Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Her symbiote is the reason why she is mostly unchanged. It is permanently attached to her, acting as her second skin. It hunts with her, it calls her body its home. It is a native Voidborn that thrives in the Void and probably absorbs/shields Kai'Sa from any harmful effects or gives her immunity to the Void energy because of their symbiotic link. Stop making "if she's from the Void, she should be a monstrosity" arguments. Not every person who's come in contact with the Void has been permanently changed. This would literally be the same as you saying that since we have a Darkin like Aatrox, all Darkin now have to be demonized because that's the expectation we've come to consider as canon. While Varus is literally the middle ground and Kayn is just the beginning of the possible Darkin possession. Or because we have Iceborn that have drawn power from the Watchers themselves, every Iceborn should look like Lissandra. Ashe and Sejuani do use the power of True Ice due to their Iceborn heritage and yet, they are strikingly human.
This is what I've been trying to tell people. They act like everyone whole goes into the void should be fucked up some how. Where was it established that that's what happens when you go into the void? I feel like people use that excuse to complain about her cleavage. Getting really old with that sjw crap.
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cfBzsiK3,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2018-02-22T03:21:06.757+0000) > > You guys don't give up do you? This is the same exact thing many other threads have stated and she's not going to get changed.... Go look up what Lux looked like in her first iteration. The reason we have current Lux was due to player feedback.
Either way, now that i've seen her as a whole, I don't care for her. She's boring, and tbh disappointing. I doubt she will get changed. Did you hear what Wbobo , that rioter, said about Zoe? "Nevermind the haters." It's not gonna happen
: Anyone else find Kai'Sa's character... boring?
Gonna be honest.....she is. She's another Zoe...a champion made for entertainment purposes...
: My biggest problem with Kai'sa it's not that she's beautiful - she's LoL generic beautiful.
You guys don't give up do you? This is the same exact thing many other threads have stated and she's not going to get changed....
: I Think These Look Similar. Just My Opinion. Please Don't Hate Me.
Cetri (NA)
: {{champion:498}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:164}} also lbr if you don't think Illaoi and Taliyah are attractive then you're weak my man sorry i don't make the rules
Nymzo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RTYKHmKf,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-02-20T17:53:22.897+0000) > > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/champion-reveal-kaisa First of all, a ''second skin'' is not an biological armor by a long short. Second, look at Kassadin's skin compare to her. His looks like it got modified by the void, not hers. But Kai'sa? It looks more like she killed a void creature and carved a very light armor with breastplates with it and also made weapons.
It's called a symbiote...not armor. You know like Venom from spiderman?
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RTYKHmKf,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-02-20T17:46:47.562+0000) > > That's a little something called a rework. Not a new champion. Other then the name she's basically a new playable champion to the roster, and a very highly sexualized one at that. What if every VGU to come is as sexualized as evelynn, do we ignore that just because "they're just reworks".
Evelynn was suppose to be **the** sexy champion....how can you argue about that lol
Nymzo (NA)
: At the same time, Void champions are suppose to be transformed by the Void. Just look at her own father. I doubt the Void just give you... a suit for free. I would have prefered if **her entire body** was transformed forming some kind of biological armor, an ''alive'' armor or something.
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/champion-reveal-kaisa > To survive among predators, Kai’Sa became one. Stranded for years with no hope of rescue, Kai’Sa endured through sheer will and a symbiotic second skin adapted from a living Void creature. Now the Daughter of the Void emerges an apex hunter torn between two worlds: the one that birthed her, and the one that made her. > symbiotic second skin adapted from a living Void creature > from a living Void creature
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RTYKHmKf,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-20T16:30:36.998+0000) > > Just look at the last line of female champions. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/a2/Evelynn_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170930024501 She counts as like 2 at once right?
: I have 0 problem with attractive Champions. I think having them does not make Riot sexist at all. I generally like them. My main critique for the new Champion's design is that it's generic, safe and disappointing. They had an opportunity to make a really creepy champ, and instead we get something pretty standard. She also doesn't feel unique, visually. I (and Riot, mind you) want every Champ to feel distinct, and Kai'Sa feels like we've seen her in this game before, plenty of times. The attractiveness is not inherently the problem. I think the critiques about her "sexiness" mainly stem from the fact that she is a survivor of the Void. One would expect someone that survived a horrifying dimension to be a little more twisted than this design. Thus, the attractiveness feels cheap, not like it suits the character. We are not suggesting every woman released from now on can't be sexy just because MF exists or something, but for this character in particular? It feels out of place.
I think she feels distinct towards any other champion Riot has atm, you can't compare her to other fantasy and call her generic. You have to put her on the scale of champions Riot has. I don't see other champions similar to this. > I think the critiques about her "sexiness" mainly stem from the fact that she is a survivor of the Void. One would expect someone that survived a horrifying dimension to be a little more twisted than this design. As I've told some one else, can a person not go to the void and comeback "normal looking?" It was never stated that you can get distorted just from being in the void. I go off of facts and what's given to us. Yes Kassadin is distorted, but that rul doesn't and shouldn't apply to every other person in league of legends. This is why I wasn't expecting _anything_ , they haven't established that this happens when you go to the void. Only that is _can_ happen.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Do you think i would care if she was from, let's say, Noxus? It would still make little sense, but at the end, she wouldn't be from the Void. Last region that should use sex to sell. I am not talking about tight suit, I am talking about the open part of suit, and under that there is her cleavage. I prefer attractive champions to unattractives if I must, tbh, but Kai'Sa really doesnt make sense in my eyes.
There it is, the "sex sells" mentality. With that I'm over this discussion with you. I'm not biased toward "they should have them" or "they shouldn't." I'm accepting of what she looks like. You didn't seem me "complain about complainers" with the last couple of female champions. I tend to look at concepts as a whole, If i worried about how she looks like all the time I'm just being selfish and biased to my own beliefs.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Then tell my why the one person who was in touch with the void for the longest time out of all the champs and characters in the lore should be the most human one? I wouldn't have a problem with her if she hadn't been in touch with the void for a long time. But at least from what we can see the logic goes pretty much backwards,she was in touch with the void longer than anyone else that we know of,yet her body changed less than anybodies else.
Im sure there is a reason in her lore. You act like that can't happen my god. It was never stated her body twist and contorts like if you were in the black mist for a long time. It's established that you can die if there for a long time and turn into something ghoulish. But was it stated for the void?
: I don't understand, what is the issue with expectations and opinions? You don't like the ones you don't agree with? Your content with her design is an opinion too. I don't think it's hilarious at all, it's just your opinion. If you like the design that's fine. Plenty of people are disappointed with it. That's all.
Because when some one is having expectations, they have a biased thought toward what's reveal. Then they complain because it's not what they wanted. You can have an opinion, but don't try to force Riot to follow you're opinion. That's what triggers **me,** Riot has their concepts.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Model is not the thing I am gonna see in a teamfight. What matters is splash art. And her splash art is hilarious for an "apex predator" from the Void.
I understand your biased in this discussion but, my point stands. It's a symbiotic suit, it's going to be very close to her skin. And How would we know what she looks like? Not every spash art has to be modest and not every artist should fear the rage of sensitive fans.
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RTYKHmKf,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T17:16:39.256+0000) > > Have you ever heard of a symbiote? If the symbiote is trying to protect her, why isn't it covering her vitals? Do Voidborn think touching boobs is gross?
Guess you didn't look at the ingame model either, it covers up her whole body...
GreenLore (EUW)
: Overall the thing is that at the moment I don't see any reason for her to look sexy. She lived isolated from humans for years and her small lore tidbit makes it sound like she considers staying on the side of the void,so why would she need to be sexy? Also we saw what the void can do with the rift herald and the marai from Namis comic https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegendsoficial/images/e/e6/Rasho.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170902165759&path-prefix=es
I'm going to ask you again, can a person not go to the void and come back out looking normal? Can that just not happen in the universe of League of Legends? Or is that not what you want personally..
Fasmodey (EUW)
: What does it? Not covering boobs? Sounds useful.
But it does cover her boobs though...did you see the in game model or did you choose to not look at the reveal. Even though her splash art doesn't show it, she doesn't walk around the world flashing her boobs. The suit covers up to her head...
: Not if they spent an extended period of time in a horrible dimension that is _supposed_ to corrupt regular humans, that's literally it's schtick. She looks like a shampoo commercial. I don't think critics of the new Champ's design dislike regular human designs, I think they dislike the design because its not fitting for someone who survived the depths of the Void. Hot chicks are fine, I encourage them even, when they make sense.
Expectations and opinions. That's all I hear to the point it's hilarious lol. So with my expectation, I hope to bring an uprising on the boards to hopefully get Kai'sa changed into a more respectable lady.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: When I imagined a void character, I didn't expect a suit covered everything except the boobs. Never knew voidborns were too afraid to go in there, or how important the boobs are for an apex predator. Boobs or no kill. That's sex appealing. If it was a male void marksman, we would likely not even see his face, or 4 claws ready to rip where his face supposed to be. I am never against sexy characters, do it. I really don't care. But I don't want them to destroy the fantasy of lore. What I learnt from the Void was how terrifying place it is and its individuals, originally born there or not. Everything is malformed and changed here, that's what story said. I don't know how a beautiful chick came from here. Neither I expected.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Even if its not an eye,the fact remains that at least in the current lore,Malzahar has never entered the void in the first place,he merely saw it in the visions. Also if we want another example of void corruption look no further than the rift herald. That thing used to be a regular scuttle crab,now it is gigantic with a new eye on its back.
But one human looking "regular" can't exist for some reason though right?
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RTYKHmKf,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-02-20T16:39:40.209+0000) > > {{champion:90}} He's horribly warped? Where? He grew a third eye. His normal eyes have turned into spooky pools of Void energy. Can't say much beyond that since he's covered head to toe in clothing. But I would imagine something along the lines of what happened to Nami's fishy friend wouldn't be beyond reason. If the new gal's suit wasn't a suit, I would have less of an issue here. If she had some inhuman feature herself, even a minor one, I wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow. Riot has made it pretty clear that monstrous champs don't get played as much, so I understand why we didn't get something totally inhuman.
I just think you don't want attractive champions. I'm not looking for the sexiest thing from Riot, but I don't make a big point about it either..
Fasmodey (EUW)
: What point am I supposed to criticize when we had only look? What ridiculous is you. Just for once stop licking Riot's ass and let people say what they want. I am really bored by your threads complaining about others complaining after every single freaking release. You are not the person can shut up me, or others. She is sex appealing character for no reason. I wouldn't mind if she was from any other region but Void literally doesn't make sense. And i am not gonna accept the reasons behind it because it is easy to cover up "we wanted money lmao" with any excuse. I like Riot, and I would gladly like to see them as the best game company ever. I support them. I want them to improve and have quality. That doesn't mean I will accept everything they do blindly, they need criticize to improve.
I don't lick Riots boots, and people know that. People criticize for the sake complaining or it's Sjw related. People see a attractive woman and loses their shit just because of that and tries to force Riot to make every femal champ like Kalista. I even seen a comment that said they want Riot to take them in that general direction..... > She is sex appealying character for no reason. That's your opinion. You can't just look at her as a whole or maybe that's what she was suppose to look like in the first place? I greww tired of the trivial complaints because people get so sensitive over are to the point it's shrew. What was she suppose to look like Fasmodey? What was your personal head canon of the Void marksman that was teased for weeks. Your personal head canon and what was finalize are too different things.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Have you looked at Malzahars new splash? Those squares on his hood aren't just a neat design,they are holes. He has literally a third eye growing out of his forehead. And he wasn't even in the void to begin with. Also in what way go "isolation from all other humans" and "looking sexy" hand in hand?
That seems to be the same thing with Diana, a glowing sigil on his head. What splash art show is being holes?....I'll wait. And the point I'm trying to make is that there is no information about what can happen to a human in the Void. For all we know Kassidan forged some sort of armor during his stay in the void or got mutilated by something. And with that ignorance, you can't just expect humans to turn into mutants with no information. People are just way to sensitive to that point it's shrew...
Nyloaf (NA)
: theres someone for every champion, SOMEONE is going to find the new champions sexy no matter what they look like. Hell- I'm positive someone has a thing for kog'maw.
Yes, but do they need to bring pitchforks as a means to force Riot to make every female champ to look like Taliyah or Jinx?
Rebonack (NA)
: Considering that everyone else we've met has been horribly warped by the Void from even brief exposure, it's understandable that people would be puzzled over this new champ coming out of *years* being stranded there with zero physiological alterations. I'm reserving judgement until we get her long-lore, but the reason had better be pretty amazing. Otherwise this is a clear case of violating standing lore for the sake of sex appeal.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Well they also made a point about not designing champs to be sexy for the sake of sexyness. The attractiveness has to fit with the theme of the character. But since Kai'sa was lost in the void for years now,there doesn't seem to be much reason for her to be sexy.
There doesn't seem much reason to maker her a mutant either. Especially since Malzahar doesn't look like one right? .....Especially since we still know nothing about the void to begin with and you act like you do.
: You, Sir, must be new to the internet.
No, people just get way too over sensitive over seeing what Riot can do with art. I've been on the boards for yrs now and seen this before. It's ridiculous.
: I don't want her to look _identical_ to Kalista, but that general direction, yes. Kalista is pretty tame in my opinion, though. The creepiest thing about her is the way she talks as a chorus of vengeful people essentially, but even then it's pretty tame. Kalista is more pitiable than creepy. Though I don't think "corpse-like" is the only option either. They could have easily given her a pretty face, but something _else_ about her design is not quite right. They had a lot of avenues and I think I take issue with the fact that, visual design-wise at least, it feels like they took the most generic route. The Void is supposed to be this unknown and unknowable abyss with Lovecrafitian-style horrors. Very little about her design indicates any of this.
Rioter Comments
Skelenth (EUW)
: I get it that sex sells
You do get that they took a long break from making attractive champions and even stated last year that it's time for another attractive champion to come up, which also wasn't evelynn since that was a rework?
: Initial Thoughts on New Champ Art, Kai'sa
> She just looks like so many generic, attractive video game woman. Opinion base indeed, but we kinda don't need to start that argument already so early just because she looks attractive...
: I need a life
No. This is a fine hobby actually. It shows how much you like the lore.
Miiiukz (NA)
: {{champion:107}} A hunter who uses weapons screams in the air? Magic
well he's already 70% magic right? pretty sad concept Riot has.
: "hey riot turrets are shit can you fix"
: So what does smaller, but more frequent LUs mean for us?
The word count is understandable, they should have mentioned it earlier. But overall the revisit seems like it will be slow. In fact, champions like Ekko took over a year to get their color stories. Honestly not a fan of some now some later, not a lot of people will be willingly to wait once they know how long it could take. If they plan to revisit Zaun's lore and actually hit some key points like Jinx/Vi mystery or Piltover's C maybe feel enthusiastic? I just don't like how they just throw a little out there just to be relevant. It leads me to think just like you're stating in this thread; worried. But they've done it long enough now so they don't plan on changing. Things are still tied to releases because idk and lore just takes to long to be delivered. Well the actual lore we want to know, not about a new kingdom in the Noxian empire. I think you're expected to have thoughts like that.
: I don't know how useful this comment will be, but I'll try. It's true that Jhin used blades before guns, but it's important to note that it wasn't *just* blades, it was a whole martial art, specifically a chi technique. This fighting style was invented by Jhin's father, and apparently it would have been far more well known, but wuju style (Master Yi's thing) overshadowed it. Jhin would power his blades with chi energy, and this energy would let him change things physically when he struck them. He does the same thing with his bullets now, which is how he does his E passive. Read [this](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/f4rA8EGP-jhins-alternative-color-story). The chi technique could most likely do more, but I'm not sure what.
Ahhh...It's nice to know people are starting to finally comprehend Jhin.
: Why has Riot been silent to anything related to ADC?
Phazanor (NA)
: I love it, but could you add the references for each event? For example, I never heard of the woman that brought the artifact that might be the blade on Sion's head, among other things, and I'd really like to read these lore bits. Anyways, thanks for the post.
Rioter Comments
: Tahm Kench is a demon of misery. He feeds on the emotional anguish of humans, and while he can't work directly with his prey, he can manipulate them into place. The thing with demons is that they are not all powerful. In order to work with humans, they must first establish a contract. Evelynn's contract is simply willing physical touch, so she has made an appearance for herself that will make people want to… well, touch her. Kench is a little more complex. He requires a spoken deal, a bargain. A gambler was down on his luck. He owed a few powerful people a lot of money, and his gambling addiction was going to gat him killed. So he finally decided to "change his path and walk away." But that's when Tahm saw an opportunity. He appeared to the gambler and basically said "I'll carry you from this place so your life won't be in danger." So the contract was "I will take you to another place, and at some point in the future, you have to 'let me in.' " The gambler agreed, and Tahm took him to a place where two things would happen: the gambler would be able to gamble more, and he would also find love. Eventually, Tahm showed up and started making good on the gambler's bargain. He eventually took the man's bride as well. Now, someone once asked me, how could Tahm kill the bride if he hadn't made a contract with her? Here's the answer: The bride was a part of the Gambler's (for clarity, I'm going to call him "The Man") deal. The Man's contract was basically "Take me away from this place, and in return I'll give you what you want in the future." The tricky thing is, that video was largely metaphorical. The Man wanted to be taken away from "this place" where he was about to "change his path (give up gambling)." Tahm's deal was that he takes The Man away, but what Tahm really got was the chance to take him to a different place, one that would enable his gambling addiction. So after The Man got married, Tahm arrived and "ate the gifts, and house, and gold," but that wasn't literally Tahm, it was The Man's gambling addiction forcing him to sell off his stuff to pay his debts. Tahm enabled The Man's addiction knowing that he would lose everything to it, even eventually his wife. Maybe his wife was killed by the people he couldn't pay back, and maybe his wife left him. Either way, Tahm succeeded in causing the most amount of misery possible in a single man, and that was a fine meal.
It still doesn't make some sense. Was Tahm ever there at all or did the gambler's conscience kick in and made with develop a smarter path to victory? Because Rioters made it seem like Kench wasn't even there, but is jsut the embodiment of greed. That's my issue with this whole thing. They don't clarify what Tahm is and what he does enough. They said" Foibles of mankind" then say he's a demon. And recent demon lore means they are their own beings, rather than some embodiment. I think his lore needs a serious clarification retcon update.
Naalith (NA)
: I'm a little sad that Beatrice/Demon of Secrets and characters like it aren't explored more fully
That's what Riot does. They leave bread crumbs and I've far been annoyed by it.
: How exactly did Swain conquer the demon of secrets?
This makes me wonder if Tahm or Evelynn can make pacts with humans....although I don't wish for someone to have eve's powers. A human mind with demon powers is a whole nother level......right Swain?
: No you arent, I have wanted a lore focus game around Runeterra for years now.
: Riot has destroyed all love I had for the lore
Legends and folklore is what make League of legends. Every champ is considered legendary in some way. This would mean that even though they have they own stories and settings, people still have at least heard about them in some way. See LoL's lore as folklore is what it's suppose to be. How can you imagine what happened in Shurima to be something recent? It didn't, it happened millennia ago. And that's why the Fall of Shurima is regarded as a legend. Only recently did Azir got resurrected, Xerath didn't betray him a few years ago. I'm not understanding why you wouldn't find that appropriate. That's what legends are: folklore, old stories, bedtime stories, tales,etc.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Yeah thats definetly odd. Maybe there was a time when magic was seen as the weapons of a weakling(so physical strenght was valued over magical)? Or Boram forcibly drew everyone with magical abilities into the army?
I think this was the era where Darius was enrolled in the army. I don't think he likes magic users.
Rioter Comments
: ANNIE
Wow.....I really do hope this is a new road for Riot's Narrative. That was absolutely amazing.
: Am I the only one who fears it's going to be Frozen "ripoff" ("Scorched") and additionally it ends up with Annie not being able to control her powers, accidentally killing her sister and/or her parents, becoming psycho and this way taking control of her powers?
People who make valid observations always gets down votes lol
: Wtf is with all this loli talk lately? Is this just because of zoe? If so I am worried about the lengths rito is going to to attract new players.
"Life has many doors Ed-boy" And so do players.
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