: Why the game feels worse?
eh only shitty thing about this game is they made it Team depended you need at least 3 other good to decent team mated to get anywhere and unless your kill score is higher then anyone on the team not one person will Follow you or your pings. Also from what i have noticed players tend to treat there characters like there character and there own Life are linked and if that champ dies they die so they will not go in or attack. The most irritating things i hate are when the Tank is the First one in Line running back to base OR how they chill behind the Back line when the other side has not one Diver but all skill shots. Or when your back line waits till the Front line dies And then run in after there wall is broken. Or the Tank Champ on your team thinking there good when there score is 2/2/4 at 23 mins while mid is 6/9/10 Adc is 1/12/6 and Top 12/10/4 Jungle 3/5/12 and thinks he is good so he just LOls and lets the team take the burden of carry them. seriously i feel like these folks locking Support forget there job and just expect they only need to throw a few skills not hitting shit but just doing it assuming that's helping. Thats why i think we are see this spike in odd AP supports like Swain or Ahir
: new client login is AWFUL
while i get what you are saying i'm just going to say its a waste of time its not going to change just like some these folks said its going to keep trending this way till we are all done and over this game. I am waiting for them to make an Adventure mode/Rpg of this game next.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: I don't remember playing against Lulu because i always play her {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} But yes, i can remember playing against all of those. And pretty much all of them happened recently too
You are not even on the same Server. I mean Korean Servers still play {{champion:76}} in Low Elo
Keiaga (NA)
: I play against {{champion:41}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:98}} pretty recent actually.
we can see your match history bro.
: Do you remember these champs?
Oddly i have actually not played this game for a few days now. I am just going to ignore this game till Shaco is reworked then i will play for the whole 3 months before they nerf him back to nothing.
: Oh yeah! I totally get that! I’m just worried that she makes Neeko W useless
She dose but she adds alot of AP to your DMG skills so if you cant land the Stun and hit them with your ult then it will be GG try changing into the Jungle and walking at them from the side of the river with her on then use your clone and all in them and run. Its pretty much a Kill if done right.
: Yuumi and Neeko
There is still a Tactical skill still needed when you play with her as a support. Like Not diving towers and staying under them letting her die.
: > [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iHeFMl0J,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-24T15:24:23.235+0000) > > I think since the tank meta, riot has been cautious to only allow champions to be tanky for short periods of time, and that's with Stoneplate and Aftershock > > People in low elo act like they can still blow you up, but you're actually unkillable (for a brief time) and teamfights can be super structured and last a long time > > I think toplaners struggle to be tanks because you can't even approach the waves if you build tank, even Cho'Gath and Maokai with their sustain can struggle. Bruisers build a dmg/hp item first then tank up, and the damage item components are normally good for trading in lane > > Top lane feels to me like... I take a bad trade and I'm 200hp, lose plates, get ganked when I come back to lane... Top laners got it rough for real Tank meta was more fun than this crap tbh. You actually had room to outplay. Compared to now where it’s just an arms race to see who can 100-0 the other with as little counterplay as possible.
Ya the irritating thing is Some champs no matter how many times they die will still solo 3v1 after there 3rd Item. Like Yi or Jax. I just hate the Fact that the new meta Forces Jungles and Sup to choose certain Champs. Example The other teams jungle picks Yi well now I cant play Shaco or Kayne I have to play Someone with Heavy CC so he cant just solo my Team. And if that same Team picks a Darius or Garen Well unless my Sup also picked a CC its going to be a hard long game because you will have issues picking someone to aim because if that Yi is left alone he will kill everyone if you focus him Garen or Darius will kill you and Yi will kill everyone else. Back before when Yi needed at least 4 hits and 3 skills to kill you he would die after diving 1 kill leave the 2nd really low. Now he can dive and kill 3 and heal and ult away.
: Meanwhile, over in DOTA land:
if i remember Riot Programmers and anyone you would want to see this Dont use this site or Board. this is Just for players of the game. I remember reading that they got upset and couldn't hold back there tears and take player criticism so they used reddit now i believe and or Ask players with Challenger ranks/Streamers and that is why you don't see many Champions being touched by riot or you don't see but a handful of champions getting skins. Its however and whoever is there top Streamer/ Tournament winner. Faker for example if that dude said hey i fucken hate Zac you should Nerf him to the ground so he is no longer in the line up of playable champs well Riot would start nerfing him they did it to Shaco and {{champion:57}} and now doing it to Karma.
iiGazeii (NA)
: Because Prestige has nothing to do with who deserves a skin or how old the champion is. It literally only has to do with money. Popular champions that sell skins are who get prestige skins. They invest the extra time and effort into making a shiny version of the money-maker skin in an event because that's what's cost effective. Why do you think the vast majority of prestige skins are for female champions? Because boobs sell skins. Fizz got one because he was the star of the dog skins and he summons a giant cute dog. Thresh is going to get one because he's one of the most popular supports with a lot of mains. Same goes for Lee Sin. They aren't gonna make Prestige Maokai or Prestige Bard because they don't sell skins. Their mains are few and far between. Money is the only motivator here.
here is the flaw in your logic when a new skin is launched it tends to promote that champion example Teemo The day his devil skin dropped his Play rate shot up for that season. Its True its about money but it also not true the real reason is because Riot is lazy and most don't want to put in the effort or time to make a new skin. Ornn for example if they made a skin for him they need to change his Q and R artwork and that is why they don't want to do so. Same excuse they gave for Zac.
: Generally the OP is talking more about champs like {{champion:86}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:120}} ..... who can all generally do their job so well, even when unskilled, that team decisions ALWAYS revolve around them. If you get a Pyke..... he's just a background annoyance (imo) that makes you have to be conscious of your HP. When you get a Jax..... you generally have to think: If I trade him, is there ANY scenario where I can win without 1v5ing and him killing 1-2 of us in the process? Well ..... No..... he's got enough HP and Mag resist that my Mages can't eliminate him in a combo.... Well ..... No..... he counters my skirmisher and almost one shots after absorbing all my auto attacks..... Well ..... No..... he's got really low cooldowns and even lower now that he has {{item:3161}} Well ..... No..... My Tank can't escape him, and my Armor/Resist are too low to actually mitigate most of his damage. Well ..... No..... If Jax split pushes my turret, he's going to kill it in 1/3 the time most champs take due to his passive.
I get what your putting down on note of Jax I find if you avoid his Stun its GG for him however issue there is you either lose the kill as he will leap away sense he can leap on wards for some stupid reason. Or he simply outruns you because even if your speed matches his or you are 20 more then him he still runs faster then you. seriously i was shaco and had full on Boots and this Jax had no boots and still out ran me. I had a speed boost from crab in river and still couldn't catch him then he leaped over a wall and i passed on it because of his bot lane was mia while mine chilled and farmed there lane no lie they even took a warded drake while i was sitting at the back wall pinging mid and bot to close in. Love this game sometimes.
: How often have you been pissed b/c a champ was too tanky?
Truth I don't care how tanky a Champ is its only one that tank Champ is doing 3x the Dmg I do as a assassin that it irritates me example J4 jax atrox i don't like champs that can 100 to 0 your HP while there at 5% hp and you were 100% hp and they end the fight with you dead and them at 60% hp and farming. That makes me want to punch a hole through my PC because it shows that the champ has flaws that need to be addressed and that there are builds that make this champs Life steal way to OPEd
Manxxom (NA)
: When both top laners are fed
you forgot the shaco pop up to throw a Shiv in the stand off and tip the scales of the fight for himself.
MkLBR (NA)
: I don't give a shit about toxic people either, but his point is all these whackass unbalanced to hell champions make the toxicity rate go way up because they're not fun to play against or with. {{champion:555}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:114}} to name a few.
I will disagree with your picks as they all can be locked down. The only issues i see in this game are 3 {{champion:266}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:11}} . I say these 3 because there not at all easy to lock Down and Fizz is up there as well these guys when ahead can not be shut down like at all they will stay on top even if you kill them 15 times.
: I think that the 3 shot system, mini Janna Monsoon, and splash damage for turret shots is a little too much especially for the outer turrets. They already received the plates which I feel has greatly improved the laning phase. Plus in the early game towers actually do hit pretty hard and rarely can tanks take more that 3 shots without dying. You point out about tower diving with mid, jg, bot, and support. That is a lot of resources used to get a kill. In that scenario your jg and mid should be using that opportunity to do one or more of the following: get ahead in CS, counter jg and get deep vision, take a neutral objective like a herald, rotate and tower dive the top laner for a return kill, push mid to get tower plates. What I do agree/like is your idea that you can't poke for free (Teemo Q was your example). If you poke while in tower range, the tower gets an auto reset turret shot. Also the idea that when the enemy destroys a plate, the plate explodes and damages minions nearest the tower. There is a variety of ways to balance the explosion of the plate: radius of explosion, volume of damage, does the damage pass though, but I think that idea is worth exploring. I do agree though that towers in the later stages of the game should provide some benefit in defending. I do not think that they should be tougher to kill. They should provide more offense. I personally like the idea that inhibitor towers shots stack resist shred. So the longer a champion is tanking the tower the lower their resistances become, not just to tower shots but also all damage. This would require later game tanks and buisers to still have to manage tower aggro to an extent as it would now make them weaker to concentrated damage from the defending team. Again this could be balanced around how strong the shred to resistances are, does it cap. I would also like to see inhibitor and nexus tower shots apply a debuff to the strength of shields and heals on the target. What do you think?
even if they made it so when tower shots hit minions and added a Debuff that slows the Champion it hits not Dmg would help to control Range champs abusing the tower shots. And then maybe Riot can lower Dmg on some these AD mid assassin.
Asud (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=opkWX7yT,comment-id=00050002,timestamp=2019-02-17T00:04:25.398+0000 > > Sometimes I like to read posts like these then op.gg the poster, then I think about the promos that they've probably thrown of their teammates' when they go > > 4/10/8 on Syndra or 3/13/7 and 4/9/0 on Vlad > > I wonder how many peoples' games you've thrown and people have passive aggressively said, "damn if it wasn't for asud I would've gotten into Silver 1." yeah i tend to have terrible scores sometimes. But, i almost never bring that score out of the lane. On Syndra in lane i will recall 20 times if i have to just so i dont die. Only when the game starts falling apart do i make the desperation play, something i dont even think is gonna work but have to try because otherwise i am going to lose anyway. 4/9 vlad i remember that one i was against yasuo, i solo killed my lane bully once and was 1/0 then the game started falling apart and i kept trying to make a play but never got lucky or never had enough damage So that score i 100% justified. The next one with 13 deaths is against illaoi top. Since i am physically unable to beat her because im bad at dodging skillshots i was going even in lane maybe losing a bit on cs but nothing big. Then everyone died like twice so i figured i must make a desperation play all inned her and died. Kindred picked up a kill. What happened after is that Kindred almost carried the game with the kills she got cleaning up the people i got low first so i will justify that one also. I almost made the whole team come back by running in the enemy team making them use everything on me and nuking everyone to 50%hp or less. Now i didn't remember 4/10 syndra so i had to look at it. And of course its funny story. I solo killed Malzahar once and helped Lee kill rengar once. Died to Irelia who moved before riven did. So i was 1/1/1 not a bad start for Syndra. What happens next is Thresh isnt happy with his Yasuo adc, he comes to my lane and starts taking all the minions he can. I ask him not to do that to which he replied by running under the tower and giving kill to malzahar, Yasuo inted bot. Thresh inted mid and riven top. I tried to defend to the last minute since it was my promos of course and therefore my score. If you look at damage dealt if would be self explained to you since scores dont actually mean much. Also i ended last season in gold 3, preseason in gold 1 and now i cannot move out of silver because of how lucky i am and because i want to make my goddamn main to work whereas she couldnt work even with 3 buffs as she is the most useless champion in league.
here's the thing if you are on a bad team stop trying just sit in lane or near back tower only pick off kills. because of people like Pudge Who think your score was made the first 2 mins in the game and try to ignore the fact that you could of been the best player on your team which prompt after there gauged how bad your mates were to camp you. As i jungle main right now I do this often i will Op the group and find whoever is the best player on there team melt there mates 1 time and then camp there lane till lanes break. But i am finding the best and only Jungle Strategy is to Full clear gank top and then Camp bot as Bot in the meta is the only safe lane to gank and be able to guarantee a Kill or 2. The one thing i LOVE LOVE LOVE about this game is when jungle is first pick. Because when i lock in Shaco and my top lane auto locks in Teemo I know this game is about to be a joke and it get better when Bot locks in Twitch and his Support picks Brand while there team had Tris and a Nat sup. Always funny seeing teams with no CC but slow.
xelaker (NA)
: If turrets are gonna be worth a bazillion gold can they at least be less awful?
I agree But i feel Turrets should have a 3 shot system. Example of what i mean if the teams J4 wants to dive a tower for a kill with the help from the mid bot and sup and they jump on the adc at the tower the tower should have a push back effect added like Jenna's Ult. And if that tower hits you a 3rd time you explode. And die no matter your HP and it should have splash DMG so the Risk for diving is high and no one can just jump a tower without thinking it out and choosing who's getting the kill and they cant just stack up on you and the risk of all 5 players cheesing 1 lane is lower and Jungles cant just camp a lane. I also feel no ones skills should poke you behind the tower outside of loose skill shots. But click ones like teemos Q shouldn't hit you without him being hit in return. This will make it impossible to kill a tank at a tower but on the flip side if that tank is posted at tower all game you should be roaming anyway i feel this change would speed things up and force players to finally play there lanes right as pushing someone to there tower will become the objective you do not one to hit. And now folks will start focusing on CS and lane management. Should also work for Plating as well Everytime a plate is killed it should have a splash Dmg effect that kills the minion under it as its breaking. So you cant just rush plates you actually have to still play your lane. This will make laning alot more smooth and Jungles have more time to farm rather then be forced into early ganks plus it add a need for Demolish as it will clear Plates faster.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Nothing in that adjustment checks gameplay metrics. Just match results. So no, you are not understanding me very well. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/202811476 I do not see 14 shaco wins "in a row". I see a non consecutive set of 10 With 2 losses back in 8-18, not last week. After that your shaco looks like lwlwwwwlwwwllwlllllw so 10 to 10. I also don't see only Lee and Nunu in your recent losses. {{champion:3}} {{champion:19}} show up recently as enemy junglers you have a shaco loss vs. I do not know how to check mid lanes behaviors. Your WR on shaco is still 56% . Are you discussing an alt account or going off your memory of things with out checking the data first? If you just exaggerated for a dramatic effect that's fine so long as you don't ask me to treat it as fact.
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ytfVyKTf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T17:12:45.436+0000) > > Nothing in that adjustment checks gameplay metrics. Just match results. So no, you are not understanding me very well. > > https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/202811476 > > I do not see 14 shaco wins "in a row". I see a non consecutive set of 10 With 2 losses back in 8-18, not last week. After that your shaco looks like lwlwwwwlwwwllwlllllw so 10 to 10. > > I also don't see only Lee and Nunu in your recent losses. {{champion:3}} {{champion:19}} show up recently as enemy junglers you have a shaco loss vs. > > I do not know how to check mid lanes behaviors. > Your WR on shaco is still 56% . > > Are you discussing an alt account or going off your memory of things with out checking the data first? If you just exaggerated for a dramatic effect that's fine so long as you don't ask me to treat it as fact. that was 2 weeks ago then i took a break for half a week then back on i cant even see my old games past a week.
: You understand that people are matched together before they pick champions, right? And that everyone has bad games, lose streaks etc? > At this point i just play and give the team 5 mistakes once you past that at we fail to FF at 15 i just leave the game all together or just farm for kills if there team stays grouped i will just sit and wait till the game ends. Oh, now I just want you to stay wherever you are and play with those 7/12 Yasuo players, you deserve it as much as they
> [{quoted}](name=Posui Gart,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ytfVyKTf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-10T16:19:49.327+0000) > > You understand that people are matched together before they pick champions, right? And that everyone has bad games, lose streaks etc? > > Oh, now I just want you to stay wherever you are and play with those 7/12 Yasuo players, you deserve it as much as they you are not even on the same server why are you even commenting to me?
Kai Guy (NA)
: Because skill is assigned by comparing to averages. Below average players are given a rank that represents that because they show they consistently are that level of skill. Same for above average. The average player hovers in a range where they get impacted a lot by the folks who show up at high uncertainty. End of the day, they are representative of the average level of skill so that's why they are stuck. Its not off gameplay, its off mathematical concepts of probability and avrages. That's how Elo and MMR function. Rn=Ro+K(W-We) is the most basic elo adjustment formula, no part of it ever checks the gameplay. Just the results, W is the single variable built out of the game. Its from Match results. Win, loss, Draw (if the game has it) So WL is all that exists in league. So W is a positive value on wins, or a Negitive value on losses. Mismatches impact We, so when population is not able to support a close game you help protect raitings of low uncertainty accounts more. K is uncertainty, low data = faster move on the ladder so you don't have them constantly impacting the average player negatively. You will get bad games with unfair MM. You will also get shitty games with 100% fair MM. Humans are unpredictable and PvP gameplay is 100% driven by players. An example. If one day 90% of everybody woke up decided to only play yordles then hey you see a yordels meta. No matter what values they have, how nerfed they get, how buffed other options become. If the 9 out of 10 players don't chose non yordle champions the gameplay will involve yordles in basically every single game.
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ytfVyKTf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-09T20:32:06.940+0000) > > Because skill is assigned by comparing to averages. Below average players are given a rank that represents that because they show they consistently are that level of skill. Same for above average. > > The average player hovers in a range where they get impacted a lot by the folks who show up at high uncertainty. End of the day, they are representative of the average level of skill so that's why they are stuck. > > Its not off gameplay, its off mathematical concepts of probability and avrages. That's how Elo and MMR function. > > Rn=Ro+K(W-We) is the most basic elo adjustment formula, no part of it ever checks the gameplay. Just the results, W is the single variable built out of the game. Its from Match results. Win, loss, Draw (if the game has it) So WL is all that exists in league. So W is a positive value on wins, or a Negitive value on losses. Mismatches impact We, so when population is not able to support a close game you help protect raitings of low uncertainty accounts more. > K is uncertainty, low data = faster move on the ladder so you don't have them constantly impacting the average player negatively. > > You will get bad games with unfair MM. You will also get shitty games with 100% fair MM. Humans are unpredictable and PvP gameplay is 100% driven by players. > > An example. > If one day 90% of everybody woke up decided to only play yordles then hey you see a yordels meta. No matter what values they have, how nerfed they get, how buffed other options become. If the 9 out of 10 players don't chose non yordle champions the gameplay will involve yordles in basically every single game. SO if i understand what you are saying last week i won 14 games in row playing Shaco all the sudden i am thrown in matches with players that seem to know how i am going to clear were i am going to be and everyone i play locks in Lee or Nunu thats and i am getting locked with mid lanes that allow there lanes to roam to my jungle while we can clearly see it because of wards they stay hard struck on pushing mid and waiting for the 2v1 kill on them. Took my 90% win rate on shaco to 0 in 4 days thats because of the metric matching?
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: We're testing a range of things. Sharing below, please note these aren't confirmed and wouldn't necessarily all ship even if they did work out. We haven't done full power testing for example so this is a list of things being tried NOT a proposed change list. Goal is for both AD and AP Shaco to be well supported builds with each having a distinct playstyle. P * Bonus damage on targets you're behind or that are feared * Passive attacks can crit * Deceive benefits from passive to some degree Q * Stealth to 2.5-3.5 by level * Lower CD, CD doesn't reduce if triggering Deceive's bonus damage * AD ratio down, bonus damage can crit though * AP ratio removed E * Deals magic damage instead of physical * Bonus AD ratio in addition to AP ratio * 50% increased damage on enemies below 30% instead of 0-50% increased damage by enemy missing health R * Boxes trigger immediately and fear duration is 1.5s flat * Explosion damage reduced
Sense we are all dropping our 2cents in on shaco I would like to say he should get a rework all together. If you are trying to fix him then try picking a theme and sticking with it. One thing I’m seeing is all the champs that are top pick have one theme that all there skills work off of. Yasuo is wind there for he has a wind wall makes tornados and glides past targets. Shaco invis Clone poison fear he has 4 that do not blend it’s just a odd kit of whatever we could think of. So let’s say we go for a poison assasin theme his passive should stay like it is but his E should not have 50%dmg to 30% targets instead have a slow and work with the poison idea make it so that as your hitting the target they become weaker or they go into a fear like stance due to to much poison intake. With his Boxes allow that to also ally a toxic fear like poison that just makes the shiv one stronger and increase its effects. And as for his R I like the clone idea but it irritating with all the bugs that follow it like not being able to control it properly. I think you should just turn shaco into a bomb and just have him explode from his ult fearing everyone in the area for a set duration and or adding a strong poison on them like{{champion:17}} shrooms.
: Jungle should just get changed to exactly how it was season 6. Did anyone have any issues with this time?
YES Lanes like mid and bot did due to junglers like Twitch who needed at least 2 kills early to run the map. Issue was that jungles could well do there jobs and gank early. and only be 1 level behind but that means that lanes would have to put in work to not push all the way to there enemy tower. However thats to hard to ward so Riot said ok we will just lower exp in jungle and raise all the jungle items price while dropping clear gold. I am a shaco player. Which back in season 6-7 i would clear jungle get 1 or 2 kills then shop and get 1 {{item:3077}} and {{item:3672}} However now that takes 1 full clear and 3 kills plus both river crabs just to get the same 2 items. Issue with that is if they want to destroy jungle only thing you need to do is skip the buffs and kill there wolves chickens or Krogs. no lie you do that and you pretty much end the other jungles games because if they can not get at least 4 kills before 5mins then its GG you will have an easy game. Riot killed the fun in there game by only making Mid a lane even somewhat fun to still play.
: Krugs and Giant birds changes killed jungle diversity
Purple smite was an issue in lane i think it let champs like Yi Shaco and udyr solo push lanes from first tower to base in seconds. remember so long as mid lane bitches riot will roll over for them
Senamz13 (NA)
: 3 Forgotten Champions
there not going to buff shaco ever i mean when you look at what they did they reworked him then nerfed there rework then reworked again then nerfed his AD then everyone started going AP so they nerfed his Es ap and wiped it all away and made it only AD then nerfed its AD and took away % to health while adding % to health on 3 other assassins and note all this is on top of all the Bitching that shaco mains all over the world where saying he wasn't strong enough so they said ok well we will just kill him all together its funny really because shaco use to only be able to clear red chickens wolves and blue and then gank now you have to take attack speed runes and CD in order to clear jungle and even with that you get to crab and you have 80 hp while there jungle is at full Hp and cleared all his camps. My point is if they had to nerf a champ that much then they have no care are want for that champ anymore they lost 10 streamers that i know of because of what they did to shaco.
: Patch 9.16 notes
Patches like this Make me think why keep it and not just remove it all together. The nerf to Biscuit i don't get it everyone will just stop locking that rune in and 3 patches from now these dick heads will come back saying sorry we nerfed it so much no one wants it and change it again or nerf the new rune they take.
: He needs to be reworked. His boxes are still problems, his invisibility makes him WAY too annoying in the early game to be good. You can't buff his early game due to him just being the most bs champion in the early game, you can't buff his late game since his invisibility makes him to good he can easily get a kill then run or split push without anyone stopping him. He needs a good early to have a good mid game since he is a jungler. His gameplay pattern is just too toxic right now and something needs to change.
So I’m going to tell you just why you are just bad at the game. 1 his Qs crit back stab is bugged and will not go off on the first strike but the second which gives a good amount of time to stun are flash away. Which is why most shaco players wait till you use it or make a mistake so if you are caught it’s because you didn’t ward. Or ignored pings. Second you can see his smoke in Fog of war. If you are chasing him and if you have champion target only on and he tries to Q because of there rework there’s another bug that he doesn’t go invisible right away on the Q hit there for your champion still sees him as a target in front of them so at that time any item effect or skill still hits him same issue happens with flash. It’s and big issue for champions like Zed shaco kayn they flash but leave behind that same copy of themselves that take full dmg there for why they die even after flashing. Or are hit even if they flash or dodge. But what that means is your champion will still follow the path that shaco is running which completely takes away the point of it. Also his ult still don’t apply rune effects there for it’s easy to still pick out the real also your champion will if once again you have champion only target on and just hit A enter will attack the real shaco that is also a bug. With shaco rework riot made 6 bugs in his kit that undermined his whole kit. So ya shaco needs a buff and they need to fix him. But they will not because shaco undermined there entire game he makes a joke out of any and every new champion they make. His old kit today would have him running the map. And stuck in perma ban.
: You're all abusing the surrender feature
Let’s talk about how 1 person out weighs the vote of 4 at 15 mins while 4 out weighs the vote of 1 at 19 mins
Velasan (NA)
: I would be curious to see some real numbers as to whether the game is declining. I mean, I feel that way sometimes, particularly with the game quality this season, however, I've yet to see any actual evidence that's true. For me personally, the game was about at it's best in Season 7. That's not even nostalgia speaking, some of my champs weren't even all that great during s7, and I started in s4 during the Rengar and Khazix era. At the time though the game could still get messed up for a week or so during a bad patch, but then it felt like that would get fixed by the time the next patch rolled around. Now it's like the whole game is just always on that one bad patch that never seems to end. The game is playable, but frustrating and not as fun. I would rehash why that is, but I think everyone has done it to death by now including myself in a number of posts. Riot seems to have their own idea of where they want the game to go and are glued to it.
If I remember when I first started when thresh was first launched Q times in Rank where like a split second I would lock in a game before I get to finish runes or get Firefox to launch to read up on the champion I wanted to play. Now there’s a timer and at least a min has to pass. I also noticed they got rid of the loading screen that allowed you to see there ranks and often players make plays beyond there rank so I’m kinda skeptical to if they did this to promote Boosting and allowing streamers to play in lower Elos to promote there game as simple to pick up and play. It’s easy to play a new champion if your playing with new players.
: This is a Bit off Topic but we need Some Balance Change to Twisted Treeline, It has been 4 years and 7 days since the last balance/Map rework. We need something done on that map to bring back the player base for it. Dominion was scraped for Ascension
Brah give up on that map They made clear they don't care for it or about it. Or any game mode outside of the normal rank system.
: I feel like you're exaggerating a lot. Also dodges have their purpose in higher elo.
Dodges happen in all elo. This game works off a % system and you have a good chance to get a better team if you dodge or you might get stuck with your Trolling set. That they expect you to Carry. Because every team needs to be 50 50 even if that 50 50 is really 60 40. Easy example if you lose 4 games in a row you are on the low end so you will get matched with 3 good players and 1 bad assuming you as the 2nd bad one. While if you win 4 games in a row you get matched up with Trash so every team works like this WIn Win Loss Loss Loss vs WIN WIN WIN Loss Loss. What I have found is the 2 losses or wins are almost always Mid and Top if you are lucky to get one the as Jungle or ADC you can still win But if there Mid and top Together its a waste of time. And so they dodge. Unless you are a top main then you DODge with a bad Jungle and Bot.
iPrawn (NA)
: The promo games do seem to be harder than non-promo games... the OP isn't wrong about that. I was 30 wins, 3 losses until I hit one of the larger promo games (one of the 5 game promos to go to a higher elo), and immediately I went into a 3 game lose streak, then easy win to re-trigger the promo a second time, in which I won, lost, won, lost, and then won.. so I got promoted. But still, that's 5 losses, more than all the losses I've had in like my past 50 games. And this isn't the first time... I've seen this many times before during promos, especially the bigger promos. In the past this used to really mess with me, and I'd change my strategy thinking I was doing something wrong. But now I know it's just rigged during promos, so I've learned not to change my strategy or change anything just because of having lots of losses during promos. So don't downvote people who believe promos are rigged. They are not wrong. And knowing it's rigged has been one of the big things that has helped me climb, because by knowing it's rigged, I know not to change my strategy, because I know the losses aren't my fault and changing my champ pool or whatever isn't going to help.
Its Most likely Riots People that Down Voted or just there Trolls. This is still there platform So they can still Do underhanded shit here
: ***
No you cant you can win better with a bad jungle as the jungle is your early game push while support is your late game push. sense your support most likely will be with your mid and adc all game after lane faze.
: If anything, it is too easy to climb this season. There are far more players in plat and diamond this year than any previous years.
Thats a bald face lie i can see why you would say that being a non ranked player. IF you look up my History in game my last 2 games show you are lying it was in my promo and first game in I get stuck with a ash sup note that was the last and only game she played that day odd right? look her up she has a few supports she had high win rates on and chose that very game to go Ash support? The very game of my promos. Next game I took Ornn because i knew this game was going to dick me over. Got a {{champion:39}} bot locked in adc spot She made it her mission to assist the other team. I just don't think they planned on me being able to solo 3 leaving 2 more for Fizz we could of soloed the game alone. But the fact that both players oddly only played that very game and no other game after and to top it off they both had no rank before that game no history nothing in other seasons. Ya this game definitely is trying to push back harder then forward. Key thing is just to stay calm and don't rage game is seriously not even worth being taken serious anymore its just like EA and all the others you pay and you win example buy a boost or go to there many heavly promoted guides drop 66 on it and watch your win rate turn around or buy alot of skins because then they will match you with starters to get them to want to buy your cool skin this game is butt!
: The so called "seal" sister
IF she became a Champion we at least already know her skill set her Q will be a Root that changes into a Shield that gives her HP based on The % that never adds up right. Her W will be a Belly attack that bounces up everyone in a area. Her E will Link onto a target slow them root them and she will then jump right to them smashing into them. Her R will Be skill that allows her to seal away some of her hp that once she hits death it comes back up and she revives with that ever amount was stored away. Her passive will be whatever counters the other 3 and she will be relevant till they make the next and nerf her to Ornns level. She will be a Big Donkey.
: Ornn's Q (Volcanic Rupture) Blocked By Yasuo's Windwall
Truth be told Ornn in General should be Yasuos Counter Brand as well As Fire is Boosted By wind. Also Ornns R is a Ram that suppose to Break mountains you would think sense its a Ram it would Run right through His wall. I get what your saying but thats like asking why Ornn can still be stopped or pushed back while casting W when it clearly says he cant. I personally think they don't care about Ornn only because of there Nerfs to him that made him unplayable. My thing is The man had a shield that made up for how slow he was and the odd Delay on his E to his movement. If a champ moves slow I believe they should be given a something to protect them from Divers. But watching Ornn get slowed by nasus and you hit him with your Q thats slow has been decreased for some reason. And your R that i believe also was Decreased. or the Knock up that was also decreased On both breaking the bolder and hitting the ram. This champ is just fun to look up But not at all good anymore.
: [GAMEPLAY] When I use ornn's ult it flies across the screen
Addam (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfalisk318,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NAQInIgu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-27T16:27:59.687+0000) > > Could'a been a Mundo, who, with the recent buffs, basically cannot lose in ARAM. oh actually, that too, I think we probably just had a bad team comp for nasus honestly
> [{quoted}](name=Addam,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NAQInIgu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-27T17:05:59.618+0000) > > oh actually, that too, I think we probably just had a bad team comp for nasus honestly Don't think there is a good one. No matter how you play it out you will need 2 or 3 to fight him and you will still need to worry about his team. So unless you have 2 that can solo 4 its a done deal he will stack and nothing you can do.
: Why don't you just get it over with and demote me
truth be told if you are locking into sup every Q and you ranked up using Support then you pretty much ranked up out of luck. On the backs of others Sup is not a good game changing role as Jungle and Mid are kinda also support roles that make Bigger differences. I've also found leaving behind my bot lane adc to assist the jungle and mid more wins games more. But the biggest issue with this game is that everyone believes kills and CS says you are winning and are pro and tend to aim them and hinder there team only to become the main target and die while holding all there teams gold. I cant tell you how many times i have seen Yasuo's snatch up kills only to dive 1v5 and give that bounty gold to whoever and rage on the team for not being able to run from Dragon pit to the other teams base. Or I as Zac or shaco carry and hunt down who ever is the most fed shut them down take baron and call for a mid push only to watch my top laner push top alone while there all up just playing around till they box him in. Then i watch them run in 1 at a time or everyone turtles with baron buff. This game didn't give players enough Directions on how the game works. Before unlocking rank that's in my option is the biggest issue with these kinds of games you don't have Direction sure you can go look up a guide but you don't really understand them till you hit silver 1 for the first time. Also there Need to push a game to its end is also an issue. They have been actively working to end games as they start you could tell that from this past urf if you were able to kill a tower plate it was the biggest achievement you could get. But Look at some these champions stats a Jax can go 0/9/0 all the way till 25mins and boom end game if he don't solo it he will even out that loss. He will still pop out 1k shots like he wasn't shut down early. Put then you have someone like Ezral who would be useless all game or Ornn Or zac and a few others. Nasus is the worst piece of trash in this game in my personal Opinion he makes it so you have to win in 30mins or its gg. The dude has a build that would allow him To pretty much solo push a lane to end a game. Dude can be 0/21312312/0 and still 2 shot your adc because no matter what you do he will gain stacks if not early late. And with a slow that last long enough for you to root Stun hit him with ashes ult and oddly still be slowed just coming out of it but wait his CD is over by the time the effect is close to ending Wam dead ya its a joke i have been in gamed were I destroyed Nasus up top for top laners as Shaco and Zac only to watch him Destroy our base on his own because it took 3 to 4 of us to fight him with the loss of one of our Dmg dealers. And we still had 4 more of them as he 2 shotted towers.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GritsNGravey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddE52UNy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-04T15:44:41.033+0000) > > 1 I said same kit i have no clue why people try to form a fight out of everything you named 2 out of the 4 why? what else did i add there? heal? life steal? shield? but you only picked out bursty? i said burst i don't have a clue were you got bursty at. So if two champions have a shield or a heal or life steal they are immediately the same champion? There are not enough mechanics in the video game to demand that kind of diversity. Every champion has its own theme that the kit has to fulfill. Every champion fulfills this and when the in game fantasy is no longer realized the champion receives a rework.
ya so like i said before i showed 5 you only seem to see 2. If 2 had similar kits its w/e but almost all of the champions are the same. SO what would you do? Not make a new copy and paste of the last right? There are loads of ways they could make it better it was better. You miss the point of the Discussion. They are doing what WOW did and they will soon die like WOW. Here's and example WOW released Lich king expansion and at this point dropped a new class when they did that class was a mix of 3 same as what this games doing. Now when they did that it was so hard to balance the game because when they first made it every class had its own Value that it brought however when you mix them and make a hybrid you now need to Balance the other 3 because the one dose everything they do all at once. It the reason WOW didn't make another class till Monk and made sure it was not to similar to the other classes also why only certain races could be certain classes. Now with this game they are just dropping champ after champ not understanding that they are making older ones that players grow up with not playable. hints what WOW did only Difference being you put days to years into one class on WOW for all your work to be wiped away with a patch. Well these guy are going to keep patching game after game and never get a balance because of Uncreative champions and outdated ones. Best example i can give for this is ZAC when they dropped scuttle crabs HE never and i mean Never could get one unless he was in a game with a trash match up or good team. Even now it takes to much to get one and the risk is so high. You need to pick up blobs which is hard when you need to chase the objective. Shaco you can get 4 items and 1 Dragon without your R will take you all the way down to half HP soloing it. While WW Shy YI JAX J Vi and many others can solo it at 2 to 3 items and walk out with above if not Full HP. All I am saying is i have 2 kids this Game is an easy pick up put down and the Exact method and way they are going this game will die the min something new shows up. Sucks but this game will end soon you can see it with all the bitching every patch the increased Q times i use to get like a second to look at the TV before it Q up. I go to O.GG look at my past where i once would play 6-10 Different Champions is now down to 4 you can see how every season the amount of champions everyone played Decrease and not by 1 it was like 3 4 5 that's a clear sign that you are doing a poor job at managing your game.
Rioter Comments
Parznip (NA)
: My Hopes For Fiddlesticks's Rework
only thing i feel this guy should be strongly based around his crows. Like a crow Shield with a flock of crows flying around him like Mords old shield skill. And when he autos with it up they all get sent out as his attack like the Animation with Him and Twist fighting. I also think his Ult should be similar to Noc and add a little assistance to others like him and Darken then map even root him in the ground while its happening and allow him to control his crows in an area lets get unique with this rework and shock his main player base. If you guys are trying to make him more of a Jungle/ Sup I feel his crows Should attach to someone or a Hill wall near by like a passive and allow vision or they should randomly find gold or items as he levels just saying he should more accurate to his theme. Unlike a lot of your champions. That make no sense like how is one of Zyra's skins Fire when she is all plants? Make Fiddle like an actual Scare crow he shouldn't be able to get wards just crows if there is anyone in the champion line up that should be a master of vision and map awareness it should be Fiddle sense him and {{champion:50}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:143}} All use Nature and or Crows to Communicate. Even {{champion:117}} uses Pixies but they stay close to her so no so much her. But the others should have a unique way of warding for enemies and actually speaking i believe {{champion:57}} kinda dose already but the only Champ with a legit skill that's like what i was saying they should all have is a ADC {{champion:429}}
: So, I guess we're just ignoring the fact that Tahm can no longer support?
This guy could never be jungle. And never should the min he gets his ult or if you take smite/ Tele. All of you would be right back here bitching about how this man is all over the map eating everyone. Dude could easy clear the whole map by ganking top bot and mid at the same time. And for how slow jungle is I don't know if people know how busted alot of tank jungles are now with them forcing jungles to have to either fail early game ganks and fall off to nothing or become a tank and snow ball the hell out of team mid to late. Its actually funny some times when i play Zac jungle i stack whatever speed runes i can and just keep slinging in to lanes. so long as my lanes aren't brain dead the enemy team becomes so tilted from raging on there jungle that i just catch there jungle outside in the river For a talk or just go top. No lie i have had game where the jungle tried counter ganking lanes i ganked only for me to run top. never fails at level 4 go bot gank 2 times and then farm there jungle will go bot to counter your gank assuming you will show if they countered you. Then just got top he will back track to mid and then top or look in your bot jungle either way he will make his way top. at 5 go right to dragon like i said unless your teams brain dead this works all the time. The way riot broke this game is crazy its not even player vs player its more of a game of Tag in the jungle who gets what first before the other jungle.
mack9112 (NA)
: Did he just say ivern is bursty and comparible to pyke?
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddE52UNy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-04T14:00:45.766+0000) > > Did he just say ivern is bursty and comparible to pyke? 1 I said same kit i have no clue why people try to form a fight out of everything you named 2 out of the 4 why? what else did i add there? heal? life steal? shield? but you only picked out bursty? i said burst i don't have a clue were you got bursty at.
Rioter Comments
TheIvyX (NA)
: There's SO many other game modes to actually enjoy the game instead of the stress-inducing Ranked/Normal games on Summoner's Rift. Including Nexus Blitz, [there are other game modes Riot could have on the side](https://lol.gamepedia.com/Portal:Game_Mode) such as: - All Random Summoner's Rift - Ascension - Black Market Brawlers - Dark Star - Singularity - Definitely Not Dominion - Doom Bots - Hexakill - Hexakill: Twisted Treeline ...you get the point. Sure, there are reasons as to why some of the game modes were just a one time thing, but that doesn't give reason as to why there isn't a rotating game mode. Come to think of it, there used to be an option for a Rotating Game Mode as the 4th option when choosing between the modes. I remember it being locked for so long I guess they decided to remove it instead of putting one of the said game modes above. ...why they would do that is beyond me aside from financial gains or something along those lines.
You guys Miss one big point. If you are going to play Custom games you are less likely to buy Skins. And as a New player it would take you at least a year of playing before you caught wind of Custom games. And that is if you didn't Already leave. I think there afraid of becoming War Craft 3. That game Destroyed its self adding custom map games. Dota Took over it and became bigger then the original platform. I mean these guys could simply fix alot of there worries By making an Anime or movie tying these champions story lines together. But thats my 50 cents.
: Ranked is rigged
I will only agree due to this games Many champion choices I personally believe if you are going to make a Game that has Champions that are suppose to have Different Feels and then patch in the Force you to have to Pick Certain builds. Really takes the Many Champion Selection seem pointless and with how the system matches you up its also BS i took couching for example and every time we due he would always tell me to throw me winning streak close to my promo so that it wouldn't Match me with players on a losing Streak but rather ones actually Not trolling. I use to always find it odd that when i got to silver 3 I would match up with Gold players that always Fed or Left and they would always say the same thing (HAHAH i love KEEPING LOW ELO LOW) now i felt like that was just someone making excuses for how bad they did but the pattern was always the same I hit silver 3 and stay there till end of the season or i Due with whatever team that I did good with and i would hit silver 2 and get to 90Lp hit that promo and boom Failed promo game 1 one lose the others and then boom loss loss loss and the odd thing is we would be so close to a win But like clock work the main carry lanes Mid would not call MIA TOP would afk Farm but never push past first tower. OR jungle will ignore Objectives I found it hard to believe i was still playing a game. I've ended games with 0/0/0 before because if i attempted to snag someone as support the others would start backing off and then like magic the one i snagged would turn on me all in me with little to no hp and his team would pop up and try to close me in note while the adc mid or top or jungle would then sit at tower. OR when i play Jungle somehow they would counter my pick before i picked I stop picking till my timer came up because like clock work i was countered before every picking or they banned my pick. Shockingly you see the major Rise in all the let me help you Guides all the Booster messages flooding your in game DM around the same time the rank system somehow started pushing back harder I believe there's even a guy that did the math and broke this games rank system down and how its broken and works against the player to keep you low because well i figured that's where people keep playing when you get above Gold and start getting 25 min Q's or you find out all the win trading you tend to leave so i'm sure this was made to keep you from rising so that you keep playing.
: I like how you think all these people are scripting, with no evidence other than your opponent is outplaying you. You played me in urf, and I was using Xerath and immediately told me "nice scripts". I then proceed to flash malph ults and ori ults, and because you go on a witch hunt and accused me of scripting, others in turn say I'm scripting. At some point, you have to realize you're in bronze. Just because you see someone else make nice plays, does not mean they are scripting. Yeah I understand there are scripters, but you are not in a position to call them out yourself when you do not know what to look for. You need to stop this crusade because its players like you who are not helping the game.
Wait so let me get the Logic being used here right. You are saying that me calling you out on using Scripts has Gotten people i Don't even know or know me. Calling you out? I mean if others believe you are and me never calling you by Name. Might just be that you are Scripting Sorry bud also to say I am not in a position what is the Qualifications please add that in your reply. Also my rank is Iron not Bronze have been Iron for the past 3 years And to say i don't know what to look for was also funny like there aren't 10,000+ videos showing what to look for no lie go to Youtube and type it in. Brah you got called out for what you do take the L and get better instead of using scripts. Its Truly Funny because in the Original post i said you don't even need to call them out by Name they just come and start defending there use. i have been told i was scripting didn't defend it at all because at the end of the day they will check to pattern and do there own work. You however seem really upset and defensive all i am saying is don't get mad at me because you got caught.
: Patch 9.8 Notes
I love how it says We want to buff Ornn Like hes still playable. My thing is i no they only focus on Champions based on how there used in High elo. But in low elo were you Built up Champs like Nasus that have a Q that can 2 shot a full Tank Ornn. Sense he cant possible get away from a slow that is off CD before the slow actually ends. Ya like wtf was going through Riots mind when they made a Champ that now takes 4 to kill with the loss of one. (Only in low elo) You guys need to look at your game as a whole and not just high up the chain players. Because some these buffs and nerfs make no sense. Ornn may be tanky late but whats the point when crit is so high that that armor is as strong as 1 turret plate. I have been tricked out full geared and killed in 3 hits by Yi and or Nasus when i use to be able to force them to run or at least stall them till a teammate showed up to claim the kills. Tanking in this game is favored by how much DMG you can do along side how much you can take.
Yenn (NA)
: Why am I encountering scripting players with hundreds of games at Diamond?
whats Crazy is I knew a person that did script till his main was perma banned and he made an off account all of which i tried was curious to how scripts worked or helped. Too my shock i ran a whole game with only 2 deaths and 26 kills and 3 assist on Shaco. I didn't need to go invis plan on where to drop a box nothing all i had to do was get close and hit space bar. After that round i was kinda over this game i still play on my main but I see scripting players left and right hell URF you can see how many unranked accounts and clearly tell there scripting simply saying ya i seen that im saving and reporting too. At random watch how which one Quickly Responds with excuses you don't even need to call anyone by name they get scared they are being called out for cheating that they tell on themselves. Its so sad but this game i use to love playing is just Trash Too many Champs that don't make sense and the newer ones are making others seem outdated and useless like the fact that 3 new champs have had Hard gap closeres/stun/knock up/burst/slow all in one skill and you have champs like Sol who can afford for you to get in his face. The guy now has like 1009089 counter champs. He is Strong but will need serious rework to follow the Direction there going. I bet the next new champ has a skill that destroys the map and ends the game at level 6 or can jump from base to whatever low hp champ and gains 300% crit one shot skill.
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