: I don't think Riot is going for Nazi route, especially since mages can be potential dangerous. Also, it is the best time to be a Demacia fan with the Lux Comic + Demacia Novella which probably will give us some more insight and hopefully some new point of view to work. (Even if I have to admit that I'm pretty done with Lux for the time, I want the other Demacias to shine as well).
It wouldn't bother me except that Anti-magic is focused on so heavily that Demacia's positive side (comraderie, diligence, duty, brotherhood, discipline, reliability) is smothered to an insane degree. Even in the Lux comic, Demacia is treated as Lux's enemy.
J Eevo (EUNE)
: It was Durand's research, but the excerpt was on petricite, not just Galio. We're just gonna glance over the line of "absorbed to be later spent"? it's not talking about the galio effect of powering up in presence of mages, it's about storing magic to be LATER spent.
And you took that to mean that the mages stuck in prison are how Galio moves, becaaaause...?
: In my eyes Qiyana is a character you _should_ love to hate. I find it strange that so many people hate her character but love Draven despite being extremely similar. Also, Qiyana having this super toxic personality makes it all the more satisfying when you kill her (it's like "HA in your face you arrogant bitch!)
The difference is that {{champion:119}} is a showman. He's an arrogant twat, yeah, but his attitude is (in part) for the crowd. His arrogance is so overblown that it's practically a stage persona, which means that he's fun to watch. I LIKE Qiyana but it's not the same thing at all.
: {{champion:119}} is also another example of making arrogant work, Qiyana is just bland as hell.
{{champion:136}} , {{champion:119}} and {{champion:81}} are all examples of good arrogant champions in this game. That doesn't mean Qiyana is bad. Honestly most every champ in this game is at least a LITTLE arrogant.
: Qiyana is a Jerk and I Love Her So Much
"Please Qiyana, step on me~" "... I _would_ have, but suddenly I don't want to."
J Eevo (EUNE)
: Directly from the comic: > Magic is not nullified but absorbed to be later spent by the colossus
Yeah. Magic NEAR the colossus. Because, again, the document was for designs on GALIO.
J Eevo (EUNE)
: >How, exactly, does the fact that petricite stores magic change anything about it? It absorbs magic and then (presumably) slowly leeches it out over time, in a dose small enough that nobody notices or cares. The comic says it's stored for redistribution into the magic colossus - meaning they're literally milking mages for energy to power up galio. That's like using people as batteries for a war mech.
Um... no. The document that Lux found was designs on Galio. That's how GALIO is designed, and we already knew that; Galio gets power from mages that fight around him and he spends that power so he can move and fight. The mages in the mageseeker complex aren't being used to power him, or he'd be up and moving all the time.
SirHydro (NA)
: Wait is this actually for sale? Like you're actually charging people money for this garbage? I'm not sure what's more offensive or shocking? The fact Riot Wants money for this: Or the fact that people are actually paying money for it. Ya'll are a trip.
It's free on Universe, sir. "I want my money back" was a f#@$ing JOKE and at time of writing this comment NOBODY'S EVEN VOTED FOR IT.
Kuzja1 (NA)
: Lux marrying Jarvan? I'm more of a Lux x Ezreal person myself. It feels safer. But I know that's not going to happen due to the majority demanding a different ship.
*shrug* I'm a fan of Jarvan x Shyvana, personally. And Lux x Ezreal seems like it'll happen. Or at least that Riot wants to leave that open for later.
: [Spoilers] Lux: Issue Nr. 2 - Feedback, Discussion and Questions
I will note that, while it is IMPLIED that Jarvan accepted marrying Lux, we never actually see him accept. As such we don't really know about what else Garen might have said, or he might have simply said no and Garen is trying to push them together. (I don't think Garen is the type to trick/force Jarvan into a marriage and even if he was he probably doesn't have the power to do so, but it IS possible.) I am genuinely curious where they're going to take this element. We already know Sylas will escape and cause devastation across Demacia, but we don't know how Lux, Garen and Jarvans' relations are going to end up. And if it comes out Lux helped Sylas escape (even inadverdently), well... then Jarvan and Lux _definitely_ aren't getting married. And the Jarvana ship lives on, yey~!
: >And it's not like Lux is being married off to some old rapist who'll see her as a piece of meat Unlike a certain redhead who got renamed to "Bitch". XD But as for your "Demacia has some good in it", the comic has not done anything to show that side.
I know and it's so FRUSTRATING Demacia is my favorite faction in this game, please rito _stop making them the Nazis_!!
: History and current cultures have shown how we treat sick people. It’s not all that great. By living free, you mean kept far away from the kingdom. I don’t think we’ve seen how those people live either.
"kept far away from the kingdom" Um No The specific example he was referring to was living in the village with his family.
: These comics are designed to make us hate Demacian politics, right?
-We learn in other Demacia stories that this isn't the case. Mages get their power checked, and if they're low-threat they're allowed to live their lives. We know this because when Sylas escapes and starts his mage rebellion, this policy is *reversed* and mages are all locked up as potential threats (we see this in one of the short stories). And they ARE potential threats when you've still got Sylas running around. (We also see that the anti-magic angle is not as extreme in every corner of this society) -I'm pretty sure that's meant to indicate that Garen knows/suspects that Lux has magical power. It's not solely that she has compassion for the mages. -How, exactly, does the fact that petricite stores magic change anything about it? It absorbs magic and then (presumably) slowly leeches it out over time, in a dose small enough that nobody notices or cares. Moreover, he was only able to do so right after touching Lux. It's exactly what Demacia claims it is: an anti-magic material. Sylas is one of the only people who realizes what it can do, and since he apparently needs to SEE the magic is probably the only one who CAN utilize it like this. -Like it or hate it this is a very common thing in medieval politics. And it's not like Lux is being married off to some old rapist who'll see her as a piece of meat; she's getting married off to someone who she's known since childhood. It's bad, but it's not the worst thing that could be happening to her and given that Garen is looking to SAVE HER LIFE I'd say it's understandable. Lux defends the way of life she lives in because she sees the good it does as more valuable than the harm it brings, same as anyone. She's very much an optimist and that may get in the way of her clear thinking, sure, but to decry the entirety of Demacian life as this disgusting thing is, frankly, inaccurate. We're seeing Demacia in a very negative light right now, yes. But keep in mind that Poppy's adventure to find the Hero, Galio's quest to beat up everything bad, Shyvana's honor and comraderie with Demacians, Jarvan's sense of duty, Garen's zeal to protect the innocent... these things all exist in Demacia as well. You can't just ignore all of that and proclaim that it'd be better if Noxus wiped it off the map.
: To be honest, if I were Mordekaiser, I'd be pretty upset too
The impression I got was that he felt entitled to that final rest, that because he'd slaughtered and maimed his way through hundreds (thousands?) that meant he was worthy of paradise. And when he didn't get that paradise, rather than find fault in himself, he found fault in the religion. Maybe it's just the way his thoughts are phrased, but I get the impression he was a sick bastard in life and continues to be one in death. He was no hero, but he expected a hero's welcome.
: > it's an idiot and his followers making everyone elses lives more misserable God forbid a man nearly executed has a grudge, along with an oppressed people.
He committed multiple counts of murder and resisted arrest.
GenoXx (NA)
: Do roads exist in Zaun at all?
Ekko's got a comic that has streets and walkways. And so does Mundo's bio/color story iirc
: @RiotDevs about Kindred's VO
Would also be interested in hearing stuff about Kindred's voice work. They're a very unique champion in the game.
: New stories and bios - Yuumi, yordles, and Draven!
YORDLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLES!!! YES oh i have NEEDED this
Xano501 (NA)
: Peoples who hate Wukong x Ahri are evil.
: Pff. Falrein. Trying to imply that you've only _just_ noticed the lack of the floating fortress. I'm pretty sure the second the map went live you went looking for it. I know you! {{sticker:sg-syndra}} (Cats5Ever)
I don't think that story came out till AFTER the map, tho?
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=2LFFn9At,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-10T17:34:24.605+0000) > If they can make a mistake *this* extreme and just *ignore it*, I see no reason to. This is a level of incompetence that initially made me laugh like a maniac, until I realized: if this could happen to Shyvana, why couldn't it happen to any other character on the roster? How am I supposed to trust that any character's bio is the way it's supposed to be if Shyvana's bio could be so different from what Riot's working with for literal YEARS? > Shyvana wasn't the first to get shit on. {{champion:43}} 's relaunch was the beginning of the end. However, the players back then were too stupid to realize it because she was pretty non-existent and they didn't dream of **their** champions getting pwned as well. The only people vocal were Karma players and the playerbase was way too small for them to influence Riot's change. It's bittersweet. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
It's not the same thing. The problem with Karma was poor direction. The problem with Shyvana was that they've been using A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VERSION OF HER LORE FOR OVER 2 YEARS.
: Final statement on Shyvana's bio (Still no response by Riot)
"I'd rather just push through it and see what exactly Riot's narrative team has in store. " I wouldn't. I absolutely refuse to give even a single solitary flying fuck about what they do with anyone's lore from here on out, especially Shyvana's. "Woops, we were working with a different lore state than the one the players had for years!" If they can make a mistake *this* extreme and just *ignore it*, I see no reason to. This is a level of incompetence that initially made me laugh like a maniac, until I realized: if this could happen to Shyvana, why couldn't it happen to any other character on the roster? How am I supposed to trust that any character's bio is the way it's supposed to be if Shyvana's bio could be so different from what Riot's working with for literal YEARS? How am I supposed to care about a character's lore if it's just going to change to such an extreme and delete entire characters on a whim? At least with Varus you could argue that his family only existed to die in the first place and Varus pre-ascension COULD still have his old backstory. But the "new" bio and the previous are impossible to reconcile.
Gixia (NA)
: Guys, don't feed the troll, just downvote and move on.
: I don't disagree necessarily, but I think there were definitely things that worth retconning. Again, can't make such blanket statements like that nothing should be changed. They're human at Riot, they're bound to make mistakes. And you're stepping up and making sure your voice is heard which is good but, I don't think the majority is as inconsistent as this Shyvana story might be. (By the way, I do agree with your original post 100%.)
"can't make such blanket statements like that nothing should be changed" Where did I say that? Point at it. You can't put words in my mouth and then criticize those words as ridiculous. That's a strawman.
: Got news for you, everytime someone says something that doesn't fit your narritive and you tremble at their word doesn't make them just trolling. The retcon was an improvement and the writers work hard on all of our champions so u need to EMBRAECE it
And I have news for you, "Brony" "Gaymer" When you claim a bio that has no bestiality in it encourages bestiality, lack basic grammar skills, state your opinions as incontrovertible fact, and spend every post you make being insulting and belligerent to everyone who contradicts you (often without actual rebuttal), you're a troll.
: It’s more feasible, since she didn’t get an animated music video and comic to go with her lore change (forgive me if I haven’t read it, just going by what I’ve seen here). However, it’s likely Riot has something up their sleeve and so they won’t change it. My condolences.
What bugs me about it is that they announced this as a "minor" edit.
: No, it's a genuine improvement.
A story that has less to it and makes less sense is better? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Quepha (NA)
: Because Riot doesn't care about their fans. This isn't the first time they've done this, it won't be the last. They might apologize and say they'll do better, and they might even do better... for a while. Then they'll forget. Then they'll destroy something else. Then we get to do this all again.
Nope! They just f#@$ed up when Galio was released. It is actually hilarious. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/NN16QyIy-shyvanas-new-bio-is-not-only-a-downgrade-of-a-decent-piece-of-lore-but-its-literally-a-mistake
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/NN16QyIy-shyvanas-new-bio-is-not-only-a-downgrade-of-a-decent-piece-of-lore-but-its-literally-a-mistake
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: Shyvana's new Bio is not only a downgrade of a decent piece of lore, but it's LITERALLY a mistake...
..... This is actually hilarious. I don't wanna call this "incompetence", but... I mean... What else am I supposed to call it?! Riot changed Shyvana's lore to the wrong version BY ACCIDENT and just DID NOT NOTICE for, what, over a year now?! This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I was legit angry AF about this about an hour ago. Now? I'm *laughing.*
Alzon (NA)
: Tbh I didn’t like Shyvana’s previous retcon either. I was somewhat disturbed when she went from an avenger to a refugee. The Half-Dragon’s existence should NOT revolve around her running in fear.
It's not, though. Her story ended with her turning and facing her mother, and overcoming her.
: you guys are crying about her lore when the game is a steaming pile of unbalanced shit? LOL
Check what board this was posted under.
: Come on. This is such a stupid blanket statement, they have their fuckups here and there, such as Nautilus, but generally they have a pretty good success rate lately.
If they're willing to change things so drastically for NO CLEAR REASON, who cares if what they make is good? Sooner or later it's just gonna be thrown out. The lore currently has the consistency of a wet oil painting being pissed on. If everything's changing, if nothing is fixed, then it doesn't matter how good their lore is. Because tomorrow it'll be something different.
: This change to Shyvana's lore is a complete and utter disappointment, and here's why...
Shyvana is one of my favorite champions and they did her so wrong here. This change was entirely pointless and utterly ruins the character. I have lost all faith in the lore team with this s#@$. "But the lore team usually does good w-" WHO CARES IF NOTHING THEY WRITE IS GOING TO STAY AS IT IS?! No, really. Why should I care that the recent Freljord updates are good if Riot is so willing to just *throw out* the baby but keep the bathwater?! If nothing is going to stay, why should I care about what's there?!
: Do not get connected to skins or lore as all will change
I find skin lore better than the main universe lore, because at least that stuff generally stays consistent, once established. *points to Star Guardian skin line* THAT IS KIND OF A PROBLEM!!
: I don't think adding nuance is unwelcome for any character, but I get what you are saying; you want her to be a more earnest, good character, that would never do wrong if she could help it. Someone you could pretty much consider a "good guy". The thing is, for every Varus, Shyvana or Karma fuck up, they usually have like 4 or 5 bio updates in between that are fine or even great. Lux and Ezreal both got great treatments I think, neither of them I would really consider morally ambiguous. They were updated to fit with the world, plenty of depth was added to their character/conflict, but fundamentally they are the same characters. Hopefully Sona gets a similar treatment.
And then when Sylas came out Lux got her lore reworked again to put her at an earlier point in her timeline and include him. Because Riot apparently has no idea how to advance the lore a step forward without taking two steps back.
: > [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZyiA08E,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-06T04:01:46.342+0000) > > I mean the lore isn't REALLY that different..before Yyva hunted Shyv down because she was stolen, same now. Before she was stolen by her father after hatching because she was messed with by a mage, which now instead of being taken by her father after hatching she was taken by a mage before hatching. I mean it's really not that big of a change. You quoted "We don't like change for the sake of change", correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you like complaining for the sake of complaining. It's not really. Shyvana is an outcast, her mother hates her deformity, and she finds solace in Jarvan. My problem is that this new bio feels hollow. Devoid of emotional resonance. Why did the egg get stolen,.moneys. Why is shyvana deformed, just because. Why does the mage keep her, because reason unstated
The mage keeping her, I don't really have much of a problem with; just because he's a thief doesn't mean he's going to murder a newborn infant. But yeah; the big problem here is that it feels empty.
: "Because she's a halfbreed reeeeeee" but yea kinda eh
No, it doesn't even mention her halfbreed status anymore. Yvva hunts her down to kill her just because.
: ***
*shrug* Oh they're leftist AF, but Morgana and Kayle just got reworked and have a good father figure. OTOH this does make Yvva less of an evil c$#@ so that might've been what they were going for.
: Twitch is just a territorial mutant rat. Interesting concept, but not much room for development
His current lore is nothing. You could delete him from the universe and nothing would change.
: A member of the Church of the Latter Day Stanks?
Okay I laughed. Also wondered if Evelynn is part of the church of the latter day ska- GNIGHT EVERYBODY
: I mean the lore isn't REALLY that different..before Yyva hunted Shyv down because she was stolen, same now. Before she was stolen by her father after hatching because she was messed with by a mage, which now instead of being taken by her father after hatching she was taken by a mage before hatching. I mean it's really not that big of a change. You quoted "We don't like change for the sake of change", correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you like complaining for the sake of complaining.
Yvva previously hunted Shyvana down to kill her and purge her from her bloodline. Now she hunts down Shyvana and tries to kill her... just because.
: But now some fundamental questions like, "How did Shyvana learn the human language?" have been answered. Additionally, I don't think you can just learn how to live in a completely foreign society in such a relatively short amount of time. Don't get me wrong, I also prefer her previous lore. Who doesn't love a good dragon father? But I can understand why Riot made the changes, although I don't think changes of such scale were necessary.
That is a tiny question, a barely significant one. They spent YEARS running from the dragon, and Shyvana was half-human that entire time, she could have (for example) had her father teach her what he knew of humans and learned some herself separately. Moreover, the fact that she didn't fit into human society was part of the point of the character. Some things get handwaved in stories like this, like why the entire world speaks a common language (English/Common/Whatever-you-wanna-call-it). What gets me about this is you presented it like the human dad was a lateral move when, frankly, he's a downgrade. You can't honestly tell me that the best way to handle this was ANOTHER retcon that makes her a worse character overall.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=esclNxZg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-05T21:33:58.359+0000) > > The difference is that Kayle and Morgana are not Aspects; they are children born of an aspect. > > Kayle might have become the Aspect of Justice after her mother died, but that would be speculation. Im pretty sure both Kayle and Morgana are Aspects now that their mother died. With Kayle being the emotionless sword that stikes down those that break the law and Morgana the compassionate hand that helps those in need.
Aspects are, as far as we can tell, singular beings. They can't both be the Aspect of Justice.
: > That would be an explanation, but it's not a satisfactory one. You should get used to that around here.
I am, that doesn't mean I'm happy about it.
: It now makes sense for Shyvana to be able to integrate into a human society.
I thought that was explained well enough. She saved the Prince of the kingdom and acted as a hunter for them, for a time. And a big part of her lore at that point WAS the struggle between her dragon half and her human half.
: @Riot: Kayle, Morgana and the "Aspect Influence"
The difference is that Kayle and Morgana are not Aspects; they are children born of an aspect. Kayle might have become the Aspect of Justice after her mother died, but that would be speculation.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Riot mentioned having a non-humanoid champion in production and this new version of Shyvanas lore mentions that she actually has a sibling(as it said that Yvva waited for her other offspring to leave the nest until she began hunting Shyvana). Coincidence?I think not! Granted this does not justify the removal of dragon dad.
That would be an explanation, but it's not a satisfactory one. They could have easily changed Shyvana's lore so that she was part of a clutch of eggs, and Yvva didn't start hunting until the rest had hatched. As it was, she was basically absent from Shyvana's life until she attacked her and her father when she was young.
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