Big Tick (EUW)
: I don't agree with a lot of nerfs you suggested, but some resonate with me. True stealth. Why? Just. Why. Does. This. Exist. Remove it and compensate IF NEEDED. W shouldnt give instant energy, it should restore energy over the duration you are invisble in cloud. Adds counterplay if you force an akali to low energy, she cant just shroud and continue Q spam, she has to proc passive. Her passive is actually fine, doesn't need to be changed, and her Q spam is gated by energy (though she gets it back very quickly, which is what should be targetted)
> [{quoted}](name=dracocrash,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WjysM7av,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-07T04:40:33.683+0000) > > I don't agree with a lot of nerfs you suggested, but some resonate with me. > > True stealth. Why? Just. Why. Does. This. Exist. Remove it and compensate IF NEEDED. > > W shouldnt give instant energy, it should restore energy over the duration you are invisble in cloud. Adds counterplay if you force an akali to low energy, she cant just shroud and continue Q spam, she has to proc passive. > > Her passive is actually fine, doesn't need to be changed, and her Q spam is gated by energy (though she gets it back very quickly, which is what should be targetted) That W change actually sounds like it would be pretty good ty for actually contributing to the discussion and if she doesnt get her energy back instantly she wont be so spam heavy in trades. I agree with you
: I don't know man. I kind of lost respect for you when you wrote, " being able to completely remove the ability to be targeted EVEN BY TOWERS was obviously going to be a nightmare for her lane opponents. " Even the most basic ass mage lux can handle her towerdiving by just snaring her under tower. She's visible, it's just that single-target abilities and auto-attacks don't work. Pantheon Q doesn't work, and ahri's W won't target her, but ahri's Q and E can still land, and it's not hard to land either. The tower grants you visibility. You can see her if she's tower diving you. " Removing the energy regen for pressing W making her need to get passive procs to regain energy" This would utterly break her unless they buff the passive proc to regain energy. If they buff the passive proc to regain energy she gets more lain sustain and that in turn breaks her in the opposite direction. This suggestion either completely nerfs her to unusable, or makes her way to strong. ". Increasing Q cooldown would prevent her from procing passives very quickly." It's energy cost is stupid high, there's already a limiting factor to stop her from spamm... wait a sec. All of these complaints... they barely make any sense. Don't tell me. You haven't even played the champ? Are you one of those people who calls out a champ for being broken w/o even playing them? If you play the champ and pubstomp then by all means you should ask for a nerf, but you don't even seem to have a firm grasp on how the champion works. Honestly, it should be a requirement to be at least mastery 3 with a champ b4 complaining about them.
> [{quoted}](name=TitanAnteus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WjysM7av,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-07T03:33:16.385+0000) > > I don't know man. I kind of lost respect for you when you wrote, " being able to completely remove the ability to be targeted EVEN BY TOWERS was obviously going to be a nightmare for her lane opponents. " > > Even the most basic ass mage lux can handle her towerdiving by just snaring her under tower. She's visible, it's just that single-target abilities and auto-attacks don't work. Pantheon Q doesn't work, and ahri's W won't target her, but ahri's Q and E can still land, and it's not hard to land either. The tower grants you visibility. You can see her if she's tower diving you. > > " Removing the energy regen for pressing W making her need to get passive procs to regain energy" > This would utterly break her unless they buff the passive proc to regain energy. If they buff the passive proc to regain energy she gets more lain sustain and that in turn breaks her in the opposite direction. This suggestion either completely nerfs her to unusable, or makes her way to strong. > > ". Increasing Q cooldown would prevent her from procing passives very quickly." > It's energy cost is stupid high, there's already a limiting factor to stop her from spamm... wait a sec. > > All of these complaints... they barely make any sense. Don't tell me. You haven't even played the champ? Are you one of those people who calls out a champ for being broken w/o even playing them? If you play the champ and pubstomp then by all means you should ask for a nerf, but you don't even seem to have a firm grasp on how the champion works. Honestly, it should be a requirement to be at least mastery 3 with a champ b4 complaining about them. Never complained about the champ and I also have played every midlaner aside from malzahar and zoe. You seem to be assuming I just get trashed by her in game and just want the champ gutted. I love her design and her kit is extremely fun to play, I just want her to not break the rules of being a high risk high reward champion and having a pretty forgiving risk. And her having such a disgustingly high banrate just shows shes not accepted by the community in her current state. If you want an easy way to fix the champion she'd just be reverted against the wishes of the players who find her extremely cool and fun to play. You say the champion would be broken if her W energy regen was removed but look at all the other energy champions. Kennen energy regen after stacking passive + stunning target and by hitting a champion with his E both taking time and removing kennen ability to escape with his E. Zed has to land multiple abilities with his shadows once per cast requiring shadow placement and skill shots. Shen landing E or auto attacking with Q which takes time (hes also not an assassin) Lee Sin returns energy by auto attacking with his passive which takes time. Akali gets a large energy refund just by pressing 1 key, no time or effort required. Maybe increasing the passive energy regen would be too much but the champion shouldnt be rewarding with more offensive power just by pressing a key which just so happens to be her defensive ability. Imagine if zed were refunded energy by pressing W. And ask anyone on their opinion about Akalis W ignoring towers nobody likes it. I personally think it should be kept the same with just a lower cd if it falls under tower range or just make it so its duration gets decreased if she gets cc'd in it And to your last complaint about my non complaints the last option was purely if all else failed. You cant deny her passive makes her a very powerful extended trader which as an assassin just makes her super lane dominant as your windows of opportunities are cut short by her long combos. When she is able to beat toplane fighters in extended trades like Fiora or Camille. Camille is more of a burst champ than Akali is at this point. She has fighter tier combos while assassin level damage. Even Akali mains want her changed because their champion is unplayable with her banrate. And Professor Akali a long time Akali main even explains why shes unfair to play against [](https://youtu.be/Y1KrBQrg198) Its funny how you try to attack me after giving a lacking counter arguement you seem like someone who comes on the boards to disagree and assume they have no idea what they're talking about instead of being helpful.
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