: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 8 :A vision of scales A vision of lies and truth. The things this mask has seen. Scratched, Broken, Reassembled. Every day forevermore. When you walk the digital planescape you need a mask. Using your bare face makes you vulnerable. BUt humans aren't used to that, so they look for any reason to peel away some of the mask. Voice. Text. Photos of themselves Drawings Ancient texts. Chat logs. Odd jobs. Gaming experiences. Personal stories. You see everything on the internet, and the internet stares back. Testing you Forcing you to make decisions In the span of seconds. Because you will also meet everyone on the internet as well. Each with their own mask, each with their own tale, each with their own scale. I find myself playing the role of a buddhist arbiter standing in replacement for authority watching the rainbow from a place of grey. Not everyone needs the touch of authority, but an unfiltered view of the world, IN a language they understand. Because the Eyes of Judgement are all around Tearing at you. Thus I find myself walking around most of the time With my eyes closed.
: i don't get it.
> [{quoted}](name=TheRiddum,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-03-01T02:26:11.669+0000) > > i don't get it. Sorry it was a two parter
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 7: The Aftermath. The two clan mates sit at a bus stop on a planet far away. It's pouring rain in mid-day. It's the day after. One stands, chewing a toothpick, too polite to smoke around their fellow. The other, sitting with her hand on her knees. Slumped over in deep thought. "Whatever happens, don't blame yourself" The standing one says, putting up their hoodie for warmth. "Ok..." You don't need physical presence to have an effect on someone. As physical touch goes down and screens go up As the barriers in which we live in reality get further defined and constricting It becomes important to set the mood. "She needs a kind of help that none of us can give her. It's best we all move on..." " Yea..." IN a den of lies and secrecy Of memetics and infohazards It's important to remember individual circumstances, Biting off a piece of my toothpick and chewing it, I spit it out into the rain where it will be washed away, nervous energy being discarded. I sit down and get hugged, surprised but appreciative. Two minds linked if only for just a moment The screen idle as the two stare at seconds rolling into minutes. The weight of experience and regret heavy on both their hearts. Electromagnetic pulses reaching each other through the wifi. Faint, little waves hidden in our communications Judgement absent Lectures nowhere to be found Just two people who understand each other. If even only for that moment.
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 6: Relationships are very Hard When you try to Ride everything with a dick The story of the most isolated among us, the mobile game community. A good chunk of them teenagers in their sexual awakening lacking any meaningful guidance in life. A spectrum of parents, Ranging to the caring to the controlling. Shades of grey Everywhere you look. Masks of text and pixels. And I, their watcher. Trying to remain a witness and not intervene. Even then my mask attracts, my mere presence a curiosity . And I get dragged in as well. So I walk with another. A beautiful example of humanity. In the arms of a control freak. My mask becoming a threat to the stability. My mere presence, a fight for territory The details, a cognitohazard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEspxEte8S8 *takes a drag from her cigarette* Emotions and actions, rising by the day. The chessboard unrecognizaable from a few iterations ago. Knowledge of the pieces involved long enough to go on for eternity. I see the winning move. But should I take it?
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 5: Petty bullshit I hit on a streak of 28 lesbians straight over 5 years ( . _.)b
: Is there another option other than the report button? I have recorded evidence.
> [{quoted}](name=Evil Jester,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UratlP4F,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-26T06:30:10.118+0000) > > Here's the deal. I was playing an ARAM game, I was tanking as amumu and I walked over a health spawn WITHOUT the green + symbol. It ended up spawning right under me witch then pissed of Twitch who was low on health, I explain that this was an accident. > > Twitch then proceeds to take all the heals every time I was low on HP. There were 3 of them spawned at once and he took all 3 of them from me while he was at full health. He did this to me 2x. > > I know that when you reported someone and they get punish you sometimes get a little pop up window like so > http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFN-7pWWYAAMdnX.png > > I have NEVER personally seen this for myself, any time I have ever reported someone. I have the replay of the match which should include everything from from the chat (where he literally dared me to do this) to him grifing and taking heals he knew I needed. Yes we ended up winning, he carried hard but he wouldn't have done nearly as well without my Q-ult combos, not that I think it should matter. It was rude, uncalled for. And i'm sick of always clicking the report button and feeling like nothing gets done to correct attitudes like this. The guy was getting all snarky with me daring me to post it on the forums, confident that nothing would come of it. > > Can we please prove him wrong? Like I said I got the proof in ROFL format ready to be uploaded to anyone willing to help. they will take tickets for this kind of report
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 4: A tale of salt and sanctuary. Lesson: keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Rust. The hardcore wasteland. A hive of scum and villainy. Of loot and pillaging. Of loyalty to your tribe and no one else. It is here that the best aspects of humanity shine through, as any light in the darkness glows brilliantly. Plenty of stories of talking to people after a raid. Of 4 rocket raids. Of jumping walls with basic materials .This is not one of those stories This story is about a megaclan, their rise, and their fall. And the people involved in making it all happen Wipe day. Everyone starts fresh. Prime location. Middle of three ruined locations(called radtowns, they contained most of the component loot) with a large open field next to a road. Our closest neighbors were a mixed Korean clan shooting everyone on sight with full armor and weapons only 3 hours into the wipe. Up the hill, we had a village of loosely tethered savages ganking us in small groups with primitive weapons. Still very effective Despite the pressure, our group would manage to get the shell of our base built successfully, but fatigue would kick in before totally securing it. That night, the Korean Nation attacked The savages would hear this, and , realizing they were next, would run over and spam grenades at them. This is back when they were cheap. A 5 hour process of hiding, taking down every raid tower, and running at them with rocks The next day they sent a proposal, a team raid against the Koreans The raid was a massive fail, with the savage team getting ganked out the door with most of our building materials. But it was in that failure that a few of the savages would come to us with a more covert approach. Using night cover to jump their wall and make a raid base while they were sleeping . It is in Jolly Co-Operation that we find our closest friends. The threads of fate ensure we will find these people. These savages would eventually become the main group. Together, we were all savages. We didn't care about peoples opinions. We built walls around bases. We took easy and cheap raids just because they were there. We didn't care whether a raid was online or offline. We gave home to the lost and treated our fellows as equal, enemies as scum to be destroyed. We were neither heroes nor villains. Simply a shade of grey in a game tinged in red. It is in such deep bonds of camaraderie that you also open yourself up to get hurt. But that story is, perhaps, best saved for an episode much later.
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 3 RMT is the single biggest factor in the inflation of online game communities. On the other hand, it could be considered a precursor to P2Win systems currently employed by MANY MANY games. In my experience, many games could not be enjoyed without RMT. Without dropping some money here and there on gold, I can honestly say I would not have had a good a time in the game as I should have. Either equipment was necessary in order to further farm for rares, or the level of gold needed to be proficient in a skill was a hurdle unfun to overcome I once tried out for a goldfarming site and failed miserably. The idea was shelved for a while, until I got deeeeeep into the botting community I would run 3 bots on runescape for a pittance of about 60 dollars a month. Decent. But altogether not that interesting. Amd I probably got my numbers on money wrong this was like 2011-ish No, the lulz would come from Maplestory You see there exists a quirk in nearly all online games: if the program crashes, when loading up next it is forced to load a backup of the database it was using. IN this case, Maplestory would back itself up per-channel at 5 minute intervals. //// Mods go ahead and /redact/ my method if this isn't allowed, there is no need to delete my post outright. Go SCP foundation on me :) //// Duplicating items was a series of coincidences. Every time you switch channels, you force a backup of your character data. Stats, items, etc etc. If a merchant was selling items and his channel crashed before the 5 minute interval, he would gain back any items sold in that 5 minutes A buyer buys item A and switches channel The seller keeps their shop open until a channel crash or impending Maintenance now both people have copies of whatever item For a long time, this sort of exploit was limited to the scheduled maintenances, and was typically undetected, though some prolific dupers were creating god items and mass distributing them . Thus, limited economic impact was deemed controllable. But what happens when some chucklefuck figures out how to crash channels on command? What happens when he's made his money and needs to cover his tracks? He posts it to a private board. Within a week the glitch had mass spread. People were crashing every channel, every day, for about a week or so. Most were using these scrolls worth 100,000,000 directly sellable to an NPC to max out their cash and ride out the crashstorm. I was no exception, but I could see the rollback coming a mile away. I IM'd my Goldseller contact and told him I had gold to sell him. All said and done, my group made roughly 400 to split between three people Money we effectively got for selling Leperchaun Gold. Is that the right refernce? I would go on to pull another 200 out of Maplestory before my bothax were patched out and the author quit All money that went directly towrad living expenses.
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
Episode 2 before I go to sleep A feminist finds her son watching porn, having circumvented 3 layers of child blocks using a PSP. A blog is posted about how she wishes she aborted him. A 4chan post is made upon discovery. An interesting thing happens when you are watching the internet live at work. You get inspired. You start to participate It was a holy mission from Kek to show this kid what his mother was saying about him. Given to Anonymous It doesn't matter your political views No one supports abortion well into the 42nd trimester. Episode 3: Using Maplestory to buy food IRL
: NEETs don't have long life stories if they did they would have some character and personality.
> [{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-25T03:49:07.492+0000) > > NEETs don't have long life stories if they did they would have some character and personality. They tend to have the deepest stories. Not necessarily the longest
: I got a job but I barely talk to anybody and everyone think I am weirdo :/
> [{quoted}](name=Summoners Drift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-25T03:08:01.745+0000) > > I got a job but I barely talk to anybody and everyone think I am weirdo :/ I feel you. I became the Crazy Dude at all my jobs because of this
: Why should I? Do you believe you deserve to know?
> [{quoted}](name=L Psy Congroo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-25T01:58:46.951+0000) > > Why should I? Do you believe you deserve to know? Only you can answer that question. I've spent so much time on the internet I wanna change it. To do so I need more than just my own experiences
: Am here :)
> [{quoted}](name=JustTryinM8,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-25T01:19:15.700+0000) > > Am here :) ( . _.)b
: I never even knew "NEET" was a thing
> [{quoted}](name=Unrefõrmed,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-25T01:03:36.373+0000) > > I never even knew "NEET" was a thing It's a japanese term that became popular recently
: The answer to questions like these is always another question: >How easy would it be to abuse?
> [{quoted}](name=Unrefõrmed,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kE2MshlT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-24T22:56:05.161+0000) > > The answer to questions like these is always another question: "Bruh I'mma bout to demote, just leave this game is lost"
: I use my computer all day, every day (except when I go to college)
> [{quoted}](name=BlueVestGuy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NfWlNIEY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-24T23:00:35.623+0000) > > I use my computer > all day, every day > (except when I go to college) That was one syllable off from a haiku on line 1 and 3 6-5-8. ... wait ... is a haiku 757 or 575?
: Ghosts of the internet, I want to hear from you
This topic isn't about judgement. It's not about right or wrong. It's about many things, chief of which how virtual worlds make us feel I'll provide an example of dubious morality. LEsson of this story: people hold grudges, don't use auto-login. A game of open world survival. A type of MMO pvp farmville. Haven and Hearth before the 3d update My group and I were trolling through the wilderness taking things from decaying bases. At some point we trespassed on a korean clan village that was mostly decayed. The next morning I wake up and we are being seiged by 4 korean Gokus one shotting us with slingshots. They build a brick wall around our base and lock it. We thankfully have an underground tunnel leading out to a natural cave. A certain guy in my group takes everything left of value and leaves the skype group. Fuck the Koreans. We'll never get back at those guys. I backtrack to the site of a couple of our decaying base raids. I can find scents of our transgressions which will lead me right to where this guy went. I put on my mask for the performance of a lifetime{{champion:202}} Halfway across the world, past the Neutral zone, a trek which would take me a day and a half, I find the guy. The dude realizes I know where he is and offers me back in right away. He knows the rest of the group will stomp his shit in if we're left to stay mad at him He won't trust me in his house. Naturally. A couple others had followed him. I based with them, no one else from the main group was allowed to come over. I played my cards carefully. Me and the dude had a mutual connection through another Moba at the time. I sent him a tutorial video infected with a RAT. I knew he kept his computer on while he was at school and that I'd only have about a day before antivirus would catch my shitty attempt at encrypting my little payload He logged in and gave our stuff back willingly. He was even nice enough to delete all his characters in apology. Funny how a program still in ram can delete itself from the pc before terminating. Next Episode: Finding and telling a Kid what his abusive mother wrote about him.
: Why do people int feed?
> [{quoted}](name=Only Communicate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WmKEcZp0,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-24T22:02:51.009+0000) > > If you die 3 times in lane, it's fine. But if you die 5+ times it's inting even if you didn't plan to. > > Why don't people learn that they have to play safely. I'mma point out your flaw in logic. Ready? >even if you didn't plan to Sorry no that isn't how it works.
Rioter Comments
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ginsanchou,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I1BFj46I,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-02-21T17:19:27.595+0000) > > There is an official statement that Riot aims to push your winrate to 50% in order to push oyu into the right ELO No, there are statements that say people eventually end up at 50% because that's what happens when you're playing against equally skilled people. That's not the same as saying the system stacks the game against you when you're winning.
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I1BFj46I,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-02-21T17:23:14.244+0000) > > No, there are statements that say people eventually end up at 50% because that's what happens when you're playing against equally skilled people. > > That's not the same as saying the system stacks the game against you when you're winning. ergo, they treat 50% winrates as proof the"system is working" thus the system is likely unintentionally designed to push 50%
Subdue (NA)
: Where did this ridiculous forced win rate conspiracy theory start? It's obnoxious and makes no sense at all! Even the most basic of questions throw out on its head! Why would Riot do it? How does Riot select the 4 people that should lose with you? How does Riot select the 5 people that should get a free win in the other side?
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I1BFj46I,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-21T13:39:44.667+0000) > > Where did this ridiculous forced win rate conspiracy theory start? It's obnoxious and makes no sense at all! Even the most basic of questions throw out on its head! > > Why would Riot do it? > > How does Riot select the 4 people that should lose with you? > > How does Riot select the 5 people that should get a free win in the other side? There is an official statement that Riot aims to push your winrate to 50% in order to push oyu into the right ELO
: Kill yourself.
Welp my Gameplay thread got deleted GuessI'm here now. Sup?
zPOOPz (NA)
: well, suicide is a touchy subject and sometimes people are just not comfortable discussing it. It has nothing to do with being nice.
They are being nice by not talking about it, which in and of itself is a valuable thing sometimes.
: Kill yourself.
MAybe there should be text on the screen at all times about what will get you a penalty?
zPOOPz (NA)
: HOW are you being treated as just a shitposter? I don't see much insults, trollings, etc. you typically find in a real shitpost. Sometimes, people are not interested in a topic.... That doesn't mean they think the thread is a shitpost. It just means people are simply not interested...
> [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U9O0URx5,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-02-18T18:36:29.203+0000) > > HOW are you being treated as just a shitposter? I don't see much insults, trollings, etc. you typically find in a real shitpost. Sometimes, people are not interested in a topic.... That doesn't mean they think the thread is a shitpost. It just means people are simply not interested.. Silence can be deafening. But Honestly, I purposely didn't come around for a few days because I expected a waterfall. I can make assumptions all day about why, but maybe people being nice for a change is a good assumption to go with ( . _.)b
: The punishment system and mental health
Can a script be coded to evaluate your chat and rate your toxicity? An opt-in button you use post-game?
: The punishment system and mental health
Am I still being treated as just a shitposter? This issue caused me genuine emotional distress. Being "right" in League was all I had while my mind worked on something better. Proving my strategies were useful became everything I lived for. I can see ways my situation can be avoided. And I don't really know what I want with this topic anymore... maybe just to know I wasn't ignored again and that my story is really being taken into consideration? It comes to mind that lots of people judged me for this post. But again, the lukewarm response to what I had to say and silence after I poured my hear out is just disappointing. Maybe some part of me is doing this for attention. Maybe I've convinced myself I'm doing it for attention because I feel people jujdging me and am trying tobe humble. Maybe doing things like this is actually all I have to distract myself from the painful reality I live in. I do not have the answer, honestly. But for my sake and others, as I ACTUALLY WRITE THE WORDS, I wanna try and do sOMETHING so that we can avoid needless punishment and escalation. MAke the rules clearer to people who /never come to the forums/. Avoid the phenomenon of "well I act this way all the time must be ok". Use the system to give feedback not in a aggressive manner, but a helpful one. Turn the systems purpose around.
Ulanopo (NA)
: >I ALWAYS expected I would get a warning /BEFORE/ a penalty, /because/ I've never had said penalty. A 10-game chat restriction is effectively a warning.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U9O0URx5,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-17T03:47:19.946+0000) > > A 10-game chat restriction is effectively a warning. I suppose I 'm just of the opinion that merely adding the one layer would open up more possibilities. IF even one person avoids becoming more toxic without the need for an escalation. I feel like that's a win. The permanent black mark picked at my brain and my soul. My reduced and locked honor felt like a stain on everything I held dear to this world. But that was all the catylyst to what happened to me today. I've seen the rising trend in sadness across this board. I've read many different things and they disturb me. At the back of my mind, I take every individual here on this board as someone whose lives have been ruined for just a small amount of time, over 100 times(number relating to the number of games one has playeD). I relate my emotions to individual experiences. Across seconds. Across Weeks and years. I live the loop of trying to live in this world millions of times a day. People depend on games in this day and age to keep them sane. To relax and forget. For some, it's their only socialization. Many don't have the words, the time, or the energy to come here and relate their experience. Progress in a game is their only tether to reality while they search for answers. What to do. What to wear. What to eat. WIll they have enough money to support themselves. Whether their lives are even sustainable in this ever changing world. Can ANY resources be put forward to prevent even /just one person/ from having to feel what I feel on a daily basis? For some people, they don't want to relive the fear they feel in daily life by coming here to talk about what they felt. Their problems are more important to them than a silly old game, but that one good game could have saved their life. How easy it's teeter over the edge and do something stupid. I'll reiterate that merely feeling like doing it is a deeper experience that anyone will realize. And as a person who experiences every individual moment as a thousand lifetimes(by choice), I can relate to the total important of seconds in time being a factor in someones life. I didn't do anything today. But I felt that urge. I felt that tug. I relive this so many times a day, it hurts. But I always have. And I always will. I know this about myself. I guess I'll just come out and say it. I've been calling out for help in the chat logs. I felt like even just one person might be listening and send out a personal warning or something. One support staffer who would read what I wrote and check if I was ok with a suspension and an email. ONE person to check after the game if I was alright with a friend request. Even just a canned message in a popup about the suicide hotline given after a particularly hard feed where I could have keyworded "I hate my life " or some variant thereof. I don't know what I wanted. I just wanted someone to care. To know someone had my back at Riot. Nothing ever came. I continued to call and there was no answer. I live every day in a constant state of thinking of what I can do better because I live life on a matter of seconds. Can even ONE needlessly ended life be saved by even making ONE little change that maybe helps 100 or so people over the course of its lifetime to reform? Without taking that next step? In this world of bots and computer language and other technical jargon buzzwords like neural net processors and things like that? In a matter of seconds, a life can be gone. Can SOMETHING be done to ensure that people don't end up like I almost did, even just for that little split second as the world came crashing down, everything was meaningless, and I felt like taking the plunge? Even as, as I always have, and I always will, I snapped back and reminded myself why I continue to live, and it's in spite of these shitty feelings, it's in SPITE of all the people who cause me pain, it's in SPITE of ALL those people who call me a coward for not conforming to their ideals and or for MERELY FUCKING NOT PICKING A META ADC.... *breaking down crying talking about that last one* Such a LITTLE stupid thing that picks and picks and pick and PICKS AND PICKS AND PICKS AND PICKS AT YOUR BRAIN because it doesn't matter HOW MANY GAMES YOU PLAY people ALWAYS WANT YOU TO DIE because YOU WONT PICK A FUCKING META ADC. It STARTS the SPIRAL. Even though it's your best. Even though it's what you play for fun. Because this game is fun, Were all having fun here right? You're supposed to play what you enjoy to climb Right? RIGHT? THATS HOW I MADE GOLD I PLAYED THE F%%%ING THRESH INTO GOLD. Look, I get I'm being watched for even making this thread and ADMITTING TO ANYTHING because in this world and age we HAVE TO be on the lookout for those who might be hurting inside and to make sure they have help. For the sake of ANYONE who came as close to I did and DO ON A DAILY BASIS as part of a LOOPING CYCLE of mere EXISTENCE. But I'll survive. I know why I have to. I have purpose. It just takes some reminding sometimes. And its making sure AS MANY OF US survive as possible. It's a purpose I've had for a long time. It's what gets me up in the morning and drives my ideals. MY projects. What I will bring to this world to make sure we all move forward without needless loss of life. But IF this happens even ONCE more to some other person but they don't have the sense to bring up their experience, is it just another vague obituary in the newspaper? "Died from depression. Work and love life bleak. Played Video Games Alot" I will leave it at this, I can't think of anything more that
Ulanopo (NA)
: >I'm advocating this history be used to /warn a known positive player/ they are at risk. I think this is a solution in search of a problem. Very, very few people trigger the IFS even once. Of those people, more than half reform after a single punishment. The population you are attempting to service - people who are generally positive, yet toxic enough to be in danger of a ban - doesn't exist in any meaningful sense. Riot strongly prioritizes systems with the greatest impact. That's why they haven't put any effort into enhancing the part of the IFS that notifies you when someone you reported was banned. Additionally, I think you're not understanding my comment about how people react to punishments. Riot did away with warnings because adding punishment tiers didn't affect recidivism rates in a significant way. A warning, a chat restriction, a suspension, a CareBear ecard asking them to find their heart... They are all pretty equally effective. That's why the number of punishments is set to a specific number. It's also why the first two tiers are chat restrictions - they're designed to target a VERY specific thing and they can be skipped over with ease. Most of the more serious toxicity jumps directly to the 14-day "last chance" ban.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U9O0URx5,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-02-17T02:36:16.759+0000) > > I think this is a solution in search of a problem. Very, very few people trigger the IFS even once. Of those people, more than half reform after a single punishment. The population you are attempting to service - people who are generally positive, yet toxic enough to be in danger of a ban - doesn't exist in any meaningful sense. Riot strongly prioritizes systems with the greatest impact. That's why they haven't put any effort into enhancing the part of the IFS that notifies you when someone you reported was banned. > Given how deeply I was affected by this, I can't say it isn't an issue. I know for a fact if /I/ felt this strongly about recieving a penalty, someone else out there felt it even worse than I did and did something stupid. More can be done to support people on the edge. More can be done to provide feedback. More can be done to /reduce the number of penalties put forth/ in a way that still accomplishes reform. Even in that small population vacuum you refer to. > Additionally, I think you're not understanding my comment about how people react to punishments. Riot did away with warnings because adding punishment tiers didn't affect recidivism rates in a significant way. A warning, a chat restriction, a suspension, a CareBear ecard asking them to find their heart... They are all pretty equally effective. That's why the number of punishments is set to a specific number. It's also why the first two tiers are chat restrictions - they're designed to target a VERY specific thing and they can be skipped over with ease. Most of the more serious toxicity jumps directly to the 14-day "last chance" ban. And I'm not saying we should do away with the system as it stands. I'm saying we should add more layers of feedback to it. I'm saying clarity needs to be put forth. A suggestion that comes to mind is that the IFS should be adjusted to warn players they were close to a penalty... but I am NOT saying that the current threshhold needs to be highered (hired? autocorrect not giving me anything) or lowered. People need to KNOW if they came close, but didn't catch a penalty. People NEED feedback BEFORE their hearts are broken like mine almost got. Edit: or at least a way to get proper evaluation from an official source I ALWAYS expected I would get a warning /BEFORE/ a penalty, /because/ I've never had said penalty. I've seen the warning screen on streams. I know it exists. But one game is all it took to cross the line because of some bad things I said that sound really bad in context. Because I tried to explain my teams side. Because I defended my pick. It makes me believe that I've been flagged and the system has been WAITING to catch me with a linecrosser. And if that simply isn't the case, I have to take this at face value that while I engaged in toxic behavior(refer to other thread), what I said BEFORE it sealed my fate in a way that I just can't agree with. I would have liked to have known /on the card/ what exactly the penalty was for, as I can bring this to the forums all day and they can speculate all night but unless a Rioter walks in I'd be clueless as to what exact mistake I made(or if I was truly the victim of what I termed to be called "keywording")
: The punishment system and mental health
Is the system giving /enough/ feedback to people whether they are positive or negative?
Ulanopo (NA)
: >I feel like no actual weight is given to the individual in question: how often they get bullied by other laners, how often they offer constructive chat, how often they support other people getting bullied by others. How often they mute and move on. I don't think you're giving enough weight to the negative things people experience. If I'm in a game with someone being an absolute asshat, I don't really care about games in which that person _wasn't_ an asshat. I'm not in those games and that behavior - or, more likely, nothing more than a lack of negative behavior - doesn't change anything. Moreover, I don't think it's fair for the reward for positive behavior to be not being punished for negative behavior. Positive - or at least neutral - behavior should be the baseline expectation.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U9O0URx5,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-17T00:29:22.030+0000) > > Moreover, I don't think it's fair for the reward for positive behavior to be not being punished for negative behavior. Positive - or at least neutral - behavior should be the baseline expectation. btw if I don't address a statement, it's probably because I agree with it. as for this one, I don't think you're looking at it the right way. I'm not advocating using this history to /not punish/ people, I'm advocating this history be used to /warn a known positive player/ they are at risk. Someone who is shown TRYING to do right for a long history before being handed down the penalty
: The punishment system and mental health
Let's start simple, : What more could be done to warn people close to getting penalized? What does the system teach us about what we think we know about the rules and what we don't? Is a lack of penalty inadvertent positive reinforcement of problematic behaviors? Could "Soft Reform" cards be sent out before a penalty? Is a Penalty always needed?
: The punishment system and mental health
This is an emotional appeal to put the conversation in a different perspective, nothing more. I have related my personal experiences for emphasis, and I have never wished for a revocation of my penalty. I have support. You people do not have to worry about my physical well being (nor would I want you to) I feel like this conversation is always had in the context of "I crossed the line and this isn't fair" and never how penalties make people who are otherwise positive feel. And how the extreme margins of this subject can cause harm to real people
: You are not going to guilt riot into unbanning you. People not following the rules is their problem, and riot is not here to babysit them. Also, on the off-chance this is serious and not a guilt shitpost: look for professional help or advice, you wont find that here. Also, people dont like someone that constantly threaten suicide or overreact dramatically for insignificant shit. That can swiftly cause a feedback loop to the bottom of the depression pit.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=U9O0URx5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-16T21:32:46.814+0000) > > You are not going to guilt riot into unbanning you. People not following the rules is their problem, and riot is not here to babysit them. > > Also, on the off-chance this is serious and not a guilt shitpost: look for professional help or advice, you wont find that here. Also, people dont like someone that constantly threaten suicide or overreact dramatically for insignificant shit. That can swiftly cause a feedback loop to the bottom of the depression pit. 10 game restriction, not a ban, Just really fucking scared of even trying to play in the future And I feel like this an actual discussion that needs to be had. What is Riot doing to protect false positives or even track how healthy a persons play actually is. BEcause it sure feels like nothing. Thanks for that personal judgement. ARe you in my real life? Do you talk to me every day? Do you know how I act around my friends and other people? You do none of that. And you don't know how it feels to be this deep in depression either by the sounds of it.
Rioter Comments
: It's not "it can happen to you". It's "I brought this upon myself." The rules are very clear that being a toxic jerk will get you penalized. It doesn't matter the context, whether in chat or in game. How you act is entirely your fault and yours alone. Saying "it can happen to you" implies that you have no control over your own fate, when in fact, it was your decision that brought you here.
> [{quoted}](name=TiltoverEnforcer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wbtd3a7d,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-02-16T08:43:48.560+0000) > > It's not "it can happen to you". > > It's "I brought this upon myself." > > The rules are very clear that being a toxic jerk will get you penalized. It doesn't matter the context, whether in chat or in game. How you act is entirely your fault and yours alone. Saying "it can happen to you" implies that you have no control over your own fate, when in fact, it was your decision that brought you here. I'd agree with you if I weren't harassed every game and felt I have to say SOMETHING to defend myself or suffer worse penalties I'd agree with you if my chatlog didn't reek of keywords out of context. I'd agree with you if I weren't OCD/Paranoid schizophrenic(managed thank you very much or else I wouldn't be a free man in society) and afraid of anything I do at this point resulting in a ban(basically I can disregard thoughts but I can't make them go away) I'd agree with you if I didn't have a history of false accusations and punishments being handed down in real life causing me to self harm I'd agree with you if I were an actual asshole hard feeding every time I didn't get my way I'd agree with you if I didn't spend the utmost care every day to shot call because it's literally the only thing I can ever do to turn around people salting me for my picks I'd agree with you if said picks didn't result in my report almost EVERY game. I'd agree with you if I made a habit of being a prick every game. I'd agree with you... if you weren't just coming into this thread with a moral highground to stick your little soap box. I f%%%ing know it's my actions that caught this restriction. You think that's news? I'm disappointed, scared, and in physical pain because I don't agree with it. I'm disappointed, scared, and in physical pain because I feel someone/thing only read the beginning of my chatlog and pressed the button. I'm disappointed, scared, and in physical pain because these types of events always start a downward spiral for me. No one can tell me to "stop worrying about it" because of my mental problems. I don't have medication, as forays into medication have sent me down dark paths. The only thing that has ever been effective is a little green plant legal in several states that allows me to rally the voices in my brain to something more productive instead of being constant chaos all the time. I'm tired of living in a world where little mistakes can totally ruin you. I'm tired of living in a world where people keep trying to dictate how I can live my life. I'm tired of living in a world that teaches people to strike down and lash out at anyone they perceive to be an evildoer . Fucking hell, I'm tired of living, but every time I go to end it, I just get fucking angry and resolve to life in spite of everything that makes me feel pain. BUt it gets harder every time something like this happens. It gets harder every time Ihear a KYS when I'mm in a particularly dark spot. It gets harder trying to do anything productve that isn't drawing. I've resigned myself to the fact that Every Fucking DAy will be a struggle for me. I only ever feel like I'm a real person in video games. Like I have friends and matter to someone over the internet. It's the only time all the voices in my head band together for a common goal and stop pulling me in 50 different directions. If I didn't have the need to compete with others as a form of therapy, I could and would just move on and play a peaceful game like minecraft... This is the game I play because it doesn't{didn't} matter if others were judging me because I knew for every bad game I had I'd have another good one. Now I feel like all eyes are on me in a game and I can't handle it. It makes me cry. It makes me feel like I've lost something. A haven for my emotions . I feel the weight of my trollpicking, a weight I shouldn't feel because I have the right to play what I want, but I get reported every game I don't hard carry and win on my picks.
: Another "it can happen to you" Thread
Anyone know what it feels like to not feel welcome somewhere anymore?
: I have this feeling that when someone says in chat "I won't be punished" riot flags it for fun just to show you what's up.
> [{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wbtd3a7d,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-02-16T05:54:01.166+0000) > > I have this feeling that when someone says in chat "I won't be punished" riot flags it for fun just to show you what's up. Definitely having that feeling myself right now. But this whole situation. It makes you feel helpless. Knowing that at this point, a bad game could flag me as a feeder and send me further down the punishment ladder I don't like having to mute people, on the offchance that they shape up and say something productive. I dunno how many games it'll take to unlock my honor... but I've been having anxiety attacks all day. I know that I get reported every game I don't win, whether I chatted or not, because of my champion pick choices. At this point I feel like anything I do will result me getting pulled further downward. If I don't chat and have a bad game I'll be flagged as a feeder. If I do chat enough to defend my picks or my choices I'll be flagged as a salter. If I pull out my Lucian jokes as Thresh I'll be flagged for trash talk. I played this game to get away from having to overthink everything. Somethings changed this season. I've never seen things be this bad before.
: Reading this, I feel like just talking in chat about anything but what is strictly happening in the game, will get you banned. I already have my chat to the smallest UI size possible. I wish I can just remove it so I never have to worry about losing my honor level. I'm just not going to ever type lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Frôgen Yôzurt,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wbtd3a7d,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-16T03:15:30.162+0000) > > Reading this, I feel like just talking in chat about anything but what is strictly happening in the game, will get you banned. > > I already have my chat to the smallest UI size possible. I wish I can just remove it so I never have to worry about losing my honor level. I'm just not going to ever type lol. I'm just going to reiterate that by the time the game ended, my team was on my side. THe enemy team however, were going on about how we all deserved a report. I'm pretty sure anyone that awasn't the Darius walked away with a penalty on that game because we were telling the enemy team what morgana was doing vs how she was acting in all chat. I'm pretty sure someone or somebot saw me going on about how I've never had a penalty and assumed I was talking about doing anything I want
: Especially since this game is so minor that there is NO WAY it's the only chat log unless you're already on extreme ice.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wbtd3a7d,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-16T02:09:33.896+0000) > > Especially since this game is so minor that there is NO WAY it's the only chat log unless you're already on extreme ice. It's the only one on my reform card
: Another "it can happen to you" Thread
( . _.)b and I try to be polite with the hard curses while i"m here
Rioter Comments
: [Suggestion] Giving FeederBuster A Helping Hand With Reviewing Feeder Reports By Modified Tribunal
Given how many people on this board treat "inting" as "making any mistake you should have known about", I'm skeptical that the community would be good judges
: If you win with thresh adc a lot then you can win with thresh support easily. So just do that till you're gold. Or just play tristana
> [{quoted}](name=ShaolinToilet,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hrbAeq6E,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-15T06:13:52.941+0000) > > If you win with thresh adc a lot then you can win with thresh support easily. So just do that till you're gold. Or just play tristana No, thresh adc skills do not transfer to support thresh skills, trust me. You may land hooks, but actually tanking becomes a exercise in frustration. I hate tristana.
: Just get out of silver then do your Lulu and thresh adcs. Once you are out of silver people shouldn't troll as much
> [{quoted}](name=ShaolinToilet,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hrbAeq6E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-15T06:08:59.055+0000) > > Just get out of silver then do your Lulu and thresh adcs. Once you are out of silver people shouldn't troll as much ( . _.)b nice op.gg skills
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JayLeet (EUW)
: all of my teammates are flaming me, so I left the game, is it justified that i get banned for it?
I don't think this guy actually got banned.... I think he's asking if "it's justified [if] I get banned for it" If you can't handle it, by all means remove yourself from the situation, just uh.... don't make a habit of it. Do everything you can to complete the game. Show you are the bigger person. I've left maybe... 4-5 games total out of the hundreds I played because I couldn't handle the flame, and once I muted, couldn't handle the physical trolling. Sometimes you just need that breath. Always make sure to note in the chat log why it is you are leaving. Especially if you have anxiety or heart issues. But again... don't make a habit of it.
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Gavlerius (EUNE)
: The KYS "fever"
I've personally noticed people are calling for you to K%% or die in post game so that the bot doesn't catch them . This happen to anyone else?
: > [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MgA3uPvJ,comment-id=000100010000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-12T15:44:54.044+0000) > > No, they don't. If that's not a flat out lie, then you must have the worst case of confirmation bias in the history of biased information. I'm sorry, are you in my games? Are you queueing up with me? Do you have a wiretap on my phone and RATs on my computer watching my every move? No you don't. My playstyle angers you for no other reason than the champs I play. You've never seen me lane. You've never seen me close out a game. You've never seen me shift player opinion with a first blood and snowball. All you see is a champ that was built for another role and that triggers you. You are so determined to push your playstyle as "correct" and "the only one" that you see me as NOTHING but an enemy, a "malevolent spirit" Grow the fuck up. People are not inherently evil for wanting to play differently from you. They do not deserve to be harassed to the level I experience EVERY day. They do not deserve calls for them to K%%. They do not deserve to be banned because of a constantly shifting concept known as the "Meta" not confirming their strategy as "competitively viable" Again, You're bronze. I'm not much better. Silver. BEst I got was gold 5 and I didn't play the rest of the season to make SURE I got my ranked rewards. IF you took half a moment to examine your own play and make adjustments rather than worrying about mean old troll j4 support or whatever the hell you get in the next forum topic you bring to us, you would more often find a route to victory I started climbing once I stopped caring what other people thought of me. PErhaps your own problem is you are too concerned with what others are doing around you
> [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MgA3uPvJ,comment-id=00010001000000000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-13T21:28:01.868+0000) > > Goin on further: Do you know how it feels to constantly judge yourself? Do you know how it feels to have crippling depression? Do you know how it feels to wake up every day and not know whether or not you will do something that will end your life, whether it be by your own will or others? Do you know how it feels to be told, every day, what it is you are doing wrong in your REAL LIFE for no other reason than a difference in opinion with those who are providing you a place to stay? Do you know how it feels to want to harm, discredit, or even MURDER people who make you feeel like shit? Do you know what it feels like to fist fight your father? Do you know what it feels like to have talent that no one in your family appreciates? To have the fear to put yourself in the public eye due to harassment that comes from the sake of a differing opinion? To have a community you've made your home run you out for no other reason than they think you're ____ist? TO have hopes and dreams constantly out of reach due to factors that aren't always 100% in your control but enough of them are that you just feel like crap for not doing more for yourself? I'mma give you ONE FUCKING GUESS why I play league. Why I play video games. Why I compete in esports at this small level we all have fun in. To get away from that. To feel like I can do something. To feel like I found my niche. I play this game because Riot protects the ability of myself to play WHAT I WANT because it MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. Because THATS WHAT I NEED FROM THE GAME. And that's something I don't get in REAL LIFE
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