: Weird Lag, Not FPS or Ping Related
Bump this message and upvote it. There won't be a response if it doesn't get attention. I am having the same issue at times
: I'm Pantheon 51k and the champions that give me the most trouble are Teemo & Malphite maxing Q first. Riven also does okay versus Pantheon because she can shield my Qs.
I can understand Malphite if he plays safe and waits for his passive to trade with you and farm a bit, but you are Teemo's top counter. Your passive blocks his blinding dart damage, your poke bullies the crap out of him. If he is smart he will wait until 6 to set mushrooms up, but he should be behind in cs and playing catchup. I don't understand how any Pantheon can lose to him especially once he gets merc treads.
: Wrong board.
Is that so? It's game play relevant I think. If not, do you have the proper board for it? Also, you seem rather unblue for a moderator.
: Is Ranked Worth it?
Try getting less than 20 a win and more than 20 per loss. You're in a good position to climb.
Rioter Comments
Dukues (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pie Cubed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BgfBlb33,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-17T21:38:58.448+0000) > > So you're quitting a TEAM game because you don't like to have to help or work with your team? Okie. ??????????????????? I am quitting because their matchmaking system is a joke not because I don't want to help teammates. Hell that's actually half my problem is being a team player in a solo snowball meta. But that doesn't mean I need to be playing RANKED "competitive" games with first time league players. Sorry if you don't realize how stupid that is.
So a brand new player goes into placements... should he start at bronze V and only play in that range? Then because of his matchups when he finishes, his best placement will be what... bronze V? I think it's reasonable to have one game every now and then with a new player (who most of the time is a smurf these days anyhow) and I always bitch and complain about the system.
Rioter Comments
: wow. I mean, we all may as well be robots if outcomes are so set in stone. I'm done with your close minded nonsense.
Yeah... solid argument. You really broke down his counter thoroughly.
: > As far as Ivern goes, runic echoes is in the standard suggested build. It may be the suggested build but it isn't the standard/typical build. Ivern will generally build Hunter's Talisman, Ionian Boots, Athene's Unholy Grail, Redemption and Locket of the Iron Solari. He doesn't actually need to upgrade his jungle item; you can just sell Talisman late-game for another item. Not meant as a criticism, just build advice.
I don't use Ivern anymore. Even when winning with him the team always complains. When the team gets bent out of shape, they do dumb shit. So I don't use him anymore. That's another bronze attitude.
: He has a point but this was touched on Morello Years ago. the problem with bronze is that it contains like 80% of the population of League, and bronze has the LARGEST and most DIVERSE skill pool of all the rankings. bronze contains Try hards, trolls, new rank, and so on that the people who want to climb get caught up in this large pool and makes it even harder. IT was even stated years ago by higher ups in riot that they need to fix the Ranking system because currently if you can't climb out of bronze in the first month after a reset then normally you have a 75 % chance of not climbing out at all I know the last 10 games on my history I've had, Int feeders, Afkers, Players who don't know how to play their champ and so on. its rather frustrating. So I gave up on ranked its the only mode I play but I accept i'm not getting out of bronze this season and i'll just have to try again next season after the reset.
Thunk (EUW)
: What if itold you... it's like this in every elo up to masters. The only thing you can do about it is get better. I know it's a broken record, but the only constant is you.
The frequency is not even close. When someone tells me they started from B5 and worked their way out, I immediately think wtf? Then I realized that B5 is split. There is the B5 you start the season with (assuming you shitcanned your placement matches so you could smurf your way up), and there is the "I'm lower than 50% significantly B5" The former is mixed with similar players at the start of the season. You get a larger frequency of players who are actually trying to climb. The latter is when your MMR drops to around 900-950. And I know that op.gg can't be trusted to mark your MMR as league calculates it, however the changes in MMR calculated by op.gg is a good measure of where you are relative to other players matched with and against you calculated under the same standard. So when you are low MMR, you are matched with similar MMR. In B5 mid season, this is where the highest frequency of trolls and afk's and "fuck this system" players are. I'm quickly becoming one of them. God help you if you get on a win streak. When you do, Riot says "hey let's see if this guy belongs here" and matches you with lower average MMR to test you. That's when EVERY game has an afk, troll, or fuck it type player. Often more than one. It's not even close to 50/50. When I've dropped about 5-6 games, the frequency drops. I understand a system meant to make you prove that you can get out by skill. But in Bronze, this is a different requirement. It's not skill that gets you out if skill is no longer the measure, but whether your team actually STAYS in the game and continues to try to win.
Bambei (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeVolibear,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yepfGc57,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-10T03:22:21.034+0000) > > Anecdotal response. Because you did it, it must be so. Don't take my word for it. Search for innumerable bronze 5 to X series on youtube or other video platforms. > In the long run doesn't matter if you ALWAYS have an afk or troll? Or just someone REALLY bad. In the long run it helps you if you're never afk/a troll/ super bad because the enemy team has a 55% chance to get one of those, you hav 45%. >I just Jungled a game with Jax. Ganked well and got fed. Tried to turn it into pushed lanes. Team REFUSED TO LISTEN and >help push lanes and objectives. I tried to help where I could and always ended up having to SAVE them from a stupid fight >that had NOTHING to do with objectives. Check my last match. I carried like a fukin champ and STILL we lose. STILL! How? >Your anecdotes don't explain that. You're Jax. You should be splitpushing if at all possible. You don't need them to help you. Don't save them. Just ping them back as much as necessary while you get turrets on your own. Jax that fed can 1v2 easily, 1v3 with good play. Wait for a good opportunity and take it. That is you fundamentally not using your champion to the fullest even when you get a massive lead (which is great, but you need the knowledge of how to use it too.) >Your responses will ALWAYS point to the conclusion you have already drawn in spite of immediate evidence. Look through >my match history and look at other builds on teammates. Look at their CS and level at more than 20 minutes. They look about the same as yours. BoTRK thresh? Runic Echoes Ivern? My conclusions are based on the evidence I have in front of me. You blaming your teammates builds while you go BoTRK thresh and Runic Echoes Ivern seems like you don't understand how to build either. >Not just my stats. My stats can't be good when i am versing a team that is fed with allies that are dead. It's >happening way too frequently. I was 35 games under even before I started turning it around. I was within striking distance >of 50% and low and behold, the trend reversed itself again. It is harder to get good stats when behind I agree. But even in games you win your stats don't improve beyond K/D/A. That indicates that you're right about where you belong. CS remains largely the same, you still don't ward even when you win, K/P is about the same. > I've played in silver matchups and thrived. Thats great. That means you can hang with that specific silver player in that specific matchup. You could be gold level in matchups. It doesn't matter if the rest of your game is lacking and holds you back. However, being able to play matchups at ahigher level (if it is consistent) is a good step forward. > I'm not saying I'm even gold or close. But i KNOW I am better than the crap i am match up with. At the end of each match i look at my win% sitting at around 48%, and I am matched with teammates who are sub 30%. It's fuking ridiculous. Then play like it. Ward, CS, don't build Blade on Thresh. From the looks of it, if you just spammed Galio/Volibear only you would climb. If you look at those games, you consistently do better on those two than your other champions, which directly leads to those two champions having a higher winrate for you.
> They look about the same as yours. BoTRK thresh? Runic Echoes Ivern? You're missing context. Lissandra was slated for bot. She picked after I picked thresh for support. She claim she thought she was mid. So the players asked me to go AD thresh. I've never built AD thresh before, so I looked up a quick guide to see if it was possible and did poorly. The troll pick of Lissandra bot forced my hand to so something unfeasible. As far as Ivern goes, runic echoes is in the standard suggested build. I've had success with Ivern with that item in the jungle, so one game where I did poorly with him is not a good sample size. As far as Galio and Volibear, my earlier success is not translating to current. When I go Volibear, I have to get lucky that my team understands how he works. Ganking is his strength, but can't really gank when my team is pushing their lane to the tower and pinging me off when I come to help push. When I leave their lane, they get ganked by a ww or a xin who happily demolishes them for overextending. Then I get a report for being a bad jungle. W/E. Galio wins come at a price. He's a great mid counter. He shuts down most AP champs with his early MR and the scale that comes with building more MR. The problem is, galio success comes from team play. You have to get lucky and get a team that understands his ULT is reactive. I can't tell you how many times I have had an ADC ping a solo champ who is running from them, then bitch at me on all chat that I should have ulted him and don't know how to use my champ. My point is that the stats you see do not tell the whole story. You are missing a large part of the context behind them. If game wins and losses were highly dependent on me alone, then you can quote stats all day. You can't possibly ignore the impact that the other 4 members of your team have on not only the game outcome, but your performance as the game draws on. If you split one lane, and your team is playing call of duty in the jungle, you CANNOT also push the other two neglected lanes. And pushing to inhib makes NO sense when your team that is behind naturally dies in the jungle (because somehow they think they will win the 5th team fight to a fed opposing team after having lost the previous four) and suddenly you are left with the choice of continuing to push the lane, or backing and trying to decide WHICH pushed in lane you are going to die defending, knowing that the other lane is going to be lost for free. But yea, I should be able to split push a lane, MAGICALLY make my team listen to me (such as pinging them to either back from a fight, or kite them and keep the enemy tied up chasing while I grab a quick inhib) AND defend the remaining two neglected lanes. Because THAT is what it will take to win. Wtf ever man. Dream your dream.
Bambei (NA)
: Easily. Like I said, the game changes. Between the end of that season and the start of the new one, the game massively changes. You might indeed have gotten less good at the game because the game changes. You might've been better at the older version of the game than the newer one. Trolls and afks are a temporary setback. In the long run, assuming you're not trolling or afking ever, they actually benefit you. The enemy team has 5 chances to get one, you have 4. I know b5 is has more of them, but it is nowhere near enough to keep you down. Especially because it should benefit you in the long run. Elo Hell is indeed a rumor. I've gotten out of bronze 5 three seperate times. once was hard because I was just starting the game and I belonged there initially. The other 2 were on smurf accounts and it was fairly easy and quick. Don't take my word for it though, look at boosting services. How can they pick up any account and get them out of bronze 5 if elo hell is a reality?
Anecdotal response. Because you did it, it must be so. In the long run doesn't matter if you ALWAYS have an afk or troll? Or just someone REALLY bad. I just Jungled a game with Jax. Ganked well and got fed. Tried to turn it into pushed lanes. Team REFUSED TO LISTEN and help push lanes and objectives. I tried to help where I could and always ended up having to SAVE them from a stupid fight that had NOTHING to do with objectives. Check my last match. I carried like a fukin champ and STILL we lose. STILL! How? Your anecdotes don't explain that. Your responses will ALWAYS point to the conclusion you have already drawn in spite of immediate evidence. Look through my match history and look at other builds on teammates. Look at their CS and level at more than 20 minutes. Not just my stats. My stats can't be good when i am versing a team that is fed with allies that are dead. It's happening way too frequently. I was 35 games under even before I started turning it around. I was within striking distance of 50% and low and behold, the trend reversed itself again. I've played in silver matchups and thrived. I'm not saying I'm even gold or close. But i KNOW I am better than the crap i am match up with. At the end of each match i look at my win% sitting at around 48%, and I am matched with teammates who are sub 30%. It's fuking ridiculous.
Bambei (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeVolibear,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yepfGc57,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-10T00:56:36.125+0000) > > So when a teammate afks and their lane comes to yours before 10 minutes, and I am not able to cs, or get dove because numbers, that makes me unskilled right? Getting dove because of a lack of vision or respect for missing enemies is a flaw yes. I also doubt that first part of your statement happens so often that it keeps you down. Statistically it should help you because (assuming you don't do that), the enemy has a 55% chance of someone doing that while your team has a 45% chance. > Typical response is to look at the game stats, and make assumptions that there is nothing other than skill that can be the issue. It is typical because 1) that is mostly what people have to go on and 2) because statistics can say a lot about you. If you have 2 cs/minute as a midlaner over 50 games, you can safely say that player is bad at csing. >If I never made it to B1 (solo queue, not with a partner) I would understand. So i have the skill to have been there. Not necessarily. You had the skill at the time in the current state of the game. Unlike Chess and Checkers, League is constantly changing. Maybe a part of the game you were particularly good at that isn't relevant any more. For example, I'm a Jhin player. When the lethality Jhin/Varus only meta came out, I rose quickly while my traditional adc playing friends fell. When that meta faded away, I fell and they rose. The same might've happened to you. > I never complained about not being able to rise due to teammates in any other rank than Bronze 4 and 5. You simply ignored the central theme Because it isn't relevant. People say they're stuck at X rank and its always the same story. I've also not addressed it simply because I know it isn't true that those ranks magically get people stuck. I've been in that rank. I got out multiple times across different accounts. If you're better than that rank what happens is you consistently positively impact games, which gets you a solid winrate.
> I've also not addressed it simply because I know it isn't true that those ranks magically get people stuck. I've been in that rank. Then how do you explain that I stayed in b1 and b2 for several months end of last season, then the mandadory rank drop puts me in b5. I proved I was viable in b1 b2. Now I am suddenly less skilled? I love how you say you got out and that afk's and trolls have NOTHING to do with it. In fact, none of you EVER address how to win a string of games with players like that. I've look through game replays at higher ranks and they can do no different with an afk. They lose just the same as me. I am telling you the pool of players in b5 are far more saturated with players of that type than in higher ranks. ELO hell is not just a rumor. It's a fuking reality. I'm done with you, you just spit out canonical nonsense without addressing the points.
Slythion (NA)
: I've climbed from bronze 4 -> gold 5 *3 times in a row now* with 70+% win rates...it's not the game's fault bud
I don't care what you did. I am not complaining about not being able to climb. I am fuking talking about the fuking quality of matches when you drop to b4 and b5. Congratz. You're a gold tier player playing in b4 and you happen to NOT get swamped with afk's and trolls. If you are telling me you can consistently win games with a teammate leaving the game bc he didn't get fb right away, get his position , or like where he is in the rank system EVERY FUKING GAME than I call you a liar. PROVE IT. I've been in the top bronze and stayed there for awhile. The match quality is significantly different. I can play on my other account (which is bronze 2 in the same night and match better quality. I have very few champs with that account so it's not worth ranking up. When your MMR is above 1000 you don't get matched with as many of those types. When you get a streak in High bronze, your MMR is matched with players you can play with, even if they are less skilled. When you get matched with LOW MMR after you hit a streak in B5, you get matched with a cesspool of players who do NOT give two fucks and will troll just bc. How do you NOT see the logic there? It's constantly brought up and people still say "git gud" to avoid the obvious problem.
: hone your skills before you play ranked at all. try again next year unless you are truly determined then keep going friend.
I have more than 800 games this season alone. I have been playing since 2012. I'm not a new player. Next year, even if I climb to silver, I will be right back in bronze even if I win all placement games. That's what they did this season. Good job pulling that cookie cutter response out of your ass though.
Bambei (NA)
: I'd be more inclined to believe you if you had good performances consistently. As it stands, you don't. Your csing is consistently below par, you buy none or one control ward per game, you die a LOT sometimes (double digits). If you're better than the people you're against, do well. I've personally done it myself without a problem. You can see the difference even between my solo/flex games. I do better and win more in the flex games because I'm in a lower flex rank than my solo/duo rank. If you can't get out, you're not good enough yet. That doesn't mean you'll be stuck forever, it just means you need to improve first.
So when a teammate afks and their lane comes to yours before 10 minutes, and I am not able to cs, or get dove because numbers, that makes me unskilled right? Typical response is to look at the game stats, and make assumptions that there is nothing other than skill that can be the issue. If I never made it to B1 (solo queue, not with a partner) I would understand. So i have the skill to have been there. I never complained about not being able to rise due to teammates in any other rank than Bronze 4 and 5. You simply ignored the central theme I am discussing and choosing to interpret the stats the way you see fit in order to sweep it aside as "not a problem". Drink that koolaid man.
Rioter Comments
: > This is the only reliable way to get that. If you blame the system less and focus on what you can do before picks are locked in then you will learn how to prevent the situation in the first place and you will be able to climb faster and with less stress. I'm arguing it's not the way in the first place because it's wrong to do. > [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZAzAYcOa,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-01T20:41:05.020+0000) > > No. I don't start shenanigans, and I told you. I don't dodge every match. They start the shenanigans, and they get the responsibility of dodging. If they don't dodge, and I get a loss for it, the only one escaping from consequences is them. OK, retaliating against shenanigans is just as bad. If they behave poorly just mute them and report after the match. You never have to see them again. Just because they behave poorly does not give you a right to do the same. > Don't portray the other 4 people as saints and me as the devil; that's what you're doing. I don't think you are a 'devil,' but I do think you act like one when you hold teammates hostage to make them dodge. You shouldn't do that. It's a devil thing to do. I believe the saying goes, "Two wrongs don't make a right." > It's not running from the problems. It solves the problem. The problem is that I'm getting a loss. You are literally trying to manipulate your teammates into dodging so you don't have to. That's very nearly the definition of running away from problems, or running from consequences at least. > The solution is to win or get in another queue. Your 'solution' is to act like a child and abuse your teammates until they dodge. That isn't a solution, it's called being toxic.
This entire response is analogous to victim blaming. It's like saying it's your fault for having valuables in your home when a thief breaks in and takes your shit. Solution? Thieves exist so it's up to you to not enable them by having good shit.
Jo0o (NA)
: Oh, perhaps. Your point is a fine one, then. Though OP's log isn't... great. Arguing all game is detrimental and doesn't help, even while being trolled. The best answer to the situation OP showed us is to mute and report, or perhaps even bite the bullet and take Support.
Are you suggesting that OP should have taken a position he was not rightfully assigned if someone wanted his position even when not assigned? I don't like the "take the abuse and quietly report" implication either, but at least that somewhat makes sense, but this suggestion to give in to a troll is unbelievable! I find it bold you even suggested it. o_O
limesn0w (EUNE)
: Seriously though, how do grades at the end of match work?
MysterQ (NA)
: Splitpush is just hard to answer imo. And I am a solid bronze player so I can say I have seen myself and my team throw so many games to splitpushers. Oh lets all group mid and ignore that guy top... who is not at inner... who is not at inhib. Oh ok inhib is gone. This even happens when I play normals with my Plat ranked friend on top lane. Like dude go manage your lane. But people either send too many resources for nothing or send no resources and lose it. And it all matters on the pace of the game if your team can fight 4v4 or not etc. But it is tough especially without comms. Also, since splitpushing only takes one champ. I imagine some players see Oh that guy destroyed our inhib and base by himself. So more people remember him and pick that champ up over the teamfight guys who don't stand out.
> Oh lets all group mid and ignore that guy top... who is not at inner... who is not at inhib. Oh ok inhib is gone. This! So many seem to think group mid is that answer. Then they mill about the tower that the other team decides to defend, and whittle themselves down until they are retreating. Meanwhile, back at base camp we have two pushed lanes, the enemy following the retreating team and now all three lanes are pushed. All because some don't understand when to back down from a turret.
AI Qaida (EUW)
: > Not that it isn't a good strategy (any strat that wins is a good one), but the dynamic seems to be a function of how little players want to work with each other in Bronze and especially the trust involved in participating in a team fight. I've seen so many games now where my team, In my opinion "just grouping as 5" does not really constitute "working as a team". Grouping as 5 is probably the least demanding rotation ever. Splitpushing requires smart rotations that should be made aware of the most pressing objectives and quick reactions to not get caught. > or their team get aced several times, then one champ will push bot, one top and 2 or 3 will jump back and forth while a team with a legit tank and support (who typically cannot clear waves well) are trying desperately to put out the tower fires. Lane pressure is an important part of the game, and I would think this is a good thing, but I am curious what others think about this development. Is it a function of the ranks, or is it a function of the class/role/item changes? Yeah, 1-3-1 is just way too hard in my opinion. Teams that do this usually have Zed/Riven and it really doesn't work that well because they just get caught and surrender objectives. Meh, wouldn't recommend in soloQ.
> Teams that do this usually have Zed/Riven and it really doesn't work that well because they just get caught and surrender objectives. I'm strictly speaking of team comps that have wave clear and mobility in their kit, or at least add wave clear to their kit via items. Pressure is so hard to respond to if you can't clear waves also. Typical responses I see are people chasing after one (most of the time it's 2 -3 players who see a single player and think "Hey let's get him he's on his own") and then two lanes are being pushed by wave clears while they chase him around. I don't see that happen near as much in higher bronze, but in low bronze it's almost always the case. When I split push (which I mostly do now) I clear a wave and move to the next when I no longer have vision (or know they are dead) of more than two enemy champs. I know they are coming for me so I either move to another wave or I back. Typically my teammates will flame at me for not team fighting or going ALL MID even if we get several towers out of it.
Rioter Comments
Jamaree (NA)
: There isn't ever going to be a system that doesn't have problems, remove auto fill and you get long queues again, old system always had last pick rung support whether they wanted to or not, got to take the good with the bad
As I said. Dodges are already giving long queues. Take away autofill and you may still wait, but at least people play the role they want and have a better chance to win.
: Out of curiosity, what rank are you at? I have never experienced something like this.
You haven't had multiple queue dodges? You must not be bronze. I am.
: Sitting on 12th minute with 3 queue dodges and around 5 minutes for each dodge to happen
4th queue dodge now. It has been 30 minutes so far and no match.
Rioter Comments
: The purple thing in the baron pit before 20 minutes.
kasfas (NA)
: Here are the problems with shifting defensive stats from health to resists.
: Yorick with Harold, zz rot, banner of command, his ult, and your lane.
: Rift Herald is a problem.
I had a yorick bring the herald and the maiden to my tower. Half my wrecked my tower, but I focused the herald (with trundle I think) and killed him and the maiden. Net loss for me was one tower. Net loss for yorick was the herald. I suppose if I didn't want the herald owning my tower, I should have fought for it.
Ulanopo (NA)
: >oh wait, you didn't look at the player history did you? You would be incorrect in that assumption. There are too many AFK's and leaves for my liking, but I trust LeaverBuster to handle it. You should too.
Leaverbuster doesn't catch a person who is moving around in the game. He isn't technically away from the keyboard unless he runs a bot or something. He moves around just enough to NOT get caught by the system. I trust leaverbuster to hit those who leave the game, or sit idle and get disconnected. So my assumption is correct. How did you see leaves in the history? You're not getting the point. You're like a campus security playing cop, and the cop you are playing doesn't even investigate, he just shuffles it down the line because having problems is too much work. Lazy.
: Why do some LoL girls start ignoring me for no reason but dont unfriend?
Letting you in on a secret that shouldn't be so secret. No woman/girl is obligated to talk to you, anymore than you are obligated to talk to anyone. Whether they are busy, not busy, blowing you off, or whatever, it is their prerogative. The sooner you learn that, the better off you will be. TBH your complaints comes off as needy, demanding, and self entitled. I feel pretty confident that this attitude comes across to girls you chat with on the internet. For some reason, just because a guy sees a girl on the net, he automatically assumes she is there to boost his ego. Trust me when i say that scores of guys just like you are also trying to get their attention. Are they supposed to exhaust themselves satisfying each and every chat demand from every guy that wants their attention? Doesn't make much sense does it?
Ulanopo (NA)
: >So because he did well, that erases the games he afk'ed? It does not. I merely suggest you consider observation bias.
Bias? In what way? I think you should take your own suggestion... oh wait, you didn't look at the player history did you? Of fucking course you didn't. The boards protect against discovering someone is a toxic asshole. My bad.
Ulanopo (NA)
: Except the person you're talking about went 27/2/3 in your most recent match and most of the times you have seen him _he's been on the other team_. I deleted the image.
So because he did well, that erases the games he afk'ed? And he was on the other team twice. He was on my team 5 times where 2 were dodged, one we won WITHOUT him (afk) and 2 losses. Two cases were outside of the match history limit I searched. Where did you learn math sir? Even if he was on the other team EVERY time, what logic are you pushing? That since it affected someone else, it's not a problem? I at least admitted that. Please use fact rather than inferring things based on what YOU want to present. Misrepresenting the issue only helps cover up the problem. Which means you are part of it.
MysterQ (NA)
: You need to win a lot or make a new account to fix your LP. In bronze, I was +24LPwin, -14 LP loss. At my worst loss streak +21LPwin, -16LP loss. So I was able to climb. Now in Silver, I am +27LPwin. This is RIot's (bad) system to say you are winning a lot, so we will help you climb to the next rank. In your case, you have lost a lot so they are forcing you into the lower rank. The only way to fix this is to win a lot a lot or to make a new account. Play a splitpush top or jg. It is how I got B5- to B2. Nasus, Udyr, Yi, Jax. Nasus is safe because he is a tank, but you got to commit to the farm. Udyr is pretty fun and can help the team. But if the team sucks you can just go out on turrets and run away. Same thing for Yi. I never played Jax but his kit is designed to destroy turrets. It is possible. When I was Bronze4, on Nasus I would just walk up to Inhib and Q it down. I hate to say bronze is bad but a Cassiopea jept trying to duel me and just died. If they sent 3-4 men at me I would die, but I could stall long enough to hope my team does something. Nasus is slower than a Yi or Udyr though.
Tried nasus split push. Team typically cries that you are not team fighting, or they feed while you are stacking. This may work at ranks where people understand split push and how your absence affects their fighting strategy, but most lower bronze don't care. They want to fight all the time and you not participating earns you flaming and reports.
Bambei (NA)
: That means that your internal Match Making Rank (MMR) is lower than the visible rank you have. To fix it, you have to stabilize and win 50% of your games for a while until you prove to the system you don't belong where it thinks you do currently.
Not true. Winning 50% of your games while your MMR is lower than your rank will not raise your rank. You need to have a TOTAL 50% win/lose rate to get your lp gain back to around 20. I hit a few bad streaks and got -30 behind (about 46-47 % win rate) and when I am in b4 my win lp is around 12 to 13 for that percentage. When I drop to b5, I gain about 18-20 again per win. Now that I am 48% wins/losses (total) I am up to about 14 lp per gain and around 22-23 per loss. You need to get back to TOTAL 50% to get an even exchange of win/loss lp.
: Just a heads up: to be certain you're staying within the forum rules, when you post images like this you should edit them to remove summoner names (leaving your own name is OK).
Someone can just remove it. I give up. Obviously the system protection of summoners extends to toxic players. He'll just keep getting by with it and there's basically nothing else I can do. Reporting doesn't work. He is still doing it (checked his recent match history and he is still doing the same shit), he will continue to do it until something is done to stop it. Nothing has been done so I am left with the assumption that no one wants anything to be done.
Ulanopo (NA)
: [FreeVolibear op.gg](https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FreeVolibear) Could you please point out the match you're referring to?
Check these images. I'm not naming anyone, but you may draw your own conclusions and research further if you think it's any use. The last game I played with him, all his toxicity was in the champ select. The support changed roles to suit him and he still threatened to afk after laning. In the game we were doing well and he kept saying "Should I stay or afk?" No one responded and he stayed and did well and we won. I reported him for his champ select threats and for the in game afk threats. Unfortunately I cannot post dodged games. I know I was in 3 games with him where one of us dodged bc of his threats. There is also a game I found in my history 15 days ago where I was jungle and we won and I didn't even notice him. The games just outside a month are no longer accessible, but there were two (one he trolled my team and the other his team remade right before the troll game).
: Seriously it's like you did not even TRY to hide the fact you did not read the post... He never fed. He simply would wait until 3 minute mark when no one could remake. Then he would repeatedly walk to wolves, hit them once, then go back to spawn. He did this repeatedly throughout the game like it was on autopilot. I queue sometimes during the day when I am working from home, and then mostly after work. He plays very often (history shows that). And I can't answer your question. Perhaps Riot can o_O why don't you ask them? Champion select toxicity is where he starts, failing getting a dodge he proceeds to plan B, which is make everyone pay for not catering to/dodging for him. He does this by the aforementioned afk method.
You won't believe this. But I have matched with him AGAIN as I type this. He is in my game now threatening to do the SAME crap. Check my history after this match and you will see. Un fucking believable!
: Give me and my buddy X roles because we're smurfing. If you don't give them to us we'll int feed.
So because you are plat 4 this should be instant? I thought toxicity ban justice applied equally to all players. Either way I sympathize with your complaint. It's been going on for years now and I don't think Riot has an answer, nor have I seen any evidence of them mentioning an intent to address it outside the current automated report system. Which doesn't do anything for champ select toxicity.
Ulanopo (NA)
: >You mentioned feeding. No one said anything about feeding. I put in a ticket. nothing was accomplished. If you're not talking about feeding, I don't understand. The IFS hits toxic chat _hard_. > I still matched with/against him 4 times after the first report, 3 times after the second, 2 times after the third, and once again after the fourth. I checked your rank and there are enough people in your queue that this shouldn't happen. Are you queuing at odd times? >The next time I see him, I will have to cater to him so I don't lose a game (dodge) which will lead to a penalty on me. Are you talking about champion select toxicity?
Seriously it's like you did not even TRY to hide the fact you did not read the post... He never fed. He simply would wait until 3 minute mark when no one could remake. Then he would repeatedly walk to wolves, hit them once, then go back to spawn. He did this repeatedly throughout the game like it was on autopilot. I queue sometimes during the day when I am working from home, and then mostly after work. He plays very often (history shows that). And I can't answer your question. Perhaps Riot can o_O why don't you ask them? Champion select toxicity is where he starts, failing getting a dodge he proceeds to plan B, which is make everyone pay for not catering to/dodging for him. He does this by the aforementioned afk method.
Kei143 (NA)
: wait, you are in bronze? how the heck do you get matched with him 3 times? i can understand high levels getting matched together again, but in bronze?
It's in my player history. He matched on my team twice in the span of a few days. He match against me once in that same time frame. Basically I recognized him on the other team (because the same thing happened a month before). They remade bc someone on their team went afk. I won't speculate why. I made a new game after grabbing a cup of coffee. He matched with me. He told our support (who picked Soraka) that he did not like that support and he should change or he would afk, or leave lane. The player locked Soraka. He then threatened to jungle with Miss Fortune. He picked smite. The game started and after three minute mark he would run to wolves, hit them once, then go back to spawn. He repeated this all game. Somehow we still managed to win the 4v5 and I remember Soraka lost connection for several minutes mid game. I reported him as I did each and every time I saw him match with me and had pulled the same stunt. Several days later (today) he matches with me again. He picked Miss Fortune again. I reserved judgement as his player history does show games where he played and played well. The other team bans Miss Fortune. I can only speculate that it's possible he matched with them earlier and someone dodged and the team made a guess of it. That's speculation. He proceeded to pick Fiddlesticks at bot. I warned the team that he has done this before, and another player dodged the game. I do NOT want to match with this dude again. But for some reason, he keeps finding me. Just as bad, he is still PLAYING.
Ulanopo (NA)
: >1: Riot reporting system is automated. With human oversight, yes. >2: When a player recognizes this and uses the holes in the system to get away with toxic and normally bannable behavior, he is gaming the system. There really isn't any evidence that players do this. Most of the time, people see a string of games that look like feeding when taken out of context. >3: When reported person is still playing after a month of repeated abuse, the reporting system cannot catch him unless Riot sees this and decides the behavior is okay (highly doubtful), ergo, the report system CANNOT catch him. There are always going to be a few cases the system doesn't catch, especially since FeederBuster is the youngest of the behavioral systems. It took the IFS a while to get up to speed too. It's important to report these cases properly. That way the information gets to the people who can adjust the systerm >4: When the reporting system cannot spot a player who is gaming it, and someone calls his behavior to light on the boards, the mods remove his name for "naming and shaming" Absolutely. Name-and-shame doesn't accomplish anything on its own other than causing drama. When "reports" like this get removed, we escalate them to Riot. It's much slower and less reliable than a proper [support ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us), but we do what we can. >5: This leaves no medium for which to call the players actions to light, and thus protects system gaming. The rules aren't going to change. You really should try putting in a ticket.
You mentioned feeding. No one said anything about feeding. I put in a ticket. nothing was accomplished. I still matched with/against him 4 times after the first report, 3 times after the second, 2 times after the third, and once again after the fourth. How can I have faith that this won't continue? To put it simply, the evidence points to it continuing. Not to mention anyone else having to match with him in between. The next time I see him, I will have to cater to him so I don't lose a game (dodge) which will lead to a penalty on me. Or I will have to hope he gets his way, or enable his bullying by trying to get him what he wants. In either case, he wins. Reporting fails here. And the evidence IS clear. Look at his player history. While op.gg is not good for MMR, it DOES record factual data, like level and game length and item list. No items and level 1 or 2 at 30 minutes clearly indicates trolling. If it were once or twice over a week or so, I would be inclined to agree that there is no trend. But his player history CLEARLY shows a trend.
: > [{quoted}](name=FreeVolibear,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6mlded4y,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-05-03T00:22:49.212+0000) > > My post has nothing to do with my wanting to climb or even whether or not I deserve to climb. It has everything to do with his behavior ruining the game experience, and exposing the loopholes in the existing system. Your troll post is meaningless. First of all, I wanted to say how much I like your summoner icon. It's pretty. Second of all, I can understand your knee-jerk assumptions about my summoner name, so allow me to dispel any questions or concerns by informing you that it refers to my in game main Trundle, which is a troll. Now in regards to your point about not giving a toot about climbing, well the entire point, and this could be corroborated with internal Riot memos, if I had access to those, is to get you 'hooked' on the ranked ladders system. Some internal Riot studies may have even proven that addiction to ranked ladder games is comparable to that of nicotine and cocaine, so whether or not you care is completely incidental to the over all goal. Anyway, the point is that the more you complain on the forums and in game, the more likely you are to be trolled even more, this is by design. Sorry, I couldn't think of a compliment to complete my compliment sandwich.
Did you read my response? Seriously it's like I wasn't even using English with how you responded. I didn't base anything on your forum name. I checked your link and dismissed it as unrelated. Your response is even more unrelated as I didn't say I didn't care about climbing. I said my desire to climb has nothing to do with the reason for my original post. Yeah it's a cool icon.
Zielmann (NA)
: They already do. In ranked, the first dodge is a 6-minute queue penalty. Any subsequent dodges result in a 30-minute queue penalty. This resets back to a 6-minute penalty after 16 hours. So effectively, if you dodge more than once in a day, you'll have to wait half an hour to queue again. You're not experiencing the same people dodging over and over. You're experiencing a handful of different people dodging one time each.
That's the problem. It's systemic.
: Sometimes it's just coincidence, but I suspect that it's also a matter of matchmaker STILL being exploited. One such scam involves the same player using multiple accounts, and has at least one placed on your team. Bots don't have to be completely automated, people seem to think that it's one or the other, and that you can't stop a bot and play some manually prior to placing it back into bot mode. Or the troll bot is either programmed to do the same screw job over and over... ...Also another possibility, especially if you have ever criticized Riot Games, or the Chinese Communist Party, then it may be that you were placed on the DNC list, basically your account will not be allowed to climb. [Six Ways You Might Have Been Placed On Riot's Controversial and Secret "DO NOT CLIMB" List.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/P3Ja5ePU-six-ways-you-might-have-been-placed-on-riots-controversial-and-secret-do-not-climb-list)
My post has nothing to do with my wanting to climb or even whether or not I deserve to climb. It has everything to do with his behavior ruining the game experience, and exposing the loopholes in the existing system. Your troll post is meaningless.
Kei143 (NA)
: If people are dodging then they aren't reporting him. Also please remove his name from the post. The boards are not the proper medium to report him, and putting him name classifies as naming and shaming, which is against the board's rules.
Reporting has not worked. I have reported him each time. His actions are so infuriating, I am certain at least one person per offense is reporting him. His game history shows the repeated behavior spanning a month. This leads me to fully believe that the system is not catching his behavior.
elduris (NA)
: Hey just a heads up, it's against the boards rules to name players specifically. It sucks that you keep getting matched with him. But, that means you have more opportunities to report him if he trolls every game. Be sure to report people like that using the report feature in the post game lobby.
Be honest. You did not read the post. His player history shows a month long of abuse. I have reported him every time. I am certain his behavior is reported (who wouldn't?) The system has not caught him. He is still playing. Still abusing it. Please read the post before answering (if you choose to answer) as to avoid making suggestions that indicate your lack of actually having read the content to which you are responding.
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