Azadethe (NA)
: Vlad, Nasus, Yorick, Garen, Warwick, Swain, all outheal healers. Trundle could get in there too. Their actives are not strong, and they are really vulnerable points. A Nami who builds actives can't outrun ANYONE, and generally runs the risk of a 0/12 game The champs you are saying should build actives usually have kits that suffer if they do. Zyra outdamages the mid because she still builds MAGE items! Btw; I Queue "Fill." I also Jungle main, can mid, can top, but Adc is iffy. P.S Stop calling Brand a Support. He's a secondary Mid who just happens to get picked as support because people who want to carry sometimes are stuck in Support.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vUg5vif0,comment-id=001200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-20T18:06:52.572+0000) > > Vlad, Nasus, Yorick, Garen, Warwick, Swain, all outheal healers. > What do you mean by ''out heal healers'', im not sure what you mean. Are you saying a Vlad shouldnt 1v1 a Soraka? > Trundle could get in there too. > Trundles healing is an ult. Sorakas W is not. Jannas ult is healing but hers is aoe. > Their actives are not strong, and they are really vulnerable points. A Nami who builds actives can't outrun ANYONE, and generally runs the risk of a 0/12 game The champs you are saying should build actives usually have kits that suffer if they do. Their actives are not strong??????????????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHp95KO8en4&t=73s > > Zyra outdamages the mid because she still builds MAGE items! > > > P.S Stop calling Brand a Support. He's a secondary Mid who just happens to get picked as support because people who want to carry sometimes are stuck in Support. So I cant call Brand a support but you can call Zyra a support???
GothicV2 (NA)
: A Rioter has mentioned that this year, the least popular champions will be getting a REAL skin
: Not banning vayne is literally trolling at this point
Kinda sucks because you ban Vayne they pick Draven, You ban Draven they pick Vayne,You get both banned they pick Ezreal so now you're in the least interactive game possible because spamming Q over.. and over.. and over... and when one hits he gets a sack of gold or a mana pot to keep doing the same shit. Draven takes relic shield + has his passive + klepto means 1 kill = 800g lead. rant over but yeah fuck that.
Azadethe (NA)
: They don't have too much of something. They average lower damage than everyone, and there are 6 champs who literally outheal the healers. Their primary sticking points are the CC. But Mages outperform most actual supports as CC spammers hence why Bot is dominated by Brand and Vel Koz. If a Support is Bad, they generally trail the #4 player on their team by some 3-4k Gold. That's HUGE! If they are GOOD supports, they match other team players in gold. Their kits have less AD/AP scaling than other champs, less defenses, etc. You need to accept that every player has to have a role.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vUg5vif0,comment-id=0012000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-20T17:31:55.528+0000) > > They don't have too much of something. They average lower damage than everyone, and there are 6 champs who literally outheal the healers. Their primary sticking points are the CC. But Mages outperform most actual supports as CC spammers hence why Bot is dominated by Brand and Vel Koz. > > If a Support is Bad, they generally trail the #4 player on their team by some 3-4k Gold. That's HUGE! If they are GOOD supports, they match other team players in gold. > > Their kits have less AD/AP scaling than other champs, less defenses, etc. > > You need to accept that every player has to have a role. _**For your first point**_ is ''they average lower damage than everyone'' Of course, because most supports are utility built ( Braum, Janna, Soraka, Zilean, Alistar etc ) The class as a whole **Is obviously going to average lower damage ** but then you get the Brand support, Sona ( before nerfs ) , Zyra, Thresh and for some reason you click ''stats'' at the end of the game and see that they've actually out damaged your fucking mid laner. Supports are put in a lane against a target who remains squishy ( Example, Tristana is never going to build MR in lane ) But Brand with frostfang and sorc boots will 100-0 the Tristana so fast, meanwhile mid resistances are built way more often. _**For your second point **_ '' There are 6 champs who literally outheal the healers'', Who? Nobody out heals Soraka. Jannas R is an AOE heal, i do not know what you're talking about. **_For your third point_** ''Their kits have less AD/AP scaling than other champs'' And to make up for this, they have the cheapest items in the game and a lot of strength is given in the form of item actives. Frost queens claim is really.. really cheap.. Gives CDR,mana regen, gold income , slow active and AP. Then you have ardent sensor doing the same, AP, Mana regen, CDR and beautiful passive ( 8% movement speed included in that ) **_For your fourth point _** ''You need to accept that every player has to have a role'' Yes, every player does need to have a role, but some of those roles are overbearing. Supports right now, are OVERBEARING. I mean no disrespect when I say this but i see your match history, you obviously main support. So i sense some sort of bias because you're playing a whole bunch of Zyra yet wont admit that you can practically win lane for your adc. And some of your games you have more damage THAN YOUR MID LANER.
Azadethe (NA)
: Support is not overtuned. They are just viable now. The only major buff supports got was an access to Gold.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vUg5vif0,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2018-01-20T16:49:30.333+0000) > > Support is not overtuned. They are just viable now. The only major buff supports got was an access to Gold. ''They are just viable now, they got access to gold'' Yes thats what overtuned is. Too much of something
Rioter Comments
: It disappeared because the mods hate Rubrick and they hate when Riot is made to look incompetent. So basically the mods being underhanded as usual. Nothing new.
> [{quoted}](name=Jinx Hunter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ThUisGnj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-19T23:58:12.507+0000) > > It disappeared because the mods hate Rubrick and they hate when Riot is made to look incompetent. > > So basically the mods being underhanded as usual. Nothing new. It dissapeared because he deleted it clown
: You've forced me out of my role, Riot
Shit even Darius will auto a tank 7 times and they'll be 80% hp
: "its not ADC thats the reason ADC is op its support champs" -THE GUY WITH LITERALLY A MATCH HISTORY FULL OF ADC MATCHES, MOSTLY VANE cannot even make this shit up holy fuck lmao the league baords are a fucking disease
> [{quoted}](name=ReclaimTheSouth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vUg5vif0,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-01-20T14:43:16.958+0000) > > "its not ADC thats the reason ADC is op its support champs" > > -THE GUY WITH LITERALLY A MATCH HISTORY FULL OF ADC MATCHES, MOSTLY VANE > > cannot even make this shit up holy fuck lmao the league baords are a fucking disease But it really **is supports who have broken this game**, shit playing an assassin besides Katarina is like torture
: I main support and I have never felt as potato as I do atm. The relic shield meta is incredibly boring due to the lack of ability to capitalize on people's mistakes. Everyone just heals up the damage taken. We can't kill each other without the jungler because relic shield makes the adcs slightly tankier and does not give AD. I've essentially been turned into a healbot with nothing else to do during laning. I would have agreed with your statement in other metas, but in this one, I don't feel like I have as much of an impact. It really just feels like whoever happens to pick Vayne.
> [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vUg5vif0,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-01-20T08:46:07.427+0000) > > I main support and I have never felt as potato as I do atm. The relic shield meta is incredibly boring due to the lack of ability to capitalize on people's mistakes. Everyone just heals up the damage taken. We can't kill each other without the jungler because relic shield makes the adcs slightly tankier and does not give AD. I've essentially been turned into a healbot with nothing else to do during laning. > > I would have agreed with your statement in other metas, but in this one, I don't feel like I have as much of an impact. It really just feels like whoever happens to pick Vayne. I mean no disrespect but if you're playing support and feel like you arent making an impact then you arent paying attention. If i play Zyra support i practically win the lane for my adc.
Shylien (NA)
: wanna know a secret: it's not better botlane wins, it's better support wins.
I've been saying this for months now, Support is 100% overtuned and the reason adcs are adcs right now. Their items are so cheap and so freaking strong that other lanes are using them right now.
: You know what is fun?
Who wouldve thought that making supports the most over bearing role in the game and breaking their items made other laners even stronger. Ill play aatrox for 100 games before i enjoy playing assassins mid trying to kill a squishy
Rioter Comments
TylerBrah (EUW)
: I repeat, you play ADC, right? Why not play Vayne yourself for the freelo? Know why? Because once you do and feed your ass off, you'll lose the only excuse you have as to why you're low elo trash
> [{quoted}](name=TylerBrah,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PK8rGmTa,comment-id=001400010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-19T18:53:00.046+0000) > > I repeat, you play ADC, right? > > Why not play Vayne yourself for the freelo? > > Know why? Because once you do and feed your ass off, you'll lose the only excuse you have as to why you're low elo trash You done vayne main?
TylerBrah (EUW)
: So why don't you play Vayne for the freelo and climb out of Gold V and fix your 46% win rate? Hmm? Or why not use other hyperscaling carries that are significantly easier to play with just as much scaling like Tristana/Twitch instead of picking fucking Xayah and still not being able to bully Vaynes? Your match history says it all. You just suck at the game, you saw the latest meme and now you're on the bandwagon blaming your lack of skill on the latest hot topic.
> [{quoted}](name=TylerBrah,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PK8rGmTa,comment-id=0014000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-19T09:46:04.305+0000) > > Your match history says it all. You just suck at the game, you saw the latest meme and now you're on the bandwagon blaming your lack of skill on the latest hot topic. Im sorry what? Click the full picture. https://i.imgur.com/dHxXVoW.png Are you just talking out of your ass now? **Oh wait i know, looking at your match history, you explicitly play Vayne, you literally MAIN Vayne, No wonder you are so defensive about this topic, hey i suggest going on a website called google and typing ''biased'' and reading the definition, Not only are your points invalid, you're trying to justify any obviously false statement into a true one just because it takes your side. No thanks not replying again to your trolly posts.**
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 19
Can i ask, Is Nasus going to be seeing any nerfs? His win rate is literally off the charts and with Ancient coin he literally will be behind in CS yet still have more gold than you. I dont see his weakness anymore when i fight him.
Daunt (EUNE)
: > One of the problem with Vayne is that EVEN IF YOU BEAT HER IN LANE SHE WILL STILL OUTSCALE YOU AFTER A FEW MINUTES. No, the thing is that it's harder to beat her in lane which leads to her hitting her power spike faster. She doesn't outscale you after a few minutes if you beat her in lane. She does the same thing Kog and Trist are currently doing but with slight more efficiency since she doesn't get as punished early. Again, that's not Vayne's problem. That's a problem with relic shield, runes and the current crit itemization. The nerf is kinda okay but it seems like a huge hit to a champion that's not the main issue of the current meta. And yes, everywhere besides in Korea, Diamond is filled with shitters.
> [{quoted}](name=Daunt,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PK8rGmTa,comment-id=00140001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-18T20:09:55.363+0000) > > No, the thing is that it's harder to beat her in lane which leads to her hitting her power spike faster. She doesn't outscale you after a few minutes if you beat her in lane. She does the same thing Kog and Trist are currently doing but with slight more efficiency since she doesn't get as punished early. Again, that's not Vayne's problem. That's a problem with relic shield, runes and the current crit itemization. > The nerf is kinda okay but it seems like a huge hit to a champion that's not the main issue of the current meta. > > And yes, everywhere besides in Korea, Diamond is filled with shitters. And i disagree because ive beaten plenty Vaynes and have seen Plenty Vaynes get shit in on lane and come back because she reached her 1 item power spike. Vaynes R is free AD. EVEN IF YOU BEAT HER IN LANE, AS SOON AS SHE PRESSES R SHE GETS 1300G FOR FREE.
xGunna1 (EUW)
: the hate on yasuo players is disgusting
Most of the Yasuo players i have played with / against have done mastery 7 after a kill or fed. Its not a stereotype anymore tbh its the truth.
: why does evelynn have intargetability in her ult?
Because she is the most fragile champion in league of legends. She has 0 way to fend for herself. Her Ult is her only ''escape''
TylerBrah (EUW)
: Way for my entire point about how win rate meaning jack shit in regards to how busted a champ is to go completely over your head. Why don't you tell me what's exactly busted about her with specifity, not just "too much damage" (because other ADCs like Twitch/Tristana/Kog'Maw out damage her significantly right now and are far easier/safer to play due to their range) or any other shitty parroted comment you're likely googling right now to find, tell me exactly what's so broken about her. She has clear weaknesses and clear strengths, hence why she's fucking irrelevant in the pro scene. It's nobody's fault that this board is filled with shitters who can't punish her. The problem has been stated clearly in my post, her direct counters are weak as fuck right now add to that how busted the runes currently are (giving ADCs braindead sustain early game) and there's no wonder why she and LITERALLY EVERY OTHER HYPERCARRY, is doing exceptionally well (look at Twitch for example). Nerfing Vayne will do nothing until the Runes/Items are nerfed and champions like Caitlyn/Draven are buffed.
> [{quoted}](name=TylerBrah,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PK8rGmTa,comment-id=001400010000,timestamp=2018-01-18T15:03:31.899+0000) > > It's nobody's fault that this board is filled with shitters who can't punish her. So her 54% win rate in Diamond is filled with shitters who cant punish her. Also win rate **is very accurate in meaning how busted a champ is**. Win rate **isnt accurate in determining how frustrating a champion is** Two fundamental differences. One of the problem with Vayne is that EVEN IF YOU BEAT HER IN LANE SHE WILL STILL OUTSCALE YOU AFTER A FEW MINUTES. Buffing Caitlyn will do **Nothing** Buffing Draven will do **Nothing** when her problems have nothing to do with her ''counter champs feel weak''. Shes supposed to be a tank buster, yet she decimates squishies faster than anything possible. Removing AD OFF HER ULT is actually the most reasonable nerf because her true damage will still apply to tanks for the most efficient damage, but essentially nerfing her physical auto damage which tanks dont mind too much in the first place if they're building resistances, but squishies DO care about her Auto damage and less W damage. Do **NOT BUFF OTHER CHAMPIONS TO NERF VAYNE ** Do **Nerf the champion ** a bit moderately along with relic shield nerf and see what happens there.
Rioter Comments
TylerBrah (EUW)
: Explain how she's busted. Go on, do it. Explain how she's literally irrelevant on the competitive scene (both in picks/bans) whereas actually busted chamions (Zoe/Orinn) are insta bans/picks. Explain how she's only strong the moment early game lane bullying ADCs were coincidentally rendered trash tier (Draven/Caitlyn). Explain how she's only strong the moment every hypercarry is coincidentally strong due to the relic shield/overheal trash meta that fits in conjunction with the lack of meta early game ADCs. This board just needs to admit that they are trash at this game and inaccurate "win rate percentages" should never be used to accurately measure a champions busted nature. If Vayne is busted, explain how with numbers, comparisons and data. Not just correlative win rate percentages. Katarina ain't busted, Vayne ain't busted, you guys just suck at dealing against them. If you want to see what champions are busted, look at what the insta bans are on the competitive scene, and yea, simply saying"DUDE THAT'S NOT FAIR TO COMPARE PRO PLAYERS VS US SILVER SHITTERS", is not an argument and it ironically works against your point. Because actually pro players who know everything there is to know about this game, know what's busted and what isn't alot more than you hard stuck silver shitters who still think Yasuo is broken. So here's what's going to happen. * Silver stuck top/support mains are going to bitch about being irrelevant in the current meta * They will parrot narratives surrounding win rates and use it to imply that the game is horribly imbalanced and simultaneously hint that this is why they're hardstuck low elo trash that went 2/8 in their placements * They will then force Riot to look into this * Riot will then nerf the character * The character will still be strong because the character isn't the actual problem * They will then nerf the actual problem (Runes/Items) * The character will now be dumpster tier * The silver stuck top/support mains who started this mess by bitching on the forums, will still be low elo trash because Vayne (or any other """"Busted"""" champion) was never the problem * Suddenly a new consensus busted champion will emerge * Rinse and Repeat * Nothing is actually solved and things are only made worse Happens every time. Want evidence? Just look at the OP - http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=TSM+Piccaboo Yep, this rant thread came right at the heel of a 6 loss streak. Really makes you think doesn't it, i'm sure this thread is intended to be constructive and actually further the betterment of this game, right? In 14 games, Vayne has only been involved in 4 games (1 of which Vayne was on her team and she still got BTFO). Nah, OP is just on a massive loss streak (6) and is now coming onto this board, to circlejerk and blow off some steam with other hardstuck low elo players about the current hot topic, which just happens to be Vayne. I challenge one person who thinks Vayne/Katarina or whatever latest meme OP champion is busted, to go in 20 ranked games with her and give me their GGOP. Show me how it goes. Should be freelo right?
> [{quoted}](name=TylerBrah,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PK8rGmTa,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-01-18T10:42:40.796+0000) > > Explain how she's busted. Go on, do it. > > Explain how she's literally irrelevant on the competitive scene (both in picks/bans) whereas actually busted chamions (Zoe/Orinn) are insta bans/picks. > > Explain how she's only strong the moment early game lane bullying ADCs were coincidentally rendered trash tier (Draven/Caitlyn). > > Explain how she's only strong the moment every hypercarry is coincidentally strong due to the relic shield/overheal trash meta that fits in conjunction with the lack of meta early game ADCs. > > > This board just needs to admit that they are trash at this game and inaccurate "win rate percentages" should never be used to accurately measure a champions busted nature. If Vayne is busted, explain how with numbers, comparisons and data. Not just correlative win rate percentages. Katarina ain't busted, Vayne ain't busted, you guys just suck at dealing against them. > > If you want to see what champions are busted, look at what the insta bans are on the competitive scene, and yea, simply saying"DUDE THAT'S NOT FAIR TO COMPARE PRO PLAYERS VS US SILVER SHITTERS", is not an argument and it ironically works against your point. Because actually pro players who know everything there is to know about this game, know what's busted and what isn't alot more than you hard stuck silver shitters who still think Yasuo is broken. > > So here's what's going to happen. > > * Silver stuck top/support mains are going to bitch about being irrelevant in the current meta > * They will parrot narratives surrounding win rates and use it to imply that the game is horribly imbalanced and simultaneously hint that this is why they're hardstuck low elo trash that went 2/8 in their placements > * They will then force Riot to look into this > * Riot will then nerf the character > * The character will still be strong because the character isn't the actual problem > * They will then nerf the actual problem (Runes/Items) > * The character will now be dumpster tier > > Happens every time. > > > Want evidence? Just look at the OP - http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=TSM+Piccaboo > > Yep, this rant thread came right at the heel of a 6 loss streak. Really makes you think doesn't it, i'm sure this thread is intended to be constructive and actually further the betterment of this game, right? > > In 14 games, Vayne has only been involved in 4 games (1 of which Vayne was on her team and she still got BTFO). Nah, OP is just on a massive loss streak (6) and is now coming onto this board, to circlejerk and blow off some steam with other hardstuck low elo players about the current hot topic, which just happens to be Vayne. > > I challenge one person who thinks Vayne/Katarina or whatever latest meme OP champion is busted, to go in 20 ranked games with her and give me their GGOP. Show me how it goes. Should be freelo right? Why would you need someone to play Vaynerchuk and show you when the bitch has a 35% play rate and 54% win rate. That should say enough.
: i did say below that you do not build triforce and black cleaver at the same time idc about sivir and ashe the majority of adcs build IE into RFC and shiv and LW item also if i play your game bruisers STILL have an expensive itemization **for a class that does not scale into late game** also some bruisers are forced to build triforce instead of black cleaver
> [{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000080000,timestamp=2018-01-14T19:56:41.876+0000) > > i did say below that you do not build triforce and black cleaver at the same time > idc about sivir and ashe > the majority of adcs build IE into RFC and shiv and LW item > > also if i play your game bruisers STILL have an expensive itemization **for a class that does not scale into late game** > > also some bruisers are forced to build triforce instead of black cleaver And? Lucian goes {{item:3153}} ( 3.4k ) {{item:3071}} ( 3.0k) {{item:3094}} (2.6k) Making his build more expensive than what you listed. Ashe goes {{item:3508}} (3.4k) {{item:3085}} (2.6k) {{item:3031}} (3.4k) Sivir the same thing Jhin goes {{item:3147}} 2.9k {{item:3142}} 2.9k {{item:3094}} 2.6k Caitlyn ( A user who uses the build you said ) is sitting at a 46-47% win rate. Vayne, Tristana, Twitch and Jinx are really the adcs that ''abuse'' this cheap item path you're talking about. Jinx is balanced ( atleast in my opinion ) right now. Vayne is a huge problem Tristana is really strong too. If you nerfed adc itemization, youd essentially be putting more balanced or ok picks into horrible state. Some adcs need to be looked at yes but some does not mean >3 Apart from even supports are doing too much damage right now. Everything needs to be looked at.
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000008,timestamp=2018-01-14T19:51:55.250+0000) > > Why did you list tri force and black cleaver? Nobody builds those together. You listed an adcs actual build though. Pretty biased shit right there. > > Try this instead > > {{item:3071}} 3000 gold > {{item:3742}} 2900 gold > {{item:3053}} 3200 gold > {{item:3065}} 2800 gold > > > You listed the best case for adcs, yet the worst ( and false ) case for top lane. > > If you play {{champion:15}} and {{champion:22}} your build is actually > > {{item:3508}} 3400 gold > {{item:3031}} 3400 gold > {{item:3046}} 2600 gold ( or any zeal item ) > {{item:3036}} 2600 gold > > Equals to 12000 gold > > while the bruiser build > > Equals to 11900 gold > > Again, my point is to show you that what you said is bullshit. Nobody builds triforce + BC together, and you listed the best case for adcs and worst case for bruisers. Ok, for once in your life use your brain. He listed both because you build EITHER Triforce or Black Cleaver. Seriously....
> [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000080001,timestamp=2018-01-18T03:35:41.438+0000) > > Ok, for once in your life use your brain. He listed both because you build EITHER Triforce or Black Cleaver. Seriously.... Ok. My point is he listed the most expensive items for bruisers and making it look way worse then it really does. If you took away tri force, the total cost would drop 700g. Making the price disparity seem 100% normal.
: I'm not contending that, in fact if you read what I said again you'll see that _I said he was strong because of outside things affecting him for the better compared to others_. What _the OP said though_ was that Nasus has been stupid _since his buffs_, which he hasn't been. He's just fit in well with a really strong combination of things, and that's caused it to skyrocket. A champion can get strong, like we see here, or Tristana last year, without much in the way of direct buffs, for sure, but to exaggerate like that isn't conductive to fixing actual issues. I'd like to see him more viable than he had been for much of the last few years, but not overbearing like he's turning out to be currently. I just have a slight worry of him being Sejuani'd in the process.
> [{quoted}](name=TheSandQrator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zy4A9Q2E,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T07:50:41.436+0000) > > I'm not contending that, in fact if you read what I said again you'll see that _I said he was strong because of outside things affecting him for the better compared to others_. > > What _the OP said though_ was that Nasus has been stupid _since his buffs_, which he hasn't been. > > He's just fit in well with a really strong combination of things, and that's caused it to skyrocket. > A champion can get strong, like we see here, or Tristana last year, without much in the way of direct buffs, for sure, but to exaggerate like that isn't conductive to fixing actual issues. > > I'd like to see him more viable than he had been for much of the last few years, but not overbearing like he's turning out to be currently. I just have a slight worry of him being Sejuani'd in the process. It doesnt matter where his buffs come from, he needs nerfs. End of story.
AR URF (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zy4A9Q2E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T00:32:30.947+0000) > > He kinda is. 54% win rate in diamond as a champ whos supposed to be taken advantage of Damn 54% win rate across the boards. Well it doesn't matter if you come with statistics. You will get downvoted because bronzies can't handle their precious nasus getting nerfed because that would mean they might have to play something that actually requires skill.
> [{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zy4A9Q2E,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-01-17T08:00:35.000+0000) > > Damn 54% win rate across the boards. Well it doesn't matter if you come with statistics. You will get downvoted because bronzies can't handle their precious nasus getting nerfed because that would mean they might have to play something that actually requires skill. The boards are so inexperienced with league. A champ WHOS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD IN THE LATER GAME , **has a 54% win rate in a meta where games end way faster** Horrible
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T01:55:36.183+0000) > > No, Triforce into black cleaver is NOT a bruiser build ( Thats what OP listed ). It is most definitely a bruiser build. Unless you're thinking that we're talking about champions like Darius. OP is talking about Illaoi, Jax, Fiora and (possibly) Camille.
> [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T23:01:45.214+0000) > > It is most definitely a bruiser build. Unless you're thinking that we're talking about champions like Darius. > > OP is talking about Illaoi, Jax, Fiora and (possibly) Camille. Triforce into black cleaver is not a bruiser build its a bronze build i dont know where you come from saying thats a viable build but please do not argue with me about something like that because that is 100% idiotic.
: Really? Because I'm seeing that his last change was _the base stat change that many people got due to runes being changed up_ in **7.22**. His last changes before that were in **7.15**, to **Spirit Fire** and **Fury of the Sands**. I'm seeing on OP.GG that his winrate spiked from *45.8%* in **7.14**, to a whopping *49.3%* in **7.15**. His buffs brought him up to par, they didn't make him overpowered. It spiked again from *49.3%* in **7.23** to *52.1%* in **7.24**, which, surprisingly was around about the time that **Runes Reforged** dropped. He benefits from the system a lot more than a lot of his traditional counters do; you've seen how many people are complaining about **Kleptomancy**, and how many people are complaining about bruisers being weak. When that eventually gets hit, and when bruisers and early bullies get some power back, he'll start dipping down again. And what seems to be his current most popular build path is super safe, it's so hard to choke him out of gold like he used to be. And when you start losing your grip against him, it's hard to come back without outside intervention. Late game he still can't do anything against an ADC since they're two champions, with the support glued to them, and if he catches them alone, then, well.
> [{quoted}](name=TheSandQrator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zy4A9Q2E,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T04:55:00.453+0000) > > Really? > Because I'm seeing that his last change was _the base stat change that many people got due to runes being changed up_ in **7.22**. > > His last changes before that were in **7.15**, to **Spirit Fire** and **Fury of the Sands**. > > I'm seeing on OP.GG that his winrate spiked from *45.8%* in **7.14**, to a whopping *49.3%* in **7.15**. > His buffs brought him up to par, they didn't make him overpowered. > > It spiked again from *49.3%* in **7.23** to *52.1%* in **7.24**, which, surprisingly was around about the time that **Runes Reforged** dropped. > > He benefits from the system a lot more than a lot of his traditional counters do; you've seen how many people are complaining about **Kleptomancy**, and how many people are complaining about bruisers being weak. > > When that eventually gets hit, and when bruisers and early bullies get some power back, he'll start dipping down again. And what seems to be his current most popular build path is super safe, it's so hard to choke him out of gold like he used to be. And when you start losing your grip against him, it's hard to come back without outside intervention. > > Late game he still can't do anything against an ADC since they're two champions, with the support glued to them, and if he catches them alone, then, well. **Just because a champion wasent directly buffed doesnt mean they cant become strong due to other changes, Im not sure why i need to explain this. There were many, many changes to League that may have indirectly buffed Nasus or indirectly nerfed Nasus to a high level and judging from his insane winrate it looks like he got super buffed.**
: Are we still allowed to complain about ADCs?
Against popular belief, assassins are actually pretty horrible. Especially when lulu is meta, but the Jhin did have triple your kills, that urgot jungle didnt look like it worked out well on your team. Either way, yeah. Way too many shields in the game right now.
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2018-01-14T19:55:53.238+0000) > > Beca use thats not a bruisers core trifecta. lmao Oh, so the Challenger bruiser players are wrong? Understandable, have a nice day.
> [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2018-01-17T00:49:52.381+0000) > > Oh, so the Challenger bruiser players are wrong? Understandable, have a nice day. No, Triforce into black cleaver is NOT a bruiser build ( Thats what OP listed ).
: No he isn't lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zy4A9Q2E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-17T00:29:59.217+0000) > > No he isn't lol. He kinda is. 54% win rate in diamond as a champ whos supposed to be taken advantage of
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: Calm down. She has a 53% winrate not 100%.
> [{quoted}](name=Mirrormoth,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IkATM3ds,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-15T16:37:49.617+0000) > > Calm down. She has a 53% winrate not 100%. She actually has a 55% win rate
: relax bro riots balance team needs to take this one REAL slow before fixing her. as for bruisers, gotta wait another 7 months for more "gameplay thoughts" by meddler because thats all bruisers need, some thoughts by an idiot.
> [{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mKE0AEqs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-15T23:29:59.170+0000) > > relax bro riots balance team needs to take this one REAL slow before fixing her. > > > as for bruisers, gotta wait another 7 months for more "gameplay thoughts" by meddler because thats all bruisers need, some thoughts by an idiot. Nerfing her ult ad..? thats hardly a nerf
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: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qXvf0d8s,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-14T20:37:51.567+0000) > > If i was an employee at Riot i'd 100% ignore these boards. If you were an employee at Riot,you would be one of the reasons i didn't waste even 1 cent for skins anymore for the last 2 years around. :)
> [{quoted}](name=SilentBomber,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qXvf0d8s,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2018-01-15T17:58:52.201+0000) > > If you were an employee at Riot,you would be one of the reasons i didn't waste even 1 cent for skins anymore for the last 2 years around. :) A riot employee not posting on the boards would make you not buy a skin? Nice
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Rainfall (EUNE)
: if you were an employee at riot you would 100% ignore the community,it's the company policy.
> [{quoted}](name=Rainfall,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qXvf0d8s,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-01-14T20:42:01.835+0000) > > if you were an employee at riot you would 100% ignore the community,it's the company policy. I dont blame them.
: i did say below that you do not build triforce and black cleaver at the same time idc about sivir and ashe the majority of adcs build IE into RFC and shiv and LW item also if i play your game bruisers STILL have an expensive itemization **for a class that does not scale into late game** also some bruisers are forced to build triforce instead of black cleaver
> [{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000080000,timestamp=2018-01-14T19:56:41.876+0000) > > i did say below that you do not build triforce and black cleaver at the same time > idc about sivir and ashe > the majority of adcs build IE into RFC and shiv and LW item > > also if i play your game bruisers STILL have an expensive itemization **for a class that does not scale into late game** > > also some bruisers are forced to build triforce instead of black cleaver No. No you didnt. https://i.imgur.com/tc6qAPK.png You should edit your post because if i was a rioter id look at that and be like ''Alright. This is why i dont come to the boards'' I understand the hate towards certain itemizations but when you put biased posts like that intentionally trying to validate your point when its bullshit, it doesnt look good.
: @Riot, so you want to be asked questions rather than be blamed?? Ok
If i was an employee at Riot i'd 100% ignore these boards.
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-13T17:38:25.831+0000) > > {{item:3078}} 3700 gold > {{item:3071}} 3000 gold > {{item:3053}} 3200 gold > {{item:3748}} 3500 gold > {{item:3022}} 3100 gold > > meanwile > > {{item:3031}} 3400 gold > {{item:3094}} 2600 gold > {{item:3087}} 2600 gold > {{item:3036}} 2600 gold > > {{sticker:sg-poppy}} 9700-10400 for a bruiser's core trifecta 8600 for an ADC's core trifecta Why is an ADC's core trifecta that cheap when they're a late game class? {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
> [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T17:40:48.328+0000) > > 9700-10400 for a bruiser's core trifecta > > 8600 for an ADC's core trifecta > > Why is an ADC's core trifecta that cheap when they're a late game class? > {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} Beca use thats not a bruisers core trifecta. lmao
: {{item:3078}} 3700 gold {{item:3071}} 3000 gold {{item:3053}} 3200 gold {{item:3748}} 3500 gold {{item:3022}} 3100 gold meanwile {{item:3031}} 3400 gold {{item:3094}} 2600 gold {{item:3087}} 2600 gold {{item:3036}} 2600 gold {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
> [{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-13T17:38:25.831+0000) > > {{item:3078}} 3700 gold > {{item:3071}} 3000 gold > {{item:3053}} 3200 gold > {{item:3748}} 3500 gold > {{item:3022}} 3100 gold > > meanwile > > {{item:3031}} 3400 gold > {{item:3094}} 2600 gold > {{item:3087}} 2600 gold > {{item:3036}} 2600 gold > > {{sticker:sg-poppy}} Why did you list tri force and black cleaver? Nobody builds those together. You listed an adcs actual build though. Pretty biased shit right there. Try this instead {{item:3071}} 3000 gold {{item:3742}} 2900 gold {{item:3053}} 3200 gold {{item:3065}} 2800 gold You listed the best case for adcs, yet the worst ( and false ) case for top lane. If you play {{champion:15}} and {{champion:22}} your build is actually {{item:3508}} 3400 gold {{item:3031}} 3400 gold {{item:3046}} 2600 gold ( or any zeal item ) {{item:3036}} 2600 gold Equals to 12000 gold while the bruiser build Equals to 11900 gold Again, my point is to show you that what you said is bullshit. Nobody builds triforce + BC together, and you listed the best case for adcs and worst case for bruisers.
: Just had a 47 minute game.
> [{quoted}](name=TheThundersRoar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XiIEYpGb,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-14T07:18:36.510+0000) > > I miss when those were common :( I prefer the 20-25 minute games
: > [{quoted}](name=Lock On,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZALVBrdQ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-13T22:47:49.329+0000) > > Have you ever committed to learning the marksman role, ever? It's not hard to rightclick and dodge a few core spells with sidesteps and flash. Even Pants picked up Vayne randomly and curbstomped in mid master elo with no adc experience considering his Tw winrate was 40%. And for the most part the games he lost was because he fucked up after getting fed mid game even tho he inted lane
> [{quoted}](name=toxicity creep,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZALVBrdQ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-01-13T23:19:28.903+0000) > > It's not hard to rightclick and dodge a few core spells with sidesteps and flash. Even Pants picked up Vayne randomly and curbstomped in mid master elo with no adc experience considering his Tw winrate was 40%. And for the most part the games he lost was because he fucked up after getting fed mid game even tho he inted lane He asked you a question and you didnt answer. Also thats Anecdotal regarding Pants. I've picked up a new champ after never playing them and went 15-2. My experience with a champion does not equal the same as everyone elses.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=WiegrafOfValor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZALVBrdQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-13T23:46:04.432+0000) > > ADC mains are all annoying self centered in brats that wants to solo-carry the game using the class that supposed to be the more TEAM RELIANT of all other roles in the game, and the fact that RIOT cater to this spoiled casuals is the reason the game is going downhill. > > They are all spoiled kids, every single one of them, they get set up, kills, farm, peel and engage from their team and still treat them like garbage and think they are the only star on the team. > > "Muh chimp needz zkillz.. luk how I right click" > > Bunch of ass, I can farm better than them, while suffering harass and still managing to trade with my opponent, without a heal/shield slave. Every solo laner has better game knowledge and mechanics than ADC mains, yet since they can crit for 3K from +600 range they think they are the best player in the team. .......?
Azadethe (NA)
: She bullies hard as heck. One mistep = losing 90% of your HP vs Cait. And she's not an early game adc. She's a mid/late, and she excels at 1 shotting.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cM408KPT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-14T02:41:20.139+0000) > > She bullies hard as heck. One mistep = losing 90% of your HP vs Cait. And she's not an early game adc. She's a mid/late, and she excels at 1 shotting. ..?
: I winder why ADCs are so op..
Who the hell gets tri force and black cleaver together????????? Why the hell is this thread not -10. **Nobody builds that. Nobody. Stop trying to farm upvotes.**
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: Even better when there's no mention of how midlane mages and AP junglers are also buying {{item:3098}} at the same time. Nah, ONLY ADCs can abuse items, when non-ADCs do that it's "diversity".
> [{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pe5pEb04,comment-id=00200001,timestamp=2018-01-13T05:55:25.549+0000) > > Even better when there's no mention of how midlane mages and AP junglers are also buying {{item:3098}} at the same time. > > Nah, ONLY ADCs can abuse items, when non-ADCs do that it's "diversity". Dont you know? Its ONLY adcs that are at fault for everything. Nobody else!
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