but it's not a threat, they aren't actioning on it, and there is no reason to subject that to 0 tolerance or especially even flat out delete an account just because it's graphically offensive. It certainly is punishable. But just as "lol I fuvk d your momm last niteee" isn't subject to escalated punishments, I doubt that would be. And it *may* be hit harder because of the discussion of rape - they may get punished based on that game alone instead of the 2-3 it *normally* takes to get a punish.
so as an "advisor" you are cool with this. Thanks, you prove the point. Exhibit A: Riot is cool with hate speech involving killing ones mom by cutting their skin off while alive and wishing rape on a person. I would point you to 2.1.2 C of the AUP. this person's account can easily be deleted if riot cared to remove such hate speech from the community. (if you actually knew what was in the AUP you might have known that) There is no argument to be made that this person can't have his account deleted. Riot is ok with this kind of person in their community.
: Riot doesn't defend those words at all -- they're just not subject to the zero-tolerance system, because all *that* system is is a system that looks for specific words deemed unacceptable in *all* contexts. Behavior like this will reliably end up punished, just not as quickly because there's more nuance involved *as far as automated detection goes.* No one is saying that sort of language is okay, and it should 100% be punished. What they *are* saying is that violating the rules yourself in *response* to it isn't okay either.
you say it should 100% be punished. then why isn't it? And if such a thing isn't punished (which it hasn't been) what is left for the victimized player to do? It takes a few hours for riot to silence someone pointing out an obvious violation of the AUP and summoners code. The only conclusion is that Riot is fine with allowing people so say such things to other players and is fine with sweeping such things under the rug. Rather than simply fix the problem of deleting an awful persons account you do the easy way out and silence the victim. One of these days someone is going to commit suicide over such awful hate speech. That will lay easily on your hands as you fail to enforce your AUP and summoners code to provide a safe space to play a game. keep enforcing rules that actively silence victims, and your going to get silenced victims.
: Are people really this small-minded?
dude if it isn't on the internet as a guide you cant do it. It wont work. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY WORK IF IT YOUR TEAM DIDN'T READ IT IN A GUIDE!!
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