Tanerian (NA)
: You don't get that message for leaving a game once.
> [{quoted}](name=Tanerian,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=kE2GME2Z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-03T14:50:36.257+0000) > > You don't get that message for leaving a game once. This... sorry bro but none of us believe you that you've only dodged/dc'ed ONCE. And if your system is having issues like that I have a feeling it's had those issues in the past as well. No one is going to believe that you got this on your 'first' offense of crashing/not loading into a game. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} If you have hardware issues, get them fixed; If you have connection issues and are using wifi, stop using wifi; if you have connection issues because your playing in a household with a bad connection speed and 1000 devices connected, then you might just have to understand you will be punished when you DC. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Not everyone has control over their connection or system issues; but when you have them you do effect 4 other players experience. Intentional or not it still effects them so be considerate of other players when you know you're having these issues. We will all appreciate it. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: They could, but then they'd literally lose access to hundred of thousands of users who stick to those marketplaces since they're the stock markets for Android and iPhone. Why would they sever themselves from the two largest marketplaces like that? That's suicide for an app.
Anyone who knows what the games are would be downloading it from their website instead. I don't use the Android store to install apps because half the apps I use they won't let me install because of region locks so that logic isn't very sound. At least half of all people install things via app packs at this point because of the region locks the stores place on things. The loss they would have in downloads would be completely countered by the additional monies they would make not having to give them 20-30% of their revenue on every purchase.
: Nice point, but I also must add that you have a different amount of v-bucks on both console, computer, and mobile. It just depends on which platform you get them on.
Actually that's not entirely true, you can buy V-Bucks on Xbox or Switch and use them on PC, but not vice-versa. The restriction is only on the other end because those marketplaces/companies want their cut of the sales, after the fact they don't care what it actually done with them, and Riot needs to get that into the agreements.
: Because Riot literally says in the article that sharing currencies across different games is forbidden by Apple's and Android's marketplace rules.
They could just not use those marketplaces and it would solve everything. Don't have to use them anymore.
: I suspect that another, more surreptitious reason for this change is that Riot's mobile game purchases will be more expensive to compensate for Apple's and Google's 30% cuts. The hilarious part is that iOS only has a 15% market share compared to Android's 85%, and it's easy to manually download and run an Android app without getting it from the store, so Riot could just be Android-exclusive and market their games directly from their website, with no third-party fees, approval processes, or other restrictions to worry about. Riot is a huge company and doesn't need to piggyback on someone else's marketplace to get users.
This ^^^ I don't understand why they would need to go through the Play Store to get the game onto mobile. It's not like we can't install apps on our phone without either store. As a matter of fact there was just a lawsuit about that and the law specifically states now that you CAN'T force people to use your marketplace on your own OS because that makes you a monopoly which in business is a big no no. Honestly Riot just ditch the stores and let us download the game on its own.
Bitticus (NA)
: 8 million people beg to differ ;)
Where is that number coming from because I don't think TFT has had 8 million players in a day ever.
: The thing is there is already tons of RP gift cards (in store) that would still exist and you can’t change that "P" to "E". And would just create confusion to new players etc
There is such a thing as a recall. Stores do it all the time to replace bad gift cards. I worked for a company that stocked those cards and we pulled cards all the time for marketing change reasons, a picture on the card was no longer under license, their codes or strips had become compromised, etc. etc... It's not unreasonable to assume they could across the entire market replace the old Riot Points cards with ones that said "RP Card". All in all it doesn't actually change anything and the whole thing is just a bunch of legal BS to cover themselves from lawsuits for them not being usable across games which is stupid to begin with.{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
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I don't know what is more ridiculous about the Tristana one... the fact that this would never happen in my ELO or... the fact that this comp would actually be really effing annoying to play against...
: Its ARAM. if people want to make an account specifically for that and buy one champion, so be it. they have that option and so do you. but it takes the fun out of it so just beat them and chuckle to yourself and play some more games. its not the end of the entirety of ARAM if one group of people wish to play it that way.
See you're so wrong here it's painful. I shouldn't have to make another account to be able to get enjoyment in a game mode because some tryhard ****face decides he wants to make an ARAM only account with Kat, Master Yi, Nidalee, Zigs, (insert top 10 ARAM Champion names here). The game mode should be ALL RANDOM, meaning ALL CHAMPIONS not just ALL CHAMPIONS* (*but only the ones you own or we put into random rotation). The old school ARAM players were people who all owned every champion and wanted something more to play in the game. It was also played in blind draft (which you could do in custom games once upon a time, don't know if you still can), so champions like Yi and Teemo could be banned. If they are going to allow re-rolls and allow people to not roll every champion with an even chance then it might as well not be called ARAM.
Dryan3 (NA)
: I think that a gamemode where you are in a team of 2 would be a lot of fun and it could have a slightly bigger board and maybe some different mechanics but would be very fun as it would allow you to play TFT and strategize with a friend both putting troops on the same board and having to come up with strategy together.
(Spoiler: This is a rip on TFT) I think that a game-mode where you fight around a circular map and control points would be fun. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: (Not All) so many people complaining about what they dont like, beacuse they dont want to change stratagy or use the brain. if somone builds pyke and shojins or any other broken champ/build. FIX YOUR BUILD its a tactical game with RNG dont cry cause you got an item less make it work for you. games not going to be fun to play anymore if all they do is listen to people who fail to even try casue they think they deserve a win lol. (omg ahri missed her ability) yer happens to everybody as abilities are used on gain. just go back sums rift and you all get 500 Gold and a fair game with no RNG.
Listen here, that is like telling a MTG player to make a hand where they draw 0 lands work for them. There are times when RNG doesn't give you the ability to work with it.
Xerzyza (NA)
: "To be up front about this, we think RNG is good for Teamfight Tactics in the long term." Can't wait for Ranked! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
They refused a ranked mode for Dominion because of the "imbalance and randomness" of comps, I can only imagine how it will do with this. RNG + ranked /=/ fun. You should never have RNG in a ranked anything unless it is a controlled RNG such as having a premade deck of champions you like to play with. I won't be touching this when it drops. It just sounds like it's going to be an absolute #&^@storm.
: Ok but why do they still have twisted because that mode is hella dead
Because they refuse to admit they should have trashed Twisted Treeline and kept Dominion and if they ever get rid of Twisted Treeline they will be proving every single Dominion player right when they said 3's is pointless just keep Dominion and trash 3's.
: It really is a shame they didn't keep NB. It was such a fun chill gamemode, kinda like ARAM.
Nexus Blitz is going to fall to the wayside like Dominion did. Neither will come back properly... watch Nexus Blitz become a RGM... you know... those RGM's we were supposed to have monthly to keep things fresh... that we don't get anymore...
: This is like people complaining that scientists are spending millions sending robots to Mars instead of curing cancer. Different teams for different things.
This is like thinking that those things aren't both funded somehow. Thing A's funding could be used for thing B and make thing B happen faster. Your argument has holes...
Minarde (NA)
: >there's only a small team of around 30 people working on this. So no, resources are not being put towards this, at least not an acknowledgeable amount of resources. That honestly sounds like a larger team than Treeline, ARAM, and Dominion, combined, have had since their releases.
Dominion's team was 18 I think... I'd rather have Dominion back than this piece of trash game mode I will never touch...
: HARD AGREE! If this project is being developed naturally, just like how League started, I think it has a lot of potential.
Dominion had a lot of potential but they refused to market it or give it the ability to earn mastery until it was already almost dead... And I don't want to hear their bull**** lines that they couldn't balance it correctly because they couldn't afford to. They were literally the biggest game in the world at the time; they could have done anything. Also they were doing that for 3's which I'm sorry is a lot less fun to play than Dominion was.
Larriet (NA)
: DotA came out in 2003 though? Not to be snarky but maybe take your own advice ahaha
To be fair. DotA was a Warcraft III custom map. It didn't use its own engine or anything along those lines so really you can't do anything when someone makes an actual game with its own engine of the same type. Does that suck, is it unfair? Yes, maybe, but such is life.
: They can't get sued for this. That's like saying every company that's made an FPS can get sued by the first company that ever made one. You can't trademark an idea.
Yes and no; yes you can not trademark an idea, you can however patent it however the US Patent Office does not allow you to patent something that is a derivative from something that is public domain unless you've significantly improved it. So Autochess or this or anything else like it, are all based off of chess. It's not a significant enough of a change to the idea so no patent.
: Y’all act like LoL is overloaded with micro-transactions. They’re all 100% optional with no impact on gameplay. There are tons of pay to win games out there that you can’t compete on equal grounds with those who pay. That isn’t true for League, where you can become one of the best without spending a single penny. Faker is famous for not using skins. If you want skins, spend money. That’s all there is to it. Stop complaining for a second. There are definitely things Riot could do better with the game, but their micro-transaction policy is completely fine.
__Looks at ARAM only accounts who pay for only the Champs they wanna play...__ No impact on gameplay you say?
: Any Chance of Bringing Back the Original Dominion?
The biggest issue was, in fact, as stated, that Riot didn't give Dominion its due. The population of players when the mode was newer was even with what ARAM has now. The only reason that the game mode ended up dying off is because of the following reasons: 1) Riot continues to refuse to delete bot accounts when they are reported. It should be one of their top priorities that these accounts get deleted since it's not only a security risk for players account info in game, but also for peoples bank accounts that are buying these accounts for money over the internet. If an account is clearly a bot, and multiple people from the same game report that the account is a bot, it shouldn't be too hard for Riot to set up a system where the player has to verify the account as being a real player when we log in. Then if someone gets reported as a bot a popup lets them know "Hey someone reported you as a bot, to verify you're not we're going to log you off and require you pass a captcha verification to log back in." This would require so much extra work for botting that it wouldn't be worth it anymore, the bots would get constantly kicked off the game and it would drive down the number of bots significantly. 2) The game mode was never properly promoted and wasn't inclusive in additions to the game. When we were given things to earn, like honor and whatever, Dominion was skipped over for this. Never got a snow theme, never was included in promotions or anything, heck I don't even think they added any eastereggs for the holidays or anything. You couldn't earn mastery, you couldn't earn keys, you couldn't earn anything but the standard EXP and IP. The lack of support in this way caused it to be ignored by players because "I can't earn mastery tokens for getting an S on this map, so why should I play it?" 3) Lack of a balance due to reusing assets. Dominion was a different game mode, sure some basic items should have totally stayed in there, but Dominion would have been a lot easier to balance if they had just given it its own item set. They sort of did this, but none of those items ended up being balanced because they were thrown in as a Band-Aid as the games balance got completely screwed up; and once the balance issues started hitting really hard, the population of players dipped down, which started this dark hole of Riot going "well not enough people play..." and the players going, "well if you actually freaking supported the game more people would play..." to which Riot would respond, "but there aren't enough players for us to focus on it..." and rinse wash and repeat... Rather than fixing their mistakes Riot simply gave up on a part of their community, bold face lied to us about why (read below); and we got next to nothing as a consolation prize for them removing a game mode that had one of the best dynamic soundtracks for a MOBA map, was a fun break from the daunting tiredness of SR and its clones, and could have been one of the games best games modes with proper support or promotion. They treated the community that played it still as if they were second rate customers and pushed us aside like we didn't matter to them because SR is where their money is at. Well if you had done your jobs and properly ran this game mode the way it should have been, with its own dev team and its own balance squad and promoted it even a tiny bit things could have been much better for it. There are a reason why there are so many "What's up with Def. Not. Dominion" threads on this forum over the last month. People are getting tired of the same old same old. They have figured out that the RGM is simply being used as a promotional tool for skin lines and they are tired of their wants for something more being ignored. They can look back to this game mode and say, "oh yeah, you know what in its hay-day Dominion was fun to play... wonder why they don't bring that back?" then post on the forums about it time and time again to only continue to be ignored by Riot or any of its staff. League of Legends wasn't so boring back in the day. There were a bunch of different game modes, people played all sorts of custom games, you could jump from one mode to another if something got you on tilt, there were always people willing to jump in with you for a quick game... Now, we don't even have public chat rooms; my friends list is slowly going dead with people who aren't playing anymore because the game is stagnant, and one of the few things that Riot could do to bring life back into the game is being completely ignored. (from above: Yeah, I remember that Riot. Your dev team lied to us straight up. You told us you were removing Dominion as a selectable map because you were removing the maps resources from the server because it 'took up too much space' which was clearly BULL because now we have Ascension and D.N.Dominion which both use them! Next time, don't lie to us and just say 'We don't want to support this anymore because it's too hard and we EFFED-up) {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: > [{quoted}](name=ForFoxSakes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dX5xT82d,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-09-22T01:55:01.267+0000) > > If you dont put it on you dont get credit for the missions. Entire point of the thread His point was that he didnt want to put it on for the missions because it reduces his self expression. I told him that if it meant that much to him he should just not put on the icon and not receive the rewards. I probably could of worded that better.
Yeah that is not acceptable. One shouldn't have to change their behavior just to be a part of the event. Bad bad bad on Riot's behalf. They're pissing off a lot of people with this and making them NOT want to do the missions, which is counterintuitive to them putting the mission system in in the first place. They are literally driving people AWAY from using an aspect of the client they spent time and money to develop. That seems like a lose/lose to me and not very good marketing or deployment of this new feature. Which would you rather have? People participating in something just by playing the game and getting stuff and being happy, OR People not participating because they don't want to remove an icon they probably paid good money for, and they system being a flop because of poor design and execution. My pick would be participation across the board. Rather than pissing people off.
: they use the icon to track how many people are engaging in missions. If you were able to get missions without using the icon people could get missions by accident, and Riot would not be able to measure how many people are actively engaging in missions (therefore realize if missions are being successful or not)
Please stop reposting the same thing dude. It's spamming. No one cares about them tracking the missions. We don't want our personal expression taken away just because they are trying to track a metric that doesn't make a difference in the long run. Clearly people are doing the mission stuff. They want the icons that unlock from them so they can from time to time show them off. There is no reason to require us to have on a specific icon to track what you are talking about. They can see if or not the mission are working to change gameplay when bronze 1 and lower players start suddenly focusing on dragon when they never did before, or when they team push to get first tower just for the mission. Believe it or not, an ICON doesn't help them see that any better, so this is complete BS and just a line fed to quell the "I don't want my personal expression taken away." It is NOT needed for them to track these metrics.
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: I've been calling this for some time now. Riot Games and by extension League of Legends and its Boards do not have clear, transparent rules, like any blasted game, company and even shitposting-focused fan forums do. It is instead decided on whims and idiocy of individuals that get to judge a particular case, not based on strict rules. An example: Some time ago I had my comment in Memes and Games removed 10 seconds after posting. Why? Because it had an image with a word "_fap_" in it and it's supposedly "_sexually explicit_". So I contacted the "_Player_" Support asking why a non-derogatory word "_fap_" gets removed immediately and why word "_fuck_" in basically any form is permitted. What I got was a guy contradicting himself every other fucking sentence and when I asked him to make up his mind, he closed the ticket. I wrote a follow-up, because this kind of behaviour is simply unacceptable and got the same idiot who, guess what, closed the ticket on sight claiming it to be "_solved_". What is even more absurd was the fact that some time ago a thread on M&G was posted and it ended with "_I fuck cats_". If that's not sexually explicit (even in a joke), then I have no clue what is. But wait there's more. I tested moderators by reporting the thread and, unsurprisingly, it was not even touched.
The biggest issue is really that if they want the community to be able to monitor and control itself they need to bring back the community ran Tribunal System. Let us punish our own again, let us decide by vote the punishment that should be handed out. An automated system will never be able to do what the human hand can. We can better judge our own than any computer system with billions upon billions of game reports and feedback could ever possibly hope to do. Give the Wrench Men power on the forums, let them moderate posts, let them be the members of the community that take it upon themselves to make sure things are up to snuff. It's not easy to become a Wrench Man, it's also very easy to lose said status by screwing up. Make it the same for the tribunal. You want a vote in it, then don't get reported for things. But all in all, my biggest suggestion for the help to prevent issues in the community: disable all chat... That in and of itself will reduce a large amount of toxic behavior in the community. It'll be the first step in helping move the community to a much happier and healthier place.
: Go crazy, run a mile instead of just a lap, eat the whole pizza instead of just a slice, burn your exes house down! I believe in you! Also, for all random outside of ARAM please add the entire champion pool or not include the free weekly rotation.
Yeah I honestly agree with this, the A in ARAM is ALL, people should be able to randomly get ANY champion regardless of if they own the champion or not. This will solve the problem of people making ARAM only smerfs and only purchasing the powerhouse champions like Zigs/Nid/Yi etc.
: Petition for Riot to begin selling Dino Gnar Onesies
You know, I don't even have a kid, but I have three nieces... I would love to get this for them. Manthion Approves! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Sukishoo (NA)
: But its not. There's MILLLLLLLIONS of players and millions of games that go on. 2 game out of 8 in a range of MILLIONS of games that are played daily overall? That's nothing.
I know of 9 people that have experienced it at least once if not twice in the last 24 hours. That does not represent the numbers that are being claimed. The visibility of it on the internet is causing more people to get their hands on it just to try it out. He needs to be disabled until this can be fixed. From the research my group has done, it's known now that it is an exploit of a bug in the coding of his Q, therefore it is a bug, and not just a scripting thing, the script is merely allowing the bug in the coding of his ability to use the said bug accurately. Though the script does from time to time miss the proper mark, it accurately causes the graphical bug to go off when positioned correctly.
Declined (EUNE)
: This is..... confusing. What if someone is super annoying about it? What if their report calling makes someone tilt because they're having a bad game? At what point does report calling cross from minor to serious? Does this affect all servers? Why is Draggles on NA, we want him back :(
: Except that's still [subjective](https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=subjective&*). You believe that asking for reports is harassment, and I believe that it is not. Therefore, it is sujective, because both of us having different values and experiences that make up our opinion on the matter. Except there is still not anything inherently toxic about asking for a report. It's just a Vent for frustration, a call for sympathy. Does it matter in the long term? No, you only need one report, but you can't deny how people feel when they get an *actual* Int Feeder. It is **VERY** easy to discern a bad game from feeding, or an intentional troll, because if you give a player whose having a bad time some advice, he'll listen or at least try to adapt. Your advice is the metaphorical lifesaver, something to hold on to until help comes. If someone tries to report someone whose having a bad time, without even trying to help the dude having a bad time, than yes, him asking for reports is reportable, because he is using it **as** an attack on you. No, in your example, I wouldn't feel bad, nor would I put myself in a situation where I act like one. If i got to 0/3, I would ask people for advice, things to improve or expect when fighting. I would ask for Jungler help, and stick under my turret. I would tell my team that the Jungler is camping me. If, despite all that, the person still thinks I'm feeding, despite myself asking for help, and trying to improve, than I doubt that man's character, and will write him off as simply a salt filled individual. Despite my poor performance, I made it clear to my team through communication, that I was having a hard time. If they still feel like they want to report me, I cease to give a fuck. If I have a Disco Nunu who went 0/15 by 10 minutes, and the enemy X is 15/0, my experience of the game has already dropped and with this snowball meta, what else am I going to be focused on. I've stopped playing to win, and at that point I start playing for fun, and after asking for a Report on the dude, I'm going to simply make the best out of the situation and joke around with the enemy, make jokes and have a fun time. There is no focus on the player who caused it, no constant asking for reports, because that is harassment. I ask once, and then move on with the situation the best I can. There is no harassment. To put it in perspective: If I call someone an Idiot a single time in a game, but then never say any other negative thing, is that reportable? It was only a single time, with no other follow up, and I resume being a positive player, is that reportable? If it's not, than why is asking a single time for a report, considered harassment?
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, Calling someone an idiot in chat, **IS REPORTABLE**. It can be viewed by the player as harassment (regardless of if you think you were being harassing or not). Now it's up to the target of your comment (or anyone else on your team for that matter) to report that or not. That is the only subjective thing about it. If the collective team feels that you calling someone an idiot isn't reportable, then you've gotten away with a minor harassing action. If ONE OTHER PERSON views it as harassment and you get reported for it, then you should be punished for it. Maybe a warning and an /all chat ban for 24 hours? Maybe a 1 hour matchmaking ban to let you contemplate why calling them an idiot in chat could be offensive? I'm not the one to make that call. Realistically you have no reason to type the word "idiot" into chat, you may feel that way... and in some situations I may agree with you that the player was being an idiot, but that doesn't mean you need to hit enter and call them an idiot. The choice to put your thought into the chat is your own, and regardless of how minor of an offense it is, you have to take responsibility for the words (chat) that come out of your mouth. This time it's idiot, next time it's POS, the following time it's the N word. Things just escalate that way and it's better to address the issue at the idiot stage than to let it progress farther than that. I am not specifically saying you would do this, but in my years in the gaming industry, that is the progression of toxic behavior by a player. They get away with the little things and eventually escalate to higher and more offensive things. I myself have caught myself being this way in the past and backspaced the words I've typed into the chat box having read them to myself and thinking; "You know what, not worth it... let's just truck on past this..." and either kept going or just clicked the "ignore" X in the tab screen and reported them for whatever they were doing that I was about to comment on and escalate to something worse than what it started out as. I know it may seem dumb for someone to take offense to being called an idiot, but if they have spend most of their life being called that by say a bully or a family member even, you could be pressing the wrong button and just pushing your ally into a defensive position where they don't even want to help you win the game anymore. I've been in games where I've seen a teammate harassing another player and the thought "hmm you know this guy doesn't deserve a win for this game" has crossed my mind many a time. Hell I've even slightly played back some to let them get killed because of being a flaming jerk. Honestly doing that probably could be considered greifing, but to me it seemed justified at the time. Things just get worse when you add gas to an already lit flame... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Here I'll even shorten the example: **Player A is playing Ivern top lane w/ smite, and is 0-5 a few minutes into the game, but genuinely trying and just having a bad game** * Player B: "hey Player A stop feeding" * Player A: "I'm not trying to, just having a bad game. I need help" * Player B: "lol you're 0-5 playing Ivern top vs _____ champ matchup, you're definitely trolling us" * Player A: "I am most definitely not trolling, stop harassing me please" * **Few minutes go by, Player A has been not been given any help from his team, is now 1-7 after taking a tower** * Player B: "WOW really, stop dying Player A!!" * Player B: /all "guys please report Player A he's obviously int feeding and trolling us" * Enemy Team (who don't really care, but are privately glad someone is tilting): "yea we'll definitely report" / "lol you troll, get reported" * Other Teammate 1: "yea dude stop trolling us" * Other Teammate 2: "gg this is over, we have an int feeder" * Other Teammate 3: "knew i should have dodged this game" End result of **calling for reports**: _negative experience all around with possible punishments for harassment across the board_. Now tell me Riot, how is calling for reports _not a **"distraction from winning the game"** and doesn't **"chart that high"** on importance of punishment_?????
This really is how it happens in Bronze. If anyone who isn't in Bronze disagrees I'll spend a week recording every match without hitting my enter key besides for MIA calls and we'll talk after that...
: Here I'll even shorten the example: **Player A is playing Ivern top lane w/ smite, and is 0-5 a few minutes into the game, but genuinely trying and just having a bad game** * Player B: "hey Player A stop feeding" * Player A: "I'm not trying to, just having a bad game. I need help" * Player B: "lol you're 0-5 playing Ivern top vs _____ champ matchup, you're definitely trolling us" * Player A: "I am most definitely not trolling, stop harassing me please" * **Few minutes go by, Player A has been not been given any help from his team, is now 1-7 after taking a tower** * Player B: "WOW really, stop dying Player A!!" * Player B: /all "guys please report Player A he's obviously int feeding and trolling us" * Enemy Team (who don't really care, but are privately glad someone is tilting): "yea we'll definitely report" / "lol you troll, get reported" * Other Teammate 1: "yea dude stop trolling us" * Other Teammate 2: "gg this is over, we have an int feeder" * Other Teammate 3: "knew i should have dodged this game" End result of **calling for reports**: _negative experience all around with possible punishments for harassment across the board_. Now tell me Riot, how is calling for reports _not a **"distraction from winning the game"** and doesn't **"chart that high"** on importance of punishment_?????
: We don't ban people for asking for reports
@Riot NaKyle I've worked in this industry for years. I've had my time with Riot Games; I will preface this by saying that I am no longer member of their staff. I don't care if I get reprimanded for this by the staff because this needs to be said. You all need to get your collective heads out of your arses and actually come together and create a stance on this that is UNIVERSAL AND APPLIES TO ALL LEVELS AND LOCALS FOR THIS GAME. It should be pretty clear cut by the language in the TOS. All of player support should have to know a lot about the TOS, I know this because it's basically the player support bible for how to deal with situations of PLAYER A reporting PLAYER B for whatever action they were taking in game. I know support gets bombarded with player requests for bans to take place for actions and the system should be much more clear cut and transparent as to when bans are handed down or not. The biggest problem with how this has been handled is that the language in the TOS is ambiguous at best and it really shouldn't be that open ended in this case. I suggested that a system be put into place when I was there. It might sound familiar to you: A player calling out into chat for another player to get "reported" should always be classified as player harassment for two reasons: 1) **IT IS HARASSMENT regardless of the content of the message**. It is harassing to the targeted player and to the other team to have another player disrupt the flow of the game with negative chat like this in the ALL CHAT. Even if what they said was not offensive to the player, ALL CHATTING "REPORT PLAYER X" is distracting and can even change the way players are acting in the game (i.e., cause a team to target player X because they now know the harassing player will not support them). Regardless of the content of the message it still shows a clear cut lack of unity on the teams behalf and CAN AND WILL ALWAYS effect the game, regardless of the fact that the messages content is or is not defamatory. 2) **IT IS NOT NECESSARY for more than one player in the game to report another player for any reportable offense.** The Instant Feedback system was designed to automatically detect if a report was needed or not and as you yourself stated: **ONLY NEEDS ONE PLAYER TO REPORT ANOTHER PLAYER FOR IT TO KICK INTO ACTION**. The act of calling out another player to be reported is not necessary in any way shape or form for this to happen, therefore the act of doing this should be classified as negative and defamatory behavior regardless of the nature of the message be it "Report PLAYER X, they AFK'ed" or "Report PLAYER X, they're a (FILL IN RACISIT/DEROGATORY TERM HERE)." Harassment of another player should always be taken as a punishable offense, regardless of how slight it is; a lightly toxic offense allowed, leads players into being more toxic in nature in the future and should be squashed at the start, not when it gets bad enough to ban them for it. Riot should be more willing to issue chat restrictions to get their point across on this and the complete lack of action in attempting to usurp this type of behavior is appalling. It should be that they take action on these lower offenses with lower punishments to make the player understand that they are being watched and that this type of thing, **WHILE NOT BANNABLE** can result in action being taken against them. This was discussed at length in the past while such an issue had come up and we had decided that this should be the stance, but it was never approved by anyone as an official standpoint (**BUT SHOULD HAVE BEEN**). This is why Riot Husker had made the comment that he had made because that was intended to be the stance across the board and it just wasn't put into place. And I am sorry, > When we think about updates to Instant Feedback, we think about solving problems that really distract you from what matters: Winning the game. And this issue just doesn't chart that high. It's very clearly understood that this effects the low tiered levels of game at its very core. All games where this happens it effects the outcome almost 100% of the time and I don't think I could possibly sit here (being locked into bronze as I am) and watch a member of the player support team come onto the forums and try to tell me that it doesn't effect the game when it is very clearly known throughout all of the support staff (and the player base) that it does. There wouldn't have been need to comment on this (by Riot Husker) if it didn't. I have honestly off and on seen this behavior in game and warned people about doing this because it's a distraction and negatively effects team unity 100% of the time that it happens. Players can attempt to try to fix the issue and solve the problem in game **BUT EVEN THAT IS A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO: WIN THE GAME**, and you can not say that it is not harder to CS as an ADC when you have to chat to your team to get them to stop flame warring each other. It is a distraction 100% of the time, and it should be reportable 100% of the time. We had even discussed ways to warn players about these sorts of things; the in game pop up box that warns players that their actions had been reviewed and action had been taken against their account, should be good enough. Most times players that see that go "oh shite" and stop acting this way. Players also receive a box to let them know when a report has had action taken upon those whom they had reported, which is good feedback for the people who are reporting these kinds of behaviors to let them know, "Hey, we actually do care that you care about this too." I know that the new client doesn't have this feature working (from what I understood) and it needs to be a higher priority because the feedback system needs to let the community know when it's actually doing work for them. I am sorry if I come across rude or pissed off about this (honestly I actually am kind of pissed off about this) but there needs to be a single statement by Riot Games in regards to this. Not a forum post by a somewhat misleading Riot Staff member that hadn't bothered to research the topic or to look over what their own co-workers had previously stated in the past. This comment makes Riot Husker (whom I have great respect for) look like he was talking out of his ass. It shows a very clear cut lack of a unified approach to player support and only serves to make Riot Games as a whole look bad to the community. You guys need to get your act together. Honestly if I were Riot NaKyle's supervisor I would advise him to delete this post and possibly tell him never to post on the topic again unless told to by the higher ups. All you've served to do here is make yourself look like you don't know what you are talking about OR at best, make Riot Husker look like he didn't know what he was talking about. Get your act together and finally address the issue with a well thought out and clear cut answer. Make it **THE RIOT GAMES OFFICIAL STANDPOINT** and go from there. And someone, please revoke Riot Draggles's posting rights. He basically trolled on another staff members post and didn't actually bother to add anything useful or insightful to the conversation besides calling the community "Sheep". If I were their super I'd write him up for that... I like League of Legends, I like the League of Legends community (as a whole), I enjoy playing the game and it's a great way to relax after a shite day at work. TLDR: Riot needs to have an Official standpoint on this.. not a bunch of blathering idiots making comments that are the opposite of each other... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Thaurron (NA)
: I have exactly 33 points and forgot to pick for the knockout stage...can I get an icon that's half the cool one and half the normal one? :>
That's a completely different type of failure; :P {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: No lol the 2k people you are talking about have 0 points because they didn't pick for group stages, only knockouts. There are 2k people who picked c9 and rng to win. There were only 6-7 people who had 0 points from group stages. 2145 of them didn't even participate. You just want an icon so you can be cool and unique, "oh ya lol XD i got 0 points im dumb XD XD," even though winners are clear in all of the knockout brackets.
Well, looks to me like that number just dropped down to 1,003. Seems like the group is become even more exclusive as time continues.. also as I stated above, through showing my pick-ems, I NOW (updated) have 41 points. So I am not even in this group. lol
: There were actually only 6 players at the end of the groups stages who still had 0 points. The other 2000 something players with 0 points that you mention are players who did not make any picks for the group stages and have gotten every knockout round pick wrong so far.
> [{quoted}](name=King of Mongoose,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=jm7orVzw,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2016-10-15T16:08:50.477+0000) > > No lol > > the 2k people you are talking about have 0 points because they didn't pick for group stages, only knockouts. There are 2k people who picked c9 and rng to win. > > There were only 6-7 people who had 0 points from group stages. 2145 of them didn't even participate. > > You just want an icon so you can be cool and unique, "oh ya lol XD i got 0 points im dumb XD XD," even though winners are clear in all of the knockout brackets. > [{quoted}](name=Blakiepug,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=jm7orVzw,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-10-15T14:23:34.357+0000) > > There were actually only 6 players at the end of the groups stages who still had 0 points. The other 2000 something players with 0 points that you mention are players who did not make any picks for the group stages and have gotten every knockout round pick wrong so far. Ok so then perhaps this needs to **only go out to the people who have only picked all the way through the pick-ems**. Wouldn't be that hard for them to determine. Either way In response to King, I've already posted my pick-ems earlier. I don't have 0 points.
: we have the exact same knockout pickem s lol
> [{quoted}](name=Opposite mama,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=jm7orVzw,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-10-15T05:45:36.580+0000) > > we have the exact same knockout pickem s lol It's the most logical path for the knockouts to go; though maybe I am fanboying ANX a bit too much? lol {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
: 26/7 W/L is probably a pretty big factor there. MMR jumps around like crazy when you have relatively few games, and it can overshoot your 'true' mmr by a lot if you go on big win streaks. Combine that with normals mmr being separate from ranked (and the more people focus on ranked the more they tend to neglect normals, resulting in low-ish normals mmr), and throw in dash of really long queue time, and that sort of match pops out.
This, all of this. This is how matchmaking deals with people who have high win ratios (the system pretty much tags you as a smerf as well btw) and both can and will put you against premade groups to deal with your inflated MMR. Welcome to being basically "too good" for your lack of rank.
: Couldn't you just not pick anything?
The picks, if you accessed it at all, lock in their default order. So if you accessed it and it saved you have made 'choices', just those 'choices' are whatever the default location everyone was in at the start of the contest.
: You get an summoner icon for participation. Thats it. better luck next time buddy.
I'm not even in this group. I actually have 36 points: http://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/3/user/2906183/my-picks
: You actually do get one just for participating at the pick'em http://pickem.na.lolesports.com/en-US#how-to-play
I'm talking about on specifically for the people with ZERO points when all is said and done. Participation is one thing, strategic failure of this nature is a gift! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Kinjishi (NA)
: There are players with 0 points every year. No, they shouldn't get anything just for making a pick'em. It isn't a troll? Sure sounds like one. Some people just like to pick upsets and under dogs.
Yeah, but there were all sorts of upsets that HAPPENED in groups this year. So this isn't even the truth. The proof is in the fact that there's only .11% That's not dumb luck that's intentionally picking this badly. It takes great... and frighteningly terrible... skill! I actually hope that number reduces with ANX winning.
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It seems like maybe (I'm taking a shot in the dark here) your Alpha Client install isn't in with the normal NA client directory. Also make sure you do a repair on both the normal client and then the Alpha Client cause you may have a patch issue as well. If not then I would say there's probably a corrupt file somewhere in your Alpha Client install; you may want to uninstall it, re-download it, and then place it where it belongs then attempt to patch it from scratch again. (I know that seems like a long time to wait for downloads and updates, but in general something like this is because there's a bad install somewhere on your system.) Now if that doesn't fix the issue then it's probably related to your video card, (I'm going to go out on a limb here and say your probably playing in Windows 10 with a NVidia Graphics card of some sort.) If that's the case then it's most likely driver related and you either need to reinstall your NVidia drivers or you might need to repair your DLL files. (msvcr80.dll tends to be the culprit with these dump errors more often than not.) Hope that helps if it doesn't then I would suggest sending in a ticket to player support with all of the logs they request you run in the support pages. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Keyoa (NA)
: Yeah i had to dodge due to this rito plz
I got lucky enough that when it happened the person I was trading with was also an ADC, so we just switched mid and ADC and both of us wrecked it. He even got a pentakill on Jinx. lol {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Chyu (EUNE)
: Exactly! It works only if you turn it completely off.
Also the checkboxes for turning it off are not properly labeled either.
: really, cuz everyone i know quit.
Yeah there is still a very big issue with new players being forced into playing against Gold+ smerfs simply because they are playing with a friend that is level 30. League needs some sort of, "Apprentice" system where good players can take a handicap of sorts and still play with their low level friends without forcing them into Gold+ player groups. Maybe even force the people who are playing with their Apprentice to having no runes and masteries until their Apprentice gets to level 20.
Armstice (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=slippykitten,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=MQ8XsOEG,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-12T22:27:02.805+0000) > > If, after being beaten terribly by a group of strangers in competition, you are severely affected by one of them pointing out the obvious and saying "that was easy", then your emotional stability should be questioned. > > The truth is that it's just an injured pride/sore loser issue. I'm mad that i lost and you mentioned it, so I want to report you. Hey guess what, the team that lost is the loser, deal with it instead of looking for reasons to report anyone who dares claim that you aren't God's gift to league. What's worse, the people most hurt by this tend to be the ones smack talking right up until the turnaround happens. Don't let your fingers write checks your ass can't cash, I say. Moreover, lets look at why this is so annoying to most players. Usually, for the entirety of the loss there will be at least one team-mate just railing on whomever they believe is the root cause of the loss. Maybe that is what has you annoyed, and you are just projecting all that at the first enemy who says something you don't like. There is no league touchdown dance, you can't/wont always win. I'm not encouraging destructive behavior, but almost every professional sport has some form of showboating so you would figure this would be an expected behavior by now.
You realize that the NFL has enacted penalties and fines for showboating right? In the NBA players get ejected from games and fined by the league for showboating. In baseball players also get ejected, fined and sometimes also even suspended for numerous games for it. It's not act all accepted in sports, most of them are cracking down very seriously on it because it seems the more recent generations just seem to think it's ok to rub salt in the wounds of their opponents and it's not... in order for sportsmanship to prevail the community has to stand together against unsportsmanlike conduct. And I personally feel that it's not punished harshly enough... there are plenty of private game servers that just outright suspend your right to play for doing it even once or twice, tbh, I personally feel that Riot is pretty lenient...
: > [{quoted}](name=Gene Hikaze,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=MQ8XsOEG,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000000200000001,timestamp=2016-06-27T00:05:54.288+0000) > > That's not at all what I said. I was saying that it's wrong to have the 'bystander' effect be a part of this. If someone else is getting attack, you shouldn't stand for it, nor should you allow it. You said you never condoned it but your own comments clearly show that you do. It would be like watching 3 people beat on a child and not at least stepping in to tell them that it's wrong let alone stop it. > > That right there is what I am concerned about with the community. I'm not angry about it as a whole I'm more just concerned that good players will go elsewhere simply because they can't stand the toxicity of this games population. It needs to be something the community as a whole speaks out against. hahahahaha Saying "ggez" is equated to standing idly by and watching a child beat to death. Are you for real? Go get triggered somewhere else, lol.
Words are by far a much stronger weapon than fists. It's people that don't care like yourself that are the issue here. "Oh it doesn't matter..." and "Oh their just butthurt..." Yeah say that to people who have lost friends over words thrown at them; then tell me insulting people or behaving this way should be at all tolerated. And yes, it might be a bit extreme to look at it that way, but it's better to over-moderate and over-react to a negative influence than it is to allow it to continue to exist. And, just to point this out, I never said anything about beating the child to death, I meant just striking a child in any way. It's still wrong and people shouldn't just stand by and let it happen. You should never be a bystander to anything negative happening, you should try to stop the negative action regardless of it's size, shape, or form. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Gene Hikaze,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=MQ8XsOEG,comment-id=00080000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2016-06-09T18:28:53.750+0000) > > No, you're wrong. I've played in plenty of sporting events where my team has won the game and we shake the other teams hand and tell them, "Good Luck in your next game, take care." It's not instinctive to gloat unless you're already part of the problem. The fact that you've argued this point for so long makes me sick. There is no logical reason to attack someone's faults in any way. And I honestly believe your "I could have just beaten a team of paraplegic 7 year olds" is not only insulting, but the very thread of the issue here. People need to have respect for one another, and it's pretty clear through a statement like that, that you have none. There is _**ABSOLUTELY NO REASON **_to ever act that way after a match and I wish Riot would give parts of the player base more tools to see to it that players that are toxic to the community like this get chat restrictions if not permanent all chat bans. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} And here we have another shining example of this overly offended generation. 10 months later and people are still getting offended, lol. The worst part is, i never even condoned it, I simply wasn't offended that someone else would say it. You're literally offended because I'm not offended at the same thing that offends you. Maybe you should go find something more important to be angry about. GGEZ
That's not at all what I said. I was saying that it's wrong to have the 'bystander' effect be a part of this. If someone else is getting attack, you shouldn't stand for it, nor should you allow it. You said you never condoned it but your own comments clearly show that you do. It would be like watching 3 people beat on a child and not at least stepping in to tell them that it's wrong let alone stop it. That right there is what I am concerned about with the community. I'm not angry about it as a whole I'm more just concerned that good players will go elsewhere simply because they can't stand the toxicity of this games population. It needs to be something the community as a whole speaks out against.
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