: There is no heaven. (in the lore)
Well, we did kind of actually know this before. Way back in during Azir's addition to the game, in the second trailer, Nasus narrates that Azir had been "called back from oblivion." This is, admittedly, somewhat different from the purgatory Mordekaiser describes, but yeah, seems there's not much to Runeterra's afterlife aside from darkness.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gold Light,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=T50BBnnN,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-15T23:19:13.431+0000) > > I'd say he's more a god of storms than a god of war; he just likes waging war a lot. I do agree, though, that Volibear's appeal has always been that he was a noble warrior who fought for his people and sought nothing more to ensure the future of the Ursine... But sadly, given what the Ursine have been turned into, it seems fairly obvious that Voli's gonna lose a fair bit of that characterization to instead become an egotistical monster that turns mortals into abominations for his own ends. He is both god of wars and storms
Except Pantheon is more like the god of war in this universe. I'd say it's less that Volibear is an actual war deity, and more-so like he's just the being that Freljordians pray to for favor in battle, like how Ornn wound up becoming the patron deity for blacksmiths; his actual affinity is primordial fire, but he uses that primarily for metalwork, so he's become symbolically associated with the forge.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: My hopes for Lissandra's future lore
I think her reveal trailer actually briefly shows what she currently looks like in her disguised form: https://youtu.be/Ub2aDubmG64?t=47 While that specific iteration of her lore may not be canon anymore, I don't see why the design can't.
Krabohod (NA)
: About Volibear rework
I'd say he's more a god of storms than a god of war; he just likes waging war a lot. I do agree, though, that Volibear's appeal has always been that he was a noble warrior who fought for his people and sought nothing more to ensure the future of the Ursine... But sadly, given what the Ursine have been turned into, it seems fairly obvious that Voli's gonna lose a fair bit of that characterization to instead become an egotistical monster that turns mortals into abominations for his own ends.
: > [{quoted}](name=Gold Light,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=INwRUJF1,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-04-06T20:46:22.297+0000) > > I really don't understand peoples' need for a Xerath VU. His design and his voice lines are fine? I mean, he's a blue energy man trapped in the remnants of a sarcophagus. What could you really even do to his design without changing it completely? Also all of his old lines still makes sense; they're mainly him bragging about his power and his superiority, which seems perfectly appropriate to me. > > Also, Azir is gathering people to his capital, trying to reestablish his empire. He needs people to fill in all the old empty homes and buildings, restart the city's economic and social structures, probably hire some architects to redesign some of the ancient architecture where need be. Azir is doing fine rebuilding city on his own, Sivir told us that. He can recreate past events and full architectonic state of edviorment from what we know. All what people know it that "Falcon Father offers shelter" - yeah, thats... a lot of info if you ask me. Heck! even people in Echoes in the Stone weren't sure what was happening and were to scared to get inside the capital, soo Azir is doing great right now! Or at least was last time we heard anything indirectly about him... Xerath on the other hand: Visual update would include animation updates and correcting his core/body animation soo it wouldnt look like minecraft alpha water, also actualy colloring sarcophagus on the inside. Making him look less awkward and lazily done in general. Voice: That's the problem. Everyone thinks he is this glowing magic boi who is powerhungry and thinks he is soo cool and shit. See, Xerath got into politics and is an emperor as well - of Nerimazeth - city with pretty dark history and also - his birthplace. He tried to gather Nasus under his banners in Ouroboros (in story Nasus makes him look like a dick with his perspective again by complitely avoiding telling what Raiders generally do for living but k). He was rebuilding the place and honestly what would be the point of his taunt: "You are Emperor of wasteland Azir" if he was rulling wasteland himself? Xerath is smart and calculating, not the type of person who just goes around and throws sassy comments at people and goes in when unsure: "You think i cant see whats happening with your body?"- Bloodline: he literally spared Nasus's life there. He doesnt want to anihilate. Its not his goal to show off. He want's to end what he started and do things right and current voice lines simply dont depict that. He, indeed, is hiper powerfull but thats not his main motive to be. His motives are get rid of the danger, which is Azir who is unlikely to accept his apology (yes, he regreted what he did) and freeing himself. Also, everyone's quotes are just dancing around him, avoiding the mention(?) I cant believe that Aurelion has nothing to say about him. All other ascended got taunts and he - the special snowflake - not a single word? Game changer went by undetected. Literally! Edit: Nerimazeth got demolished by Sunborn right after what he did to Azir in retaliation. Than Darkins were born from lack of leadership. How would they react? Would they even know it was him? Did Nasus spread the information on what even happened? Generally all champions from 2014 shurima update need some sort of minor story update placing all new plots and multiple point views soo we can get a bigger picture. Everyone is a MESS.
Alright, I'll admit that in-game he doesn't look as good as he could be, but the thing about Xerath's model is that he's basically just a particle effect; the only parts of him that are properly coded are his sarcophagus and the hands. Now, I have virtually no experience with 3D modeling and animation, but it feels like the only kind of update you could give him is maybe give him a different particle effect and, as you said, color the inside of the sarcophagus. As for Xerath's character: yes, you are right, he IS extremely cunning and extremely calculated. However you cannot forget that he is ALSO extremely arrogant. As of right now, he has no reason to consider anyone other than the other Ascended a threat, and even then, the best they could ever do was trap him... A plan which only half-worked to start with. Plus, I'd hardly call him 'sassy.' Xerath says fully what he means and believes when attacking and taunting his enemies: "It would take only a SPARK of my magic to end you," "I will be your undoing," and "Magic? I'll show you REAL magic" are just some examples. If you can provide me with a quote that you actually think feels out-of-character for him, then I would genuinely like to hear it. As for "emperor of a wasteland" line, it's not hard to figure out. Azir is trying to bring back an empire which as already crumbled to dust and restart an age that ended a long time ago. To me, I've always read that line as "your empire is gone and wasteland has taken its place; therefore, you are the emperor of a wasteland." Xerath, on the other hand, isn't trying to rebuild anything. He's using Nerimazeth as his capital, sure, but as his bio states, he aims to reshape the world in his own image, creating a new empire to replace all the old ones rather than trying to salvage something that's already dead. Lastly, yes, I will absolutely agree with you. It does annoy me how more people don't acknowledge Xerath. The Darkin ABSOLUTELY should given that he's the one who indirectly started their war. Someone like Aurelion Sol should definitely take more notice of a living energy being than a barbarian's "impressive" sword or a pirate's outfit.
: I would really love to see how Xerath is doing... and also see his visual and sound update. His quotes, except of these from shurima event and taunts, are 5 years outdated. :,/ Also what the hell is Azir doing in this capital?? Noone except of sivir ever saw him.
I really don't understand peoples' need for a Xerath VU. His design and his voice lines are fine? I mean, he's a blue energy man trapped in the remnants of a sarcophagus. What could you really even do to his design without changing it completely? Also all of his old lines still makes sense; they're mainly him bragging about his power and his superiority, which seems perfectly appropriate to me. Also, Azir is gathering people to his capital, trying to reestablish his empire. He needs people to fill in all the old empty homes and buildings, restart the city's economic and social structures, probably hire some architects to redesign some of the ancient architecture where need be.
: Maokai, he was created to be from Zaun, not the Shadow Isles. ... also: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8AspKoPQCgk/hqdefault.jpg
Um... Maokai was always from the Shadow Isles. Hell in his first lore he was a tree from the Twisted Treeline.
: If you could revert a champion lore update who would it be?
Thresh. I seriously hate what they did to his character. He went from being a sadistic jailer who tortures and abuses inmates to the point of driving them insane, to just... He tortures 'living' relics. He scratched a mirror. He read words out of a book and then didn't finish sentences. Not to mention the fact that he got away with it purely because the monks of the Blessed Isles were too creeped out by him to conduct a proper investigation, EVEN THOUGH they suspected something was off. Like... Really? Nevermind the fact that he also have no context for the relics in question, like why a mirror has a soul inside it to begin with. Given what his idea of 'torture' is during life, it makes it harder to take him seriously as sadistic wraith.
: Azir vs Noxus
I feel like one has to consider the fact that Azir is already in a war against Xerath. Granted, that conflict is currently at something of a standstill as far as we know, but if Xerath sees another army coming in from the north to attack Azir, he's probably the sort of character to capitalize on such an occurrence. He might force Azir into having to fight on two fronts, or he might even decide to take some of Noxus's soldiers for himself, since we know he can apparently mind-control a whole armor (seen in the Bloodlines story.) As it stands, Noxus would probably just serve as more of a nuisance for Azir, but one that his real enemies could take advantage of. If Azir were leading a united Shurima, though... Then yeah, Noxus gets stomped.
: As far as I know, Bard is a celestial being, like Aurelion Sol and Soraka. And he seems to be fairly high on the power scale. I wonder what meeps are exactly, tho.
I always thought the meeps were spirits. Either that, or just smaller manifestation of Bard, since we know the doll thing he moves around in is more like a puppet than anything.
Sir Tom (EUW)
: What even is Olaf atm?
...He's a berserker, aka an actual type of viking warrior that historically existed. He's able to power through pain and even some forms of lethal wounds on pure adrenaline alone. He's similar to Tryndamere, in that respect, but his anger mode isn't supernatural and so he can't magically regenerate from his wounds. He really is just an angry guy who's really strong, and frankly, I like that we still have human characters who don't need some form of immortality to be badass. Yeah, in the grand scheme of the plot, he's just a nobody, but you can say that about a lot of characters. Katarina's just an assassin. Quinn is just a scout. Olaf's just a warrior who seeks honorable death in combat because that's what his culture believes in.
: #Loreworms How many forms of ascention and corruption exist in Runeterra?
Technically speaking, in League's lore, the only ones who are really, truly 'Ascended' are the Shurimans who stood in the light of the Sun Disc, channeling cosmic power into themselves and mutating in the process. Furthermore, trying to steal Ascension doesn't exactly 'corrupt' you. Xerath is the way he is because he kept the ritual going for longer than it was supposed to and wound up absorbing SO much magic from the Sun Disc that he transcended his physical form altogether and wound up destroying a city. If anything, he's a super-buffed Ascendant. THAT SAID, we DO know that you can fail an Ascension ritual and become a baccai; a sort of malformed abomination. That can count as a form of corruption.
: Which one rework do you personally find to be the best one yet. (In anyway except gameplay)
I'm a huge fan of Sejuani's rework. Not only did she get an actual badass design in place of her "fur bikini warrior" deal, her lore updates have been consistently pretty great all-around.
: This is just my opinion
I completely agree. There are a lot of characters that could benefit from new voice lines, but I don't feel like Riot would put in the time or effort to update base Anivia's voice without making some sort of other substantial change. Personally, I'd be fine with that, but it's just not how they role. New voice clips have always been a package deal with redesigns, be they full VU's or just alt. skins. With so many champions still in desperate need of a complete overhaul (Mordekaiser, Fiddlesticks, Mundo, etc.) I just don't get the feeling Riot would wanna stop and devote a project JUST to voice-lines, though I agree it could be very beneficial for Anivia and other characters like her.
Jaspers (EUW)
: I can see that but I like the idea of those who are truely strong or powerful being given more reserved guise. Dragon is overstated, powerful and large. Owl is known for being wise, intuitive and having good awareness. He as the most powerful didn't attend the meeting that would result is their demise, was seemingly the most powerful so may have learned more than the others etc. Of course, what he is now, a murdering nutjob, maybe dragon is more fitting.
I don't think there was anything particularly reserved about Aatrox. His bio states that his wings were like "the golden light of the dawn," and we can even still see hints of his former nature in his current state. Aatrox was and still is proud of who he once was. Besides, you'll note that warrior Ascendants typically get the more fearsome beasts as their forms; Renekton was a crocodile, Cebotaru was a wolf, and so-on. Meanwhile, the Ascended who are less combat-oriented seem to get the more subtle creatures. Shabaka and Shabake, the ravens, were seers. Naganeka was a snake, and while we don't fully know what her talents were, she didn't seem the type to willingly charge onto the battlefield. But, again, it's not officially stated anywhere what exactly Aatrox looked like before, so if you wanna go with an owl, sure, be my guest.
zounet (EUW)
: Ezreal: Updated Bio Who needs a map when you've got the gauntlet of a god-warrior? from https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/creative-spotlight/patch-notes-lore-edition
Ah, thanks! I'll need to update the list later to include Ne'Zhuk then :P
Jaspers (EUW)
: Nice list, are we allowed to assume that Aatrox's form before he butchered himself with blood magic was that of a horned owl? He was said to have wings and horns after all.
I mean, again, the fact that he was a dragon is more a common fan-theory than anything. I've seen others saying it's a bat, so... Sure. Horned owl. Why not? Personally, I just like the idea that there would be some Ascended based off of fictional creatures in Runeterra, because all the ones we know for certain are based on real-world animals. Imagine a ralsiji Ascendant...
: Nice list, though I would say it's not really for someone that just began to get into the lore, but rather an advanced lesson. Btw, would you like to join our [lore discord](http://discord.gg/wxRnKet) to chat with people like you?
Well my friend has been reading through the Shurima lore since they've got a thing for Egyptian mythology, and they kind of got confused as to who really counted as Ascended (they thought Cassiopeia and Rammus were Ascended, for example.) I made the list to try and clarify things. As for Discord, I'll think it over. Thanks for the offer!
zounet (EUW)
: Very well done but I think you forgot Ne'zuk, who had the ezreal glove
Was it ever actually confirmed that Ne'Zuk was an Ascendant? I admit that he did slip my mind when I made this, but I don't recall if it's explicitly stated anywhere in the lore.
Rioter Comments
Mafros (NA)
: Some thoughts on Kayle's lore and personality.
YES. It's so nice to see someone who gets it. Kayle's not evil, but we don't really get to SEE things from her side properly. We don't get any explicit information or instances where her judgement actually seems legitimate. We don't know what level of "injustice" is high enough to warrant her intervention, so it just seems like she wants to kill anyone and everyone who breaks even the slightest rules. Morgana, meanwhile, isn't given the proper development she needs by showing us how harmful her actions can be. Hopefully we can get a short story/comic somewhere down the line that fixes this.
: Kayle Rework, yet another "Light is actually totalitarian and evil" angle.
http://ask-riven.tumblr.com/post/182924139078/angels-kayle-and-morgana I sincerely advise you read over this.
MeilinII (NA)
: I don't think it's so much as one accepts and another rejects. I think it's more "Chaotic Good" vs "Lawful Good." Kayle is lawful good, all laws are just and rulebreakers must be punished. To her, that's justice. Morgana is more "Chaotic" or neutral Good, where justice is important but human laws can be flawed, and it's important to fight against the unjust laws for the sake of true justice. I think this makes Morgana really resonate with me even more than before, because I know that struggle.
I agree with the Chaotic Good vs Lawful Good assessment, but consider this line: "Morgana’s wings became an inescapable reminder of her pain. She tried to cut them from her flesh, but could find no blade strong enough. Instead, she bound them with iron chains, resolving instead to walk the world of mortals." She tried to remove the celestial part of herself and opted to just never use them when she couldn't. That feels like she's at least somewhat rejecting the Aspect inside of her to me.
: So what exactly are Kayle and Morgana ?
Their mother was chosen to become the Aspect of Justice when she was pregnant. As such, her children were both chosen to embody the same Aspect when the time came for it to choose a new mortal vessel. Touching the sword caused the Aspect's power to awaken within them, much like how Atreus (Pantheon) became the Aspect of War when he accepted the spear. We're not sure what happened to the mom (probably died off-screen) but Kayle and Morgana are both just Aspects now, albeit one embraces the role and the other rejects it. The wings are weird though. I guess because they were already semi-celestial/divine when they were born, it caused them to undergo like a lesser version of Shuriman Ascension? Still trying to figure that one out, admittedly.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Gold Light,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AdgveEiF,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-01-22T22:47:47.004+0000) > > There are some holes in your comment. Firstly, the Riven scene can't be in her past, because Draven tosses the broken blade to her. It wouldn't be shattered unless this is after the initial invasion of Ionia. Furthermore, Sion was released after Swain came to power. Darkwill tried to hide the Undead Juggernaut in his own memorial after failing to control him, but Swain chose to let him out recently; thus, he could only have been freed after the initial Invasion of Ionia, since that's when Swain came to power. > > In addition to this, there is no battle in which Yasuo, Kennen, Karma, Irelia, and Akali were all present. Irelia made her grand stand at the Placidium, which is what inspired Yasuo to abandon his post, but he never actually got to fight: "But he found no battle—only a raw grave for hundreds of Noxian and Ionian corpses. Something terrible and unnatural had happened here, something that no single blade could have stopped. The land itself seemed tainted by it." Yasuo's mistake took place after the Battle of the Placidium, and he spent years wandering and being hunted until finally being proven innocent in his short story with Riven. > > In conclusion, all of this HAS to be happening relatively recently. Although you are indeed right in some points, my Sion point still stands though. You said that this happened recently but you also said that Yasuo wandered for years until he was proven innocent, which happened recently. Meaning, it's already been a couple years since the invasion happened and Swain was already in power and freed Sion.
Yeah. What I'm getting from all of this is that Swain is deciding to wage a second campaign in Ionia, this time sending Sion and somehow capturing Riven in the process. The only question is why he'd even bother, given that the initial war was just Darkwill being manipulated by the Black Rose, as I recall.
: Jhin is on the loose and in his release cinematic, we know he would like too assassinate Vi. Assassinating a famous police enforcer could distabilize Piltover and would be good for Zaun's illegal activities, therefore Camille, with her connections whats to stop Jhin before he does anything. This is happening on the present. Around 70% that it could be canon. Riven comes from Noxus but we don't know much about her origins. She may have had prove her strength in the fight against Draven and that's why she became a general later on. This of course, happened in the past, before the Ionia invasion. This happened in the past. Around 85% that it could be canon. While we don't know when was Sion ressurected, it may have been very well around the Ionia invasion. We know that most Ionia champions participated in war in a form or another, with Irelia probably being the most important figure here. This could have also been the moment where Yasuo leaves his post to help out some Ionians, getting the people he was supposed to protect killed. Shen is missing but he could have very well been fighting in another front. (Personally, I would have prefered that it would be Shen shielding and teleporting to Irelia, bringing his ninja friends sou we could see the Kinkou thogether. Also, both Irelia and Karma dislike each other stances on the war, so it's weird seeing Karma helping Irelia. Not that she wouldn't help a fellow ionian in need but still, weird choice.) This also happens before Akali leaving the Kinkou. This, of course, happened in the recent past. Around 99% of being canon.
There are some holes in your comment. Firstly, the Riven scene can't be in her past, because Draven tosses the broken blade to her. It wouldn't be shattered unless this is after the initial invasion of Ionia. Furthermore, Sion was released after Swain came to power. Darkwill tried to hide the Undead Juggernaut in his own memorial after failing to control him, but Swain chose to let him out recently; thus, he could only have been freed after the initial Invasion of Ionia, since that's when Swain came to power. In addition to this, there is no battle in which Yasuo, Kennen, Karma, Irelia, and Akali were all present. Irelia made her grand stand at the Placidium, which is what inspired Yasuo to abandon his post, but he never actually got to fight: "But he found no battle—only a raw grave for hundreds of Noxian and Ionian corpses. Something terrible and unnatural had happened here, something that no single blade could have stopped. The land itself seemed tainted by it." Yasuo's mistake took place after the Battle of the Placidium, and he spent years wandering and being hunted until finally being proven innocent in his short story with Riven. In conclusion, all of this HAS to be happening relatively recently.
: Neeko Lore Questions
A YouTuber known as Necrit some interesting points on this matter. https://youtu.be/C0oEvk8znAE?t=100
SSmotzer (NA)
: Well, she's more spirit than human. She wouldn't have a biology to worry about, and her size would only be limited by the amount of magic around her. She probably can't get too small, because too much magic in such a small amount of space would be dangerous. People keep going on and on about her being a lesbian, when she isn't. She is like a Ditto in Pokemon, no sex but can reproduce with anything. The only reason she looks the way she does is because she mimics things she likes, so she mimicked Nidalee's body, her allies, a flower, even Gromp's throat bulge. Reproduction for Neeko might just be as simple as wanting to be two things.
First of all, just because she's MORE spiritually inclined doesn't mean she is one completely. She still possesses a physical body, even if she can alter and reshape that body at a whim. I also don't know where you got the idea that her power is limited only by the amount of magic around her, since I don't see anything saying as much in the lore. Second, I really don't want to get into the topic of her sexuality, since like you said, everyone is talking about it, and I wanted to discuss an aspect of her actual lore. However... The creator behind this champion, Matt Dunn, flat-out SAID that Neeko is a lesbian. She IS female, and unlike a Ditto, we know she can't take on another form indefinitely. Not only is Neeko unable to maintain her bird form when she's fleeing the destruction of her island, hence why she falls into the ocean, but she also has a quote in-game when mimicking female characters: "Neeko wishes she could be like this forever." Neeko is a female and does have a default form that she reverts back to after a time, and she is romantically inclined towards women. Neeko is a lesbian, regardless of who and what she can mate with... Which I suppose is a lore question all its own.
Rioter Comments
: Tell me your favourite champion, why, and how you want Riot to develop their lore.
{{champion:101}} Obviously, there aren't TOO many directions you can go with someone like Xerath. His arc heavily leans on his rivalry with Azir, so the only real way to proceed with his story is to have the two either fight or somehow make amends (unlikely as that is.) However, I do feel like there's a lot of potential to develop before then. We know Xerath has his own subjects now and he's working to build his own empire. We also know that he's hunting for Sivir, as well as probably looking for a way to shatter the sarcophagus binding him. Plus, I'd like to imagine he spends at least some of his time trying to learn about how the world has changed during his imprisonment in the tomb. I think there are a lot of stories you can tell with Xerath, but I imagine it might be a while before Riot comes back to him.
Zoli Ben (EUNE)
: So, canon skins are a thing now
Would Void Fizz count? I mean, obviously it's unlikely that he WOULD ever get corrupted by the Void in the lore, but it does sort of existence as a "what-if" scenario in the main universe.
: Over the course of 3000 years, why hasn't Jax reformed an army to fight the void by now?
It's fairly simple, actually. Not just anyone can fight the Void. Shurima had to assemble an army of demigods leading legions of ordinary soldiers to fight back the Void, and suffered heavy losses, both human and Ascended. Just LOOKING at the Void drives anyone without a strong will completely mad. I think he's less concerned about making an army to fight the Void and more-so just trying to consistently assess what the current odds of surviving it are.
: You give Aatrox props on his main merit: that his character makes him more than the generic bloodthirsty warlord and then immediately turn it into a dick measuring contest about who is the "strongest" in League all the while voicing your displeasure about how he should be stronger for the character to "work". That's not the point though... The whole point is that he's more (or in this case LESS) than that. He's a so called "god" that is humbled and humanized by his flaws. I think a big theme in League is the following question: What is it that makes a god a god? Power? Influence? A loyal congregation of worshippers? The Ascended were "gods" but their Empire collapsed and they all gave into their baser human instincts. The Ascended never really stopped being human when they walked off the Sun DIsc dais. Despite all of their power the trappings of humanity remained. Cruelty, arrogance and greed. The Freljordian Demi "gods" are really nothing more than powerful primal spirits, they are just venerated and labelled as so by the people who want to impose qualities on them that they would like to feel themselves. Ornn is industrious, Volibear is powerful, Anivia is free. The Aspects are essentially puppets for beings that aren't "gods" themselves, but outside manipulators playing at god with their meddlings in Runeterra. Enabling pointless religious persecution and suicidal pilgrimages to the peak of the mountain that are fruitless and unfounded. Is Aurelion Sol REALLY a god? He's a celestial dragon that's for sure, but he still managed to get mind-controlled by beings that were not even his creations, but unintended side-effects of his beloved stars all because he thought himself infallible and his arrogance made him vulnerable. The point of Aatrox isn't to prove how much of a god he is, that runs counter to the message League writers are trying to tell us. The point of Aatrox is to show us how HUMAN he is. His voicelines and various moods cover a large gambit of emotions to convey that. * Frustration at his probably inescapable predicament that feeds into a victim mentality. * The release he feels when he uses battle as an escape. * Extremely sociopathic threats that he uses to label himself a villain that are overcompensations for the fact that he laments not being the hero he was. * Deep melancholy that gives way to suicide thoughts * Self-loathing and body shaming He doesn't read like a god-warrior but like someone diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. That's why he's so great. League doesn't need more unstoppable forces of nature that give the player similar power fantasies. Aatrox is about DISEMPOWERMENT. So no dude, Aatrox probably can't destroy the world, he doesn't have an actionable plan on how to do that. Furthermore even if he could HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD EVEN WORK. He could be trapped in the sword anyways or caught in limbo for eternity. I think even Aatrox himself knows in the back of his mind that what he's attempting to do is probably impossible. But what is the alternative? Waking up everyday to acknowledge that it's hopeless, giving up in spirit, but trapped in a body that still goes on? Aatroxs' plan to destroy the world is just a COPING MECHANISM. A way for a helpless man to assert that he has some control over his fate. But that's why he is in my opinion the best written character in the game.
Alright... I feel like you're very-much missing the point of what I'm trying to get at with this entire post. First and foremost, the topic of gods and what it means to be gods in League is heavily subjective, yes. People in Runeterra tend to worship any being they see as immortal and far more powerful than they are (as we see in Vlad's story.) However, if we're talking the actual cosmology of League, I feel like the hierarchy is pretty heavily and obviously based off of Greek mythology. * Sol and the star dragons are titans. Older than the current gods, and all things considered, more powerful, but were undone primarily because they were outwitted (as we see with Sol's crown.) * The Targonian Aspects are the equivalents of gods. They reign over/embody various, well, ASPECTS of the universe: day, night, change, war, and protection (as well as maybe travel, based on Ezreal's field notes?) They live in a hidden realm that can only be accessed from atop a mountain (*cough*Olympus*cough*) and have established a powerful empire throughout the cosmos. The only downside is that they seemingly need mortal vessels to interact with the physical world, but hey, how many times did the Greek gods descend from Olympus disguised as mortals? * Ornn, Volibear, and Anivia are lesser deities. They're bound to the planet they spawned from, rather than the cosmos itself, and control the elements of Runeterra, rather than universal concepts. * The Ascended are demi-gods; they have celestial power and knowledge, but as you said, they are still ultimately, partially mortal. Now, with that out of the way, let's discuss your claims about Aatrox himself. First and foremost, I highly disagree with the feeling about dis-empowerment. Aatrox does not play nor feel "disempowered" in-game. He feels like a ferocious, merciless, and totally capable sword-wielding behemoth. His design, his walk animation, his voice lines... All of them are meant to make you feel like an unstoppable herald of Armageddon, murdering anyone and everyone in your quest to bring total oblivion to all. He's SUPPOSED to be intimidating, even if I still don't much care for his current in-game kit. On the topic of a coping mechanism, yes, perhaps that does work on a psychological level... But even assuming that's what Riot is going for (which I don't think it is), it doesn't work not at all from a narrative one. Let's say that Aatrox doesn't have a way to destroy the world. Let's say that he really is powerless against his fate. What are you supposed to do with that? Where can he go? How can he develop? Aatrox's only possible paths moving forward are: A. Continue blindly down a path to try and complete a goal he can never achieve forever. B. Give in, like you said, and accept that he's eternally broken and helpless. By leaning more into the god-killer Aspect, I feel like you can not only hit all the same story beats and retain more-or-less everything Aatrox is now, but also give him a clearer, more realistic goal to strive for. After-all, the Aspects of Targon were the ones that imprisoned him, so it makes sense that they could be the key to undoing his curse, just as they undid the Ascension of his brethren in Twilight of the Gods. By fighting and absorbing the essence of lesser 'deities,' Aatrox hopes that he can acquire enough power to reach Targon himself, and either undo his imprisonment, or at the very least, make the Aspects suffer just as he has.
: Since Kayle and Morgana are apparently going to become affiliated Targon...
Based on Aatrox's quotes, I feel like it's more likely they'll be some form of Ascendant, rather than Aspects.
: Compared to {{champion:136}} almost every other character lacks the firepower. I'd argue {{champion:203}} is incapable of killing {{champion:266}}, because he is incapable of death, they cannot take his soul from the sword. Similarly with the Void, if we assume the Void does not corrupt inanimate objects hence the Darkin are immune to Void corruption then siding with them would be pointless, because he'll be left alone once all living things are consumed by the Void and what Aatrox wants is death. When Aatrox refers to all of existence I believe he is in fact referring to just Runeterra. Only the Targonians and Aurelion are aware of extraterrestrial life I believe. I think Aatrox is capable of ending the world, while he is not {{champion:101}} and its not blatantly stated in his lore about how powerful he is, theoretically he could reach those power levels of destruction. Imagine what would happen if a Darkin got an Aspect or an Ascended as a host, instant access to celestial powers, and from there continuously steal power, imagine Aatrox stealing enough power to become an Aspect himself or to reach Xerath's level. Just as you suggested with the demi-gods, however instead of being contempt with regaining his godhood he seeks to use it to end Runeterra. Not just anyone would be capable of this feat. This is where the threat of Aatrox lies, Ta'anari literally proposed to the Darkin that they should have stormed Targon and stole the power for themselves in Twilight of the gods. Something to take into perspective as well, Aatrox wants to die and if it takes the entire planet he will do so, hence you have characters like {{champion:23}} who are either meant to become future hosts or opponents Aatrox hopes will find a way to kill him.
...So while I admit you raise some decent points, I think you're contradicting yourself a little. You say that only the Targonians and celestials like Sol know of other life in the cosmos, but as you yourself mentioned, the Ascended know of Targon's true nature. Besides, it doesn't matter if he knows about the other life in the cosmos or not: it is pretty clear that Aatrox does want to destroy the ENTIRE universe, and not just Runeterra, based on his quotes: "All that lives, I will end!" "I must destroy even hope." "Once in noble battle, I screamed against the silence. I stood as light against the darkness. Now, I serve a new master... oblivion..." "I do not obey! I cannot lay down! I will be the ender of all things!" "Yes Sion! I kill even that which will not die! I end all things!" His bio literally says he wants to "drive **all of creation** into a final, apocalyptic battle." Another thing to consider in your argument: would it even be POSSIBLE for Aatrox to take an Ascendant or Aspect as his host? He's able to crush the minds of mortals in an instant, but I feel like those with celestial power flowing through them could probably resist his corruption. Even if he could get that power, though, Ta'anari says that ALL of the Ascended should have stormed the celestial gates; Aatrox is currently trying to end the universe himself, and in a weakened state, no less. Lastly, Aatrox isn't trying to make future opponents for himself. He JUST wants Tryndamere as a host; it's unlikely that a human, no matter how strong they are, could even shatter his sword when he's been trying and failing to for ages.
drash79 (NA)
: What role does the House of Laurent play in Demacia?
It's likely that the Laurents are simply a wealthy and influential family; maybe not big in a political sense, but they've risen high enough in society to have made some major connections in court. I don't think Fiora is a baroness or a countess... MAYBE a viscountess, if we're to assume Demacia would have such a role.
: Imagine how awesome Nocturne will be when he gets his VGU
Personally, I'd change the red to blue (like in the third image you posted) and remove some of the spikes and tendrils in his back. I love the direction they were going for, but I legit thought those were like, some kind of hextech tubes and wires at first glance. The design of the arm blades looks rad, though.
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: How does Aatrox have anything to do with Tryndamere anymore?
The thing to remember is that Aatrox is searching for someone worthy to be a perfect host. An issue that he has which the other Darkin don't seem to is that his own power is too much for most mortals to even handle, and so his host bodies are constantly decaying/falling apart. His lore states how he's even intentionally "groomed" hosts over the centuries that he could claim as more stable vessels; Tryndamere is, as he said, "just flesh ready for harvesting." I will agree that the dynamic worked a lot better in Aatrox's old lore, but the connection is there, at least.
: Whens Kassadin gonna get a visual update?
I doubt that a VU would change too much about him, honestly, though I DO feel like they could stand to update the design of the Nether Blade, and give him some armor since his short story describes him as wearing it.
Rasta (EUNE)
: League of Facts #1
You forgot to mention that {{champion:91}} is also a part of that family.
: The thing is that the Darkins themselves don't have a common trait. The real Aatrox actually looks like his ~~Arclight~~ Justicar skin, his demonic appearance as base skin is because of him using the flesh and bones of his victims while Rhaast looks exactly like that. Most of the Darkins have either kept the animalistic form or used a pletora of different magics to alter their look as they saw fit, there is no distinctive physical trait except the relationship with their weapon (if they were captured).
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that his Justicar (not Arclight) skin is NOT what he looked like before. The lore even says that he used to have golden wings; Justicar's are blue.
: Champions that will never defeat their rival
I think it's unlikely we'll see most, if any rivalries ever properly conclude, simply because so many characters revolve around them. The closest we've ever had was TF and Graves reconciling. For the most part, though, it's a simple matter of fact that I just don't think Riot wants to risk killing off anyone's favorite champ. The one time they tried that was Gangplank, and I think most of us called it being a fake-out (which, of course, it was.) But for the sake of actually answering your question... I do find the Xerath and Azir rivalry one of the most interesting, because it literally comes down to circumstance. It's been confirmed that if they fought near the capital, Azir would win, while Xerath would come out on top anywhere else. This implies that Azir draws power directly from the Sun Disc, and so whoever wins in that scenario depends on if Xerath tries to lure Azir away from the city. I feel like Kayn and Rhaast are a similar situation, since we know one of them will eventually have to kill the other for control of Kayn's body, but whether Shadow Assassin or Darkin wins is likely going to be up in the air for a long time to come. Both rivalries kind of leave you wanting to see both outcomes happen, though IDK if Riot would ever be willing to write-out those "what-if" scenarios.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AFE3RBui,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T18:24:37.838+0000) > > I dont have the source, but as far as i remember, a member of Riot mentioned that Ascention and Aspects are the same.... i think that it was mentioned in the QaA of Aatrox but i might be wrong. That is what Gold Light is talking about. I know what you're talking about, that was on the forums, but that Rioter stated that Ascended become embodiments of celestial ideas - while the Aspects merely bond with the idea in a symbiosis. So they're in essence mortals gaining celestial powers through the connection with the cosmos, and in that sense, both are the same. However, the Aspects have their climb of Targon and selection by the Aspects to be their avatars as their way of becoming god beings. The Ascended have their Ascension rituals by channeling celestial power through the sun disc as their way of becoming god beings. So their processes are different, but the result is almost the same. So that said, Ascension is exclusive to Shurima. We have not been told that there is any other kind of ritual for gaining celestial power outside of being selected by an Aspect at the top of Targon or going through a Shuriman Ascension ritual. You cannot simply call what the Targonian Aspects do "Ascension" because it's not the same thing - Gold Light implied that they're called the same thing, which they are not. There at current is no generalized term for becoming a cosmically infused being that encapsulates the Aspects and the Ascended.
Oh believe me, I actually agree with you on that. The Ascended and the Aspects use similar means, but there's still a clear distinction between the two in terms of the lore. However, and I was indeed referring to that Rioter post, it seems that Riot's lore team is content to just throw them all together under the same roof, based on that response. That said, we DO know from Ezreal's field notes (and even Aurelion Sol's color story) that there's more than one Sun Disc. The only other one we currently know of is the prototype in Nerimazeth, but it DOES lead to some possibilities of others being dotted around the world, or even the cosmos.
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AFE3RBui,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-12T16:03:00.356+0000) > > Riot has confirmed that Kayles ascension is not from shurima. I was under the impression that they only confirmed that non-Shuriman natives could also become Ascended. I don't believe I've ever seen any confirmation that an Ascension ritual has occurred in any region other than Shurima.
Well, for one, it's all but confirmed that Shurimans learned Ascension from Targon. The difference is that Targonian Ascended (better known as and referred to as Aspects) gain their power directly from the deities that live on top of the mountain, acting as avatars for them. The process of Shuriman Ascension seems to be more akin to just dumping celestial energy on yourself via the Sun Disc and letting it mutate you into either an Ascended or (if you fail) a baccai. Either way, Ascension basically just seems to be the process of harnessing cosmic power to become a demigod of sorts. So far, Targon and Shuriman are the only nations capable of doing that.
: League's story has evolved in such a way that it allows for all sorts of unique concepts as champion
I seem to recall a lore-nod to Omen some time ago. The monsters Diana fights in her story were vaguely similar to him, if I recall.
Rioter Comments
: Which champs would Ryze take as an apprentice?
Maybe Annie? On one hand you'd think he wouldn't want another fire-wielding apprentice after Kegan, but on the other hand, it might be a good idea to ensure that Annie has some proper guidance in her early years, so as to ensure that she doesn't grow up to be like him.
darkdill (NA)
: Which voice actors do you think need to be added to League at some point?
I'd love to Jamieson Price in the game. He voices Iskander in Fate/Zero, Dhurke in the Ace Attorney series, Ancient King in One-Punch Man, and even Tarkus in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. The dude's got a frankly legendary voice and I think he'd be a perfect fit for someone in League... Hell, I could totally see him fitting into the role of a high-ranking Demacian of some kind.
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