Rexxiee (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JqBq6Vj7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-12T17:36:08.657+0000) > > Just because we find a champion is annoying to play against does not mean that they _should_ be nerfed. > > If a champion is annoying to play against, or feels unfair, we should figure out how best to play against them before we demand that they be nerfed. I guess LCK pros just dont know how to play the game! Urgot is the most balanced champ in the game!!! Sarcasm.
> [{quoted}](name=Rexxiee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JqBq6Vj7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-09-12T18:32:04.555+0000) > > I guess LCK pros just dont know how to play the game! Urgot is the most balanced champ in the game!!! > > Sarcasm. That was uncalled for. Don't be a dick. Are pros calling for Urgot to be nerfed?
: Nope. I told the rioter what they did, asked if that was supposed to be allowed in league, and then asked why the person was still playing after 2-5 weeks.
In other words you were passive-aggressive and combative. Asking why a person is still playing after x time is the passive aggressive equivalent to demanding that a punishment be given. I can see why statements such as those would have been ignored.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fqeVIZ5e,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-12T17:43:33.512+0000) > > Well I wonder if that has anything to do with what you wrote in your tickets.... > > When people write in demanding that another player get punished, Riot support tunes out, stops paying attention, and stops caring. The first half.
Well did you demand that a punishment be given?
: ***
It's not personal, "the act of suggesting it is unethical." That doesn't mean that you are an unethical person, it only means that that act is unethical. It's a criticism of the choice to spread such a message, not a criticism of you as a person.
: Why do ppl hate support?
Support as a role is lots of fun to me. But I can totally see why people wouldn't want it: 1. You're stuck in lane with a partner, and if they screw up you get affected by it more than the other teammates will be. 2. It's not the role, it's the way other players act. Enough of ADC players act entitled and will shove off blame onto the support when things go wrong. Lots of people don't like being the brunt of a teammate's worst tendencies. And it's worse for support than it is for solo laners.
: Personal opinions do not make a case either. I have submitted to support multiple times and got the same copy paste each time. None have been banned in 4 years.
Well I wonder if that has anything to do with what you wrote in your tickets.... When people write in demanding that another player get punished, Riot support tunes out, stops paying attention, and stops caring. When people write in politely asking for a manual review to be made, they are way more likely to listen. All that aside, suggesting that someone can get away with inting only encourages people to int. It's unethical to even suggest.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Boy its fun to play against urgot as a melee top laner
Just because we find a champion is annoying to play against does not mean that they _should_ be nerfed. If a champion is annoying to play against, or feels unfair, we should figure out how best to play against them before we demand that they be nerfed.
: I can see communicating with you isn't of much value. I'll try one more time though. You didn't disagree with me, you failed to understand how a written language works. I never meant that absolutely nobody cared, but rather that the community as a whole has gone from flooding the front page to now complaining about everything else again. Your comment was that not EVERYONE has stopped caring, which was never the point of my comment (or the point of the post at all). Not sure how to speak to someone who is so completely lost in a basic dialogue...
If you mean that people have stopped flooding the boards with complaints about PAX, then say "Now that people have stopped flooding the boards about PAX..." It's not my fault you chose to treat me like an inferior being just because you're annoyed with me. I would have accepted what you said if you hadn't made demeaning implications about me while trying to articulate your point.
: Can you come back after checking out my latest morg ranked game?
Anecdotal evidence does not a case make. If you feel that a player in one of your games inted, submit a support ticket to ensure that it gets manually reviewed. It catches up to them eventually. Even if the system is slow, it still enforces the rules.
: Is it too easy to get perma banned?
If you haven't had any punishments since your suspension 2-3 years ago (and if you have played consistently since then) then it seems kind of unusual to get a permanent ban. Your best bet would be to submit a polite support ticket asking why you were escalated straight to perma when you hadn't had any other recent punishments. They might lower the restriction. Just do your best to be open and polite, that's the most likely way to be listened to by them.
: ***
Don't spread false information. You're going to get people banned when they try that.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 12
Would it work to turn warmogs regeneration into an active? It could have a cooldown then, in order to make it more controlled?
Mc Truck (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T20:38:24.208+0000) > > mmkay, so just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm going to list some things I believe we agree on. Feel free to correct me, because I'm not trying to corner you. > > 1. Instigators are at fault for doing things to make the game worse for everyone. > > 2. It's not a good idea to respond to an instigator by being inflammatory too (ie. flaming back). > > > Now something we sort of agree on: > > _Both instigators and counter-flamers should be punished to some extent because they both do things that make the game worse, **however** people who react to instigators shouldn't be punished as harshly because they would not have been toxic had something not been started._ > > That's something I can sort of agree on, but the problem occurs when we try to define who started it. It's not so cut and dry in most situations. > > Let's look at the example I gave in my last comment to you, it's possible to _mistakenly_ think someone is trolling, flame them for trolling, and then have them flame back because they feel attacked. Now who started it? Both players think the other one started it. > > If they think that they won't get in as much trouble because they weren't the one who started things, then both players may let-loose with both barrels thinking they're safe. it's much better to simply prohibit that sort of behavior regardless of who started it. That way nobody has any leeway to think they can get away with it or should get away with it. I can agree on it, for the most part. The issue is that some cases ARE cut and dry. People come here on forums and complain that they were harrassed like there was no tomorrow, failed to control themselves and, having previous history of way more toxic behaviour got permabanned. These are not even toxic players, they are basically reformed and they write about it here and in Riot's support and we are hammering in "you weren't saint, we like it that you got removed, you were on thin ice so it doesn't matter that you became much beter". Well, it matters. And a human in rito support can check it and downgrade the ban to two weeks/a month/anything not permanent, even if the behaviour is still somewhat unacceptable. They do not do that. > Riot does the best they can, but retaliating against trolling or flaming has the same negative impact on the game as trolling or flaming in the first place does. And since the system already punishes you based on what you do rather than based on what the other person did, this ensures that you won't be punished too harshly if you didn't do something all that bad. I disagree about two things here. Firstly, negative effect of passive-aggressive behaviour, and even being racist or homophobe(legit one, not just droping slurs) has not even remotely as negative of an effect on the game as running it down mid. And the second - the system that can, even in theory, permaban you for chatting, which is not a game mechanic, is already too harsh > The punishment received is proportional to the severity of the behavior and the track record that the punished player has so far. Someone who doesn't instigate stuff won't have as much of a track record, and chances are they will get a chat restriction rather than a more severe punishment. Meanwhile the player who instigated it is likely someone who does that sort of thing often already, so they're more likely to have a track record. At this point I feel like I'm rambling so I'll stop here. Do you get where I'm going with this? I can receive a two week ban for hating on people without prior warnings(which might seem fair, because racists are widely considered subhuman for some reason, but in reality it's not), not do it ever again and then get permabanned for something like "stfu you are pathetic XD", "ff", "ff", "you've lost it, ff". Do you think that's not a problem to be solved?
> [{quoted}](name=Mc Truck,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-12T05:25:34.303+0000) > > I can agree on it, for the most part. The issue is that some cases ARE cut and dry. People come here on forums and complain that they were harrassed like there was no tomorrow, failed to control themselves and, having previous history of way more toxic behaviour got permabanned. These are not even toxic players, they are basically reformed and they write about it here and in Riot's support and we are hammering in "you weren't saint, we like it that you got removed, you were on thin ice so it doesn't matter that you became much beter". Well, it matters. And a human in rito support can check it and downgrade the ban to two weeks/a month/anything not permanent, even if the behaviour is still somewhat unacceptable. They do not do that. Alright I'm onboard with you too at least up to this point. > I disagree about two things here. > Firstly, negative effect of passive-aggressive behaviour, and even being racist or homophobe(legit one, not just droping slurs) has not even remotely as negative of an effect on the game as running it down mid. > > And the second - the system that can, even in theory, permaban you for chatting, which is not a game mechanic, is already too harsh I don't really agree on these two things. Each punishable behavior is given different harshness of punishment. Inting is an escalated punishment, so is hate speech. Passive aggressiveness is punished less severely. Punishments still escalate anyways if you do punishable things repeatedly, but that's because people who refuse to learn and change need to be removed somehow, otherwise they will keep making other players miserable and adding to the toxicity in the game. And chat _is_ a game mechanic. It's a team game, teamwork and cooperation is a part of it. Misuse of chat for the purpose of trying to make another person feel miserable should always be stopped somehow. > I can receive a two week ban for hating on people without prior warnings(which might seem fair, because racists are widely considered subhuman for some reason, but in reality it's not), not do it ever again and then get permabanned for something like "stfu you are pathetic XD", "ff", "ff", "you've lost it, ff". > > Do you think that's not a problem to be solved? I happen to agree about this point. I think that different behaviors should be punished on different ladders.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=P1lENpfT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-12T16:07:08.001+0000) > > Would have updooted for the quality joke. Had to abstain due to the poll. Fuk
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=P1lENpfT,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-09-12T16:09:31.819+0000) > > Fuk Know you don't care, that's chill. Just wish you wouldn't use stuff like that.
: Fair enough, but generalizations are exactly that. Hyperbole is used to talk about a group in general, and it's a common colloquialism that we all understand. But, if you must be spoken to as a person born out of time, without the understanding of the common nuances of language, I'll apologize. I do not mean everyone, I mean most by the lack of threads on the front page regarding the sexism debacle. I'm sorry for offending you by using basic linguistic tools that are lost on this kindergarten country.
> [{quoted}](name=slippykitten,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AOE3Angv,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-09-12T16:22:01.881+0000) > > But, if you must be spoken to as a person born out of time, without the understanding of the common nuances of language, I&#x27;ll apologize. Aww, I'm sorry for not kissing your feet and falling in line <3 I know it's frustrating when people disagree with you, but you should really learn not to treat them like lesser beings when they do.
: The password to my league account is the last 10 digits of pi
Would have updooted for the quality joke. Had to abstain due to the poll.
: Now that nobody cares about Riot's sexism anymore...
Claiming that nobody cares is rather presumptuous of you. You don't speak for everyone.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5UvKz6gz,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T20:59:11.788+0000) > > PY means that you knew flaming is bannable. > > The disconnect here comes from you not understanding that what you did counts as flaming. > > If you knew flaming is bannable, and if you understood that what you did would be considered flaming, then you would know that you were banned for flaming. I didnt chat restrict for flame because i am not toxic i got banned because i kept arguing with a flamer in my team instead of muting and reporting him
> [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5UvKz6gz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-11T20:50:51.709+0000) > > Repeatedly trying to blame someone for the game going poorly is considered by Riot to be flaming. > > And that aside, what exactly would you hope to accomplish by laying the blame at their feet? Do you honestly think they&#x27;re going to listen to you if you make them feel singled out and attacked?
: Should nocturne get a rework?
Yes, from my perspective he's too stat-checky and doesn't have much in terms of mechanical counterplay. When he's strong theres not much you can do against him, and when he's weak there's not much you can accomplish as him.
: 13 and black
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JJhMQH8s,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-09-11T21:58:54.455+0000) > > 13 and black Hi there, the other thread got deleted before I could respond, but I did get to see your response and I wanted to apologize and acknowledge stuff: Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't realize that the joke they were making was less about the perpetrators of the event and actually was more about the victims. I appreciate that you respectfully pointed this out to me, because it gave me the nudge I needed to realize I needed to change my view of it. Had you been harsher I might have got defensive and not realized why I was mistaken. So I want to thank you, and I wanted to let you know that you had a positive impact with that comment today.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lRh99IJy,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-09-11T21:02:45.080+0000) > > I don&#x27;t ban champs because of their winrate. I ban champs that I find are frustrating to play against. > > Win rate is irrelevant anyways because it&#x27;s the average, and there&#x27;s no telling if my opponent will be above or below that average. If you are in the same game as that player, assuming he isn't smurfing, he's at or around your skill level. That is a moot point.
> [{quoted}](name=SugeMinPikk,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lRh99IJy,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-09-11T21:33:04.218+0000) > > If you are in the same game as that player, assuming he isn&#x27;t smurfing, he&#x27;s at or around your skill level. That is a moot point. "At or around your skill level" In a perfect world with perfect matchmaking? Yes. Matchmaking isn't perfect though. 1. Every champion has a learning curve, we have no way of knowing if an opponent who _would_ pick the champion are at the beginning or end of that learning curve. 2. Additionally it could be that player's first game of the day, or it could be their 4th or 5th game of the day. Or they could be someone who hasn't played in several days or even several weeks, but who - when they stopped playing - had the MMR that I have now, so are getting matched with me despite the fact that they're actually rusty. 3. The player could be tilted, or the opposite of tilted, "in their groove" so to speak. 4. That player could be smurfing or could be boosted. All of these things affect their likelihood to play better or worse than me and wind up winning or losing against me in a given match. The champion's average win-rate is a general indicator of a champion's effectiveness, but it's not a foolproof way to extrapolate whether or not I'm going to win a match. I would much rather base my ban off of which champions I feel are harder to deal with. If I've seen, or read about a certain champion doing things that are very difficult to play against (for example Yi during the funneling meta), then I would much rather ban them for that reason than say that "just because of their winrate, they should be banned."
feelihipo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=UnwardiI,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qR1n7lLF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-05T20:37:56.848+0000) > > Very good. > > Now if you believe that, give 10% of your earnings to a woman to equalize the gender pay gap. > > Now that you&#x27;ve done that, give your job to a woman because you only have it due to un-earned male privilege and take a less senior position. If a Government were to take 5% of the paycheck of every man in order to boost the paycheck of every woman by 5% so they would both receive equal pay, _that would be the goddamned right thing to do._ This isn't about losing what's *rightfully* yours, it's about losing privilege.
> [{quoted}](name=feelihipo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qR1n7lLF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-05T20:39:54.860+0000) > > If a Government were to take 5% of the paycheck of every man in order to boost the paycheck of every woman by 5% so they would both receive equal pay, _that would be the goddamned right thing to do._ > This isn&#x27;t about losing what&#x27;s *rightfully* yours, it&#x27;s about losing privilege. Equality of outcome is not the same thing as equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome is a dangerous metric to measure balance with. Women in a particular job should have the same opportunity for the same pay and for pay raises as a man working the exact same job. This would be a good metric to measure balance with. So for example a woman working in engineering or in game design should get similar pay to a man who's been working in the same position for the same number of years, performing at a similar level. It seems to me to be unreasonable to take money out of a man's paycheck in engineering in order to give more pay to a woman doing secretarial work would not be a fair way of doing things. You have to look at it the other way around too and see if you think it would be fair: What if we took money out of a woman's paycheck in engineering in order to give a raise to a man who's doing secretarial work? Would that be fair?
: "I will not stop banning _____ until they are below x% winrate"
I don't ban champs because of their winrate. I ban champs that I find are frustrating to play against. Win rate is irrelevant anyways because it's the average, and there's no telling if my opponent will be above or below that average.
: I just find it annoying that every time I check my security camera when packages arrive I see the workers throwing boxes towards my door, good riddance unless they can change my opinion {{champion:23}}
> [{quoted}](name=RightClick McGee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rZneUFrI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-11T20:59:39.778+0000) > > I just find it annoying that every time I check my security camera when packages arrive I see the workers throwing boxes towards my door, good riddance unless they can change my opinion {{champion:23}} This is just one more reason why I prefer to pick my packages up rather than have them delivered.
: > [{quoted}](name=PurpleYukari,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5UvKz6gz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-11T20:01:40.609+0000) > > I think you know why you got a chat restriction. I dont
PY means that you knew flaming is bannable. The disconnect here comes from you not understanding that what you did counts as flaming. If you knew flaming is bannable, and if you understood that what you did would be considered flaming, then you would know that you were banned for flaming.
: Chat restriction for this?
Repeatedly trying to blame someone for the game going poorly is considered by Riot to be flaming. And that aside, what exactly would you hope to accomplish by laying the blame at their feet? Do you honestly think they're going to listen to you if you make them feel singled out and attacked?
Mc Truck (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T18:02:13.257+0000) > > If a victim commits a wrong by responding in a manner that is inflammatory, they should be punished for being inflammatory. > > If we expect trolls and toxic people to have self control and not do things to their teammates, then it is only fair to also expect those teammates to have self control and not go off on a toxic player for being toxic. > > All of that ignores the problem of false perceptions. I have had really really bad teammates before, so bad that I thought they were trolling. But they weren&#x27;t trolling, they were just rusty at the game. By your logic I would be well within my rights to flame them for trolling, because they trolled me. But in reality I was wrong and I just flamed an innocent player who didn&#x27;t deserve it. See how it becomes a problem if we allow retaliatory flaming? If you attack a bad player for being bad and he responds with the suggestion to go fuck yourself - he might not be in the right, but where you should get chat restricted for attacking a teammate, he would be fine getting away with a friendly warning without honor penalties, especially for the first time. Edit: to make it clear - flaming back is not right and should be discouraged, I agree on that, but it shouldn't be punished as hard as initiating a conflict.
mmkay, so just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm going to list some things I believe we agree on. Feel free to correct me, because I'm not trying to corner you. 1. Instigators are at fault for doing things to make the game worse for everyone. 2. It's not a good idea to respond to an instigator by being inflammatory too (ie. flaming back). Now something we sort of agree on: _Both instigators and counter-flamers should be punished to some extent because they both do things that make the game worse, **however** people who react to instigators shouldn't be punished as harshly because they would not have been toxic had something not been started._ That's something I can sort of agree on, but the problem occurs when we try to define who started it. It's not so cut and dry in most situations. Let's look at the example I gave in my last comment to you, it's possible to _mistakenly_ think someone is trolling, flame them for trolling, and then have them flame back because they feel attacked. Now who started it? Both players think the other one started it. If they think that they won't get in as much trouble because they weren't the one who started things, then both players may let-loose with both barrels thinking they're safe. it's much better to simply prohibit that sort of behavior regardless of who started it. That way nobody has any leeway to think they can get away with it or should get away with it. Riot does the best they can, but retaliating against trolling or flaming has the same negative impact on the game as trolling or flaming in the first place does. And since the system already punishes you based on what you do rather than based on what the other person did, this ensures that you won't be punished too harshly if you didn't do something all that bad. The punishment received is proportional to the severity of the behavior and the track record that the punished player has so far. Someone who doesn't instigate stuff won't have as much of a track record, and chances are they will get a chat restriction rather than a more severe punishment. Meanwhile the player who instigated it is likely someone who does that sort of thing often already, so they're more likely to have a track record. At this point I feel like I'm rambling so I'll stop here. Do you get where I'm going with this?
Malza (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AZT2M0T5,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T19:24:01.531+0000) > > You don&#x27;t win peoples respect for your cause by mistreating them. > > They could be dead wrong and incredibly foolish, but if you talk down at them that&#x27;s more effective than hitting their cat (at making them stop listening and start hating you and your cause). The thing is it doesn’t matter if they are dead wrong, as they are not working on a fact based argument. There is no way to bring most of the people who believe that over to the other side, there is only a way to bring people who are kind of undecided. The only way many people will ever learn the truth about any number of issues is if they go into it willing to learn, and if you’re going on these forums claiming that all of the women who complained are liars you probably aren’t willing to learn.
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AZT2M0T5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T19:38:30.851+0000) > > The thing is it doesn’t matter if they are dead wrong, as they are not working on a fact based argument. There is no way to bring most of the people who believe that over to the other side, there is only a way to bring people who are kind of undecided. Fact based arguing is not the only way to argue. Again, not saying that people are right or wrong to oppose you. > The only way many people will ever learn the truth about any number of issues is if they go into it willing to learn, and if you’re going on these forums claiming that all of the women who complained are liars you probably aren’t willing to learn. You're missing the point. The people you're opposed to aren't the only ones who's opinions are at stake and are affected by your petty behavior. You galvanize bystanders against your side of things when they see that people who stand for your side of things act petty and rude. Some people are willing to learn, and some people can be persuaded to open up. Some of them (and some bystanders too) are capable of having their minds changed to agree with your point of view. But not if you act rude and immature and use strawman arguments. Then all you do is galvanize people (opposition and bystanders alike) against your side of things.
: Why would you W {{summoner:4}} ? Q W AA W2 {{summoner:14}}
It's an option if you need to change where Q will pass through.
Gabriyel (NA)
: Advice for using talon?
People need to farm, use that to your advantage. When they come forwards, use your W to get a stack on them. If they don't dodge the second proc then you can flash Q + Ignite all-in them. Another option is to jump forwards to one of their caster minions using Q (make sure it will kill the minion to give you the 50% cooldown refund) and then use that closeness to help you land both parts of your W. The second Rake should slow them which gives you time to close the gap either walking or by using your Q when it comes back off it's reduced cooldown.
Malza (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AZT2M0T5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T17:25:56.783+0000) > > This isn&#x27;t productive, even if your intentions are good. Don&#x27;t present other peoples&#x27; arguments like this. It&#x27;s petty and just makes you look terrible. Then maybe people should respect that while Kotaku has obvious left leaning bias (compared to them) it still publishes fact based articles. It’s not some “fake news” site and there was no rational reason to ever say the story was fake even if you hate Kotaku. There is no way to spin the stories in that article to give another narrative other than the one they put forth which means their left leaning bias does not really matter. And frankly, anyone who thinks the testimonies of dozens of people who work at Riot / used to “isn’t enough evidence” do not have much of the slightest understanding of how probability works.
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AZT2M0T5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T19:14:14.739+0000) > > Then maybe people should respect that while Kotaku has obvious left leaning bias (compared to them) it still publishes fact based articles. > > It’s not some “fake news” site and there was no rational reason to ever say the story was fake even if you hate Kotaku. > > There is no way to spin the stories in that article to give another narrative other than the one they put forth which means their left leaning bias does not really matter. You don't win peoples respect for your cause by mistreating them. They could be dead wrong and incredibly foolish, but if you talk down at them that's more effective than hitting their cat (at making them stop listening and start hating you and your cause).
Uriel (EUW)
: "reports over time, or total number of games reported in."
> [{quoted}](name=Uriel,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T19:07:49.652+0000) > > &quot;reports over time, or total number of games reported in.&quot; ["only applies if the person had been confirmed to be breaking that rule in the other examples too."] Well yes, that goes without saying. Valid reports are the only ones that matter. However, Riot also looks at outliers directly. So if a person is trolling in a manner that the system cannot catch and they accumulate a lot of games for which they have been reported, Riot is supposed to manually review them. in the end, FSun is right. If someone bugs you, report them instead of flaming them. And if their behavior is punishable, then it will catch up to them eventually.
Lakega (NA)
: Why trolls win in this game.. and why league is dieing.. #2
Reports don't stack, it wouldn't matter if they got everyone in the game to 9x report you. If you did nothing wrong then the system would throw out their reports and do nothing against you. Please share your chat logs that came with your reform card when you got banned. Without those we can't help you to figure out what you need to do to avoid being banned in the future.
Lakega (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9O6EEWad,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T18:06:25.291+0000) > > i can wait for your data sheet and explanations. > > go take that and show me. There are many many red flags, proofs, points, and facts that show, suggest, and are pretty solid evidence that league is "dieing" Now when I say dieing I'm talking about the game greatly falling off in number of players, not dieing off into obscurity with 0 players and a footnote in history. Completely die? probably not, probably will turn into a WoW situation where its still got a reasonable amount of players, but nothing close to what it used to have, or the popularity it used to have, and the numbers slowly dwindling more nad more each year. I'm not out to waste my time convincing someone who's so apparently closed minded and ignorant though. Thats a massive waste of my time, and someone who instantly argues about only stats and numbers isn't someone who you can have an intelligent debate or conversation with, because they can't see past the numbers, and my 30 years of life xperience has shown me those types of people like you have virtually no critical thinking skills, which is important. So again, waste of my time.
If you refuse to define where the goalpost is, you can just keep shifting it. How many players are we talking about for this "die-off?"
Mc Truck (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T17:10:38.211+0000) > > It&#x27;s really not. But if you need to keep telling yourself that so you can feel superior to me then go ahead. > > # The instigator (troll or toxic person) is always at fault for the situation. > > My point is that there are choices that a person can make to deal with this in the meantime until Riot sorts the toxic person out. It&#x27;s bad for the victim to express frustration in-game because it _does_ make a troll want to troll more. I&#x27;m not blaming victims when I say this, it&#x27;s just a fact of how trolling works. > > Unless you&#x27;re willing to stop strawmanning me, this conversation is over. And here is a good start. Should the victim who expresses frustration, because it's a human(y'know), receive the same punshment as the abuser?
If a victim commits a wrong by responding in a manner that is inflammatory, they should be punished for being inflammatory. If we expect trolls and toxic people to have self control and not do things to their teammates, then it is only fair to also expect those teammates to have self control and not go off on a toxic player for being toxic. All of that ignores the problem of false perceptions. I have had really really bad teammates before, so bad that I thought they were trolling. But they weren't trolling, they were just rusty at the game. By your logic I would be well within my rights to flame them for trolling, because they trolled me. But in reality I was wrong and I just flamed an innocent player who didn't deserve it. See how it becomes a problem if we allow retaliatory flaming?
Malza (NA)
: BuT tHe KoTaKu StOrY wAs a FaLsE FlAg RiOt JuSt toOk A PlEa DeAl
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AZT2M0T5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-10T22:22:31.837+0000) > > BuT tHe KoTaKu StOrY wAs a FaLsE FlAg RiOt JuSt toOk A PlEa DeAl This isn't productive, even if your intentions are good. Don't present other peoples' arguments like this. It's petty and just makes you look terrible.
Mc Truck (EUW)
: ***
It's really not. But if you need to keep telling yourself that so you can feel superior to me then go ahead. # The instigator (troll or toxic person) is always at fault for the situation. My point is that there are choices that a person can make to deal with this in the meantime until Riot sorts the toxic person out. It's bad for the victim to express frustration in-game because it _does_ make a troll want to troll more. I'm not blaming victims when I say this, it's just a fact of how trolling works. Unless you're willing to stop strawmanning me, this conversation is over.
: No, they protect jerks.
They protect people from being witch hunted. Jerks are just one of the kinds of people who could be revealed on the boards. It is also possible to frame someone for something they did not do, and start a witch hunt against them leading to all sorts of harassment that they would not deserve.
Mc Truck (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-10T16:34:59.325+0000) > > People who soft int are doing it because they want attention. > > Do not give them attention (I.E. criticism or flaming) for their behavior, and they will eventually give up. This is just one reason Riot bans people for chat toxicity, because it feeds the behavior of trolls who are harder to detect. Blaming the victim.
> [{quoted}](name=Mc Truck,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HyTnFEuG,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-09-11T04:47:25.809+0000) > > Blaming the victim. Not at all. It's never the victim's fault that another player decides to troll and act like a piece of shit. I'm talking about the function of the behavior, not about who is at fault or not. It is literally reinforcement for the behavior when attention seeking behavior is rewarded with attention. The victim only has control over their response, and if they are equipped with the knowledge that giving a response can worsen behavior, then it is in their best interest to not give a response.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalcyonDweller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FAbeXK0I,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-10T20:29:48.789+0000) > > Your best bet is to ask once, and if they keep at it then just ignore them. If they&#x27;re trolling you then it&#x27;s only going to get worse if you reward them with attention for it, so try to ask in a way that doesn&#x27;t show annoyance. > > It will happen sometimes, and when that happens, there&#x27;s not much you can do to change it, since you can&#x27;t really control them. Report them after the game and don&#x27;t reward their attempts to frustrate you by showing that it frustrates you. > > As for what you can do in-game, look at it as an opportunity to practice other skills. You won&#x27;t be able to have a normal game, but that doesn&#x27;t mean you can&#x27;t get something of value out of it. Practice skills and techniques that you will benefit from using in future matches. WHY ARE YOU TELLING HIM TO REPORT SOMEONE FOR TAKING CS.
I'm not. I'm telling him to report someone if they troll him. If they do things and say things that give him the sense that they are trolling him, it is his right to report them for it. If Riot reviews the game and feels like nothing was done wrong, the report will be thrown out and nothing will happen. And if Riot reviews the game and finds that something _was_ done wrong, then it will have been a good thing that the player reported the person who tried to troll them.
: UPS is doing fine, the shareholders are just greedy. edit: and that's exactly what the article conveys. UPS's issue is that they refuse to update their warehouse technology to expedite the mass package issue... which is why a lot of packages going to one place is more profitable (because it takes less time to sort and ship packages in bulk)
> [{quoted}](name=MetaCosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rZneUFrI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-11T00:27:21.224+0000) > > UPS is doing fine, the shareholders are just greedy. > > edit: and that&#x27;s exactly what the article conveys. UPS&#x27;s issue is that they refuse to update their warehouse technology to expedite the mass package issue... which is why a lot of packages going to one place is more profitable (because it takes less time to sort and ship packages in bulk) I hadn't thought of it that way. I just know that I prefer to pick my packages up anyways, that way I know nobody can steal them and nobody will mess with them.
Uriel (EUW)
: That only applies if the person had been confirmed to be breaking that rule in the other examples too.
Umm, what? What exactly are you referring to when you say "that" because with the context of the conversation, "that" could be any of several things.
: so you're one of those supports that won't ever just sit back and let your ADC farm?
It's possible to farm and trade at the same time. Chill.
: > [{quoted}](name=Galiö,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=z56mrylK,comment-id=000100010000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-10T16:13:09.317+0000) > > There isnt neutrality here. > > He is against female gamers. > > He wants female gamers to change their behaviour. > > Simple. > > You do not help a minority by silencing them. Febos may actually be wrong here, but you're too busy white knighting, so you cannot make a persuasive argument as to why they are. They most certainly are not against all female gamers, as you seem to imply here. You two are talking about different kinds people here. They are against _people_ who use identity as a means to seek attention or get special treatment. _Some_ female gamers do use identity in that manner. Febos never said that _all_ female gamers do. Nor did they say that female gamers deserve to be harassed. Where Febos is wrong, is that they have - in a way - implied that female gamers who get harassed, must have done something to invite it. That's not the same thing as saying they deserve it, nor is it the same thing as saying that all female gamers are like this. If you're going to stand against people, you need to make sure you understand their argument properly first. Otherwise you wind up escalating to insults or having to backpedal because you've gone too far and there's no saving your argument after that. Take it from someone who's done that a few times.
> [{quoted}](name=MindMinder,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=z56mrylK,comment-id=00010001000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-10T23:34:14.614+0000) > > Quick question : > > So one is only allowed to get positive attention? I am not allowed to criticize someone? That was two questions.
: perma banned
Blizzard is worse than Riot so your first sentence is actually kind of a compliment to league. At least league doesn't force you to delete your characters and make new ones every time they overcorrect while balancing the meta.
: Will I get banned permanently even if i stop being toxic for a long time?
It's never worth it to tell a teammate off for their mistakes. See this thread for some more in-depth advice on how not to get busted again: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help Good luck with your account, I hope that you will be able to improve and avoid a perma.
fire wolf04 (EUNE)
: ao ur saying i can report them for harass?
> [{quoted}](name=fire wolf04,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UA89AZjW,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-09-10T14:11:06.923+0000) > > ao ur saying i can report them for harass? yes, if someone tries to single you out in front of the team and make you feel persecuted for playing poorly, that qualifies as harassment. Don't threaten to report them for it though. Just ignore them and mute them. If you don't do anything wrong then the system won't punish you anyways regardless of how many of them report you.
: > [{quoted}](name=rawiazam1,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gyr6uNUE,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-10T06:37:41.180+0000) > > 1. air doesn&#x27;t have any substance, it is a gas. > someone forgets that Gas still is made up of molecules, that ARE A SUBSTANCE Because GASES HAVE WEIGHT Hot air expands making it lighter that is how a hot air ballon works And the pure mention that wind cannot exist, but air can exist baffles me... wind is LITERALLY moving air, and in the case of the plane, wind is generated when high pressure and low pressure are present, and thus the air moves to the low pressure area, creating a wind current, so by your own definition, the plane creates it's own wind current... I am no science wiz, but you don't need to be an Einstein to see that the periodic table has gasses with weight, thus making them have substance
> [{quoted}](name=Boulderox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gyr6uNUE,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-09-10T21:19:47.197+0000) > > someone forgets that Gas still is made up of molecules, that ARE A SUBSTANCE > Because GASES HAVE WEIGHT > Hot air expands making it lighter > that is how a hot air ballon works > > And the pure mention that wind cannot exist, but air can exist baffles me... wind is LITERALLY moving air, and in the case of the plane, wind is generated when high pressure and low pressure are present, and thus the air moves to the low pressure area, creating a wind current, so by your own definition, the plane creates it&#x27;s own wind current... > > I am no science wiz, but you don&#x27;t need to be an Einstein to see that the periodic table has gasses with weight, thus making them have substance Dude just stop arguing with them. They don't understand what you meant, and they are assuming things about your argument without ever being willing to go back and examine whether their assumptions were wrong.
DikGod (NA)
: You guys see how riot completely fucks around for no reason ?
I get that it's frustrating to miss your opportunity for promos, but nobody is "giving" you shit teammates. Riot's matchmaking system is random. It doesn't try to make you lose and it doesn't try to make you win. Climbing ranks doesn't mean that you're climbing in skill level. Even if you lose matches and then win some again later, it all still adds into your MMR. So if you're skilled enough to belong in Silver or Gold then your MMR will climb to that point. And when your MMR is higher than your rank, you gain more LP from wins and lose less LP from losses. You will climb naturally. Instead of focusing on winning - which is not guaranteed and leads to disappointment when you don't get it - why don't you try focusing on self improvement? You can improve yourself just as much in a winning match as a losing match, so win or lose won't matter, a match will rarely be a waste of time because you can still gain value from it.
: Put the armor reduction on his e {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
And the attack speed on his Q!
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