: Upcoming Bounty Changes
I do not understand why use indirect things such as kills or CS since last death to determine bounties. Why not have bounties accumulate based on the gold difference to your counterpart on the other team. If I am top lane and I have a gold advantage over the enemy top laner I should get a bounty. I should NOT get a bounty if I died, farmed, but have not yet gained a gold advantage over my opponent. Snowballing snowballs itself. That is to say, getting a gold advantage makes it more likely that I will get an even greater gold lead. You don't need to throw bounties on players at a gold disadvantage, it is like double dipping the snowball. I kill you so I get kill gold, you're dead so you are not farming until you respawn, AND you had a bounty so now my gold advantage is a few hundred better than it would have been otherwise. I can understand that systems like this are in place to encourage players to play better, but do not forget that playing better on its own rewards you with more wins.
Gixia (NA)
: [So, somewhat good news.](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1105258312365297664) According to Scathlocke, they _might_ change Shyvana's bio, which means there's the chance it can still be fixed to restore her origin. Bad news is it wouldn't happen til May or June at the very earliest. It's not the concrete confirmation of 'yes, we will definitely fix this' that I want, but it's better than the reverse and gives me hope at least that Shyv's history might still be preserved. In the meantime, I'm certain some new outrage will come along, and people will move on from Shyv to whatever the new community outrage target of the day is (afterall, we'll probably have gotten Morde's rework by then), but still, to anyone who cares, don't forget about this. Whether you care about Shyvana's lore specifically, or trying to keep League's lore consistent in general, keep this moment in your minds, wait a couple months to see if possible changes arise, and get ready to get some pitchforks out if they don't. Don't settle for sub-par results. Demand better at every opportunity.
Ah! Finally some news on it. I was worried Scathlocke might have forgotten. Can't say I totally blame him for not being specific in a twitter post. Don't want to throw anyone at the workplace under the bus.
: Shyvana's new Bio is not only a downgrade of a decent piece of lore, but it's LITERALLY a mistake...
: > [{quoted}](name=GreatSirZachary,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NN16QyIy,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-06T23:34:41.497+0000) > > Alright then, new problem. If the bio we got is a slightly revised version of a bio we were always supposed to have when Galio was reworked it still means that without the mistake we would have an inferior bio 2 years ago. A bio with Shyvana's mother having no given motivation, Shyvana being a half-dragon for no reason (or a few paper thin reasons), not spending time traveling with her father as they fled from a dragon looking to kill Shyvana (a staple of her story since the start), not having her fathered killed while trying to save her. This last one is important because Shyvana follows in his foot steps of a self-sacrificing defender by becoming Jarvan IV's guard. By choosing compassion and empathy. I think the implication was that the decision to remove Shyvana's Dragon Father was what we were suppose to see 2 years ago, it seems that everything else Goulding saw still applied somewhat to the Bio WE got. It's just such a disaster trying to discuss a Bio we love being removed, when the Rioter in question has never seen this bio until now...
It has been 24 hours now. As far as I can see there hasn't been a follow up response.
: > Scathelocke claiming that someone not on the narrative team for some reason updated Varus' lore and wrote a flavor story without their acknowledgment. Wait what?>?{{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: Shyvana's new Bio is not only a downgrade of a decent piece of lore, but it's LITERALLY a mistake...
Alright then, new problem. If the bio we got is a slightly revised version of a bio we were always supposed to have when Galio was reworked it still means that without the mistake we would have an inferior bio 2 years ago. A bio with Shyvana's mother having no given motivation, Shyvana being a half-dragon for no reason (or a few paper thin reasons), not spending time traveling with her father as they fled from a dragon looking to kill Shyvana (a staple of her story since the start), not having her father killed while trying to save her. This last one is important because Shyvana follows in his foot steps of a self-sacrificing defender by becoming Jarvan IV's guard. By choosing compassion and empathy.
: **Can someone please explain to me, or link me to a comparison of, what her lore was before and what changes ppl are specifically mad about now!?** I'm newish to the game, and even more new to the lore, so I never got to see the old lore about her before it was changed. Thanks!! <3 > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZyiA08E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-05T21:24:35.288+0000) > > Riot mentioned having a non-humanoid champion in production and this new version of Shyvanas lore mentions that she actually has a sibling(as it said that Yvva waited for her other offspring to leave the nest until she began hunting Shyvana). > > Coincidence?I think not! > > > Granted this does not justify the removal of dragon dad. Yeah this sounds like something companies do when they have a new hero/champ coming out.....so that's probably why, but figuring out the why doesn't satisfy those who think it was a really bad change.
You can find the lore here: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Shyvana The 4th version was the older, better one. You can even look at version from even further back.
: Why was Shyvana changed? Can we get a real answer?
I am glad to see the outpouring of support. Sometimes it feels like you're the only Shyvana fan.
: This change to Shyvana's lore is a complete and utter disappointment, and here's why...
I said it once and I'll say it again. Straight up downgrade from what we had. The near end even goes to outright say Demacia has a conflict between its anti-magic ideology and its altruistic. Respect the reader's intelligence. Demacia's conflict has already been conveyed through character interactions and thoughts across the stories.
ChunLii (NA)
: Riot has been trying super hard to destroy Shyvana x Jarvan ship lately. First that Neeko flirt line to Shyvana without mentioning Jarvan, then Jarvan’s whole detachment from Shyvana in his own bio (they spent long time in the village together in old lore but in the new lore they never did), then this of course. I don’t understand, Shyvana x Jarvan was never canon but it had potential to be so like why would try to distant them so coldly like this. Let shippers such as me ship without making me feel like shit. And worse it also destroys a platonic relationship in the process.
Doesn't have to be a ship. People can be friends. It is true! Comradery and brotherhood among those who have fought for their lives together is a really real thing and quite natural.
AIQ (NA)
: Shyvanas Story
I am entrenched. I will not settle for a compromised story. Rumor has it might be related to the introduction of a champion (Shyvana's full dragon siblings?) but all that needs is a throwaway line in the old lore about Shyvana's egg being a part of a larger clutch. Done.
: Its such a shame. Every time I think they get it and understand that changing things intelligently is the way to go they come out with a pointless change like this. Like what does this really add to Shyvana? If anything it takes away things she already had. At least this isn't as bad as the Varus stuff. That had several comics and a fancy music video that basically cemented those changes in place. This will just take some text editing. If they wanted to change it, it would be easy.
Yes, I will settle for a ctrl-z on her bio and move on. Until then I will remain disappointed and angry!
: Dragon Dad, You Will Be Missed
I'm not happy. First we lost Shyvana's human mother, instead her egg was tampered with by a mage and that mutated her. Yvva wanted to kill Shyvana and her father wanted to raise Shyvana. Now we got this kidnapper who doesn't have a name, who I don't care about, who dies. Where is Shyvana's father? Where is the time Shyvana's father was killed by her mother? Where is the time she spent trading game in a Demacian town? This is a straight up emotional investment downgrade. They removed the explanation behind Shyvana being a half-dragon. We went from human parent and dragon parent to a mage tampering with her egg to make her a mutant, and THEN to no explanation at all. She was just kidnapped. Screw that guy. He's just a kidnapper. Yvva. What is up with Yvva? She LOST her motivation. First she goes after the stolen egg. Later she feels Shyvana is still out there and goes looking for her. At this point, presumably because she wants her child back. She goes and burns down anything between her and her daughter. I can understand the ire. She burns and kills Shyvana's kidnapper, understandably so. Yvva isn't trying to kill Shyvana for being a mutant here. As far as can be seen, she just wants her daughter back so she can be raised properly, like her other children that left the nest. The scene of the battle between Jarvan, Shyvana, and the Demacians has been downsized. What happened to the petricite building and petricite arrows that helped ground Yvva so Shyvana could fight her? What about the burning power of the fire rune in Shyvana that she dug deep into to draw out power from so she could RIP Yvva's heart out? This was a change for the sake of change that decreased investment in the character and removed side characters that helped with investing the audience. The narrative presented here? I would say I just didn't care about it, but it is worse, because I know there is a better version of this story. I am disappointed. I expect better because it WAS better.
: In addition to the Lux comic, there is also a novella focused more on the whole of Demacia as well that will be releasing in the future.
Ah yes, I had forgotten the novel was coming. Hopefully it has solid writing.
: This sets an interesting precedent. What does Riot do when a champion’s in-game appearance or abilities are no longer canon (due to lore progression)? Does lore freeze in time so as to avoid this? Does Riot rework the champion? Give them a lore-driven skin (will we one day get a King Jarvan IV skin?) Do they start releasing multiple iterations of Champions?
> [{quoted}](name=DarkSoul1994,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=iZE8hnge,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-26T03:20:15.012+0000) > > This sets an interesting precedent. What does Riot do when a champion’s in-game appearance or abilities are no longer canon (due to lore progression)? Does lore freeze in time so as to avoid this? Does Riot rework the champion? Give them a lore-driven skin (will we one day get a King Jarvan IV skin?) Do they start releasing multiple iterations of Champions? I don't think there would be much to do. Champions won't be killed so at the conclusion Sylas somehow escapes and continues to organize rebellion away from Demacia, much like in real history, so he can continue to be who he is. Riot doesn't have long-term arrangements with their voice actors to come whenever they want to update lines. I would not expect Jarvan to get a skin, but it would be cool. Multiple iterations of champions with different abilities will probably never happen. Visual updates are replacements rather than alternatives. Maybe in some future visual update Jarvan will be changed to reflect his new position as king.
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Meddler (NA)
: Direction being kicked around yesterday was increased damage to dragons to buff her as a jungler in particular. Ongoing topic of discussion as to whether that was the best way to go or not for 9.2 though. I'll follow up on scaling off Elder Dragons taken, hadn't realized that wasn't already in, not immediately seeing any reason it shouldn't be regardless of what else we do.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=eNgeL1Rb,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-09T16:56:53.722+0000) > > Direction being kicked around yesterday was increased damage to dragons to buff her as a jungler in particular. Ongoing topic of discussion as to whether that was the best way to go or not for 9.2 though. > > I'll follow up on scaling off Elder Dragons taken, hadn't realized that wasn't already in, not immediately seeing any reason it shouldn't be regardless of what else we do. Good to see that you'll look into having her passive work with Elder Dragons killed. However, I would like to point out that Shyvana's passive used to practically be base stats (now she fights to control an objective to get those stats) a long time ago and even longer ago she was a top/jungle champion and not a jungle exclusive. Shyvana's viable roles have narrowed to jungle only (partly enforced by her passive) and she ranks low among those in her role. Being that Shyvana has long had the ability to kill Dragon shortly after spawn (she has to clear the other camps still) and spawn times haven't changed the main outcome is Shyvana will have more health after sneaking first dragon. However, right after Shyvana kills first Dragon the honey fruit spawn or have spawned, allowing her to heal back up. So the results look identical before and after further increasing damage to Dragons. First Dragon buffs are stronger, but as a Shyvana player I care more about getting 2nd Dragon. At 2 dragons Shyvana breaks even with the effective health of her pre-rework human form. You can find the math on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/shyvanamains/comments/5e27w6/shyvanas_new_passive_because_a_buff_after_2/da9rtj0/ But I find the focus on killing Dragons so she can have a passive to be missing the point of making Shyvana better champion for League of Legends since killing dragon is a tactical goal for every team anyway. Other juggernauts and divers simply get their tankiness boost. Garen's W just works. Warwick's E just works. Thus, they can be tough enough to be juggernauts and divers.
: Honestly really disappointed you guys chose not to go for 4 options in the middle rune stat path row, it's sad champs like {{champion:19}} and {{champion:102}} can't get 18% attack speed at the cost of AD but mages that took precision secondary before can now get 20 AP without really giving up anything. Not having some small amount of % movespeed somewhere in the stat tree was also sad, but I suppose that makes more sense.
Yeah I was excited as a Shyvana player at first, but was disappointed that this results in no change for my early attack speed. And I had just switched to Precision-Inspiration for more attack speed early.
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: Save a mouse, improve right-click-holding
Agreed. I have been fighting with repeated strain injuries and it makes it pretty hard to play the game when your mouse hand hurts after just a few.
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: Summoner Showcase 121
Why not put this on the League Community YouTube channel? I can't fullscreen whatever player you are using.
: [CRASH] [CLIENT] Crashes During Champ Select
I too have experienced the same problem. Getting leave buster for a client crash on top of losing LP is frustrating.
Maikal (NA)
: Tryndamere Died during Ultimate from skirmisher smite - warwick ult.
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