Thak1ng (EUW)
: Honor 3 and instant 14 days suspension
Based on your chatlogs i don't think you know what the words "chill" and "cool" mean...
Ray 701 (EUW)
: Daniel Z. Klein not working for Riot Games anymore
Maybe now riot can move in a positive direction instead of trying to mask discrimination with more discrimination.
: I've had an opinion about Nasus ever since I first started playing him years ago. There are two types of Nasus players. Selfish gits who build Trinity Force and lose True Nasus players who build Iceborn Gauntlet and win It's actually very interesting to see it happen game after game. The key to this, I think, is that Iceborn players have a mentality of "I am an unmoveable wall for my team. I will hold these bastards down and feed my team gold." Tri-Force players meanwhile are obsessed with getting kills and doing big Q damage. Another important note to hit on is the difference in movement abilities of the items. Trinity force speeds Nasus up enabling him to chase- but what of his team? Iceborn meanwhile slows enemies, allowing Nasus _and his team_ to keep up with his target. People always want to focus on his fighting power but seem to forget his team utility. Reducing armor for your adc/assassins is great, and withering an assassin trying to go after your backline is superb. But nah, "gotta get those Q chunks." I don't play Nasus often any more because I get bored with winning streaks and I want to learn new champs, but my kit "essentials" were almost always {{summoner:3}} {{summoner:6}} {{item:3025}} . I took a break for a couple years and if I were to Nasus again I'd probably still do those, but maybe add in a {{item:3742}} or a {{item:3800}} .
The key here i think is the "took a break for a couple years" part. Nasus has in the past been objectively better with iceborn (mostly when iceborn was just better than it now.) At the moment Trinity is better in most situations, but against full ad comps, then iceborn is a perfectly fine option too. And you need to have tp + flash or ghost. Personally I think flash is just way better than ghost, but some people still run ghost. Also being a selfish git is a playstyle, not a buildpath.
: > [{quoted}](name=Child of the Pit,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EWbh9Uka,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-18T15:06:28.469+0000) > > Nah, Intro bots is even better Intro bots should show what bronze 5 is like
> [{quoted}](name=5000000000000000,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EWbh9Uka,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-18T16:52:49.619+0000) > > Intro bots should show what bronze 5 is like it already does. Minus the flaming.
: Bard is going to be nerfed so hard next patch...
Honestly I'm kinda fine with damage nerfs to bard if they would just make his shrines not just a speedboost late game. My idea is having them scale with his chimes. But just increasing the heal late would be fine. And I don't run celerity anyways so its not too bad.
: How do you get the mentality necessary to play ranked with trolls?
Only thing you can do is stop caring about the outcome of a single game so much. The more you care = the more you tilt = the more you lose/go on lose streaks = more tilt. Its a painful cycle. Just shove trolls out of your memory and move on.
: Do people play the champs they complain about?
Well im m7 with fizz and think anyone who plays him should be perma'd.
: What do I do when my adc becomes toxic
I'd leave and gank top/mid and help the jungler. That kind of adc isn't going to carry anyways so might as well get someone else fed.
: ARAM MUST BE HOTFIXED NOW NOW NOOOW ! Please !
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Xc3yA84F,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-07-25T19:04:14.212+0000) > > Of course I myself had to abuse , not had to but it just happened , got {{champion:92}} in aram , used {{summoner:39}} and dashed through enemies and used half of my kit vs 5 enemies and deleted them , for me I see it normally , but enemies see nothing , they only realize that suddenly they can't move and their HP is gone Its not quite that bad, but it is pretty shitty. Talon is the worst offender that I've seen so far.
: I don't think I've ever seen the player morale this low
All they need to do to fix the game is give a 500 range dash to all of morde's abilities. Bam the meta is fixed, esports is rejuvenated, and there's an influx of new players. Also toxicity and trolling drops to 0.
: I've noticed that most people who say ranked is trash are Silver or Bronze
: Think ABOUT IT: you were a doctor who saved more than 100 life. One day, you got a bad mood and killed a man with a gun and a bullet, yes just one bullet. so .....
I really wish people could come up with actually decent analogies rather than just equating 20-ish lines of bad language and insults to murder and felonies. Like does that make sense? I don't mind if you disagree with me, just do so with a little logic please.
Kei143 (NA)
: Did you know that asking / threatening for reports is considered toxic as well? Though its severity is classified as minor, it still builds up and counts towards your punishment.
Riot has stated several times that that is not the case. At least the asking part. I suppose threatening is reportable in any situation, but asking is not.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grokmir the bold,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=w73pgdZX,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-11T18:35:06.049+0000) > > The problem is that one toxic game is enough to to get punished, so even though I was honorable in multiple thousands of games and have never been punished before, I lose it all from a single mistake. > > Be honorable in 99% of your games and you can get honor 5, but that 1% toxicity is enough to get you punished. > > And in my case the percent is even more skewed. "I havent committed a crime once in my life, so on my 75th birthday i should be allowed to rob a bank"
If you really want to criminalize people for 30 ish minutes of slightly bad behavior, then by all means go ahead. I, on the other hand, don't think your comparison is even remotely applicable to the situation. A better one would be saying its okay to let someone off for driving 5 mph over the speed limit on their first offense.
Ifneth (NA)
: They were posted by another user in this thread.
No they weren't. I just posted my chat logs about an hour ago.
Kei143 (NA)
: You won't get punished for this game alone. There HAS to be some history building up to this level. You can ask Riot support how many games you were validly reported in and they'd be able to tell you whether it was a consistent thing.
Yeah I submitted a ticket, but they haven't gotten around to it yet. And I can think of maybe one other game that could have possibly been a valid report, but it was way more tame than this chat log. Other than that I can't think of any toxic games i have had for months.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grokmir the bold,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=w73pgdZX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-07-11T08:31:10.190+0000) > > Yeah i think its a bit much to lose all honor progress from a mere chat restriction, especially on first offense. > > I could see them putting me down a level, but all the way to 1 is just silly. "Competitive play should reward positive sportsmanship just as much as they reward great play" - from the Honor/chat restriction FAQ people getting chat restrictions usually dont fall into the "good sportsmanship" category
The problem is that one toxic game is enough to to get punished, so even though I was honorable in multiple thousands of games and have never been punished before, I lose it all from a single mistake. Be honorable in 99% of your games and you can get honor 5, but that 1% toxicity is enough to get you punished. And in my case the percent is even more skewed.
Kei143 (NA)
: You can either relog from the client to see your chatlogs or you can submit a ticket to https://support.riotgames.com and ask for them.
Yeah I just got them on the client it wasn't showing up for some reason. I'll post them here, but I just wanna say to anyone reading I know I was toxic in this game, the point is that I was punished for only this one game. Not consistent toxicity, I'm not usually like this. So you guys don't have to flame me about it too lol. And in case you're wondering, this is all defensive toxicity, but it doesn't matter. Toxic is toxic. Game 1 In-Game Grokmir the bold: ? Grokmir the bold: r u guys bronze Grokmir the bold: ? Grokmir the bold: i died Grokmir the bold: when he dove you Grokmir the bold: I literally Grokmir the bold: died Grokmir the bold: right then Grokmir the bold: ur Grokmir the bold: actually bronze Grokmir the bold: so bronze Grokmir the bold: jesus Grokmir the bold: this top is heavy as lead Grokmir the bold: i know how to play any champ better than you can play ur main Grokmir the bold: my mmr must have dropped really hard to be put with ou monkeys LUL Grokmir the bold: trash Grokmir the bold: seriously though what rank r u guys Grokmir the bold: i mean rn im unranked in solo so yeah prob LUL Grokmir the bold: im gold in flex after placements Grokmir the bold: fucking lmao Grokmir the bold: what Grokmir the bold: i've ganked 3 times Grokmir the bold: hard to gank for useless laners tho Grokmir the bold: jhin ur the second worst on the team Grokmir the bold: dont know what you're talking about Grokmir the bold: no its mundo Grokmir the bold: nice lane Grokmir the bold: LOL Grokmir the bold: only d4? Grokmir the bold: fucking garbage Grokmir the bold: and you're stupid af Grokmir the bold: maybe uninstall league? Grokmir the bold: ? Post-Game Grokmir the bold: yo report mundo/jhin/lb Grokmir the bold: toxic af Grokmir the bold: ? Grokmir the bold: did you read chat? Grokmir the bold: mundo flamed me when i didnt gank Grokmir the bold: when i was dead Grokmir the bold: LOL Grokmir the bold: mundo is actually Grokmir the bold: legit retard Grokmir the bold: i only flame flamers and idiots Grokmir the bold: good Grokmir the bold: you guys all get banned then Grokmir the bold: enjoy Grokmir the bold: toxic shitters Grokmir the bold: literally flammed me all game Grokmir the bold: for no reason
Ifneth (NA)
: I read your chat logs. Justice was served. Edit: I thought I read his chat logs, but they were someone else’s. Edit 2: I still think so after reading his actual logs, which the OP has now posted.
Where did u find my chat logs tho.
Wuks (NA)
: Well, chat restrictions don't often occur after one match, unless the offense was severe (and if it were that severe, you likely would have skipped to a suspension). You could reach out to Player Support to see if they can pull your recent chat logs, and perhaps we may see an underlying trend with your behavior. And if you believe that the system may have applied the chat restriction in error, you could bring that up with Player Support as well. The moral of the story is pretty on point, though. Retaliation is no excuse for negative behavior, and you have the potential to lose just as much, if not more, than the other folks who are harassing you. Best course of action is to ignore them, report, and move on. Best of luck on the honor climb! > Accounts that show signs of **persistent negative behavior** are often first punished with chat restrictions. **Read more:** https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752984-Chat-Restrictions
Well apparently I'm a rare case then. I got my chat logs and it only shows one game on it.
: Not the amount of swearwords matter, it's the severity. I call my guys bad and awful a lot (e.g. not picking up my heal shrines but spam-ping assist) and nothing happens. EDIT: Just figured out you flamed a Bard. That was not me btw. x) Looks like you either got into a manual audit, or your "cacner" (cancer) still triggered it. I mean, you basically gave up (report reason) and flamed (report reason). Being found guilty in several ways (e.g. feeding plus flaming plus giving up) can also add up. * Please just end * im done * just ff * game is done (giving up, GRIEFING reason, pretty much guilty for that) * you are an idiot (flame) * shit, fuck, etc. (negativity) * personal insults (being mentally Bronze) You got what you deserved. In fact, it's actually pretty good you got busted. If you were Honor 5 but "suddenly" lose your cool like this, how did you even manage it? The first things a honour 5 person says is all the stuff above? Tell it to the marines, dude.
Yep just received my chat logs. Had literally nothing to do with a bard.
Jo0o (NA)
: Sucks that you went from 5 to 1, but the alternative would be to allow players to "bank" leniency. A community where honor 5 players know that they can get away with flaming folks without facing the same consequences as players at a lower honor level isn't healthy.
I understand that, but is it really fair to punish people who have been honorable enough to get to high honor levels without being punished to completely remove all of that effort from one or two toxic games? Isn't that the same reason leaver buster doesn't punish people unless they consistently leave games? I'm not saying that honor 5's should be immune, I'm just saying the punishment is too harsh in its current form.
: Not the amount of swearwords matter, it's the severity. I call my guys bad and awful a lot (e.g. not picking up my heal shrines but spam-ping assist) and nothing happens. EDIT: Just figured out you flamed a Bard. That was not me btw. x) Looks like you either got into a manual audit, or your "cacner" (cancer) still triggered it. I mean, you basically gave up (report reason) and flamed (report reason). Being found guilty in several ways (e.g. feeding plus flaming plus giving up) can also add up. * Please just end * im done * just ff * game is done (giving up, GRIEFING reason, pretty much guilty for that) * you are an idiot (flame) * shit, fuck, etc. (negativity) * personal insults (being mentally Bronze) You got what you deserved. In fact, it's actually pretty good you got busted. If you were Honor 5 but "suddenly" lose your cool like this, how did you even manage it? The first things a honour 5 person says is all the stuff above? Tell it to the marines, dude.
I don't remember flaming a bard. And there certainly wasn't a bard in the game in question. And you get honor 5 by being honorable in most of your names. Unfortunately the punishment system doesn't care about the 99% of games where I was honorable or neutral. The two systems are completely seperate and do not interact until any kind of punishment is given out.
Kei143 (NA)
: > ama * Can you post your chatlogs for reference? * Did you think that being h5 would make you immune to toxicity? * How many games do you play a week? * If you had the choice to improve one thing of the behavioral system, what would it be?
I don't think I have them. No obviously not. I just mentioned it becuase it shows I'm honorable enough to get honored a lot. Not a lot anymore. And I just think losing all honor to a chat restriction is a bit harsh.
WøOxer (EUW)
: Wait wait... LOL. U got down to lvl 1 from lvl 5 just for one chat restriction? And they wan't people to stop flaming and abusive? LOL I would be more toxic right now if I lost instantly 4 levels.
Yeah i think its a bit much to lose all honor progress from a mere chat restriction, especially on first offense. I could see them putting me down a level, but all the way to 1 is just silly.
Wuks (NA)
: Well, chat restrictions don't often occur after one match, unless the offense was severe (and if it were that severe, you likely would have skipped to a suspension). You could reach out to Player Support to see if they can pull your recent chat logs, and perhaps we may see an underlying trend with your behavior. And if you believe that the system may have applied the chat restriction in error, you could bring that up with Player Support as well. The moral of the story is pretty on point, though. Retaliation is no excuse for negative behavior, and you have the potential to lose just as much, if not more, than the other folks who are harassing you. Best course of action is to ignore them, report, and move on. Best of luck on the honor climb! > Accounts that show signs of **persistent negative behavior** are often first punished with chat restrictions. **Read more:** https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752984-Chat-Restrictions
Yeah I'll probably send in a ticket. I don't feel like I'm a toxic person, seeing as how I made it to honor 5 two seasons in a row and have never been punished before, but maybe I'm just having a bad month or something. Though I do very rarely get into toxic shit flinging contests when I get someone really really rude on my team. Really the main reason I made the thread though is I thought it was really funny that I got my first ever punishment mere hours after getting to honor 5 xd.
Rioter Comments
: The only % health true damage that exists in the game is on Fiora's vitals (passive + R) and Vayne W (technically also Garen R if you're the villain, but that's %missing). If neither is picked, there is no %health true damage being dealt. The vast majority of true damage in the game is being dealt by Marksmen that build IE, and top laners that take the Conqueror rune. The conqueror rune converts 20% of damage dealt to true damage, lasting for 3 seconds (melee champions refresh it) after being in combat for 4 seconds. If you disengage off of a conqueror champion, or keep trades with them below 4 seconds, they won't get much damage out of it. Infinity Edge gives 15% of crit damage as true damage now, because its previous iteration that increased crit damage was busted, because it turned crit marksmen into assassins, except they always had their damage up and couldn't miss it since it wasn't reliant on abilities. There's also red smite, which acts like a mini-exhaust and causes AAs to apply a small true damage dot, but you need to be an AA focused jungler to really get the most out of it.
Technically with conqueror, any form of percent health damage can be percent health true damage. Idk if there are any champs that can abuse that, but its there.
: 20 bans doesn't seem like a bad idea right now
What we need is 10 bans per player and anytime there is a duplicate ban and if there is a main of that champion in the game, they have a 10% chance per ban of their champ to be permabanned on the spot. 100% will fix the meta, the game, and the resports.
: Why does every player copy off the meta?
Well if you're building banner now they should only be impressed.
: Not at all correct, sir. I main her, and I either have to run Biscuits or start coin to deal with mana issues.
I mean i literally saw it happen in a game. And idk if she ran Biscuits or not, but she most certainly did not need coin. But she basically spammed up until her first back at like 8-9 minutes.
Du Ma Mi (NA)
: Riot Player Support Is Fantastic
I agree. I once got my account stolen cuz im retarded and rito had it back to me by the next morning.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: If you're nerfing Karma Janna Lulu, nerf Morgana as well
Just give her actual mana costs. Right now she can basically spam q and w until her first back with zero thought or reprecussions.
Shylien (NA)
: "We wanted to lower the early/mid game impact of the jungle"
They need to make scuttle evolve as the game goes on. Start it out as old scuttle then with every death it and its rewards get beefed up until it becomes an actual objective. They could even beef up its rewards mid/late if they want to then.
: Dear Person Who Thinks Someone's Game Knowledge is Moot Because They're Silver/Bronze.
Honestly most of the time when I see people who think they know what they are talking about but actually have 0 game knowledge, they are plat. Most silvers/bronze players I know/run into know they suck/don't know the game. Though a couple of my low elo friends can be a bit cringy...
: Just ignore it. Riot won’t punish any of them because they were in a premade and riot doesn’t want to “hurt” teams queing. Same reason they won’t let us have pure solo que.
> [{quoted}](name=Paintchip,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MNpZNITm,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-06T10:19:12.141+0000) > > Just ignore it. Riot won’t punish any of them because they were in a premade and riot doesn’t want to “hurt” teams queing. Same reason they won’t let us have pure solo que. I can confirm that being premade doesn't stop riot from banning you.
SyraKen (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=000100030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:30:56.628+0000) > > You have it backwards. It's one of the most basic concepts in statistics that with increased sample size actually comes **decreased** chance of error, **increased** reliability, and **increased** internal and external validity. Again, spoofed, duped, manipulated. Survey 1 million people if they would rather have chocolate or vanilla ice cream. 40% say chocolate, 60% say vanilla. Then you can say that more people like vanilla then chocolate. What we dont know is A) How many of these people had a chocolate allergy, B) How many of these people recently had chocolate and wanted vanilla now C) How many of these people live in an area where chocolate isn't normally served and simply isn't an option D) How many of these are from "We only eat Vanilla" fan clubs. Etc. If you have Biased Information From a Biased Population (millions of troll reports) you get Biased Data which leads to Faulty Statistical Information. _ THAT_ is Statistics 101, **For Your Information**. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=SyraKen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=0001000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T18:38:41.987+0000) > > Again, spoofed, duped, manipulated. Survey 1 million people if they would rather have chocolate or vanilla ice cream. 40% say chocolate, 60% say vanilla. Then you can say that more people like vanilla then chocolate. What we dont know is A) How many of these people had a chocolate allergy, B) How many of these people recently had chocolate and wanted vanilla now C) How many of these people live in an area where chocolate isn't normally served and simply isn't an option D) How many of these are from "We only eat Vanilla" fan clubs. Etc. > > If you have Biased Information From a Biased Population (millions of troll reports) you get Biased Data which leads to Faulty Statistical Information. _ THAT_ is Statistics 101, **For Your Information**. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} Tbf the way you asked your ice cream question implies personal preference at the time it was asked, so all of your points aren't even relevant to your own analogy. And point A and D aren't relevant regardless. Bias is something that needs to be dealt with, but only relevant bias that actually affects the outcome of your data that you care about in a negative way.
Xäyąh (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fa2QcK3d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-30T17:09:22.317+0000) > > That is literally EVERY ongoing game developer ever. I don’t find most other games to be as volatile. Some people on the boards are legitimately convinced the balance team does nothing and need their jobs ruined. Sure it happens, but right now it’s especially bad for Riot compared to the past.
> [{quoted}](name=Xäyąh,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fa2QcK3d,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-30T18:13:21.175+0000) > > I don’t find most other games to be as volatile. Some people on the boards are legitimately convinced the balance team does nothing and need their jobs ruined. Sure it happens, but right now it’s especially bad for Riot compared to the past. Well there have been other developers that got death threats for balance changes. Idk if riot also gets death threats, but I haven't heard of any.
: me too i like denying minions just to have him get 5 of these {{item:2319}} in a row
> [{quoted}](name=undesirable team,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=at6E1qy9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-21T21:58:24.079+0000) > > me too i like denying minions just to have him get 5 of these {{item:2319}} in a row Klepto is weird too. It always seems that when I play ezreal, I either get one bag of gold in 40 minutes, or 20 bags of gold in 5 minutes. No in-between.
: > [{quoted}](name=Grokmir the bold,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J0jInUfW,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-04-21T22:45:24.111+0000) > > They are nerfing infinite waveclear. There's so much mana being thrown around that mages with good, safe waveclear can effectively stall out games for free without having to ever back. > > Its the exact same problem we had back during the glory days of athene's grail. It's funny though, a large amount of the community complain about games ending to quickly and snowballing is a massive problem in the game right now. So what do they do? They nerf mage's waveclear which makes stalling even harder and the game will become even more snowbally.
> [{quoted}](name=Dark Nephthys,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J0jInUfW,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2018-04-22T06:39:35.880+0000) > > It's funny though, a large amount of the community complain about games ending to quickly and snowballing is a massive problem in the game right now. So what do they do? They nerf mage's waveclear which makes stalling even harder and the game will become even more snowbally. Well the thing is, waveclear isn't enough to combat snowballing and extend games atm in solo queue. It can work if the losing team has a lot of waveclear, but most solo queue comps aren't made to do that. However, something that a lot of people overlook is that these nerfs don't even affect stalling at all when you're at your inhib towers, until the enemy gets baron, which is supposed to counter waveclear comps anyways. Its trivial to clear a wave and go back for mana and make it back in time for the next wave. What I'm trying to say is that the mana nerfs will likely not affect game time or snowballing at all. It'll just prevent the mage from perma clearing at their outer towers. If you wanna lengthen games, you have to slow down scaling and objective taking, not non interactively avoid losing.
: How many right clicks are being thrown around?
> [{quoted}](name=Ponderss,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J0jInUfW,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-04-22T01:17:03.865+0000) > > How many right clicks are being thrown around? I assume you're making a comment on adc waveclear. That's not relevant in any way to mage waveclear or balance, but yeah shiv's waveclear should be lowered. Shiv probably shouldn't crit. And honestly, the zeal items should all just be unique so adc's can't just mix and match whatever they want to cover all of their weaknesses. And at least adc's have to get relatively close to the wave to clear it, opening them up to being engaged upon and throwing the game. But just because same adc's also have balance issues, doesn't mean some mages don't as well.
: If they want to nerf waveclear why not just cap certain abilities' damage to minions like they (essentially) do in jungle. The changes riot has on the PBE server will just help mages that can waveclear in one or two abilities like Ekko or Taliyah but put other mages in the dumpster. Why are they nerfing waveclear so much though? Was it ever a big problem?
> [{quoted}](name=Crispy0Snake,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=J0jInUfW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-21T21:15:22.719+0000) > > If they want to nerf waveclear why not just cap certain abilities' damage to minions like they (essentially) do in jungle. These changes will just help mages that can waveclear in one or two abilities like Ekko or Taliyah but put other mages in the dumpster. > > Why are they nerfing waveclear so much though? Was it ever a big problem? They are nerfing infinite waveclear. There's so much mana being thrown around that mages with good, safe waveclear can effectively stall out games for free without having to ever back. Its the exact same problem we had back during the glory days of athene's grail.
: Guess what champion I am
Anatera (NA)
: If Riot wants us to stop complaining and be nicer to them
They can't just do whatever players want. There's literally millions of players across the world who play league and they all have WILDLY differing opinions on balance and game changes. And even if you don't like a change, that doesn't make it a bad change. Even if there are dozens of people complaining on the boards about a change, that still doesn't make it a bad one. I'd love it if they just straight up deleted lulu from the game, but that doesn't mean they should actually do it. And there's not a single change that riot has made that SOME PLAYERS did not agree with. So which players should they listen to? The ones in favor of the change or the ones against it? They can't please everyone.
Luralin (NA)
: Why are Warframe players so nice
Its cuz warframe isn't a competitive game. Its almost entirely pve.
Sasogwa (EUW)
: Think about one change that would completely destroy the meta as we know it
: Remember when everyone was screaming for buffs and riot replied that they wont change her until her winrate stabilizes? Turns out we dont need that buff. This is why kneejerk reactions and balance do not work well together.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4nAyMhq1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-16T01:57:07.788+0000) > > Remember when everyone was screaming for buffs and riot replied that they wont change her until her winrate stabilizes? > > Turns out we dont need that buff. This is why kneejerk reactions and balance do not work well together. She definitely needed a buff from release, but Riot went way overboard with the buffs. She would've been fine if they cut the buffs in half.
Centur (EUW)
: This makes no sense, it depends on the champ not the role which stage of the game ur power spike is at. Adc is the only one that has a constant potential throughout late game.
> [{quoted}](name=Centur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LxesNQjG,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-04-10T00:24:45.654+0000) > > This makes no sense, it depends on the champ not the role which stage of the game ur power spike is at. Adc is the only one that has a constant potential throughout late game. I wasn't talking about powerspikes I was talking about when the roles are most impactful. But yes, there are differences between champs. I was generalizing.
: What do you guys think is the strongest role in the game?
It really depends on what part of the game we're talking about. Jungle is great early and decent later. Support is great early and good later (just can't solo carry later unless you play brand or something) Adc is good mid (great when ahead) and godlike late. Mid varies a lot, but generally is good throughout. Top is ok early and great mid. So I would say either support or jungle since the early game is so important. And I'd probably put support in first considering they are really good early but still scale later with thier utility.
: It looks like ADCs in pro play are opting to not finish boots until after 2 or 3 items
The only zeal item that might actually be an issue ms wise is PD. Even on the fastest adc's shiv and rapidfire TOGETHER only give around 32 ms. Which is a good bit less for a whole lot more gold than you'd get from boots. The reason people don't like to rush boots is just because they aren't impactful items, not because they get more ms from other items. The adc with zeal/ie is gonna beat the adc with boots/ie in damage. The boots adc will be faster, but who cares if you can't compete with the damage.
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