Leylania (EUW)
: Where did I flame you? It is harassment if you like it or not doesn't matter. if you think your ban was not justified feel free to argue with the support about it.
It's not harassment, you need to look into what real harassment is and not your fairy tale soft skinned take offense to everything attitude. I've already been confirmed from support it wasn't harassment, because some people have common sense.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EGlAbwZ9,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-02T23:31:07.528+0000) > > If Riot is going to continue to allow trolls to take down passionate competitive gamers with them, they will very shortly, as they're already feeling, see a large decline in interest in their game of a good gamer base. That's why this community is now stuck with raging kids, whom they feel obligated to protect. For the amount of oversight they have on mild text, that would only offend people that are offended by everything and nothing, and giving out bans for it... It's really old. People waste hours of others lives with actions in game, and they ban the passionate competitive players that are actually trying to play and win. One of the softest communities out there, and the language restrictions are way too oversighted on mild things. Make people take some actions, you make a mute button, but ban people for as little as calling an actionable griefer a troll..... Get your priorities straight. You've clearly never played sports. If I'd said any of the "mild" things you say people get banned for, I would have been booted from the team.
I play hockey, we're not soft and take offense to minor things like this community, and when someone griefs, they pay the price.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cKfWQYLG,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-02T23:35:54.529+0000) > > I never once called anyone dumb, so you didn't read it. > > And what I was communicating was the play that occurred. How do you communicate with team on events in game if you can't say. "get off gromp and come kill the guy top lane with 50hp" Without Harassing them?!?!?! > > Please quote whatever you thought was "passive aggressive" > > Which is really funny because this community is so soft it has to go down to passive aggressive for bans? > Meanwhile I have 4 teammates in base dancing, but that's fine right? > Shame on me for even mentioning it! Get real Read, you flamed becuz you’re a filthy liar
I didn't see the quote. but thanks for the negative attitude.
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gcZzIE4m,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-02T23:12:30.539+0000) > > It's been the biggest issue from season 2... what season are we in now? They can find a way to balance 150 champs, but in almost 10 years can't find a way to target actionable griefers Here's the thing though: trolls and feeders have gotten smarter over the years with how they avoid detection. Just like with scammers and hackers once you figure out and stop one way they look for another way to do it and try to get away with it. It's a constant never ending battle, and while I do agree that Riot can and should do a better job at punishing these kinds of people it's not as simple a solution as you might think.
As simple as making it a priority.
Leylania (EUW)
: > Grabherbythekity: lol trist just watches and doesnt put any pressure so she can prove a point, its ok man ill stay behind u now Grabherbythekity: lol this trist sees me getting attacked and she runs further back Grabherbythekity: never ganks. Grabherbythekity: see, i voted yes and now hes blaming me and feeding Grabherbythekity: free kill yi ? Grabherbythekity: you dont want it ok Grabherbythekity: thanks bro Grabherbythekity: way too late man i pinged like 5 in ago Grabherbythekity: its ok tho i know how important gromp is LOL Grabherbythekity: yi mid is not blue and gromp, you got blue and gromp while he was top lane solo with 50 hp Grabherbythekity: ggwp Grabherbythekity: yi was aat gromp at game start when you were no hp Grabherbythekity: he doesn't care you're snowballing Grabherbythekity: yea get that gromp Grabherbythekity: no i get 1v1'd level one and jungle sat at blue and gromp for 3 minutes while top had 100hp Grabherbythekity: ggwp all but yi This is some of the things which most people would not exactly see as friendly or helpful chat. Especially the part where you harass Yi because you don't like that he was doing Gromp instead of coming to you and getting a kill. And to answer your question from the other post > How do you communicate with team on events in game if you can't say. "get off gromp and come kill the guy top lane with 50hp" Without Harassing them?!?!?! By doing excatly what you said in this quote. But this is not what you did. You flamed the Yi for not coming after the situation already happened and not only once but multiple times. Telling someone to come to your lane is fine, flaming them for not coming afterwards is not fine.
Yet it's ok for you to flame me when you see one-sided mild chat and call it harassment lol
Leylania (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cKfWQYLG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-02T23:02:26.757+0000) > > I had a premade of 4 dancing in base until game end. I even typed ggwp. I was the only one trying. I got banned. I saw that post of yours and you did definitly not just write ggwp. You had a long chat log of constantly arguing with your team and telling them how dumb they are in a passive aggressive way. Your ban was definitly deserved while the OP of this post has nothing to fear.
I never once called anyone dumb, so you didn't read it. And what I was communicating was the play that occurred. How do you communicate with team on events in game if you can't say. "get off gromp and come kill the guy top lane with 50hp" Without Harassing them?!?!?! Please quote whatever you thought was "passive aggressive" Which is really funny because this community is so soft it has to go down to passive aggressive for bans? Meanwhile I have 4 teammates in base dancing, but that's fine right? Shame on me for even mentioning it! Get real
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EGlAbwZ9,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-02T21:24:52.309+0000) > > So what you are saying is punish all of them, not just the one's griefing? That sounds more like a blanket bandaid. The nonverbal griefing should be punished more heavily IMO, as it 100% affects gameplay. Anyone can utilize muting, so chat bans really aren't a fix. They focus way too much on the people trying to stop the griefers, than the actual griefing going on. What I'm saying is that people who are looking to provoke others will find a way to do so. People who want to retaliate will find a way to do so. Chat is simply the easiest avenue. Easiest to (ab)use, easiest for other players to avoid, and easiest for Riot to detect a problem. When Riot attempted taking that away, players found other methods that are more difficult for Riot to prove. So, if you have to blame someone, blame the players from that period who ruined any chances of Riot using a permamute solution. Nonverbal griefing jumps straight to 2-week for a first offense, so it's already more heavily punished than standard verbal. Unfortunately, it's also harder to prove intentional griefing vs. low skill or a bad game. And I'd wager the majority of verbal abuse is against low skill, not intentional griefing. And consider this: If someone is intentionally griefing, they are looking for a reaction. They *want* you to lash out, since it gives them a reason to report and bring you down with them.
If Riot is going to continue to allow trolls to take down passionate competitive gamers with them, they will very shortly, as they're already feeling, see a large decline in interest in their game of a good gamer base. That's why this community is now stuck with raging kids, whom they feel obligated to protect. For the amount of oversight they have on mild text, that would only offend people that are offended by everything and nothing, and giving out bans for it... It's really old. People waste hours of others lives with actions in game, and they ban the passionate competitive players that are actually trying to play and win. One of the softest communities out there, and the language restrictions are way too oversighted on mild things. Make people take some actions, you make a mute button, but ban people for as little as calling an actionable griefer a troll..... Get your priorities straight.
OtomCold (NA)
: Naming and shaming: You have to actually mention the name of someone and proceed to shame them. If you say that your jhin was a troll but you do not state their name, you are not naming and shaming. The best place to ask this would be in the [Discuss the Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation) since this question is relating to the rules of the boards.
: i agree with you. but i think they care about the trolls and afks too, it is just much harder to catch them.
It's been the biggest issue from season 2... what season are we in now? They can find a way to balance 150 champs, but in almost 10 years can't find a way to target actionable griefers
Leylania (EUW)
: No that's not reportable and false reports will not harm your account, don't worry. They were probably premades and just messing with you for fun, don't take it too serious.
I had a premade of 4 dancing in base until game end. I even typed ggwp. I was the only one trying. I got banned.
Kaioko (NA)
: If it's just "LOL" then you're perfectly fine. I mean I personally say way worse on a continuous basis or poke fun at them (example to the 0/5 full AD darius vs the Riven top lane: "Well no worries at least you weren't idiotic and got some armor to counter the player whose clearly better than you") and have never gotten a single punishment. It's all about balance some banter is fine -- going overboard on it is not. The problem is I'm finding out that way too many people don't seem to have the common sense to realize where the limit is.
That limit is not consistently in place. You can be banned for saying someone is trolling who just walked down mid lane 3 times in a row, or is dancing in base for 5 minutes. They compare actions to mild words and are punishing the wrong people, the passionate competitive gamers
: > [{quoted}](name=Kaioko,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cKfWQYLG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-02T22:10:10.314+0000) > > False reports are dismissed and will not affect you. Now if you did/said things that were re-portable out of frustration in that game then that can be held against you. Well, every time they told the other team I just kept saying ''LOL'' because I found it stupid to report someone over picking a champ.
Wow by saying LOL you were harassing them, and putting them on the spot to defend themselves. How dare you! They treat mild words worse than actual griefing, it's pathetic.
: Is this report able worthy?
False reports will stay with you don't let them kid you. I got 5 honors during the 2 games they recorded on my 14 ban. the worst thing i did was call a griefer a troll. Group reports def. have an impact, because when you solo que into a 3 or 4 person group, even if they are the ones trolling, still expect a ban. GroupTrollPower.
: Asking for reports is a form of harassment just so you know, the reason for this is because only one report is needed to flag a match to be checked. If someone has legitimately been escalated to a 14 day ban then for there first chat offense then they have been VERY toxic in recent games that warranted the escalation from just a simple chat restriction. Many players here in PB&M (sadly) like to lie about their previous punishments.
Asking for a report is not harassment. It's only harassment in this community. If they actually banned the people that harassed people with actions in the game, this would be a much better community. Everyone has a mute button. Stop comparing actions to mild words.
: Thats the thing though. hes one of the nicest people i know. hes grown up mormon so hes like one of those super goody tissue people. I dont know what it is about this weekend but we have got stuck with a bunch of trolls who just keep wanting to report everyone thats doing good or like with the autolock situation. He's never even gotten a chat restriction. Just two afk restrictions. Like there was this one dude earlier on the enemy team who was getting super pissed because i was ganking for my friend like a lot lol and the dude kept calling him a pussy because he needed help and just saying mean things. and all my friend would just say is okay or just a winky face and it made him ten times more mad. He said he was getting his whole team to report him so idk. I dont get this system anymore. I see how people go from not ever getting in trouble on here to a permaban or 14 day ban and it doesnt make any sense to me. Like ive gotten chat restrictions first. Its never gone straight to a 14 day ban and i still havent gotten one. Can you just tell me how you appeal it though? i know you can send a ticket but im not sure how to do that.
This community is cancer, the people that downvote this are probably on payroll.
: How to appeal a 14 day ban?
How dare him actually play his own lane and get punished for calling out online bullies. Riot creates safety zones for actual action griefers, and focus on mass premade group reports on mild chat. You can't even call a griefer a troll. They are overstepping way too far, and taking away actual gameplay from passionate competitive gamers, and babysitting the people who are ruining hours of everyone's lives by actually griefing. Stop comparing actions to mild words.
: apparently calling a person butthurt OR assuming what this community may respond to you is grounds for being banned now.
I believe it, and if that person you called butthurt sat in base dancing until game end, they would be just fine and go unpunished. But shame on you for being a passionate competitive gamer calling out an online bully.
: i have not seen them state it. but i am fairly certain it is true. it follows the same logic as calling for reports being punishable. 'report x' and 'x is trolling' are both negative in the exact same way. it calls out the player in front of all the other players and compels them to defend themselves. if one is punishable then it makes sense the other would be as well. i dont agree with their murky rules and misguided attempts to censor the player base either. but its their game and so we have to work under their rules.
I agree their oversight is way too much on this area, but I'm sorry I have to disagree that having a griefer defend themselves is warranted when they are actually causing game griefing for 9 others, and wasting an hour of their time. I don't believe it is fair to compare actual actions vs. words. especially mild words. Yes people who use slurs, and threats, and actual harassment should be punished. But passionate competitive players in a competitive game should not be punished for bringing to light the current griefing situation. Not to mention the people that would be paying money to them in their game that they are just throwing away because an obsession for creating safety zones, that actually protect the griefing actions from recourse. They don't punish people for feeding or team baiting, or dancing in base afk until the team pushes to win. They ONLYcare if you call someone Anything, at all, because then you are a toxic, cancerous, bigot, homophobe, and who cares about the actual game play right? or actually fixing the problem right? Just ban all the frustrated passionate competitive people who are sick of the abundance of griefing trolls in the community, and the safety zones riot has created for them.
: 1. I feel for you, it sucks to get trolled so bad that you feel the need to react. But it's still not an acceptable response, according to Riot. 2. Naming is basically calling attention to someone for something. Whether they do what you said or not, it can bring negative attention on them. Which is a problem because attention on a troll only adds fuel to the fire, and negative on an innocent person makes them miserable. So it won't matter if they are innocent or guilty because either way calling them on it can only make things worse. 3. Unfortunately Riot does consider it punishable, because whether you intend it to or not it can create a negative experience in the game for the bystanders on your team. Filling chat with talk calling their attention to something that is irritating will only serve to make them more irritated. There's no need to do so, so it's not worth doing anyways.
I agree with all of that, but how will anyone ever know what is a good or bad play decision, if we are forced to say Please do this? or I would appreciate it if you didn't do that? I can't just tell someone anymore that, "HEY STOP THATS A BAD IDEA" because i'd be toxic cancer and harassing.... it's out of control I mean how much respect are we being demanded to give griefers who don't earn or deserve it? They're punishing people for not saying please and thank you to those who are ruining hours of others lives. IMO it is not even close to comparable to relate actions vs mild words. Yea I 100% think slurs and threats need punishment, but when did they start banning people who don't use slurs, don't threaten people, don't harass people? They're banning passionate competitors in a competitive video game?
: Are you talking about the boards rules or the game rules? The no naming and shaming is there to prevent witch hunts, since players don’t have access to all game data.
I must have been reading the board rules, but I'd assume the language in both rules on what is accepted chat would be similar?
: both of those are punishable. in riots eyes when you call someone a troll or griefer you are calling them out in front of the whole team. now they feel like they have to defend themselves which usually brings an argument and a spread of toxicity and generally bad feelings. if you think someone is trolling riots idea is you mute them and report them afterwards. so yes according to them saying 'you are trolling' to a troll is toxic and punishable.
Thanks. Do you know where they state this? It would be really nice to read. I really find it hard to believe that pointing out to the match that someone is trolling so they can also monitor it is toxic and punishable, and not held consistantly. I have never received a note saying a player was punished from my report after major griefing play. I've only recieved those back when the player was going off in chat. I really disagree with their stance on this, they do not punish griefers nearly enough, nor monitor pregame chat for griefing, and then passionate competitive people get banned trying to have a good game. It's out of control. If you don't have a premade group, every other game is a waste of an hour with the amount of actual in game play griefing, and pre-game demands and griefs that lead into it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Us9I4dbo,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-02T21:37:30.551+0000) > > Example I'm going through now: > > Joins draft que* > player joins with duo and types " I play jungle or I feed" > > by your logic, what is the reaction they are looking for? > Because if our jungle, which im support fill, doesn't want to trade him, then we all get to waste an hour of our time because of him. > > * Other player leaves que. > * Next que I get the same duo and the " I play jungle or I feed" > *doesn't get jungle, our jungle wont trade. > > Am I making the problem worse by telling them, "you cant join draft and say jungle or feed." > Am I making the problem worse by informing the other team of the situation so they can monitor it and possibly help report the Actual griefing that is occurring? > > How is this toxic? How is this harassment? How is this negative attitude on my part? The game punishes people who stand up to griefers, and it's really sad that they make safe zones for them by punishing people calling out a bully, which is essential what a troll is doing via internet. > > They're not going after the actual griefers which is my biggest concern, they are punishing way too many people who are trying to help the situation, but get banned for being passionate and competitive and promoting good play. They need to punish griefers, not mild chatters. Doing it just once might not have been an issue, but I just looked at your actual post with the chat logs. From the chat log you just kept going on and on about it incessantly. At that point you're just calling more attention to it which isn't even necessary. You can just report the player yourself after the game. It only takes your one report to flag the game for review, other peoples reports don't stack with yours, because the system only takes into account whether there are or aren't reports when deciding whether or not to review the match for behavior, after it decides to review the match it ignores the reports and focuses on what happens in game.
Yea I know it looks that way with just one story on there doesn't it. You don't get to see him lying about location and time. So i was a bit persistant, but was that punishable? Where did I cross the line? The worst thing I did was say he was trolling... is that punishable? The 4 of them sat in base dancing for the last 5 minutes until they pushed to win, but I get a ban calling a griefer a troll... I just don't see the consistency with punishments, nor do I see it clarified in the rules. I mean honestly what is "Naming?"
: The problem I see in the chat logs is that people don't just call people out, they call people out and then argue and sometimes harass and flame them. You can call them out and then mute and move on. "Pls stop AFKing in the base" and if they don't actually leave base, then mute and play the game, then report after, and move on. The pattern I see based on what players post in their chat logs and their interactions with player behavior support specialists is that the arguing, and the "standing up for yourself" which usually turns out to be flaming and harassment, gets punished.
I agree completely, but do they clearly state what is considered harassment? Yes we have the obvious ones like slurs and threats, but where do they draw the line? What specifically is "Naming?" If I call someone a pro is that naming? If i call a griefer a griefer, is that punishable? If you announce that a player is trolling, is that punishable? If I communicate a player is intentionally griefing so others can monitor the situation too, is that punishable? You can't be so vague in areas like this where you are handing out bans and punishments on accounts, where it is not clearly stated in the rules, and the bans are not handed out consistently. IMO if you solo que, you are always at risk if you get paired up with a group of 3 or 4 no matter what you say or do.
: Are you aware of how human behavior works? Someone who griefs is doing it because they want a reaction. If you reward them with that reaction then you make the situation worse by showing them that their attempts worked. They will think, "Huh, if I do this then they do what I want, I should do it more!" And alternatively, if someone is _not_ actually trolling but they seem like they are to you, then calling them out or threatening with reports will just piss them off and make them tilt really hard, because nobody likes being falsely accused. It's a lose-lose situation, so you should never flame someone for trolling. It won't matter if you're right or wrong that they are trolling, because you will make the situation worse either way.
Example I'm going through now: Joins draft que* player joins with duo and types " I play jungle or I feed" by your logic, what is the reaction they are looking for? Because if our jungle, which im support fill, doesn't want to trade him, then we all get to waste an hour of our time because of him. * Other player leaves que. * Next que I get the same duo and the " I play jungle or I feed" *doesn't get jungle, our jungle wont trade. Am I making the problem worse by telling them, "you cant join draft and say jungle or feed." Am I making the problem worse by informing the other team of the situation so they can monitor it and possibly help report the Actual griefing that is occurring? How is this toxic? How is this harassment? How is this negative attitude on my part? The game punishes people who stand up to griefers, and it's really sad that they make safe zones for them by punishing people calling out a bully, which is essential what a troll is doing via internet. They're not going after the actual griefers which is my biggest concern, they are punishing way too many people who are trying to help the situation, but get banned for being passionate and competitive and promoting good play. They need to punish griefers, not mild chatters.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grabherbythekity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EGlAbwZ9,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-02T20:34:43.818+0000) > > Riot has put in place emotes and in game chat actions that help communicate without the need for typing words. Who are you, to assume that someone who wants to disable chat, is automatically going to grief by trolling? You are making assumptions that someone will act in poor judgement before they do, and that is not appropriate. I think it's a great idea, with what communication tools have been implemented into the game in the last few seasons, to allow players to disable chat completely. Sometimes the only cause for attitudes, is what is being typed, so that could change it, but muting all is also an option Because when Riot attempted rolling chat bans (some people were effectively permamuted during that period), there was an upswing in trolling as those players turned to nonverbal griefing.
So what you are saying is punish all of them, not just the one's griefing? That sounds more like a blanket bandaid. The nonverbal griefing should be punished more heavily IMO, as it 100% affects gameplay. Anyone can utilize muting, so chat bans really aren't a fix. They focus way too much on the people trying to stop the griefers, than the actual griefing going on.
Rioter Comments
: It would be very tedious for me to go thru this chatlog and tell you why everything you typed is toxic. So I will instead highlight the things you said that were NOT toxic. Grabherbythekity: im not doing anything wrong Grabherbythekity: thanks bro Grabherbythekity: yea get that gromp Everything else you typed was toxic and your ban was SUPER justified, I feel sorry for anyone matched with or against you. [BTW I am well aware those last 2 were sarcastic and passive aggressive comments, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt to make you look slightly less dumb.]
> [{quoted}](name=Disaster 41,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YjQefzgt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-02T20:43:43.861+0000) > > It would be very tedious for me to go thru this chatlog and tell you why everything you typed is toxic. So I will instead highlight the things you said that were NOT toxic. > > Grabherbythekity: im not doing anything wrong > Grabherbythekity: thanks bro > Grabherbythekity: yea get that gromp > > Everything else you typed was toxic and your ban was SUPER justified, I feel sorry for anyone matched with or against you. [BTW I am well aware those last 2 were sarcastic and passive aggressive comments, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt to make you look slightly less dumb.] Ok so what you are saying is that I am toxic, and assuming I am passive aggressive towards griefers? Yet you calling me dumb, is more aggro than any one thing I said in those entire 2 games. So really please do go through and tell me what was so toxic about me bringing griefers to light. we should praise people standing up to bullies and griefers, and not punish them. I'd love for one thing I did to be actually quoted or deemed punishable from the rules, which are vague and need to be clarified, because punishments are not consistent.
usul1202 (NA)
: You spent the entire first game harassing tristana and teemo and the latter half of the second game blaming yi for most of the problems in the game. If they were trolling, then your chat would have fed the trolls and made it worse. If they weren't trolling, then you just harassed them for mistakes, and likely led to them playing worse, since none of you chat is constructive.
Harassed? If anything I said in there is harassment please quote it.
: As a response to your earlier reply to me: You go into game one being pretty negative. I get the frustration from the player, but you're Just adding to the tilt in game. You are correct and not toxic by stating he can't call jungle or feed, but then toy start going off on other teammates because you were already on tilt. This is not acceptable behavior for the chat logs.
They were qued together and both going off at me in chat? All I did was point out to the game, that the player was griefing in 2 pregame lobbies. That's not being negative, that's pointing out facts. How is that offensive in any way?
Eedat (NA)
: First, you dont jump right to a 14 day ban unless you were using slurs (also racist/sexist comments), making threats, encouraging suicide, or sexual harrassment. Honestly your name alone might fit into the last category. You and everyone else knows exactly what it actually references. Finding a way around the filters doesnt mean you're in the blue and wont be punished for it. You've had prior punishments which is why you're at a 14 day ban or you fall into one of the categories i mentioned. Second, the surrender vote is just that. ***A vote.*** You get your vote and everyone gets theirs. Them using their vote to vote no is not trolling. I looked at your match history and your last game did not have an inter. You just decided to bash them and call them inters because the game wasnt going well and flame them for voting no. Thats why you got punished. Use your vote and if others disagree, deal with it.
I've never used a slur, I've never threatened anyone ever, I've never encouraged suicide, or sexual harrassment. Both inside and outside of this game. I've had prior punishments for similar very mild communication with people griefing me, and it seems whenever it's a group, I'm the one that gets the punishment, even if they also get one? I do know what voting is thanks, if you read what I posted, you'd see that they were voting no, but yelling at teammates claiming we were voting no. I had no issue with the votes, as i continued to play the game, I was just expressing their level of griefing. And no they were actually running down lane into their base as you can see in my play by play that was not aggro, but pointing out griefers griefing. Sorry you dont like my name I tried to pick 100 others than started typing stupid things until one worked.
: This wouldn't cause you to skip to a 14-day ban from having had no prior punishments, but the system is cumulative. If you have had chat restrictions before then it's not a long stretch for the system to find this general negativity to be a problem enough to apply some punishment, and because you already used your chat restrictions, it goes on to the next level of punishment. Be careful after this, you'll be on super thin ice and even mild negativity like what you displayed in this chat could lead to another punishment (which after a 14-day ban is a permanent ban).
Mild negativity? Calling out bullies and griefers should be praised not punished. I got a 14 day for calling a griefer a troll. Apparently it's naming. but wouldn't that be naming if you called a griefer a griefer? They need to really clarify what is punishable, it is way too vague, and you can get group reported, even if they were the trolls, and you played to win... Griefers are more protected than the courageous people calling them out, especially when they come in groups.
: If you have these in your chat logs, don't bother posting about your ban.
Is calling a griefer a "troll" Naming? because that's all that was in my chat when I got ban
Chermorg (NA)
: Riot does not want players with negative attitude in the game. Allowing you to remove your own chat does not fix your attitude problem - it only puts a bandaid on it. The problem would then (statistically likely) grow into griefing, light trolling, “accidentally” feeding a kill or two.. and other problems. Riot expects you to either reform and lose the attitude completely - i.e. not be toxic - or leave the game. The problem will not be solved just by removing your chat - you will still have a negative attitude as you have not changed your attitude. It is **your** job to change - not Riot’s.
> Riot does not want players with negative attitude in the game. Allowing you to remove your own chat does not fix your attitude problem - it only puts a bandaid on it. The problem would then (statistically likely) grow into griefing, light trolling, “accidentally” feeding a kill or two.. and other problems. Riot has put in place emotes and in game chat actions that help communicate without the need for typing words. Who are you, to assume that someone who wants to disable chat, is automatically going to grief by trolling? You are making assumptions that someone will act in poor judgement before they do, and that is not appropriate. I think it's a great idea, with what communication tools have been implemented into the game in the last few seasons, to allow players to disable chat completely. Sometimes the only cause for attitudes, is what is being typed, so that could change it, but muting all is also an option
: Please meet me halfway regarding chatting too much.
I'm finding if you put anything in chat, you are open to being punished because of the safe zones they make for griefers.
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