SuperHornio (EUNE)
: Why does ghostcrawler blink so weirdly
> [{quoted}](name=SuperHornio,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=atuOgGxg,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-25T11:41:10.469+0000) > > watch him talk he blinks in such a weird way tf Odds are when you're past the age of 20 you usually encounter shit that affects you in the long run. As he mentioned he had an experience with jelly fish.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 22
Can we get some freaking word on Zyra's passive now. Seriously watching Zyra get ignored instead of getting a QOL + Powershift is kinda annoying.
: I remember just not long ago some ADCs would go top lane to abuse Bruisers and autowin the lane
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PEJWWGxk,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-19T01:50:59.474+0000) > > How the tides have turned. You are seriously notorious for spitting very false information at people in an attempt to make something look bad. Out of all the marksman in the game, only a select few were going Top. Those few are Quinn Lucian and Vayne ( Not including Gnar because he's not a bot laner) and two of those were nerfed out. For the Quinn pick, she gets fucked if the enemy team goes just a bit tanky or if her laner buys Tabi ( which was buffed against ranged champions ) and there is so much sustain from Dorans Shield and Second Wind that poking actually becomes absolutely useless. I'm talking Autoing the laner for 50 when Tabi is bought while the sustain they'd get actually fully counters it PER AUTO.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 15
Please tell us what's happening with Zyra plant health. Also how's your day.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 14
Can we get feedback on Zyras plant health.
  Rioter Comments
: Soraka main looking for and ADC duo who know's what they're doing...!
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 6
Whats happening with Zyras plants. Just recently I landed a 5 man ult put two Ws down and didnt even notice my plants were never there.. Basically im saying they died so fast it was as if I didnt even put them down.
Vekkna (NA)
: I genuinely do not understand what they see when they look at this problem, but it is quite evident that they are treating plant health as a delicate balance problem that needs a complex solution. That's me being charitable. I really wish we could understand their thinking when it's clearly so divergent from the player consensus. Like...why not just make them briefly invulnerable? Why is it not that simple?
> [{quoted}](name=Vekkna,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=VA1W87yI,comment-id=000e000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-23T17:11:38.112+0000) > > I genuinely do not understand what they see when they look at this problem, but it is quite evident that they are treating plant health as a delicate balance problem that needs a complex solution. That's me being charitable. > > I really wish we could understand their thinking when it's clearly so divergent from the player consensus. Like...why not just make them briefly invulnerable? Why is it not that simple? Because it makes too much sense. ANYTHING that makes sense balance change wise is a no go for riot. Meddler said ''problem is cant use plants to block ccs '' so they removed that idea if they're untargettable. Simple fix ? Make them unvulnerable. Nope makes too much sense why would they do that smh.
Meddler (NA)
: Probably something on PBE today. We were looking at making plants briefly untargetable on spawn so that they didn't get immediately one shot by melee Zyra had rooted. Got some feedback from Zyra players that that removed their ability to spawn plants to stop skillshots however. Still looking at other approaches there. In the meantime we're testing increasing her root duration slightly at all levels (1.0-2.0, from 0.75-1.75).
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=VA1W87yI,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2018-05-23T16:17:32.828+0000) > > Probably something on PBE today. We were looking at making plants briefly untargetable on spawn so that they didn't get immediately one shot by melee Zyra had rooted. Got some feedback from Zyra players that that removed their ability to spawn plants to stop skillshots however. Still looking at other approaches there. In the meantime we're testing increasing her root duration slightly at all levels (1.0-2.0, from 0.75-1.75). Just make them Invulnerable instead of Untargettable then........
Dezyrable (EUW)
: Just make them invulnerable instaed of untargetable for the same duration?
NAW THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE LMAO
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 16
Meddler, my question is how are you today.
: new players aren't welcome in our smurf filled level 3 games!!!
we're too busy focused on reworking ryze pls move along ppl
: A logical person who knows that Riot cannot just rip Zyra from support?
> [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=000a0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-13T18:22:48.322+0000) > > A logical person who knows that Riot cannot just rip Zyra from support? A silver person with a negative win rate with Zyra *
Rioter Comments
: If that's the case then she stays a support. She doesn't get to go mid ever if her support is too strong.
> [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2018-05-12T21:45:57.673+0000) > > If that's the case then she stays a support. Who the hell are you to make that judgement.
CiniFTW (EUNE)
: Upcoming Warwick Nerfs
Only took 7 months
: The goal is to make her viable in both roles, not push her out of bot lane, so the execution suggestion won't work. I've never seen people complain about her Q damage, especially since it has a weird shape now that shortened the range compared to her circular one. Her Q requires her to walk up pretty damn close. Zyra needs plant changes but removing E plants entirely is not the solution. The issue with doing the combo incorrectly comes from the addition of the plant spawn range to each of her abilities.
> [{quoted}](name=P0IS0N IVY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-05-09T21:53:21.846+0000) > > The goal is to make her viable in both roles, not push her out of bot lane, so the execution suggestion won't work. > You cant have her viable in both
: As someone that plays support and Mid zyra in Diamond, she is fine just the way she is. She may not be a "top tier" mid but she definitely can do work and plants actually help her CS a lot. Run minion dematerializer on her and you can instantly clear the back wave easily. Ludens rush pretty much every game when playing mid. {{item:3285}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3020}} is generally my build path. Rylais after ludens is extremely strong, applies slows in area of effect and it has a fair amount of AP now. Her weakness mostly is just assassins, obviously. When laning against ap assassins rush {{item:3102}} When laning against AD assassins rush {{item:3157}} if needed, if not just do ludens rush and shove them in.
> [{quoted}](name=MorgManBasher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-05-10T08:07:56.899+0000) > > As someone that plays support and Mid zyra in Diamond, she is fine just the way she is. > She may not be a "top tier" mid but she definitely can do work and plants actually help her CS a lot. > > Run minion dematerializer on her and you can instantly clear the back wave easily. Ludens rush pretty much every game when playing mid. > {{item:3285}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3020}} is generally my build path. Rylais after ludens is extremely strong, applies slows in area of effect and it has a fair amount of AP now. > > Her weakness mostly is just assassins, obviously. When laning against ap assassins rush {{item:3102}} > When laning against AD assassins rush {{item:3157}} if needed, if not just do ludens rush and shove them in. I mean no disrespect but dont say you're a diamond player when you're in gold 1.
: So you want less power in basic kit and more power in plants... Which is literally what a lot of Zyra mains complain about that her rework has already caused and made her terrible to play as...
> [{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-09T17:47:45.950+0000) > > So you want less power in basic kit and more power in plants... Which is literally what a lot of Zyra mains complain about that her rework has already caused and made her terrible to play as... A lot of Zyra mains are complaining about her plants being utterly useless and one shottable. If you E someone thats melee they auto the plants without realizing it. And please if you think my suggestion is bad you are more than **welcome** to apply yours in this discussion.
FilDaFunk (EUW)
: Ideal plant combo is melee + ranged, the slow keeps them in the range longer. The minion change you want is absolutely horrible - you're just destroying her support without actual changes to her q.
> [{quoted}](name=FilDaFunk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-09T18:55:54.865+0000) > > Ideal plant combo is melee + ranged, the slow keeps them in the range longer. > The minion change you want is absolutely horrible - you're just destroying her support without actual changes to her q. If you play Zyra, you know her plant health is atrocious >just destroying her support with actual changes to her q Thats the point.. If you destroy her going bot lane you can focus on BUFFING HER IN THE MID LANE :SS
: You shouldn't alienate support zyra players with your changes. Your goal should be to make mid as viable as support, not make mid more powerful than support.
> [{quoted}](name=The Bearded Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Grhhqeqw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-09T17:43:13.192+0000) > > You shouldn't alienate support zyra players with your changes. Your goal should be to make mid as viable as support, not make mid more powerful than support. That will never happen and i can speak on behalf of majority of Zyra players when I say we want her stronger mid than support because of all the nerfs she gets.
: It's not about talking to you, it's about effectively defending the truth in the eyes of the public. If you stop spreading lies, I will have no reason to. Otherwise I will continue to provide counterarguments to said lies.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=0000000100000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-09T17:07:47.499+0000) > > It's not about talking to you, it's about effectively defending the truth in the eyes of the public. > > If you stop spreading lies, I will have no reason to. Otherwise I will continue to provide counterarguments to said lies. I said stop talking to me. Quoting someone whos telling you they dont want to talk to you is a banneable offence.
Rioter Comments
: Actually the choices being discussed here are the choices made by abusive players to harass their less-skilled teammates. You defended said choices when you argued that it's not the abusive players' faults that they chose to be abusive towards the newer players. Nothing justifies those choices. Period. End of story.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=00000001000000000002,timestamp=2018-05-08T15:51:57.922+0000) > > Actually the choices being discussed here are the choices made by abusive players to harass their less-skilled teammates. You defended said choices when you argued that it's not the abusive players' faults that they chose to be abusive towards the newer players. > > Nothing justifies those choices. Period. End of story. Stop talking to me.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-07T20:34:17.193+0000) > > And some of our choices are building thornmail ON ASHE BECAUSE ITS RECOMMENDED. > > Holy. ok and your choice of action is being a complete ass to the new player instead of actually being helpful and giving them good advice? sorry but I used to build {{item:3004}} on {{champion:34}} every single game when I was a new player. Nobody called me anything. Sorry to burst your bubble but someone doing something you don't agree with doesn't make it ok for you to harass that person. You either give actual advice in an actual decent way or don't say anything at all. Your actions are your own. Simple as that. Stop trying to find a scapegoat for the terrible actions that other people do because they somehow want to validate their existence of being asses to everyone
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-07T21:04:26.002+0000) > > ok and your choice of action is being a complete ass to the new player instead of actually being helpful and giving them good advice? YOU THINK PEOPLE WHO SMURF IN LOW LEVEL GAMES ARE OUT THERE TO GIVE ADVICE TO NEW PLAYERS????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
: Sure, and I completely agree that Riot should take responsibility for their tutorial and for how bad it was for player understanding. But our actions are still our choices. Not Riot's. So when someone decides to verbally abuse a teammate for following bad advice, it's still the abuser's fault for choosing to be abusive. The newer player making a stupid choice does not magically make that abuse okay. Being upset does not magically absolve you of guilt for your choices and actions.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-07T20:00:08.054+0000) > > Sure, and I completely agree that Riot should take responsibility for their tutorial and for how bad it was for player understanding. > > But our actions are still our choices. And some of our choices are building thornmail ON ASHE BECAUSE ITS RECOMMENDED. Holy.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-07T19:31:54.921+0000) > > "It's the city's fault I'm assaulting people because the city released a PSA that encouraged said people to do stupid things that annoy me" > > Yeah great argument buddy, let me know how that turns out in a court of law. > > Edit: and I'm not the one who downvoted your post. So don't take it out on me. Someone else made that choice, not me. The city would be sued for millions upon millions of dollars for incitement.
> [{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-07T20:11:57.621+0000) > > The city would be sued for millions upon millions of dollars for incitement. ^
: Yelling at teammates for building or playing wrong is a non-starter. That's not Riot's fault. Maybe the fault is shared, but players quitting the game is still primarily the fault of dickheads who yell at players who know less than them.
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJBhUorY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T19:05:02.120+0000) > > Yelling at teammates for building or playing wrong is a non-starter. That's not Riot's fault. > > Maybe the fault is shared, but players quitting the game is still primarily the fault of dickheads who yell at players who know less than them. Uh yeah it kinda is Riots fault when ''building thornmail'' is encouraged.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QJaPjfgO,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T04:11:29.887+0000) > > Nope its about crit adcs. The whole pargraph on that is on crit adcs, go look at the rioters writing it explicitly states that. ok hope i was talking about the paragraph that I responded to, not the riot response you ogre
> [{quoted}](name=After The Storm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QJaPjfgO,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T19:55:07.595+0000) > > ok hope i was talking about the paragraph that I responded to, not the riot response you ogre Idk where we went wrong. My comments about crit adcs though, falling behind on any of them is kinda stupid and frustrating
: The Inf. edge change on PBE is a buff against anything with more than 62.5 armor
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vujrNylc,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-03T15:05:32.427+0000) > I call bullshit on it being a nerf to the 2 item power spike. And you are making BotRK cheaper and LW items are total armor so health stacking is also less effective. How many times are people going to post their inaccurate math. Read the post below.
: Going back to the roots. ADCs are based off of the rightclick-based "carry" role in DotA. They were called that for two reasons. You *carry* them to late game and they'll *carry* you to victory. Not *just* because they're incredible sources of damage, but because there's a huge huge huge amount of factors to mitigate, if not nullify the impact of abilities. So they needed a source of damage output that wasn't so readily countered. Even then they're still easily able to be worked around by baiting out key cooldowns (usually a Black King Bar, total immunity to most abilities, disables, etc., for several seconds, or similar). DotA's carry class and its players legitimately spend most of the game power farming. And having other teammates set things up to facilitate that powerfarm. They sometimes don't even help an ally who's dying a screen away from them, the farm is that important. Getting your carry to *carry* is a team wide effort. Whereas in League, by comparison, it basically falls into their lap. Yes they are glassy and that's an intended weakness of them. Their team is meant to keep them safe and it's the fault of their entire side if the person who they've decided to be their win condition wasn't kept safe. League's carries are meant to be strong, I agree. But they're too strong too soon, and too easily. They're largely meant to be a late game focused class of characters, that can be crippled during the early and middle stages of the game. It's supremely hard to punish them during their supposed low periods. Even "bully" carries, who trade off late game massive power for more of it earlier, in an effort to end the game before the other carry gets fully kitted out, are suffering. Also, anecdotal evidence means jack. Good for you managing to survive a different role but the marksman role is legitimately pumping out far more damage than they had in the past, there's no two ways about it. People are blowing it out of proportion but they often do to try to get their point across.
> [{quoted}](name=TheSandQrator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ez7Ah5pc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-03T16:28:29.752+0000) > > Going back to the roots. > > > League's carries are meant to be strong, I agree. > But they're too strong too soon {{champion:45}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:50}} Are all champs who have extremely great scaling and arent supposed to be that good in the beginning but are all fucking strong in the beginning too. The ''ADCS ARE SUPPOSED TO SCALE LATE GAME NOT EARLY'' is bullshit excuse to use because nearly every late game scaler is scaling extremely early too. This is a combination of many many things. You dont remember GP scaling at 10 minutes a few months ago? :S.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QJaPjfgO,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-05-02T18:37:52.013+0000) > > Kaisa isnt a crit adc. The whole paragraph was referenced to a crit adc. he said hypercarry not crit adc hello???
> [{quoted}](name=After The Storm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QJaPjfgO,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-02T22:23:58.424+0000) > > he said hypercarry not crit adc hello??? Nope its about crit adcs. The whole pargraph on that is on crit adcs, go look at the rioters writing it explicitly states that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QJaPjfgO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-30T19:44:57.358+0000) > > I heavily disagree with this sentence > > If you have ever played a hypercarry and died in lane due to a 3-4 man gank etc, you know how **easily** you become useless for atleast 10-15 minutes. That is a load of bullshit, You do fall behind extremely hard. depends on the champion in that case, imo if you are behind on jinx yeah because you need about two items to do a decent amount of damage, but on someone like kai'sa you spike at one item and have the base damages to back it up so it's not too bad. still, idk why you got downvoted
> [{quoted}](name=After The Storm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QJaPjfgO,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-05-01T21:08:33.040+0000) > > depends on the champion in that case, imo > > if you are behind on jinx yeah because you need about two items to do a decent amount of damage, but on someone like kai'sa you spike at one item and have the base damages to back it up so it's not too bad. still, idk why you got downvoted Kaisa isnt a crit adc. The whole paragraph was referenced to a crit adc.
: Math and other stuff on PBE ADC changes
You should probably give credit to the person who did the calculations... I can see traces of copy and paste
: The List of changes to Marksmen and others that're coming to the PBE soon!
I heavily disagree with this sentence >Getting killed as a hypercarry in lane doesnt put you behind If you have ever played a hypercarry and died in lane due to a 3-4 man gank etc, you know how **easily** you become useless for atleast 10-15 minutes. That is a load of bullshit, You do fall behind extremely hard.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Am I just supposed to rush a Warmogs against Darius?
> [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=63EOsKOB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-30T13:43:05.272+0000) > > Is there actually a point to building anything other than flat HP? Try to get some armor then it gets reduced by conquerers then by his passive shred on E then again by BC then for the kicker the huge true damage ult. > > Legit wtf are you supposed to do if you aren't playing a handful of champs that hard counter him? He just gets his conquerors ready on minions then stands there waiting to stat check you into the dirt if you go anywhere near the minions. Cant even play around it because if he touches you once his bleed keeps the conquerors up for an eternity. Such a shit design. And people wonder why people are taking mages top. Maybe its because of braindead stat checks that kick half the potential top lane roster out. Darius is a champ that kills people who don't know wtf they're doing. He actually has some extremely bad matchups. Try Fiora and Q into his body when he Qs
: > [{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QQXYsVOl,comment-id=00030000000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-28T11:19:28.124+0000) > > Wait, you mean to tell me that a Q-AA-E from Viktor at level 5 with get outtraded by a couple Jinx autos, somehow? This is called Cherry picking. Finding an ADC with weak early trades and setting up the trade in a way that is optimal for the mage. Funny thing is Lucian can dump on Viktor if he goes for a trade like this. Jinx can max Zap and outrange/poke Viktor and she wins the All in till 6. If she was built for the 1 v 1 {{item:3155}} she wins the all in the whole game i think...
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QQXYsVOl,comment-id=000300000002000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-28T13:41:28.575+0000) > > This is called Cherry picking. Finding an ADC with weak early trades and setting up the trade in a way that is optimal for the mage. > > Funny thing is Lucian can dump on Viktor if he goes for a trade like this. Jinx can max Zap and outrange/poke Viktor and she wins the All in till 6. If she was built for the 1 v 1 {{item:3155}} she wins the all in the whole game i think... ITS CHERRY PICKING WHEN HE USES JINX FOR WEAK EARLY GAME BUT IT'S NOT CHERRY PICKING THE GUY AGAINST ADCS USED DRAVEN????????????? these boards are fucking unreal
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: April 27
Can we get some insight on Zyras plants. You can W-W-Q-R and her plants will disappear because the low health.
: Hey man. Sorry this took so long. Life finds a way to get in the way :(. unfortunately, I've been unable to wrangle the help needed for this, I'm really sorry :(. Right now our illustrators are deep into their ongoing projects, and don't have the bandwidth to spare. Sorry for that unsatisfying answer. Best of luck finding someone to help though!
> [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=36eyi4mE,comment-id=00000002000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-26T23:16:26.960+0000) > > Hey man. Sorry this took so long. Life finds a way to get in the way :(. > > unfortunately, I've been unable to wrangle the help needed for this, I'm really sorry :(. Right now our illustrators are deep into their ongoing projects, and don't have the bandwidth to spare. Sorry for that unsatisfying answer. Best of luck finding someone to help though! Yeah, id imagine they really do wanna help but are just busy.
: WHY DID DARIUS GET A BUFF?
I'll be honest with you, Darius is a noob stomper yes but he can very very very easily be beat.. Any champ that can dash **into** him when he Qs automatically wins the trade because his Q does like 30% of the damage if its not hit by the end and he doesnt get a stack NOR heal..
: It's almost like Doran's Blade gives healing. It's almost like Vamp Scepter could give sustain (except there is literally NO reason to buy it as it stands). It's almost like every support besides Brand/Zyra CAN heal the ADC through Relic Shield or their inherent heals. The problem is the fact FFW allows you to skip a lifesteal item besides DBlade and buy a second zeal item so you end up doing more damage than you would with PtA/Lethal Tempo anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=My Waifu Vanilla,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q40Bq64R,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-04-24T23:37:25.339+0000) > > It's almost like Doran's Blade gives healing. 3% lifesteal. To put it in perspective, you hit a minion for 50 early. 3% of 50 is 1.5. You have to hit a minion around 50 times to heal back what Janna would do to you with just her W very early. >It's almost like Vamp Scepter could give sustain (except there is literally NO reason to buy it as it stands). Not a single marksmen besides Kaisa and Draven buy life steal in lane. >It's almost like every support besides Brand/Zyra CAN heal the ADC through Relic Shield or their inherent heals. By any support you mean melee supports (TK,Alistar,Taric) All whom are given the heal on relic shield because they are champs who are 100% weak to poke lanes...? >The problem is the fact FFW allows you to skip a lifesteal item besides DBlade and buy a second zeal item so you end up doing more damage than you would with PtA/Lethal Tempo anyway. Ok so take out FF and dorans blade. Now any poke that happens forces you out of lane = Lane ending sooner =Tower being taken way faster = Harder snowballing for bot lane You want that???
: Remember when ADCs had to build lifesteal to access sustain?
> [{quoted}](name=iPooUnicorns,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q40Bq64R,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-24T16:39:06.875+0000) > > Ohhh I member. > > Now you just coast through laning phase with Fleet Footwork, even with the nerfs to it. Would you rather adcs go 0-7 because the enemy support poked him out of lane nonstop? No?? Bot lane is already a shit fest, ADCs like LIVING.
: > [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERPoWBwH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-24T03:26:59.686+0000) > > Crits are getting a rework, but it wont be that. The idea is to remove RNG from them. > > Nerfing crit that much would utterly destroy balance, so the entire ADC class would need an update along with it, not to mention most fighters as well. This would target the "2 item scaling" of marksmen and make them more focused around late game allowing for other clases to be more relavante early to late game. It is not something I am saying which will happen but simply a suggestion.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERPoWBwH,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-04-24T05:18:08.298+0000) > > This would target the "2 item scaling" of marksmen and make them more focused around late game allowing for other clases to be more relavante early to late game. > > It is not something I am saying which will happen but simply a suggestion. There are a bunch.. Of champions who are supposed to be late game monsters but scale at one to two items... Don't target adcs because you can't 1v2
Show more

Hópe

Level 107 (NA)
Lifetime Upvotes
Create a Discussion