ZaFishbone (EUNE)
: You ppl should realize already that the boards are a minority and that Riot knows their consumer base better that you do.
Karfuss (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AL64Xwaw,comment-id=000d0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T20:54:20.601+0000) > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} > > You expect me to dig back through years worth of the board to find posts dumping on Evelynn When you make bold and outlandish claims, by all means. Back them up. >but are perfectly willing to just "decide" what I said I meant is different from what I say I meant? > > I got about HalfWay through a respond to the rest of this, but... no. You're not worth chatting with. Good bye. When you accuse the boards, as a community, of parroting nothing but "but uh sexy bad" using your misconstrued memory of past topics (which you seem hesitant to prove even your own argument)… That is exactly what you are doing. Calling the boards "idiotic" (quote) and misrepresenting it. Likewise.
> [{quoted}](name=Karfuss,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AL64Xwaw,comment-id=000d00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T21:45:22.662+0000) > > When you make bold and outlandish claims, by all means. Back them up. "Katarina is secretly a yordle" is bold and outlandish. "Taliyah is Sejuani's daughter from the future" is bold and outlandish. "Sylas' magic comes from sexual arousal" is bold and outlandish. "Mordekaiser loves country music more than heavy metal" is bold and outlandish. "People complained about Evelynn's old design" is neither a bold nor outlandish claim. > When you accuse the boards, as a community, of parroting nothing but "but uh sexy bad" using your misconstrued memory of past topics (which you seem hesitant to prove even your own argument)… That is exactly what you are doing. Calling the boards "idiotic" (quote) and misrepresenting it. > > Likewise. To clarify, I was referring to the OP's stance on the boards' culture, not the boards themselves, but by all means continue to misconstrue and lie about me while sneering that I misconstrue and lie.
Karfuss (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AL64Xwaw,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T18:30:38.736+0000) > > One, People complained about Evelynn's original design constantly For example? >until she was changed into a succubus. And people complained about THAT when she first released, as well. And you don't think that might have been because her being more demonic, was a shift in direction from her original design and identity? Swain suffers from this too. I might not agree with that opinion, but I can see why others might hold them. I'm also not in the habit of misconstruing what was said during those times. Nothing to do with being "sexy." > Two, you assume Riot cares more about what the board thinks than what sells, and Evelynn sells. Then Riot, should go make some more sexy champions that make sense (i.e. Not Sylas) instead of imposing on established character identities. > Three, "daily threads" don't mean much when the news broke a day ago, tops. That wasn't the point. If "sexy" characters were an issue, they would continue to be. Kayle completely aside. > My point is that "even the boards think it's too sexy" is idiotic. No, your point is vilifying the boards and accusing it of 'but uh sexy bad' when nothing could be further from the truth. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
> [{quoted}](name=Karfuss,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AL64Xwaw,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T18:44:32.189+0000) > > For example? > No, your point is vilifying the boards and accusing it of 'but uh sexy bad' when nothing could be further from the truth. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} You expect me to dig back through years worth of the board to find posts dumping on Evelynn but are perfectly willing to just "decide" what I said I meant is different from what I say I meant? I got about HalfWay through a respond to the rest of this, but... no. You're not worth chatting with. Good bye.
Karfuss (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AL64Xwaw,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-02-19T18:04:32.456+0000) > > Are you kidding? > > I've never seen the boards be happy with a sexy character. Not once! Oh please. If everyone was unhappy with sexy characters, Evelynn wouldn't have existed for almost 10 years. I'm not seeing daily threads about that.
> If everyone was unhappy with sexy characters, Evelynn wouldn't have existed for almost 10 years. One, People complained about Evelynn's original design constantly until she was changed into a succubus. And people complained about THAT when she first released, as well. Two, you assume Riot cares more about what the board thinks than what sells, and Evelynn sells. Three, "daily threads" don't mean much when the news broke a day ago, tops. You're only seeing such an intense reaction to Kayle because her design was just recently revealed. Give it a month or two and nobody will be making threads about Kayle's power ranger armor, just like nobody makes threads about Poppy or Galio's designs anymore. My point is that "even the boards think it's too sexy" is idiotic. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Ifneth (NA)
: You Know You Done Goofed When...
Are you kidding? I've never seen the boards be happy with a sexy character. Not once! The only reason people aren't complaining that Morgana isn't more covered up is because she was released alongside Kayle.
Zapzya (OCE)
: Kayle’s colour palate: What happened to the fire?
They want to connect her more to Demacia (which means more white, with gold accents) and the purple is meant to mirror Morgana (look where on both of their models the purple is, you'll see what I mean.)
: I like the new Kayle design, but that doesn't mean it fits her character. I could see this being a skin (Ascended Kayle) but she should always be a champion that new players confuse for a man
... she had boob plate even in League's very first cinematic
Thilmer (EUW)
: A champion that is sexy for lore reasons is fine. A champion that is sexy for no reason in particular is fine. But picking a champion that is not sexy at all and making she (or he) sexy during a rework is a mistake. Some people out there have been playing Kayle for years, and they obviously didn't choose her because of her revealing outfit and wide hips. This is a bad rework.
... You... You do know Kayle's original design had boob plate, right?
fire263 (NA)
: Have to completely agree here, I also don't like how Kayle takes off more armor/clothing the further into the game she goes. I was already pretty shocked by her first form, but later in the teaser, I did not think this was Kayle at all. I can see the first design, I guess it looks somewhat realistic, but I really hope they remove the later forms where she takes off her helmet, as that is not the Kayle that anyone really knew (feel bad for people who spent money on unmasked kayle, now going to be essentially pointless skin). Imagine if they took Mordekeiser, took off his helmet, and made his suit some skintight material for his rework because that's essentially what happened to Kayle. I hope they at least change some of the visuals for the later forms, and would like a little less of a Kaisa skintight suit vibe for her armor.
I must disagree. Kayle's form grows more glorious and golden as the game progresses. She gets more wings and they become larger. She loses the helmet, but given that people didn't seem to like the helmet anyway (since everyone and their mother would play her on any skin she took her helmet off in... when they played her at all) I don't really care. Kayle was one of the first champs I ever got on an account (a friend got me 3 random skins that were all for Kayle by sheer coincidence). This still looks like Kayle to me. The only question now is how she plays.
: "Sex sells" is legitimate as long as it does not hinder character identity/theme/coherence
Kayle, androgynous? Buddy, she had boob plate. I'll admit, when I first saw Kayle's rework art, this was about my reaction: "good lord this design is hideous". But once I saw the video I felt that, in-game, she looks plenty fine as a character. It seems like she changes over time, gaining more wings and more golden, glorious armor reminescent of her original armor. What I find interesting about Kayle's base design is actually something I missed initially: compare the purples and white in her outfit to the purples and flesh in Morgana's, and you notice the two mirror each other. Judging from the wing vs feet quote at the end of the video, they're going for a mirror between the two in the same way that Rakan and Xayah are league's power couple. I like it and I wish more characters did this. Also I'm rather partial to boob plate myself as an aesthetic.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BZtua9rQ,comment-id=000c000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T16:44:46.524+0000) > > Forgot about that. The line may not end with her, no, but she's the head of the house; perhaps she feels it's supposed to continue with her. Or her brothers are dishonorable layabouts. No, her brothers are part of the House and very close to her even though she gained leadership ahead of them. They work as hard for the family as she is. So nothing is really stopping them from continuing the family line. > And I don't see why you'd say that it would be "typical" for the non-traditional Fiora to adopt a child. If there is a tradition or an unspoken rule that only a blood heir of the family (a child sired by the Head of the House no less) can be made the next House leader, Fiora will break this rule by adopting a child and proclaiming that child as her heir. I can see her doing that because she won't let anything control her fate and choices, so when given an ultimatum, she would go and twist it in the way she prefers. And as she realized, the best defense is offense. So the moment anyone tries to say a word about her decision and her chosen heir, they will be challenged to a duel and a) murdered b) marked by Fiora (having their ears or fingers cut off) as a sign of her victory and their defeat.
The last time she tried to break with tradition *that* hard she had to duel her father.
: Two characters standing approximately 4 feet away from each other with no context. One of them breathes. #SHIP It worked in BNHA
The only ship confirmed so far in BNHA is Uraraka x Deku, and that was a fair bit more than just the two of them breathing.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BZtua9rQ,comment-id=000c0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T01:17:04.239+0000) > > It's possible that Fiora feels shame towards her sexuality (or lack thereof) because it means that her family line will end with her. But at the same time she can't bring herself to just find a guy to knock her up because everyone equal to her in station is a typical empty-headed noble with the drive of a broken unicycle and thus disgusts her. She has older brothers who can continue the family line, so I don't think that's an issue. And even if she was an only child, it would be typical for Fiora just to adopt a kid and bring them up as her heir while dueling the shit out of anyone who has anything bad to say about her child and her decision. She is described as not doing things traditionally after all.
Forgot about that. The line may not end with her, no, but she's the head of the house; perhaps she feels it's supposed to continue with her. Or her brothers are dishonorable layabouts. And I don't see why you'd say that it would be "typical" for the non-traditional Fiora to adopt a child.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BZtua9rQ,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2019-02-10T18:54:46.329+0000) > > *shrug* > So did I. The idea that it might be saying she's a lesbian didn't even occur to me until someone on the boards brought it up. Given that Swain learns and reveals the most painful secrets, I thought that being afraid to lose her power over the House > being a lesbian. After all, folk on Runeterra seems to be rather chill about gay people, and I don't think that Riot will have the guts to add any complexity to that (like Ionia is very accepting, while Demacia condemns gay relationships as they're not the part of "perfect citizen" idea). After all, many aristocrats managed to have same-sex affairs while being in an official marriage and even siring offsprings to maintain their status and gain power. Getting a spouse for a practical purpose and not emotional was a common thing for nobility and they adjusted to it in their own way.
It's possible that Fiora feels shame towards her sexuality (or lack thereof) because it means that her family line will end with her. But at the same time she can't bring herself to just find a guy to knock her up because everyone equal to her in station is a typical empty-headed noble with the drive of a broken unicycle and thus disgusts her.
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BZtua9rQ,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-02-08T22:41:23.490+0000) > > Fiora has a line with Swain that "She spurned so many suitors, amazing they never grasped why" (or something to that effect). That implies that she sees every potential suitor in Demacia as beneath her. Some have taken this to mean that she's gay and while I COULD see it from the line... eh, imo it doesn't fit her as well as asexuality. I think it's more likely she's just not interested in sex or love. If she ever did accept anyone into her bed it would be solely for childbirth to keep her line going. I thought it was pretty obvious that her refusal to marry was political and upholding her House is the only thing Fiora cares about. It's quite possible she has a strong aversion to relationships in general due to her parents trying to marry her off and her potential groom starting all that shit with the duel which led to her killing her own father. Who would want to have a family, knowing that House laws and rules will decide the fate of their spouses and children?
*shrug* So did I. The idea that it might be saying she's a lesbian didn't even occur to me until someone on the boards brought it up.
Cetri (NA)
: ...Yeah? What's your point?
Either the lore is part of the game or it isn't.
Cetri (NA)
: Skin universes have their own canon.
That is not what this person is referring to. They are referring to the canon League universe.
Cetri (NA)
: ...Because LoL isn't _just_ a game? For a lot of people, including myself, the lore is just as much if not more of a draw than the game.
You, in another convo in this same discussion: "Not to mention, the lore is mostly divorced from the gameplay, sooooo..."
: Asexual. They doesn't feel sexual/romantic attraction towards anyone, I believe.
Eh, we *can* enjoy sex and feel romantic love, but it's not as much of a craving as it is for others.
: Can we not down vote this for no reason, its a legit question considering the skin bio is obviously hinting at them being lovers. Personally I'd be happy with Vi and Fio being canon, but I doubt they would ever have a chance to meet so it doesn't matter.
How can something be canon if it never happens in canon? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Cetri (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kingDeDeDarius,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BZtua9rQ,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-02-08T18:44:48.611+0000) > > Lol not everything can be justified in the name of "creativity". But this can. >And yes it is being crammed. League is a relatively unique game, so I can't merely go somewhere else to get this game experience. Never played it myself, but I understand DOTA is very similar. >And that being said, it's a game, they shouldn't be forcing controversial content on anybody who wants to play. And what makes LGBT people any more controversial than violent anarchists and demons? Not to mention, the lore is mostly divorced from the gameplay, sooooo... >People who want that can find it in many other spheres in life, but it doesn't need to exist in a video game that is otherwise enjoyed by people of many different beliefs. It doesn't need to _not_ exist either. I'm assuming "different beliefs" here is used as a code for "gays are icky." Personally, I don't believe that's a belief that should be respected in today's society. If we're going to talk about what people of different beliefs enjoy, well, I enjoy content featuring LGBT characters, so I suppose we're at an impasse. >Leftists shouldn't have the sheer Monopoly on free speech in order to force every one else to endure there ideologies in all sppheres, meanwhile hypocritically stuffing opposing viewpoints. You're free to create your own content if you don't like what Riot is producing. There's no monopoly going on. Also, gotta love the "not tolerating intolerance makes you a hypocrite!" argument. Always a classic.
I don't actually mind the OP's question, but... > Also, gotta love the "not tolerating intolerance makes you a hypocrite!" argument. Always a classic. This is a stupid retort. You tolerate an idea until the point where it becomes intolerant; and by that I don't mean "this is not acceptable", I mean actual stifling of free speech. Calling for people to be arrested or deplatformed for expressing their views, for example.
: So are Vi and Fiora gay?
It's unclear in both cases. Fiora has a line with Swain that "She spurned so many suitors, amazing they never grasped why" (or something to that effect). That implies that she sees every potential suitor in Demacia as beneath her. Some have taken this to mean that she's gay and while I COULD see it from the line... eh, imo it doesn't fit her as well as asexuality. I think it's more likely she's just not interested in sex or love. If she ever did accept anyone into her bed it would be solely for childbirth to keep her line going. From her color story we know Vi apparently has erotic dreams with plot, and her willingness to bring it up with her coworkers despite their unease (and how inappropriate the situation was) suggests either that she likes to make people uncomfortable or that she's very comfortable with her sexuality (or both). We never found out what was so erotic about said dream, so her sexuality is a complete coin toss.
: Or better, put these stories and bios under the _*~~Latest~~*_ tab as well. You're not looking for changed lore, you are actually looking for new lore, which may be updated or new stories.
There's not much room under the Latest tab, is the thing. Also the "latest" tab often just links to a character rather than the story involved. Most new content is just added to the rolling thing above the latest tab where you can see 3 at a time, tops, even if there's a massive lore dump, and the Latest tab stays the same.
Rioter Comments
: If your champions lore were to end permanently...
The {{champion:203}} are alone. The hunts are all over. Everything that ever was or ever could be is dead and alone, except for them. There's only one thing left to do. The two eternal companions face each other. Lamb aims her final arrow. Wolf readies to charge. "I love you." Wolf whispers. "I know." Lamb replies. He charges, she shoots. And we cut to black.
: For {{champion:103}} I'd like for her to finally fall in love and maybe someone like Evelynn to could rip it away from her leading her to loneliness forever as a reminder of what's she's done to other people's families
She did that, actually. There's a story where she goes to a garden of memory-eating flowers to try and forget it.
Caithresh (EUW)
: I... Don't like this idea at all, but that's more of a personal thing. Syndra's incredible powers are one of her core themes. She's not only defined by that, but it is an important part of her. I would hate it if they were to take away what makes her... Well, her. I simply don't like it when a character loses their powers anyway. I can see why you want that, but my personal opinion thinks it's a terrible idea... I like that her power is instinctive, linked to her emotions, and that she doesn't have to "think and plan". Of course it would allow her to use these powers more carefully, but I think that the only way for her to reach the peak of her powers is through anger.
*shrug* I don't like it either but it's an idea, and it would let Syndra continue past the same fight you gave her, and potentially grow as a character. Syndra's too powerful for anything short of Aurelion Sol to be a valid threat to her life, so what I hope they do is give her a reason to care about anyone or any*thing* other than herself. She needs something to bounce her personality off of, something to be contrasted against. Sure, there's always assassins, but they're never going to succeed at killing her and we know it.
: It doesn't hurt for them to try though? Kassadin did all those things to find her. He isn't just gonna leave her be again after the Void has been dealt with. He may not know how to be a father but it doesn't hurt to try. If he does try then that's what I call a character developing. Kai'sa is incapable of feeling emotion but she isn't dumb enough to not understand what people try to say to her. They don't have to be a normal family but they can still be a family regardless. Nami is fascinated by the world above her but that doesn't mean she will help them. Her duty lies beside her own tribe and she prioritizes her people's lives more than the surface world. Sure, the Void is everywhere but that doesn't she has to go everywhere to fight it. The Marai tribe are dealing with their own void problem and like I said, she cares more about her people than the surface. Let's say that she wants to explore. That's it. Her story permanently ends with her exploring the world and eventually returning home to bring gifts to her people. Irelia is a bad example I admit but I have plenty other examples. Like in my post, Darius would probably settle down when he gets too old (evidence of this is through Tahm Kench) or die in battle to Garen. Draven can't shine forever in the spotlights so he either dies in his last glorious battle or retire and settle down, becoming a retired star like irl, gloating or what his prime was like. Aatrox permanent end would be him becoming too powerful and the Aspect finishes the job for good this time with the moon ritual and then they fight long-lasting brutal fight with Aatrox happily and finally dying in the end. Aurelion Sol has finally broken free from Targon's grasp and obliterates Mount Targon to ashes. He now then continue what loves and does best; creating stars and watching them grow, he would occasionally close a void rift now and then but would still continue doing what he loves to do. Maokai would restore the Shadow Isles back to what it once was and he return to being a normal tree once again, just like what he wanted to be again. Kled does what he does best, defending and galloping about his territory. Master Yi has taught all of what he knows about Wuju to Wukong and spends the rest of his days meditating and die of old age while Wukong would continue the art of Wuju and teach it to others eventually reviving the Wuju style. Riven's story has already ended. She has reconciled and now lives her days spending time with her new family and helping others. Edit: I could go on but there are so many of them.
Perhaps you misunderstand me: My point is that their stories don't have to end just because their current arc has come to a conclusion. We could look into how Kass and Kai'sa's dynamic works, or Kassadin's tampering with the Void might start to catch up to him, for example. Nami may prioritize her own people but with them safe and her knowledge of the surface could she really just stay and settle down? Riven may be done with Noxus, but Noxus may not be done with her. etc etc. The end of one tale is the beginning of another.
Zyranium (EUW)
: We might get a support enchanter cat girl soon I'd say yes to a bunny champion ! We already have some much animal themed champions : Fox {{champion:103}} Lion {{champion:107}} Fish {{champion:267}} Peacock {{champion:497}} Raven {{champion:498}} Chameleon {{champion:518}} Monkey {{champion:62}} Scorpion{{champion:72}} Spider {{champion:60}} Mantis {{champion:121}} Falcon {{champion:268}} Phoenix {{champion:34}} Bull {{champion:12}} Rat {{champion:29}} Snake {{champion:69}} Crocodile {{champion:58}} Jackal {{champion:75}} Wolf {{champion:19}} Cougar {{champion:76}} Polar Bear {{champion:106}} Squid {{champion:161}} Eagle {{champion:133}} Bear {{champion:1}} Octopus {{champion:420}} Horse {{champion:120}} Cat-Fish {{champion:223}} Boar {{champion:113}} Ram {{champion:516}} Crow {{champion:50}} Whatever {{champion:77}} Can't wait for a bat-like creature, or maybe a shark, a flamingo or a rhino, a true butterfly champ could also be cool, and what about a seal champion ?? Make it happen Riot ! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
>Swain >Crow Really, man? :P He's definitely raven.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UWiM1uwO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-03T13:22:54.760+0000) > > To have a good story and development before they are finished from being in the spotlight. And I would very much like if some characters die. Let's have Urgot eat Camille with his R then!
: Ahri finds someone who makes helps her forgive herself for her past actions and settles down.
And then kills him. What Ahri really needs is to learn how to manage her hunger. Probably with the rest of the vastayan tribe she hails from.
Caithresh (EUW)
: I honestly don't know. It's kind of hard to imagine this kind of stuff when you don't know every information about a champion... As a Syndra main, I honestly couldn't tell you because I lack knowledge about her powers and what they can do exactly (we know what she can do when she's angry and bitter, but we don't know if things would be different if she were in a different state a mind), and depending on the nature of her powers I could imagine different ends to her story. Now, in the current state of things... I may have an idea? Not sure I would like it, but still. I can picture her going against a very, very powerful enemy (like, real threat you know, not just a powerful human), and in order to defeat said-enemy, she'd have to use all her powers, and more. She'd have to unleash all her destructive potential, and go beyond what she has, but it would ultimately be too much for her body to handle, and she would die. Yeah, I'm not crazy about that idea but it would be cool. I just want to see Syndra unlocking her full potential at some point. :')
She could also unleash so much energy that she cripples her own magical ability, a la Magneto at the end of X3. Give her a chance to be mortal, and to have people that *don't* treat her like complete shit. And then over time she could regain some of her power, and have it slowly build once again. But this time, she'd have to think and plan; and to truly become a dark queen rather than a glass cannon.
: Aatrox succeeds at his goal, thus ending all champion lores permanently. Saves the effort of writing 150+ pieces.
I don't think he'd like that. {{champion:266}} : You don't know me very well, do you? How could everyone on Runeterra being dead be *anything* but my idea of bliss? That's just it. There's no one left to kill. {{champion:266}} : O_O {{champion:266}} : NOoooooooooooooooooo OH NO OH NO OH NO OH HELL TO THE FUCK NO!!!! {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Ifneth (NA)
: {{champion:163}} finds her tribe again, leads the people of Shurima to democracy, helps defeat Xerath, and spends her days stoneweaving and adventuring.
{{champion:268}}: Democracy is mob rule and the mob is stupid. GLORY TO THE EMPIRE!!
: Most champions can have a permanent ending. Perhaps only Nation leaders such as Swain, Ashe, and Jarvan will never have an end. But other champs can and they don't have to die to do so. Kassadin and Kaisa finally accomplishes their goal of banishing/destroying the void and Kass has found his daughter. They now live the rest of their days living like normal family. Nami's tribe way of dealing with the Void is through the moonstone. That's why they sent her out in the first place. She would bitterly leave the surface world for her people and protect them using the moonstone. Noxus finally leaves Ionia alone for good, what will Irelia finally do now? She's not a political/spiritual leader like Karma. She's more of a general really and generals are only necessary in war. I like to think Irelia's story to end and spends the rest of her days dancing with her blades and possibly be a teacher of her martial art or what. Only political leader will never have an end until they die.
Those are not permanent ends at all. Kaisa grew up without Kassadin for years and both of them were heavily affected by the Void. How could they possibly move on? What would they even do with themselves? How are they supposed to become a family when they don't even understand themselves anymore? Nami's duty as a Tidecaller is done when she retrieves the moonstone. Like the hobbits in LOTR, Nami's not going to be unaffected by her journey abroad. It's unlikely she'll be able to go back to being a normal fishgirl civilian. How is she supposed to live in ignorance once more now that she's seen what the rest of the world has to offer? How can she just settle down and have kids or whatever when she knows the Void is not just under the sea with her, but all across the world? Irelia's the most baffling of these examples of not-political-leaders because she *is* a political leader. Her conflict with Karma is specifically a political one; Irelia believes they should fight and abandon tradition to slaughter the Noxian threat, while Karma urges a more cautious approach. Irelia also has problems with the Kinkou and others who stood neutral during the war. Even if all of that ended in peace and harmony, there's no guarantee that Noxus would not come back, or that some other power would not try to take Ionia's riches. And there's Xayah and Rakan's revolution to consider.
: If your champions lore were to end permanently...
"Permanently end?" There's no permanent end (outside of death), friend, there's just a point where the storyteller stops talking. There are very few champions that could even have a true "ending" wherein their story is complete and they have nothing else to do or anywhere else to go. Example1: Even if Shurima is rebuilt and the issue of Emperor/Empress decided, there will be political issues to deal with. The Void will always be a problem. The potential threat of the Darkin returning. Noxus remains an imperial powerhouse. Shurima may very well decide to expand east, into Kumungu (or whatever that are of jungle is called now) Example2: Let's say Nami gets the moonstone and returns home. Would the Marai tribe truly feel like home anymore? Now that she's seen so much of the surface world, seen so much of not just the world but the very real threat that the Void beneath her people poses to all of it? Could she really just go back under water and live her life as it was? Example3: Even if the Freljord units under Ashe, Sejuani joins her as her military commander, and Lissandra sees the error of her ways and joins with them both (incredibly unlikely), that would mean that the Freljord just became an international power. They would have to deal with Noxus and Demacia (heck, the two might see a united Freljord of this scale as a legitimate enough threat to necessitate it). The demigods of the Freljord are still a thing. etc etc
: Do you think Jarvan needs a VU?
Didn't he just get a VU (albeit to his abilities) a while ago?
xN0VAx (NA)
: Star Guardians
Can't speak for anyone else but I'd love to see a villain skin line for the Star Guardians. Someone for the current 10-girl roster to fight. I've been calling them Star Destroyers.
Opop (EUW)
: That's actually wrong, Sylas' lore, the ''Turmoil'' short story and the even one of Lux's short story make it clear that they only imprison mages as a last resort: -Sylas' was given a job as a mageseeker and he was only imprisoned because he killed 3 people. -On ''Turmoil'' they even spoke about a mage that was ''registered'' and only went to jail AFTER Sylas decided to do his uprising, and they also mention banishing mages to other lands. -Lux's mother knows she's a mage and for a while had a man come to her house every so often to attempt to ''cure her'' (by doing stuff such as making her drink grinded petricite or doing meditation) Mages in Demacia are forbidden of using their magic, and if they do so they will get punished by going on ''rehabilitation''. However, if they use magic to preform crimes they get sent to jail. Demacia is actually reasonable, they don't persecute people for being born with magical powers (well not until Sylas decided to cause mass hysteria anyways) they punish people who use magic. Hell if mages hated Demacia so much they could move to other nearby lands, for example Arbormark seems to like mages.
Sylas was imprisoned for murder, I don't deny that. The issue I have with Demacia currently is not that they're reasonable about mages nor that they hate them, but rather that this more reasonable aspect has only been revealed AFTER we moved into more extreme territory for them. Turmoil only came out after Sylas' rebellion began, and it's the first time we learn that one could "register" their mages as benign. Which immediately begs the question of why this has never been brought up before when it would have solved so many problems and answered so many questions!! We see in the Lux & Galio story that mages are kept separated from the normal populace in a slum. Which is absolutely persecution because of how they were born and takes place years before Sylas broke out. Travel is not as easy in the medieval period as it is in the modern day, especially not a feudal system like Demacia; most people are just not going to have the option to move elsewhere.
Ifneth (NA)
: Three who murdered and schemed their way to power, and an undead abomination, are your proof that it’s a good idea for a mage to live in Noxus?
That Noxus values its mages, else these three would not be a thing (especially Swain) and Sion would not exist.
Ifneth (NA)
: Are valued parts of society tricked into joining it, kept as amusements, and then lied to again, suddenly faced with a choice between mass murder and death?
Swain, Vladimir, LeBlanc, the fact that Sion exists.
Ifneth (NA)
: At least they’re alive, and not turned into instruments of slaughter.
Mages in Noxus are valued parts of their society. Taliyah got thrown into the ocean because she wouldn't fight in the war, not because she was a mage.
Ifneth (NA)
: That’s definitely not a pro: Taliyah did no stoneweaving while in Noxus and, on the ship, was ordered to commit mass murder or be drowned. She chose to be drowned but survived by swimming to shore. Being manipulated, lied to, used, threatened, and almost murdered because powerful people see your gift as either an amusement or weapon is not being “allowed” to do anything. I’d frankly rather live in Demacia than Noxus as a mage. They’d just tell me to move to the countryside.
Mages in Demacia are either imprisoned for nothing or live in the slums.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZbXnbQOp,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-01-26T00:43:11.432+0000) > > Well... no. The problem with Lux is that her ENTIRE narrative is centered on the magical conflict. That's why she's a good candidate. They can make a story that removes her from that conflit and instead builds on her as a character. For example, a story where she visits one of the pronvices in Demacia, not as Crownguard, not as mage, but instead as any other human. Maybe she went looking for someone in particular and that doesn't have to involve the "anti-magic" theme. I'm not a writer and that's the extent of my creativity. I just think her that being, figuratively, the anti-magic conflit in flesh, is a great opportunity to make a story that doesn't talk about any of it at all. You get what I'm trying to say? *** But I agree. Lux has received a lot of lore compared to other demacian champions. What can I say... I really like Lux.
That's just it though, you CAN'T remove her from it, it's her entire character. Everything she does is going to reflect on what mages can accomplish in Demacia and feeds into that conflict.
Ifneth (NA)
: Noxus told Taliyah it would let her strengthen its walls. Instead, she was paraded around noble dinners as a conversation piece. Desperate to escape, she trusted a disgraced captain who promised her foreign adventure. He sailed her to Ionia to *bury sleeping villagers in their homes*. Her treatment is no example of good Noxian deeds.
I didn't say good deeds, I said it was an example of a pro of noxian society, especially in comparison to the rest of Runeterra. And it was. In Noxus, so long as you have the ability to do a thing, you can do the thing. Taliyah's abilities were why she was valued in Noxus.
: We need more Jarvan, Shyvana, and Quinn stories. Riot is focusing too hard on Garen and Lux. Like look at Sylas release and the Demacian lore that came with it. It literally is just about Lux and Garen. Hell, Jarvan III is mentioned more than Jarvan IV with the new released lores.
*THIS.* Also less focus on the magic narrative, but *THIS*.
Krabohod (NA)
: Theory about new support, Bandle City and their skills
>Also, I think use of "by the book" in the video was important. But I can not think of anything that phrase could mean. But I feel like it's really important. We see the book.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: They tried this with _For Demacia_, didn't they, when Lux, Garen, and the Dauntless Vanguard try to banish Nocturne from Fossbarrow? The problem is that story _still_ dealt with a magical threat and the persecution of an apparently innocent man. Demacia isn't wrong about mages. Of the magic users in the champion roster, 24 can be considered varying degrees of villainous. Letting a mage accumulate power is like knowing about a ticking time bomb in your backyard and saying _"I'll handle it later."_ It doesn't end well. The way they go about dealing with mages and magical threats is nonsense, however. More importantly, that every story needs to be about their extreme anti-magical views is mind-numbing. They need something else to be happening in their lore; you can leave the magic to Lux, Sylas, and Vayne, instead of involving their every champion with it.
I disagree. For Demacia was very much a story about Demacia's anti-magic stance. It did justify it somewhat, so Demacia looked less cartoonishly evil, but it still was centered on that conflict. I do, however, agree that the constant focus on the magic/anti-magic position is numbing. It's like somebody decided that people still thought of Demacia as the good guy kingdom and kept adding more 'questionable morality' but forgot you need GOOD aspects to make something questionable.
Febos (EUW)
: Luxanna is a good vector for more demacian lore. It seems like not everyone in Demacia is anti-magic or, at the very least, tolerate it, since some elitist groups use it. She has a feet in both worlds: the Crownguard family and the Illuminators cult - the latter knows of her powers. Kayle and Morgana reworks might bring some twists to demacian lore too. They're still affiliated with them in the [Map of Runeterra](https://map.leagueoflegends.com/en_US) so chances are they'll play a big part in its lore. All in all I don't disagree with you. Demacia needs more stuff going on than just "Anti-magic". Sylas, albeit a good step forward, is still playing into that narrative. I hope Demacia gets the same love Noxus got.
Well... no. The problem with Lux is that her ENTIRE narrative is centered on the magical conflict. She is part of the pro of Demacia, but is also directly impacted by its con. Any story that centers on her is going to involve the magic/anti-magic narrative just by its nature. EDIT: Basically what Mafros said, though I don't think Xin Zhao is the way to go; I think Demacia needs a bit wider perspective.
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