: AD Kog'Maw doesn't need any buffs right now as he is sitting pretty as the highest winrate marksman in the game and has a positive match up into any other botlane champion (excluding Sona). A change like this would also make AP Kog'Maw even weaker than it currently is.
he's doing well no because varus, jhin, mf were nerfed
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Nostormo (EUNE)
: Okay... > i realized that the ap ratio on his e went down to 50 percent. wtf? why? \_\_\_\_\_ > once he had some AP he would go to creep wave, use E to instantly kill all the minions and just go back to the tower \_\_\_\_\_ > But, I mean. Synda can still one shot people with R despite missing all her skills, amirite? Heartless tries to excuse Kog's E's pre-nerf power by Syndra "one-shotting" people with R, ignoring what other aspects Kog's E is better at, so I just listed the aspects. What am I supposed to compare then, Taric's Z just for lolz?
no, to compare correctly you need to explain the differences in how they clear the creep waves. Syndra can Q the back line and throw a ball into the front line to clear a wave. How much mana does that cost and what are her cooldowns for those 2 abilities? honestly, kog'maw's e is probably one of the most expensive mana costing abilities in the game. 120 mana at rank 5 for 50% ap ratio is actually mental (this is disregarding the base dmg and %slow). if you're including the slow, its a 1.25 second slow unless you're walking on it like an idiot. MF has a better/reliable slow compared to kog'maw
JOJIO123 (NA)
: why did riot gut ap kog
meddler played a game vs an AP Kog'Maw OTP and lost lane super hard. thus resulted in nerfs where he was effected by the most. the ever so powerful E
ItsOrval (NA)
: That shit was cancer man. 2 artillery shots fucks you up lol.
Nostormo (EUNE)
: No. You'd have to be no-def item squishy writing your own death sentence and she'd need 4-5 orbs. Yes, her ability isn't the hardest to use, yes, it's relatively still very rewarding. But you are very seriously (to my sadness) comparing: KOG\_\_\_\_\_|\_\_\_\_\_ SYN 1280 range|675/750 range 80-120cost|100cost 12 sec CD .|120-80 sec CD Yes, Kog must aim his E. No, with the range, width and speed it's not really that counterable. The damage is not really that bigger to ignore all the aspects above.
You're comparing Kog'Maws E to Syndra R
Parceval (NA)
: But they just nerfed the shit out of exhaust so that other champions could find room in the game besides lethality. EVERYTHING MUST CHANGE BECAUSE LETHALITY!
i remember when kog'maw broke rageblade (or simply abused it really well) that they changed the entire item because of him. but when several ADCs clearly abuse it they make negligible changes
: I don't think this is correct. They do more against AA based adc's then spell based ones. The armor they give is the same as 2 cloth armor but the main thing they do is 12% damage reduction against AA's. Both parts provide protection against AA based adc's but only the 30 armor provides protection vs abilities which isn't very much. That being said I don't think that nerfing the boots is a good move because it just limits options people have against ad comps in the long run.
i agree they are effected against AA based champions BUT the armor stat vs lethality users is really hard to pass up especially for how much it costs. i believe its entirely early game oriented (the armor stat of boots) whereas the % reduction is late game oriented since the dmg reduction is HUGE in the late game compared to early game
Not Xpeke (EUW)
: I get what you're saying but I've actually ALWAYS thought ninja tabi's were a sleeper OP item that people didn't realise how good it was. Now they have.
they were undervalued for quite some time. after revert on Kog'Maw I built Tabis as my boots since 1) Lethality ADCs were still a thing 2) I didn't need too much AS as Kog'Maw since I could hit the cap with 2 items.
: They better not touch tabi's. The only armor item left that remains somewhat effective against that obnoxious 45% armor pen item
if they do they're showing favoritism towards ADCs that build lethality
ybuR (NA)
: How were tabis completely fine? Lmao if anything lethality made people realize that tabi are just a free win. Like literally you can see lcs games where people buy tabi vs like 1ad with ezreal
link me the game you're talking about
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Sasogwa (EUW)
: They nerfed MF, lethality and deathfire touch. Maybe she's still OP but Riot didn't completely ignore the situation.
I've played 2 games today and both games I've had a Lethality MF. I was planning on playing a 3rd but I really don't want to torture myself. The "nerfs" hardly did anything. Now her 2nd Q can crit? Great, just buy phantom dancer, hope for a crit + Lethality penetration. How does this solve the problem? Seems to me that it made it more problematic.
Axium (NA)
: Nerfing Lethality again would only bring back the issues we had before it was buffed. Tanks never dying, and ADCs providing nothing to a team. Remember bot-lane Ziggs? That only went away because of the Lethality buff.
Season 5 was (nearly) perfect in the sense of balance. It was in Season 5 where literally 2 ADCs purchased Youmoos (conditionally) which was Draven and Twitch. Additionally, Lethality does not kill tanks, %armor pen does. Lethality is SOLELY to kill squishies which was meant for assassins so what you're saying is a farce
Okuma (EUNE)
: Lethality is boring and op
it's been problematic for so long you'd think they would think of a reasonable way to fix it
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: Unless his taunt can be instant casted, I think that's a terrible idea. Galio's CC is very delayed, and most likely you'll die before he even hits them.
all i need is 6 stacks on Rageblade and 1 Galio ult C:
: nah, vayne is more braindead
this twitch has us beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIasapK6vfQ
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: Playing ADC in 7.5 sure feels great
you also played the most annoying, obnoxious, brain dead ADC in the game
: This Kog'Maw Skin is NOT okay Riot!!
I can't wait for it to come out! I'm going to change my name to PugMaw and only use the skin
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Gríff (NA)
: The day Riot Games made everyone in the world want to play Kog'Maw
I can't wait to do this on top of someone dead champion. This is better than t-bagging
: > [{quoted}](name=General KogMaw,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EMhrYbfM,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-08T02:38:08.877+0000) > > Eats Literally Anything (no trips to the vet) So American Kog'Maw?
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=General KogMaw,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EMhrYbfM,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-08T02:24:31.646+0000) > > Trained Dragon Kog'Maw would be really cool too! > > I guess I really like the change of art style because looking at Sonoran, Caterpillar, and Deep Sea Kog'Maw is really really boring. It does look fan made but idk just heart warming to me. > > I understand it doesn't fit but the suggestion you made would be an overlay and probably named "Definitely not Kog'Maw" Totally normal Earth-canine (you suspect nothing)
Eats Literally Anything (no trips to the vet)
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=General KogMaw,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EMhrYbfM,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-03-08T02:06:47.222+0000) > > oh nooo > > I thought it was better simply because it wasn't just an overlay/recolor. also its kind of cute. > > I also hate pugs but I guess they used pugs to make the pun I've been holding out hope for 'Trained Dragon Kog' ever since we got Dragon Trainer Trist. This thing is just... ugh. The art-style doesn't match League at all. It looks like one of those shitty fan-made skins. If it were Kog in an obvious dog costume with hilarious google eyes flopping around on top of the head I think I would be okay with it. This thing is just... I dunno. It doesn't fit.
Trained Dragon Kog'Maw would be really cool too! I guess I really like the change of art style because looking at Sonoran, Caterpillar, and Deep Sea Kog'Maw is really really boring. It does look fan made but idk just heart warming to me. I understand it doesn't fit but the suggestion you made would be an overlay and probably named "Definitely not Kog'Maw"
Rebonack (NA)
: I hate it. Mostly because I absolutely despise pugs with a fierce, burning passion. I've been desperately hoping Riot wouldn't take the 'dog'maw' skin idea seriously, because now I'm still waiting for a new Kog skin that isn't awful. Bad dog. Worst skin.
oh nooo I thought it was better simply because it wasn't just an overlay/recolor. also its kind of cute. I also hate pugs but I guess they used pugs to make the pun
: I like it. What I don't understand is why people don't like his skins because they look "ugly". Kog is a void monster; he was never made to be cute or adorable visually. You can put as much makeup as you want on a boar, it still looks like a boar.
Finally someone that is reasonable! I think this is his best skin by far. The eyes and walking animations are adorable.
Gríff (NA)
: The day Riot Games made everyone in the world want to play Kog'Maw
: Idk... Looks too uncanny for me, it's too realistic to be into the game, yet too cartoony to look like an actual pug. All in all.. It looks like a fan made skin, and i've seen better
compared to all his other skins, this is a well deserved one. look at in-game sonaran and caterpillar. the realistic part is the eyes because they stare into your soul when you're trying to kill me...... so don't hurt puppy kog!
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: Why does every new champion have a ton of moblilty
Escheton (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wgzf5G2H,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-03-06T20:22:07.662+0000) > > {{champion:427}} {{champion:202}} ? {{champion:427}} gives every one else a dash even {{champion:202}} has godly range and quite the speed-up. But, admittedly no dashes.
since speed is relative, jhin technically has more speed than a target he snares
: Ah, I've never felt like Riot does this otherwise when Tristana got her 1820 skin (Dragon Trainer) she would have been strong. Tristana can make EXTREMELY flashy plays with her resetting W, R, and her E and can be pretty oppressive if strong. There are a lot of champs that aren't 'kept strong' who have a lot of skins they can milk for money. I guess that I've just never felt that they keep champs strong for the $$$.
people don't play tristana though. people haven't played tristana and she hasn't seen the LCS since spring 2016 and isn't a top pick. jhin is and since he is "fun to play and does a lot of dmg" his skin prices make it reasonable to buy them
: > [{quoted}](name=FF Hyperion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEa9MgXp,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-03-06T21:48:41.498+0000) > > Kog wasn't so much Crit, more like on hit and just super poke artillery Exactly, that's why I don't understand why the OP thinks that Kog will be considered overpowered.
i should have made it a bit more sarcastic but anytime kog'maw is in a decent position, he's considered overpowered or over tuned and then receive unnecessary nerfs. he's conditionally strong right now but strong nonetheless and in a few months when certain champions fallout of favor ppl will see how strong kog'maw actually is regardless if he hasn't seen change in half a year (at that time)
: > [{quoted}](name=General KogMaw,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=spjc9PdV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-03-06T19:09:26.883+0000) > > he's maintained dominance (not necessarily highest winrate amongst ADCs) in the sense of being relevant regardless of the meta or item changes. there needs to be extraneous weaknesses besides changes to his kit/items. > > for example with le blanc nerfed, this opens up midlane for other potential midlanes. but with jhin nerfed, people still pick him because he is STILL a better pick than other ADCs and thats where the problem lies why not triple his e cd? he casts them way too fast
they also need to look at his E hitbox on elevated terrain. i honestly think for the amount of burst he has with his 3+4 AA + Q + E that he needs his AA range reduced to 500. he has the MS to get away when he crits and lands his E so there shouldn't be a problem
khorney (NA)
: who cares triforce doestn effect him. all he needs is runaans rage blade blade of the ruined king and nashors to win
: I'm still confused at what exactly they are milking with him? I agree that Jhin needs looking at as I think that he has very little trade offs (ADC's aren't able to really take advantage of their super AS anyway in team fights because they have to reposition so like Jhin's slower AA speed isn't as big of a hinderance anyway), but I'm not entirely sure what you're implying that Riot is doing.
1. people want to see him in the LCS - he's the newest ADCs and can do alot of flashy plays 2. as a result people want to play him more in game 3. then they buy his skins which both cost 1350 which is $10 each they want to keep this up and this is why they're so hesitant on balancing their money maker. they dont want any changes since they think he's fine in the state hes in currently. the changes on the pbe barely scrape the surface of what could be done with jhin
: How are they milking the cow with Jhin?
he's maintained dominance (not necessarily highest winrate amongst ADCs) in the sense of being relevant regardless of the meta or item changes. there needs to be extraneous weaknesses besides changes to his kit/items. for example with le blanc nerfed, this opens up midlane for other potential midlanes. but with jhin nerfed, people still pick him because he is STILL a better pick than other ADCs and thats where the problem lies
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: Will you nerf {{item:3047}}'s passive at some point?
maybe don't play lethality jhin. tabis are one of the only decent armor items for anyone, besides tanks, to build
: What rework? It's a revert. Kog back then bought Triforce as an early spike due to the meta. It might not be the best way to play him now.
: Meanwhile at champion.gg
looks like kog'maw's build
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: ????
i honestly should have put this in memes and games
: The average game time is a whopping 1 minute shorter than it was in season 5.
League of Graphs is entirely unreliable for information such at game length
: most champs are white tho
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