: A thing I've noticed about {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} (read: Melee AP Assassins) is that it's all about surviving the early game until you reach certain powerspikes in the form of level / item thresholds. (Kat lv 2/3/6 powerspike, Akali lv 6 with Revolver, etc.) You will be outranged and outmatched in basically every lane, and it's key to take advantage of any small windows of opportunity your opponent gives you by mispositioning or using important abilities. For an example, if I'm playing {{champion:84}} vs {{champion:34}}, the lane is all about her Q cooldown. If she hits the stun, you lose the trade, if she misses the stun, you have an opportunity to harass. Basically if you are even with your opponent on a melee assassin, you rely on them making mistakes for you to capitalize on, and if they don't it's down to you having experience enough on the champion to FORCE them to make mistakes. Hopefully this makes some sense / was helpful...
It is helpful and does make sense. I think I'm going to continue playing her tomorrow. Thank you for the advice.
Zardo (NA)
: She's a high skill floor extremely high skillcap champion. You need to know how to play lane out well and you have to know your combos and the exact damage they'll do really well or you're going to have a bad time on her.
So I should just expect to be useless and a ball and chain for my team until I've played around 40-50 games?
Rioter Comments
Krynul (NA)
: I'm gonna have to disagree. As an older design she has no mobility. Her primary method of surviving ganks or pushes is having that stun available. She's extremely binary stun and obliterate her target or get obliterated. She could arguably use an entire rework, but she does serve the role of the button mashing newbie friendly mage.
That doesn't mean she should just have a stun ready to go for 3 minutes straight. I understand she's for newer players, but when she can just hold a stun infinitely she's to potent. before they showed us how many charges she's got she wouldn't just charge up a stun and hold onto it forever. She'd wait for a good moment then flash shield stun and that was fine with me. (it was more fun to play against) but seeing "hey she's casted 3 spells" and me seeing that makes me back off and that's unhealthy.
Darkhail (NA)
: Malzahar Constant Nerfs
Malz needs these nerfs so he can actually be played against. Idk if you've played against someone who is even half decent at him, but he's absolute bullshit to fight atm. I think it's mostly the passive and it should get the banshee's treatment honestly. 30 seconds flast. BAM perfect.
: Malzahar Passive finally gutted
: Im sure RIOT really likes your complicated and thoughtful post
Unless you leave your complaints and they get downvoted to hell because people main said champion.
: Maybe you should play some Fizz and have some understanding of the champion before saying it needs a 20CD at all ranks. His E is one of his main sources of damage and escape at the same time. They recently added 2 second cooldown to it and you can't do E zhonya E anymore so you take more risks lategame. honestly hes not that strong anymore after the nerfs but people always find a way to get annoyed by Fizz because they either just dislike him or got fucked by him recently.
I actually used to play fizz a lot. His main issue is that he's way to mobile for an assassin. I get that assassins are supposed to get in and out, but most assassins only have a way in. I feel like his E needs to be used more carefully which is why I think a 20 second CD at all ranks is actually what he needs. I get it, his damage is all in his E, however at the same time, even with the 2 second nerf, he can still e at least 4 times during a team fight which gives him about 4 seconds during a fight in which he is invulnerable, that's not including if he has a zhonya's. If you nerf the CD on his E even more he should get buffed somewhere else (Personally his Q needs a slight buff, maybe 25% more damage or something)
Rioter Comments
: sure m9
I dislike any ability that makes someone immune to damage that isn't already being applied for any amount of time. (yes this includes vlad's pool but that also chunks him for like 15% of his current HP so at least there is that. Oh and his pool has like a 25 second CD or something like that. )
: They nerfed the cooldown on it like 2 patches ago people are not happy? jeez
because it's still broken as fuck. Honestly it needs a 20 second CD at all ranks. I'm sorry you fizz mains, but you deserve this.
Nanok24 (EUNE)
: Taliyah - A small Gameplay Suggestion
I agree. I played taliyah before the rework with a very good degree of success (about 20 games in ranked with an 80% W/L after spending maybe 100 games on her in normals) and I feel like the old taliyah W felt more rewarding to hit, and her combo felt much, MUCH better to land as well. The main issue I have with her current W is that I can't see where I'm casting it anymore. Just putting the old AoE circle back would make the spell feel so much better as a whole for me as It'd allow me to visually see where I'm casting it. (Also can we add like 25 range to it please? I've tried casting it at max range a ton of times only to have Taliyah walk towards the area I wanted her to cast it, just so she could cast it.)
: Sona - the newest "no weakness" champ
I think the main issue is that she can now get 85% CDR on all of her abilities... I see that as a major issue. (Well all of them but her Ultimate, but still.... That's a ton)
Rioter Comments
: If you're a support and you don't want to buy sightstone...
So buy a sightstone because that is whats required to build those... I mean supports stop building damage that's not your damn job. Always buy a sightstone.
: He can ult at any point during a knockup, regardless of whether the visuals indicate that you're rising or falling, then there's also the issue of latency which might affect when he can ult as well. As for ulting during a stun, no, he can't do that. It sounds to me like your opponent got hit by a stun after he launched his whirlwind, then the stun ran out before his knockup did, thereby letting him hit you with his ult by mashing the R key.
^x1000. If you stun yasuo he's stunned. However if he gets out of the stun and your still in the air (The knock up on his kit is like 1.5 seconds I think?) Then he can quickly mash R and ult you.
: Is sightstone a must have early item on every support?
if you are playing any support (Seriously any support) you need a sightstone. It's just so cost effective to get the wards that you'll need to begin the vision control. When I do support my first back is Sight stone, red trinket, Pink ward. Begin removing enemy supports wards and just laugh as you call your jungler in. Seriously it's important. Vision = Winning. So ward! PLEASE!
: Reminder that taliyahs W needs changing
I agree with this person - I Really miss the old way it cast. Vector casting just feels really clunky. You could at least have the targeting circle come back right? I'd really think if they kept it as a vector cast but gave you the targeting circle back then It'd be better. (Although I still 100% prefer the old W)
Neidox (NA)
: I hate Irelia, You lose, even when you're winning.
So first of all she can actually kite her pretty well if she can't reset her Q she loses some of her damage. Another tip DO NOT TRY TO TRADE WITH HER. All she'll do is intentionally lose the trade so she can suddenly shoot towards you and stun you for a quick 100 - 0. What you need to do to fight her is really just try not to. She is very reliant on her stun so use her sustain against her. If you go in for a kill on her make sure she doesn't have her ult as well. With the new nerfs to her ult level 6 ganks are now able to slaughter her if it's on CD.
Hòpe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1pt3pKPR,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-10T21:43:02.804+0000) > > I'm saying you shouldn't let him get close enough to auto you. ive been dived by a volibear at level 5 multiple times. Ive 2v1 voli me and riven vs voli top at level 3 and he killed one of us because his passive proccd you know righteous glory + speed ups are a thing oh flash is in the game too btw oh he gains movementspeedwhen running dude dont say that. lmao. Voli is on my ranked bann lately
Well you were playing riven... So naturally he's going to be a hard match up for you. If you dislike fighting volibear that much then I'd recommend that you pick up ignite and only use it during his passive / force his passive to proc before you get ganks. He's a melee only champion who's extremely easy to kite. Plus if you really want to dumpster on him Vayne top lane. That % max health True damage is a bitch.
Hòpe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1pt3pKPR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-10T21:39:03.628+0000) > > You let him get 3 auto's in? Sorry you deserve to be frenzied. LOL? yeah because 3 autos are hard to get
I'm saying you shouldn't let him get close enough to auto you.
: Yeah, volibear needs to be looked at
You let him get 3 auto's in? Sorry you deserve to be frenzied.
: Yorick and Morde are casters. I play them as support, never as top lane.
Yorick is a top lane champion not a support. Morde can be a support However he can be taken top sometimes as well.
: Yi's ult removes all slows, not just movement speed slows, so it's resistance reduction and reduced outgoing damage. Still very helpful against Yi, but not as helpful. It also doesn't reduce the true damage on his E, as true damage isn't adjusted by anything.
True damage can be reduced by anything that Reduces % damage. All true damage does is ignore armor and MR. it'll still be reduced by Exhaust.
Vanjie (NA)
: @Balance & Design Team Taliyah Observation
Dear god... Where to begin.... (Note - I'm a taliyah main) Passive - Totally agree it feels underwhelming. Q - This is why {{item:3116}} is so mandatory on Taliyah. You land the 1st one, all of the rest are going to hit them unless they flash. Also you can use this at level 1 to clear the enemy caster back line. W - This ability, IS AMAZING if you can use it correctly. You need to lay down Taliyahs E and then predict where the enemy is going, then W and immediately reclick and make sure your mouse is directed towards the minefield. or use it to piss off a melee jungler with no dashes. No seriously it's fucking hilarious to see the rage. E - Mines. Mines mines EVERYWHERE :D This is one of my favorite abilties on her kit (I prefer her Q most of all though.) In mid if the enemy has dashes (Most notably {{champion:157}} ) you'll want to put 3 points into this before you start maxing your Q. It does a deceptive amount of damage and is honestly where most of her power actually resides. Learning to combo this with her W is absolute MUST. You have to know how to quickly and reliably do this combo at all times. A tip - your W will spell lock you until it's animation is finished, so you need to cast E, THEN W. R - Pretty great wall with an amazing amount of uses. Chase down an enemy who's almost dead? ult. want to gank a lane from the river? ult. Want to steal that enemies blue buff? Ult. want to lock enemies into their spawn pool so you can win the game? Ult. It's a great ult and is seriously fun to use. Taliyah is in a really good spot, until next patch where she's going to go super busted levels of broken, then get tons of nerfs because of the W changes.
: Not so much when he has his ult going.
: If I'm playing Darius and you pick Teemo and get destroyed by me, you should feel obliged to honor me! As a Teemo main, you shouldn't even get touched by a Darius. And Teemo belongs bottom lane, not top! He's a support champ.
You just called Teemo... Teemo of all champions... A support? Now I know your insane. Sorry mate but teemo is actually one of the most VERSATILE Champions in the game. He's mostly taken top lane due to how annoying he is with his poisons and a blinding darts. However Teemo can also Jungle, Mid, ADC, and support. Teemo has no actual identity when it comes to where he's supposed to be located early. He's an old champion that was designed with that in mind. Also as far as supports go I'm pretty sure teemo doesn't bring enough utility to be a support normally. No a blind isn't utility since it's an ability with an 80% ap scaling. Honestly the only "utility" he actually brings are in his ult. And even then he can only use 3 of them without going OOM early.
: Countering Yi as a Support, or literally anything at all.
So first and foremost pick up these champions. {{champion:89}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:37}} these champions have a reliable stun / snare. 2nd always as a support main pick up a Sightstone first back as well as a pink ward. Pink ward either your tribush (if you are blue side) or pink ward the dragon pit (if your red side) and then place stealth wards in other prime locations. (Tribush, Way from blue, and your standard river bush) Late game your going to want to NUKE yi in team fights. If you land a single snare / stun on him he's done. Game over. Other than that your going to have to play safe when you spot a yi on the map.
D3m37r1 (NA)
: Why does Grasp of the undying scale with Max HP?
I'm just going to say this - Unfortunately we are in a meta where everyone builds a shit ton of HP because ... well .... Fuck assassins. Also the meta isn't really tank favored.
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pg8aqm9q,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-07-10T19:59:52.699+0000) > > You seem to be missing the point i was stating. ADC Varus is a different more expensive build. So he relies on getting last hits a hell of a lot more than Mid lane varus. UGH My point is skewed I'm sure but I suck with varus I've only had 2 matches with him, I'm so sorry x-x you could have told me you play ap varus.
AD Caster, but was thinking about trying AP Varus. Basically varus has his 3 builds - ADC which focus's on Crit and Attack speed. AD Caster which focuses on Raw AD and armor pen, or AP. Which... well ... Yeah it's ap. I've been trying to learn AD Caster but I'm thinking about maybe trying AP Varus.
Hòpe (NA)
: To be honest. I actually agree with all the champs you said except runic glaives and karma/janna
I actually agree with karma... If she's mid lane. I'm kind of tired not being able to kill her at all ever during laning phase. I just think they need to remove some damage from her UltQ and give it slightly more scaling (that way she needs to build more mage than Utility) Other than that trundle isn't actually Overpowered IMO. He's just a good pick. Oh and fuck fizz he's cancer as hell. His E should either not make him untargetable, or do no damage. Take your pick Riot. Please. Or rework the fish. Please do. Please take away his Troll Pole. I want to see him have to use his Q to get into a fight.
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhJlWG1X,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-10T19:51:48.773+0000) > > I'm not saying ranked matches should go easy. I'm saying currently there is nothing we can do about it. DQue sucks we all know it does. However it seems like riot gives 0 shits about it. So until they fix the issue, what can we do? Nothing much. So lets not complain, lets just try to deal with the current state of the game as best as we can. this is something we can do about though. Theres no incentive not to boost and no incentive to make a full team either. Honestly what they should do is use what they used to do on teambuilder where you go through and build a team and find people who are looking for full teams to join. We need a recruitment process, followed by a chance to practice after recruiting followed by ranked play that shows no mercy whatsoever.
I agree to a point. However I'm also going to point out, if people are freelo boosting it's quiet possible its actually the HIGHER ranked player getting freelo off the lower ranked player. Not the other way around.
Serevas (NA)
: Grapefruit has something in it that prevents your liver from eliminating pharmaceuticals, so you'd OD from the medicine you're taking. That might be what you were thinking of.
Quiet possibly. I was just making a pun on how GP eats so many oranges in a 30 - 45 minute time period. Glad People are actually interested enough to respond to it though :D (No seriously this is making my day a little better)
: "I'm just saying ADC relies a lot more on last hitting than Mid does." so you think that your farm gives you more gold on midlane varus than botlane varus? i'm going to tell you a secret: midlane has the same minions as botlane
You seem to be missing the point i was stating. ADC Varus is a different more expensive build. So he relies on getting last hits a hell of a lot more than Mid lane varus. UGH My point is skewed I'm sure but I suck with varus I've only had 2 matches with him, I'm so sorry x-x
Onwodori (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eOtyfE7Z,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-07-10T19:53:24.857+0000) > > oh, i thought there was something else in the fruit you could overdose on... But if there isn't nevermind! Pirate all day! Ah I'm sure there are some fruits that can kill you but you'll likely die of stomach stress from over eating than you would before overdosing on a certain substance in a single sitting!
Soooooo GP consumes how many oranges per game? What somewhere of an upper 200? (Idk how often people actually use this I can't pirate for the life of me)
Vhan8765 (NA)
: The only things that tilts me pretty fast is rude people who are doing bad but harass everyone else on every tiny thing they do. That and probably Gal's ult a good portion of the time. You always know it's gonna happen but you never expect it.
Man when did galio start getting played again? I might have to buy him on my main account cause I love him. Whats a mid lane mage? Idk. Dead probably? AHAHAHAHHA ult. {{champion:3}}
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pg8aqm9q,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-07-10T19:48:33.985+0000) > > I mean How else am I supposed to get pratice? I'm a mid lane main who wants to play this guy mid. Don't tell me to go adc because god know's I can't do that role (I'm bad at CS'ing with adc's for some reason... but hey I can score 100 cs at 12 minutes with Taliyah for some god forsaken reason) your lasthitting automatically becomes shit as you walk to another lane as varus? must be some kind of sorcery.
No no no, I'm still shit at last hitting with varus, I'm just saying ADC relies a lot more on last hitting than Mid does. Also ... yes all ad champs I can't last hit with for some god awful reason. Hell I play trundle so I can bite minions to death. Also taliyah because her auto's just feel strong early.
Onwodori (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eOtyfE7Z,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-07-10T19:44:46.206+0000) > > Gangplank. he's a monster. Maybe he shouldn't eat so many oranges though. I don't know i just feel like if he eats to many of them there's some kind of poisoning he should get.... Nah, you can't overdose on Vitamin C - it's water soluble.
oh, i thought there was something else in the fruit you could overdose on... But if there isn't nevermind! Pirate all day!
: > [{quoted}](name=FrostedReapers,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dhJlWG1X,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-10T19:39:58.868+0000) > > Mk buddy - I'm actually your friend and I have to say this to you - Pleaaassseeee stop. absolutely not. but I am interested in why you say this. Why should ranked matches go easy on people who queue up with less good players IN RANKED?
I'm not saying ranked matches should go easy. I'm saying currently there is nothing we can do about it. DQue sucks we all know it does. However it seems like riot gives 0 shits about it. So until they fix the issue, what can we do? Nothing much. So lets not complain, lets just try to deal with the current state of the game as best as we can.
: "WHY IS EVERYONE SO AGAINST THIS?" might be because it's garbage because you can't play the most immobile adc against assassins or ap casters? basically every midlaner will feed off of you. and especially off of somebody who can't play the champ yet.
I mean How else am I supposed to get pratice? I'm a mid lane main who wants to play this guy mid. Don't tell me to go adc because god know's I can't do that role (I'm bad at CS'ing with adc's for some reason... but hey I can score 100 cs at 12 minutes with Taliyah for some god forsaken reason)
: What is Maximum Lifesteal ?
I believe there is no cap to lifesteal.... However I think the absolute max you can get is about 130%....
: What instantly tilts you?
I'd like to suggest that Ranged Top laners are for when yasuo goes mid... but then I'd have to admit yasuo was good .... and he's not .... SOOOOOOOOOOO' However the absolute most tilting thing to me - People banning the champion you want to learn to play or picking him before you can just because they could. (I had a jungler pick varus today because he didn't want me praticing the champion... I dodged that que to say the least. )
Onwodori (NA)
: Alright, I concede - Gangplank is still strong. Happy?
Gangplank. he's a monster. Maybe he shouldn't eat so many oranges though. I don't know i just feel like if he eats to many of them there's some kind of poisoning he should get....
: I mean, being able to meditate whenever is like throwing ignite out the window and might as well grabbing barrier.
... You know you can stun him out of meditate? Also meditate reduces all damage he takes while He's in it. It doesn't give him Armor and MR like it did pre-rework.
: Really dont know if ppl are serious
Easy - He thinks he's good and could easily comprehend a champion's kit all in 2 seconds. When in reality it took me 50 games to learn Taliyah and it's probably going to take me 100 + games to learn Varus. (God damn what the hell is wrong with him in mid everyone?!?! WHY IS EVERYONE SO AGAINST THIS?!?!)
: Take the training wheels off ranked team matches
Mk buddy - I'm actually your friend and I have to say this to you - Pleaaassseeee stop.
: Alright, this needs to be said
Honestly I always say no to someone unless My secondary role was the one they want to switch with (Like if I get top, and the mid laner wants to switch to top lane.) If it's not that scenario - fuck them, fuck them and all they stand for. I'm not going to support because you were stupid and que'd up as "top/fill"
Rioter Comments
: Who do I need to play and what do I need to do to beat Vayne.
I suggest that if you want to main adc and your afraid / hate vayne you pick up {{champion:51}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:21}} or {{champion:15}}. All of these champions do well at pushing and are good at early trades. Vaynes biggest weakness is her level 1 - 5. She needs to be focused on farming during that time, but if you just zone her out by using an Auto on her / hitting her with abilities then she is going to have a bad time. Also try to get your support to pick an aggressive support like {{champion:89}} {{champion:267}} or {{champion:37}} as if they keep up the harass like they should then she's going to have an issue.
: I think I'd want to do the opposite: leave her CD the same between worked and non-worked ground, but reduce the remaining duration of the worked ground she's standing on if she uses the worked ground Q. Again, that's a buff and we don't really have room for buffs atm.
Hey Zenon - i was just wondering if you had thought about using the worked ground in other ways? Currently I feel like it's usually a hindrance to Taliyah (She is my main champion now and if you'd like to look I think i have a 78% W/L with her in ranked.) While I understand that the 1 rock is used for mostly farming and to conserve mana it still feels kind of weak. Plus it feels like there should be more to that zone than a Speed boost and less damage for less mana. Like casting her W inside of the zone would make it finish casting faster, or maybe Using her E from the zone makes the mines bigger? Just was wondering what kind of things you were working with for Worked ground.
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