: Honestly, this thread is a good example of the behaviour which led to their reputation. Just look at their replies to AeroWaffle and TrulyBland.
: I'm not stereotyping. I said that you insulted people, thus people don't like you. I am not talking about a group of people. I am talking about you. What you are doing is stereotyping. You are insulting groups of individuals and assuming that they inherit all the negative qualities by labeling various people as being part of 'RBSC'.
People like me huh? Just go on and call me the n word while you're at it.
: ahhh yes i know of those people good thing i dont find them in game
Most of them have already been banned fortunately. Their behaviors on here are 10x worse in game for sure.
: It's not stereotyping to talk specifically about your actions or behavior. They are not saying, "You're just like other trolls" or "All X are just like you".
So don't be mad when you get called out for being a stereotyper and an RBSC member.
: sorry but what the fuck does RBSC mean????
Rito Butt Slappers Club. It's a group of people here, a couple of which may be Riot employees who: - Harass people, especially those who critique Riot and those who've been punished in-game - Abuse the Downvoting system - Partake in spreading pro-Riot and Full-House/Barney style lesson of the day behavior. Amongst other things
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: **You** are the one who is stereotyping, don't you see that? You keep calling out the "Rito Butt Slappers Club" for being responsible for your downvotes without any evidence, but when somebody links **you** specifically with **your** past behaviour, that is them stereotyping you? Holding things you say against you isn't stereotyping.
I don't accuse people of being RBSC unless they've shown their colors and we've seen some RBSC colors here. RBSC members have certain behaviors that are very prevalent here. >Holding things you say against you isn't stereotyping. This was a thread all about that and the scores and various comments show it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZlsrdXmc,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T22:19:18.703+0000) > > It's the Rito Butt Slappers Club and they are in full effect here. This is Rito Butt Slappers Club stuff through and through with accusations, group harassment, bullying, downvoting, abusing the system and just general propaganda. We even have self-admitted RBSC members in here. > > Yes, the RBSC is just SO MUCH better because you stereotype, bully, downvote and harass. > > More insults and threats from an RBSC member. Not surprised. > > If you want me to take you anything but a hypocrite, learn how to talk. > > I've been taking it too easy on a lot of you lately. Thanks for proving my point.
That you are an RBSC member and you stereotype and harass? You earned your RBSC brown stripes for your actions in this thread, although I had you on the RBSC list already due to your previous actions. If you want to stop your RBSC ways, I'll show you the way. You're not permabanned but even the worst RBSC members are always on a path to being reformed. I'm here to help you.
o Maui o (NA)
: I thought you were way too hung up on votes even before you started a thread complaining that someone else got better votes than you. Just don't worry about it so much.
Paquay (NA)
: Stereotyping? Sure in certain cases. In this case if someone is known to constantly attack other posters and has a bad reputation in the community, their comments are going to be heavily disregarded. Perhaps when you post you should think about the future consequences your comments might have. I think this entire thread is a perfect example of why your ideas get downvoted.
>Perhaps when you post you should think about the future consequences your comments might have. I think this entire thread is a perfect example of why your ideas get downvoted. I think this thread shows who is RBSC and who isn't around here because this is what the RBSC does. Harass, group bully and abuse downvotes.
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZlsrdXmc,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T20:53:53.229+0000) > > You just accused me of something and stereotyped me, then tried to be smart on top of it. > > Plus we also have Aerowaffle admitting that it is okay to downvote someone and stereotype someone if they feel "they have a history". I'm sorry, but what the he'll did you expect after several months of 'Riot Butt Slapping Club! Riot Butt Slapping Club'? You have yourself a reputation. Now you want everyone to listen to you calmly? This isn't a moderated debate. You are the annoying heckling kid in the back of the room like Mushroom Midget. And you've earned that reputation. Next time, if you want the members of a board to take you seriously, don't repeatedly insult them.
It's the Rito Butt Slappers Club and they are in full effect here. This is Rito Butt Slappers Club stuff through and through with accusations, group harassment, bullying, downvoting, abusing the system and just general propaganda. We even have self-admitted RBSC members in here. >You have yourself a reputation. Now you want everyone to listen to you calmly? This isn't a moderated debate. Yes, the RBSC is just SO MUCH better because RBSC members stereotype, bully, downvote and harass. >You are the annoying heckling kid in the back of the room like Mushroom Midget. And you've earned that reputation. Next time, if you want the members of a board to take you seriously, don't repeatedly insult them. More insults and threats from an RBSC member. Not surprised. If you want me to take you anything but a hypocrite, learn how to talk. I've been taking it too easy on a lot of you lately. Time to start cracking down.
: It turns out, insulting someone is a horrible way to get them to agree with any of your points. This is not limited to league of legends boards, this is universal to debates.
It turns out that accusing people and stereotyping people makes you worse than the person you are trying to rip. You showed your true RBSC colors today aerowaffles.
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZlsrdXmc,comment-id=000200010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T20:56:27.762+0000) > > I'm sure man. Everyone on this board never does it and it all just happens magically. Never claimed to speak for anyone's habits but my own. :)
: Does Riot owe you anything for $ spent on in-game purchases after a permaban?
>Do they? By law, no. >Does it feel right that they can ban you for any reason, regardless of actual proof and the chances of you getting unbanned are slim? No It's a slimy thing to do. The worst though is not refunding unused RP. That's very messed up. Bans solve nothing. Myself and many others have been banned multiple times and had just as bad of stuff said to us and just as bad of things done to us in the process of getting banned. You ban me and I make a new account. I can find something worthy of a punishment in 99% of my games.
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZlsrdXmc,comment-id=0002000100010000,timestamp=2017-05-04T20:44:23.972+0000) > > You know what's funny? Everyone has explanations but yet no one bothered to even discuss WHEN THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO DISCUSS, but did make sure to downvote. -shrug- I can't speak for everyone. I'm just giving my thoughts on why you might not have gotten traction with either thread. I didn't ever see either thread on the boards or I likely would have commented -- that's the sort of thing that intrigues me. And, speaking only for myself, I tend to downvote infrequently, and only use them for posts that are clearly ranting, spam, or insulting.
I'm sure man. Everyone on this board never does it and it all just happens magically.
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZlsrdXmc,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-05-04T20:50:39.556+0000) > > I haven't either, but again: > > Accusation + stereotype = All good when the usual 15-20 people do it Whatever makes you feel better, boyo.
You just accused me of something and stereotyped me, then tried to be smart on top of it. Plus we also have Aerowaffle admitting that it is okay to downvote someone and stereotype someone if they feel "they have a history".
: DTN hasn't made it his life goal to piss off this board.
I haven't either, but again: Accusation + stereotype = All good when the usual 15-20 people do it
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZlsrdXmc,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-05-04T20:34:04.479+0000) > > With pleasure, but I know, you won't read it and are going to downvote it anyway: > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4JUlAbmE-introducing-trollbuster - One of my big posts for improving the game = -10 score > > Multiple ideas on fixing the game - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/pNE9Gnm8-my-ideas-on-how-to-fix-various-stressful-and-behavior-issues-in-the-game = -14 score I think the differences here is that your Trollbuster thread proposes to solve the problem outright, instead of merely suggest improvements. It's less digestible a post, and proposes a solution at odds with what Riot itself aims to achieve (by not ever actually banning a player). It's a discussion I'd definitely have commented on, but, sadly, a lot of the community doesn't want to read an entire system overhaul -- especially because Riot is unlikely to change their priorities THAT much. The second thread may suffer from idea overload. DTN presents a select few ideas here, with strong supporting reasons. Your second thread has some interesting ideas, but it includes so damn many that it's hard to pick the better ones out of the crowd. If you repost something like that, I'd recommend putting forward your best 5-6 ideas for comment.
You know what's funny? Everyone has explanations but yet no one bothered to even discuss WHEN THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO DISCUSS, but did make sure to downvote.
: Looks likr you care too much about score. Both of your threads got a lot of action. It's just a lot of people disagreed with you specific ideas hence the downvotes.
They disagreed so much that they didn't bother to leave a message discussing it but did make sure to downvote. That's definitely the sign of someone actually reading. I know when I disagree with something, my immediate reaction is to downvote and then not actually talk about any of the issues with it /s
Xidphel (NA)
: Source for the idea.
Like it matters: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4JUlAbmE-introducing-trollbuster - One of my big posts for improving the game = -10 score Multiple ideas on fixing the game - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/pNE9Gnm8-my-ideas-on-how-to-fix-various-stressful-and-behavior-issues-in-the-game = -14 score vs https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EwWH8%%%-tantram-a-few-player-behavior-system-changes-id-like-to-see = +126 score
: It generally helps not having a bad reputation of personally attacking other posters to get the initial visibility. Once a thread has reached a certain + number, it enters the 1st page when someone is at the boards home under the "hot" filter.
>It generally helps not having a bad reputation So you are defending stereotyping and bullying regardless of the message? You proved my point. Downvoters - You are doing exactly what I'm saying. I love being right.
: Typical. No evidence, no specific claims, just unsupport vague statements to slander Riot and its community
With pleasure, but I know you won't read it and are going to downvote it anyway: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/4JUlAbmE-introducing-trollbuster - One of my big posts for improving the game = -10 score Multiple ideas on fixing the game - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/pNE9Gnm8-my-ideas-on-how-to-fix-various-stressful-and-behavior-issues-in-the-game = -14 score vs https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EwWH8%%%-tantram-a-few-player-behavior-system-changes-id-like-to-see = +126 score And there's a whole host of ideas everyday here that get downvoted to oblivion. ------ But AeroWaffle said it best: >>It generally helps not having a bad reputation IE - The board downvotes people because they don't like them, regardless of the message.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: To reiterate my point, what you are doing right now is: >preemptively attacking everybody that has a different opinion.
If someone is wrong on something, you discuss with them, you just don't downvote and ignore and that is what is happening here. And that's not a guess, that's coming from someone who has wrote lengthy posts on things and still gotten 15+ phantom downvoters who had time to downvote, but not to actually discuss.
: Does reporting do anything at this point?
It doesn't. I've put out hundreds of reports this season and Riot said that the report weight is gone. Not a single message of someone being punished since the Yorick rework despite me reporting multiple people per game. So the odds are something like 1/500.
Rioter Comments
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: Then maybe learn from this style of writing and, most importantly, tone. This post is written respectfully, constructive and without preemptively attacking everybody that has a different opinion.
People downvote and don't read anyway, that's why there's big downvotes and almost no arguments to defend them.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 4
Why can't Sejuani be broken for a few patches before you nerf her to nothing while other reworks and champs could?
: @Tantram: A few Player Behavior system changes I'd like to see
: This, if you check all the characters I talked about, most of them do have counters, namely Yasuo despite being completely toxic, gets countered by Darius aswell, should Riot leave him as he is ? Hell no.
Yasuo and Ekko are in their own land and it's mostly due to having super flexible kits that make you both melee and ranged. Kayle is really easy to get.
: As a toplaner, the list of characters I want to see reworked/removed/nerfed and why
Kayle doesn't do well against Darius and basically anyone who can just go in on him.
: ...................................................................... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
So you are arguing that you can easily hit him with basic attacks as a ranged champ? Or just trolling?
: If anything ranged champs are his biggest counter while he completely dumpsters a majority of the melee roster.
You cannot get off basic attacks as a ranged champ near him. Abilities yes, but those are only getting you so far.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Bard Blyat Bard,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yEzG2Bj2,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-04-29T15:23:35.677+0000) > > When you are not banned you are clearly not toxic enough. I have six permabanned accounts
I'm at 2 myself. Banning people never was and never will be the answer when you can make new accounts for free.
: “If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.” ― Henry Ford
"If you've always been trolled, you'll always be trolled, so play something else where you won't be trolled" - Great Muta
: Yeah but in normals i couldn't care less if i lose because it means nothing. Its purely a learning experience with no stress about what results of a loss.
So don't complain when you lose in ranked either, especially due to people trolling. It doesn't mean anything and it's a learning experience.
: or norms because i want to play but dont need to win to have fun
Ah, getting flamed and reported plus getting stomped is just SOOOOO fun.
: but it doesn't? I ask before I do anything in blind its just easier to go offmeta since enemies don't see your picks and you don't get countered as easily, and draft isn't ranked so people try new things in it all the time. its normals and a good place to try new builds.
It does. Your troll picks ensure the people who actually would like to win are less likely to do so and when you don't try your best, you are further ensuring a loss comes. How fun is it to get reported, flamed and stomped? Because I'll guarantee this is happening in your various blind pick games. I hope it's hysterical when you get the ban someday for people reporting you for it.
: I mean if you've actually improved and deserve those wins then maybe you'll lose a few but no streak. If you "lucked" into those wins and are still playing at your old level then you will drop back down. Also going in with the mentality of "losing streak" is gonna tilt you and make you play worse. Don't think about it and you'll have more fun and win more. I don't care if the system sucks, the mentality of "I'm gonna go on a losing streak" GUARUNTEES you go on a losing streak.
I disagree. Check out my recent losing streak: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DXfqiP4cR_mF1ajdlmRmqMtyZLrE_lsGwCvvjO0uRp8/edit#gid=1180632855 - Jungler with no smite - 3 AFK's - 90cs in 36 mins ADC - Giving a kalista 14 kills in 18 mins - Autlock double jungle trolljob - Smurf Fizz ADC This wasn't accidental.
: This is why i don't ranked. I don't want to come inches away from the next elo only to fall back down.
Same thing happens in normals. Check out my stat sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DXfqiP4cR_mF1ajdlmRmqMtyZLrE_lsGwCvvjO0uRp8/edit#gid=1180632855 Almost every big winstreak comes with a losing streak of equal size
: is saying "gg ez" punishable?
Nope, not on its own. I asked RiotTantrum. This person would need to do this consistently and it would have to be paired with other behaviors.
: so no fun in blind and draft? I use blind for off meta picks and draft for build experiments and practice after I cleared it in practice mode lol
If your fun comes at the expense of everyone else's fun, you are being the troll.
: Dear LOL Community - Don't become a dick like me.
Paquay (NA)
: You can mute people for a reason...
I just want someone I've muted to stay muted in post-game chat.
: I want to play, but it looks like not much has changed
Nothing has changed and nothing will ever change. Riot and the RBSC(Rito Butt Slappers Club) here will utter the phrase "it could be abused" anytime any solution is offered to fixing the behavior system. This completely ignores the fact that the system is already abused. So nothing is ever going to get fixed, 1 person will continue to be able to ruin the game for 9 other people and players will keep on getting abused. At the end of the day, Riot is the MVP of toxicity.
: Yeah, sure, post all over the boards and watch as the post gets removed and you eventually get a board ban from refusing to NOT name and shame. Don't start Witch hunts. It makes YOU the bad person. Sending reports through a ticket DOES WORK. You wont be told anything, but the person will be dealt with.
So why was the guy who told me he was going to burn my house down allowed to keep playing then? And why is everyone I put a ticket in for still playing on?
: Shouldn't people who ban your preferred champions get a warning?
Yep, they should. It's toxic and it's guaranteed to lead to a fight. One day during Season 5 I wanted to play Fiora. In chat I said "don't ban Fiora". She was banned 4 of my 5 games that day. I finally had enough and told my last team that day that if no one dodged, I would AFK as soon as the game started. I did and went to the gym instead. Team had a 40+ minute loss. The boards are against warnings for banning teammate champs though because like Riot, they don't like any actual critical thinking and truthfully don't want the toxicity situation to ever improve.
: What's going on this season?
Autofill, Riot continuing to allow trolls to take over without consequence and snowballing.
1Rival (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fEWVyEJw,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-04-20T18:43:54.609+0000) > > This is my list of games I've played: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DXfqiP4cR_mF1ajdlmRmqMtyZLrE_lsGwCvvjO0uRp8/edit#gid=1180632855 > > Within 2 years, there's been hundreds of incidents. > > Start keeping official track of all your games, and I'll bet you'll no doubt have a lot more incidents than you remember. Holy cow.. I thought 250 games was tedious enough. But here, you kept track of essentially 1,000 games... Did you hand type the entire thing? I ended up losing my data due to a diskdrive failure, I should have made it on google docs... I think I'm going to start doing this again. From looking through your documented games, I filtered it down to only games with DC's or AFKS, and it came to 171 games out of 952 games. Which is 17.96%. This rate would be higher if you had actually documented the games at the start of this season. So I guess you're also an outlier, in terms of having the worst luck when it comes to having non-playing teammates. At bronze 4-5, I'm sure the games are pretty toxic as well. I definitely feel for you, and I am very appreciative that you have shared this with us.
>Holy cow.. I thought 250 games was tedious enough. But here, you kept track of essentially 1,000 games... Did you hand type the entire thing? I do it as it happens. Takes less than 30 seconds after a game.
: > My personal opinion is that they should be disabled for at least a week from ranked (maybe even 2 weeks) because ranked is supposed to be a serious game with champs that you've practiced for weeks/months . The point of Ranked is **it's a mode to try and beat others**. Normals **is a mode for fun playing**. Ranked is for winning. Normals are for fun. However, beyond that, _anything goes_. You can play off-meta stuff in Ranked. You can pick troll or weak champs in Ranked. You can use odd strategies and weird builds and everything else in Ranked. The beginning and end of Ranked is you get a higher return to show how 'good' you are at the game via your stats. I'm sure there's at least a few players who run around in Normals and could presumably do very well in Ranked if they tried. New champions, in the end, do not affect the principles of Ranked. Do you have to learn to play as them? Yes, just like any other champion. Do you have to learn to play against them? Yes, just like any other champion. The only difference for the new champions is just that, they're new. You will not have experience playing them or playing against them. However, that is not, and never will be, Riot's problem; it's a player problem and it has a player solution- banning. If you're confident you can play as the new champs well- you have no reason not to use them in Ranked. If you're confident you can play against the new champs well- you have no reason not to play against them in Ranked. Ultimately it's on you- not Riot or anyone else. If you want to ban something that POSSIBLY may be OP or POSSIBLY will cause your team members to feed instead of one of the KNOWN OP champs- that it on you and always will be.
>Normals is a mode for fun playing. No, it's a mode for trying to win, just with no consequences if you lose, aside from the usual reports.
Brytah (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Meteora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKdLns37,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-22T18:03:36.782+0000) > > Well, aren't you a negative Nancy. Regardless if that's true or not, I'd still like to hear the opinions from our fellow league players on the matter. They said before I believe that the reason they don't do this is for they can get data about the champions and see how they fit. Doing this allows Riot to see how OP, or weak, a champion is. They don't do this in the PBE because the PBE matchmaking system is way too flawed, while doing it in live games with Gold vs. Gold players is more even.
What great data was received from Galio's first week where I saw him played at 4 different positions to various levels of success?
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