: Wanna see some real matchmaking catastrophe? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/3134308443#participant4 I was like a beginner bot. Thank god this was a normal game at least.
> [{quoted}](name=Reaper Soraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=scn5AjEh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-26T19:46:58.020+0000) > > Wanna see some real matchmaking catastrophe? > > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/3134308443#participant4 > > I was like a beginner bot. Thank god this was a normal game at least. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/3134246086#participant4 I got you beat.
: Riot is the Problem.
My point is, it's Unfair to the Bronze players, it's unfair to the silver trying to hit gold, and it's Unfair to the Team in general it breads Toxicity when you have players of Varying skill levels expecting team work.
Rioter Comments
: The Toxicity created by Riot games poor Design choices.
New one To add the list that Sony has Ruined, Spiderman. when will people learn not to do Business with Sony or their Employees X or otherwise.
: Oh look, my scaling oneshot machine with free void staff in her kit is useless in early QQ. (she isn't) You are in gold, look or listen to any jngler in any serious elo, he will tell you that the best champs for 1v9 in low elos are Kha, Rengo, Eve and Twitch, maybe few others. Also saying that Eve/Seju can't gank/have bad pre6 gank is lie, from lvl3 their ganks are good, Kayn/Shyv are bad early gankers... (what in the fuck is that reddit post supposed to mean?)
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=unqhy3jY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-22T05:15:45.112+0000) > > Oh look, my scaling oneshot machine with free void staff in her kit is useless in early QQ. (she isn't) > > You are in gold, look or listen to any jngler in any serious elo, he will tell you that the best champs for 1v9 in low elos are Kha, Rengo, Eve and Twitch, maybe few others. > > Also saying that Eve/Seju can't gank/have bad pre6 gank is lie, from lvl3 their ganks are good, Kayn/Shyv are bad early gankers... > > (what in the fuck is that reddit post supposed to mean?) Also Im talki g pre rework sejuani it was in the riot forums as the reason for the sejuani rework for patch 7.9
: Oh look, my scaling oneshot machine with free void staff in her kit is useless in early QQ. (she isn't) You are in gold, look or listen to any jngler in any serious elo, he will tell you that the best champs for 1v9 in low elos are Kha, Rengo, Eve and Twitch, maybe few others. Also saying that Eve/Seju can't gank/have bad pre6 gank is lie, from lvl3 their ganks are good, Kayn/Shyv are bad early gankers... (what in the fuck is that reddit post supposed to mean?)
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=unqhy3jY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-22T05:15:45.112+0000) > > Oh look, my scaling oneshot machine with free void staff in her kit is useless in early QQ. (she isn't) > > You are in gold, look or listen to any jngler in any serious elo, he will tell you that the best champs for 1v9 in low elos are Kha, Rengo, Eve and Twitch, maybe few others. > > Also saying that Eve/Seju can't gank/have bad pre6 gank is lie, from lvl3 their ganks are good, Kayn/Shyv are bad early gankers... > > (what in the fuck is that reddit post supposed to mean?) See you point would be valid if he wasn't Sony, those guys infilltrate companies steal ideas and crash them to he ground, #remember Sega cd, Ninendo cd, Dreamcast, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy 4, Eq Next, Star wars, Battlefield. These guys are professional dushe bags that ruin everything.
: The Toxicity created by Riot games poor Design choices.
as far as I'm concerned Sony's Ability to ruin good Games after Launch for over two decades speaks for itself.
Rioter Comments
: 53%+ winrate in diamond+. 5% play rate. She must be SO bad. /s People who think she's bad are just playing her bad.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KsORKwY6,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-15T03:26:29.267+0000) > > 53%+ winrate in diamond+. 5% play rate. > > She must be SO bad. /s > > People who think she's bad are just playing her bad. Yeah I'm sure when People will come Help you with Dragon, tank Baron properly for you, and Help you with Rift on Que She's great. the Problem is The Majority Of Real players who are Gold and bellow Don't Fucking Give a shit about those objectives, which Means I can't Compete with the Nunu/Meta Junglers who Can actually Solo Dragon, I could JUST barely do it before the Nerf to my Q, now that they have nerfed it not a frickin chance. and Fuck you, you don't even Play Evelynn.
: Is this the year we finally get an a Victorious assassin skin???
: I like how on even farm an items an ADC can 1v1 Rengar.
you think rengar is in a bad place play evelynn.
: Does anybody Even Enjoy playing eve anymore? or does she just feel like a hollow shell.
Rioter Comments
: Can i softmod evelynns e so i can get the old sound effect back?
Literally the ONLY thing cool about new Eve is her new look, but you know what I liked the Saiyin hair, she was like a Female GOku who punched people you ever think maybe that was an appeal to people ? maybe we liked that she looked like a Female saiyan on steriods who Dove hard into combat. http://www.leagueoflegendsskins.com/images/champions/splash/Evelynn_1.jpg she was literally everything I loved in old saturday morning chartoons little bit of He-man Little bit of Goku, now she's just boring.
: Can i softmod evelynns e so i can get the old sound effect back?
I think what pissess me off the most is they put NO thought into her Voice sound effects, I mean they Kept Nothing golden about old eve, did they ever stop to think the best thing about eve was her old quotes ? I mean it's hard to run like this in Heels was golden. new eve doesn't tell a single amusing anything.
: Can i softmod evelynns e so i can get the old sound effect back?
What was cool about evelynn was her Speed, her Physical Builds/build Diversity/ and her ability to INITIATE A team fight that gets her TEAM INTO COMBAT Not get herself into combat be annoying and die because she Can't Dive out NEARLY hard enough anymore for it to matter, she has No build Versatility even for runes because they nerfed her damage so hard you Have to take Thunder runes. well maybe I wanted to Take Fucking RUn speed runes riot fuck you.
: Can i softmod evelynns e so i can get the old sound effect back?
agreed, why the fuck would they Think any Origional player of Eve would want her to go from a Diver to a Run the Fuck away champion, legit all they did was Reverse her Gameplay, her ult isn't even a Fucking Finisher between all the Barriors/heals/items to escape it. you Can't even Take Full advantage of your Own Fucking Abilities you literally have to Choose for the MR Shred do I E Q Q Q or do I E/R I mean in terms of Assassinating your Q is fucking worthless. for anything but popping the Charm and if your fighting 3 Melee champions and your Trying to Pop that Charm on a Running ADC who is like 2 feet away EVEN if you Landed the initial Skill shit Q On the adc it won't fucking Follow up on the Target. as a 1.6mil Old eve Mastery Main with 200,000 on new Eve I say fuck off riot, your Rework is trash. Nobody Wanted a 2.5second Charm, and Nobody Wanted your Bullshit Perma Stealth We want season 1 eve back not this Trash you've given us.
94372148 (NA)
: Why is Evelynn's charm ultra forgiving?
I fucking can't believe that they nerfed eve this patch.
: Patch 9.15 notes
Christ, Stop nerfing Eve you bastards she's not even Balanced, Every Jungler in the Fucking Game can Gank better then Her unless she gets Stupid Fed and if she Over performs like that she Deserves the god damn win, you guys are just Fucking with her out of Spite and Prejudice now. Why is it Khazix/rengar are allowed to be Proper God damn fucking assassins and Eve has to be a GOd Damn worthless %%%%. she's supposed to be an assassin She's just a glorified support, I Legit do Better as SUpport eve then I do as Jungle eve, because I get a Jungler who Can actually fucking Gank/do dmg I mean wtf is your Reasoning for my E at rank 1 to do less damage then my God damn Auto attack.
: It's... okay. I wish it were just slightly quicker to ready, though. It's okay when I play tank Evelynn because I can stay in the fight and just trigger it with one of my Q shots. But when played as intended, it's really hard to actually trigger it because even down here in Bronze, players will IMMEDIATELY rush to safety when it hits them. Evelynn is intended to be a jungle assassin with strong ganks, and it seems kind of odd to have something in her kit that telegraphs your gank that far in advance. I feel similarly about Kindred's mark, but at least that can be placed globally, so you never know if she's coming to get you or just marking you for later.
I agree, I kind of Wish I had Old Eves W to be honest, I miss running Fast/Disengaging Slows/resets on Kills.
: How Does the Community Feel about Evelynns W ?
I'm kind of surprised more people in the community arn't weighing in on this, honestly thought people had more to say on her.
: > [{quoted}](name=Halodjin Tyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LkkYT6Am,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-22T08:01:03.725+0000) > > As a {{champion:28}} Main it would be really fucking cool if I could play her in Lane. why though? im not saying you shouldnt be able to, but the whole point of the champion is to roam around the map and make picks.
Honestly, she was a lot of fun in top in season 6, she was really good against Garren and a few other Champions when she could build Physically, she had decent wave clear and defensive abilities once. I'm really annoyed that they Took the Most Versitile Champion in the game and gave her a single niche roll. their is a reason I had 1.6mil mastery as the Champion and I've only climbed 200,000 since the Rework. she's so ... boring now. and to be honest she really sucks at Competing or Jg Objectives on this rework, she doesn't feel like a Jungler at all for anything BUT Roaming around and maing picks, I mean in 30 minutes of gameplay only being able to Do that One thing .... your missing a lot, Dragons, First turret Gold, Plating, list goes on. to me this game doesn't have 140+champions it's GOt Evelynn and the people I fight.
: Remove Chat Box
I second this, I Got Banned from chatting once in game or given Limited chat ability, best Games I had. I kind of wish Everyone had a Minor Chat ban to make people Worry about how often they Chat or what they say in a match. if it where me, I'd make Global Chat Limited, but make it easier to Send Private Messages, and if make it so the Mute button Can block Private messages so if People feel the Need to be social. or Maybe if you start Flaming or Say certain censoring Things you automatically Get a Friendly CHat restriction that says you can Type 30 more things this game or something (without riot punishing you for being mad) or Maybe add a Report function in Game that Flags you as being Toxic which Limits what you Can say to 30 Types that Game. NOn of this I think should punish you in any way other then reducing your ability to Flame.
: Remove Chat Box
I second this, I Got Banned from chatting once in game or given Limited chat ability, best Games I had. I kind of wish Everyone had a Minor Chat ban to make people Worry about how often they Chat or what they say in a match.
: Nerf Garen's silence please.
as a {{champion:28}} main I kind of Hate Garrens Silence Interaction, for Example I land the charm I try to E In but while charmed he auto attacks/cancels all my moves. or Anybody Else who Can Cancel my E While Charmed for that matter, which is a stupidly long lost.
Yenn (NA)
: My entire team has died before I hit level 3 as jungle. I'm basically removed from the game.
it would be nice if Jungle had a Game winning Objective that could Help in the Enemy Jg to give The Jungler Something they can Do or accomplish if having to Play Defensively, for Example if I clear my Enemy Jungles objective to the corresponding lane I generate a Healing Aura or Damage Aura around my allies Turret Until the Plating Falls for X minutes or something to give the losing lane an Edge, but I can Only do it for One lane at a Time, so I can choose to Defend the Objective against the Enemy Jungler or Empower a differen't Lane. this would in Turn encourage my Team mate to Play Defensively around Tower, allowing more Opportunities to Gank that Lane, or if my Allie gets too powerful and is pushing it has No real effect or help for him, I'd probably set it up so if the laner doesn't Tag to his tower once every 30 seconds by either channeling the tower or something he loses the buff effect.
: > [{quoted}](name=Minature Tiger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c4ZXMFOt,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-22T07:29:34.963+0000) > > That makes no sense. It makes perfect sense and it's pretty much verbatim what Rioters have said about it. You don't have to like it but it's not going to change.
Yenn (NA)
: As a ranged champion, it would be really cool if I could interact with Yasuo in lane
As a {{champion:28}} Main it would be really fucking cool if I could play her in Lane.
Rioter Comments
: Just popping in here as the playtester who worked on Evelynn. We didn't try this on Evelynn but we suspected that players would've liked the button mashy input and wanted to keep it. We did experiment with the press and hold input on other content and found that it was generally unsatisfying.
Silly Question but I'm kind of curious, Why did they decide to Remove Evelyn's Physical build and run speed Elements ? (you don't have to comment on the Lower part just a fun thing I used to do) I personally originally played the Champion because She was fast and Invisible, it was really easy to Teach New players Timing ganks as Eve if you where in voice chat because you could Position With non observant team members/ ult engage with your botlaners I liked to call her the Streak, fastest thing on two feat and then make high Heal jokes/Achilles jokes/Arrow to the Knee Jokes...... I thought the whole point of the Change was to Make her feel Less Divey, and secure her as an assassin. but I find she's a lot more Divey then ever before, because to get her W off properly you kind of have to split off from the Entire group get Behind them into their Flee Position and then Engage, it's just ... a lot slower of a Dive and feels kind of boring.
: Hey everyone! Sound designer for the K/DA skins here. Thought I'd chime in about the points you mentioned above, which were very sound arguments by the way. See what I did there? Sound? Anyone? Okay so! First things first. For context, there are chordal synth stabs on Eve's Q spikes, and they randomize so that every time you hit her 3 spikes, you get slightly different melodies. Similarly to what's going on with K/DA Ahri's 3 dashes on her ult. During development, I did have a version of the spikes that was very heavy with the synth/musical elements, and week after week I consistently got the feedback from Evelynn mains that while it was cool, after clearing jungle camp after jungle camp it became extremely fatiguing quickly. Not only that, that high frequency TICK TICK TICK of Eve's spikes are a pretty iconic part of her kit since her VGU. I really tried to hit a tasteful balance where you do hear the music, but it doesn't get super fatiguing to the ears when clearing camps. However! After exploring some of the feedback I got when the skins were on PBE, I did notice a trend where folks were hoping to hear more of the musical elements on Eve's Q spikes. So in service of that, I submitted a change that downplayed the spike elements and increased the volume of the musical layers. **That change is currently on PBE and will patch out to all regions in 8.23** On a broader note to the point above, one of the biggest things I try to keep in mind when designing the audio for a skin is "how do I make this skin shine as epically as possible and explore new creative ground while protecting gameplay at all costs". Eve has certain very key components that make her recognizable. One of them is her Q spikes. Another is the savage scream on her ult. Similarly, I also wanted to protect the cadence of her E. I really worked to dial up the pop awesomeness on her empowered E, and left the less damaging unempowered E less embellished on purpose: to widen the delta of impact between the two versions of her E. Note that the unempowered E still has new SFX - it's a subtler shimmery crystalline tail to inject some airy popstar flair into the ability, but I didn't want to go too heavy-handed. I hope this provides a bit of insight into why I felt it was best to make the design choices that ultimately shipped with the skin. Eve was one of my favorite K/DA skins to design, so my hope is that this helps folks understand that these sounds were made with the best play experience in mind. Also I really love nerding out about sound design too, and I appreciate that this thread was made because I love the passion. :)
Can you PLEASE bring back Evelynns It's hard to run like this in heals Joke to sometimes play when something increases my run speed. I know it's a silly thing to miss but it kind of my favorite.
: Not fun anymore
Honestly As a Jungler Turret plating has kind of ruined the game for me, but that's mostly because of the short comings of {{champion:28}} as a Champion. Her inability to Reliably Handle Dragon/Rift/minions/turrets really hurts in the early game and forces me to give up SOoooo Much.
: "Mages will abuse AP bruiser items!"
I'm kind of sad Evelynn can't use {{item:3070}}, even when she was a mana Heavy Champion it was worthless because Building Stacks is too difficult for her, which is Ridiculous when you consider it, the problem is the Rate of Charge.
: > [{quoted}](name=Halodjin Tyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hw7FvRme,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-25T03:28:06.105+0000) > > as a person who Hates Cats, I want the ability to Knock her off of me on Purr pus. That's fine just don't attacky my Nidalee pls.
... Nidalee is a cougar, far superior in every way especially at night clubs.
: Im upset that I cannot upvote this 100x. Galio is the prototype failure for modern LOL. Complete loss of what the champ was designed to be, and ends up being good at nothing.
{{champion:28}} is kind of in the same boat, I mean she's getting kind of ignored hard.
: Patch 9.14 notes
can we please Get a Throwback skin for Eve https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Evelynn/History?file=Evelynn_Render_old2.png
: Patch 9.14 notes
I'm a little Disappointed that {{champion:28}} didn't get a Barrier Shred, Honestly Wish I could still build Physical Eve so I could take advantage of all those Assassin Items/lethality but I'm not so Now I have to complain about all the Ridiculous Barriors zed can have lol I've I've been having a lot of Trouble against the Zeds of the world who Build {{item:3155}} {{item:3812}} {{summoner:21}} {{item:3026}} alongside {{item:3111}} {{item:3053}} and the Rune Nullifying Orb......
Reksee (NA)
: Opinion: More Mobility does not make the game fun
I don't know man, Gotta Go fast, I want Old Eve and her Run speed back.
koshkyra (NA)
: I have no problem with her being untargetable, its the fucking Q, an undodgeable ability should not have that much range. Her Q is literally a mini cait ult on a basic support ability,
I agree her Q should be a Basic Skill shot, and her Ult should be a LOT Smaller range, I mean what the literal fuck.
: As someone who plays a fair amount of Yuumi, she should not exist
as a person who Hates Cats, I want the ability to Knock her off of me on Purr pus.
: Evelynn Changes.
https://imge.to/i/UGV8h
Rioter Comments
: Evelynn Needs a Buff.
I mean in this Video I took an Entire MF ult and Kept going https://plays.tv/video/580c04a8867bafa625/there-all-dead-except-for-annie-she-lives-with-it-?from=search&game_id=b179585c6b68a2791eea4a1ad3d7ef72&leagueoflegends%3Asummoner=HalodjinnTyr-NA New eves got NOTHING on Old eve.
: Evelynn Needs a Buff.
https://plays.tv/video/58047cb42dfc8408ad/tripple-kill-?from=search&game_id=b179585c6b68a2791eea4a1ad3d7ef72&leagueoflegends%3Asummoner=HalodjinnTyr-NA There is no doing this anymore.
: Zed built to counter you. You got counter built dude. This is working as intended and idk what to tell you OP other than simply git gud.
> [{quoted}](name=Mavëríck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k3Kq3ArA,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-06-21T20:49:45.034+0000) > > Zed built to counter you. You got counter built dude. This is working as intended and idk what to tell you OP other than simply git gud. I honestly just want Old Eve back, she was a lot more Enjoyable, Being a Hybrid Champion she was Great, I feel as if I was put into a Small niche of usefulness with this Rework, I Climbed up to 1.6mil on old eve, now that new eves out I barely play anymore, I'm maybe at 1.7mil now. That's Fun lost. I really love the new artwork, the fact that she no longer says it's hard to run like this in heals, and she Doesn't have Any level of Decent Run speed anymore kind of Blows. I'd love to see her E reworked to Slowely make you run faster as the Game goes on, or as you level up the E range Extended as well. but meh. Or maybe the E making you Run faster and you cast the E attack when your In lunge range that would be nice as well, but as it stands it's really frustrating to Enjoy. These days the Games I enjoy the Most are the Games I go Full Tank Spec and just sit untop of the ADC waiting for somebody to Dive or cast a long range ability on him/her, It's oddly satisfying to take a Cait Trap for a Vayne who is chasing down her target when cait thinks she has the Upperhand.
Barcid (NA)
: Why does Evelynn's E only have a 225 range?
: Evelynn Needs a Buff.
But The Barrior Problem I suspect stems between the Damage Reduction of my E counting as a Physical Melee Magic Attack (despite no longer doing Physical Damage) but since it Applies on hit Melee attack procs it also seems to apply On hit Physical Defenses So as I said Earlier {{item:3047}} is proving to be a Very annoying Pick against me as Eve, when you add that to {{item:3046}} {{item:3076}} and {{item:3812}} things are Going very weirdly. Especially if they are cool enough to also be allowed to build {{item:3156}} having said this Since I don't get to build a lot of these items on Eve, I'm not sure Phantom Dancer and Maws Overshields can function together, But I would love to see the Math Background on Damage Reduction and Overshields, how it's mathematically Done for it, and %dmg. I legit did a Video on it once for Lee, where I slowed it down and Proved it was working that way, Posted it to riot and a few patches Later Lee and Barriors where Supposedly Fixed, but if you Over Damage a Barrior it Seems to give you a Sivir spell shield sometimes for the Raw Physical Damage.
: LOL, if you can't kill a low hp Zed on Eve it's a sign that you're trash, not the champ.
> [{quoted}](name=lightnezumi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k3Kq3ArA,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-16T20:35:18.641+0000) > > LOL, if you can't kill a low hp Zed on Eve it's a sign that you're trash, not the champ. Did you Legit just make this account to say this ? never played a Game even, what are you an anonymous Designer ? if so Come at me in Privates Man have I got a bone to pick with you. Starting with you know what I really like the new changes to The Jg I'd say it's almost on Point feeling a lot more healthy this patch thank you, I have a Few complaints with Dragon and rift I'd like to Express. Starting With Nunu/Warwick and champions like that Just having a Much healthier Time competing for Major jungle objectives this could be fixed simply by giving Dragon a Burn Effect, not allowing Healing From Self Sources. Dragon Should be a TEAM effort, not a Effortless 1 man Camp spawn, and if it is a Effortless 1 man Camp spawn it should take Forever to Solo that Really really hurts so Anybody and their dog can Punish you for it if your discovered. Or maybe I'm having Problems with ZED Because my Starting Level E does Less Damage then my Auto attacks, unless you have High Health, zed doesn't. My Q is hard to Land because not only am I visable walking towards him at level 3, But I'm also Revealing my approach with the charm. I am Designed Not to hurt at those levels, and the Masteries/items he gets to Pick give him some pretty Nice Magic barriers making Low level Gameplay Terrible if he decides to Invade my Jg. It's legit Free kills, I don't know why Every zed doesn't buy a Pink for Red buff and just fuck you up and go after 6, I mean he usually gets to 6 with a 2 level lead anyway. Plus this game still has this Wonderful Glitch with my E damage only Chunking % of Barrior Health instid of Max health, or at least that's what it feels like it's doing as Boots like {{item:3047}} seem to be working it's passive against my Magical Attack because it seems to Count as a Physical in terms of Procs. so a Zed who Takes Sorcery Globe in his Masteries, Has {{item:3047}} and starting Item {{item:3155}} can be Quite difficult for me to Injure. and in Terms of Barrios I KNOW my E isn't functioning Properly because if I land the Charm on a {{champion:157}} or Lee{{champion:64}} who has a Barrior up and i E them they Don't lose any Health, The {{champion:157}} barrior is only supposed to absorb a Small amount of Health on his passive, Yet if I go in when their Barrior is Down land the Charm and E I legit Murder them.
: The sad thing is there isn't a replacement for her old play style.
> [{quoted}](name=2000shadows,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2019-06-18T10:14:13.800+0000) > > The sad thing is there isn't a replacement for her old play style. agreed 100%
: horrible for her clears? Have you ever played current eve? Her jungle clears are better than 90% of the rest of the jungle roster.
> [{quoted}](name=Wimbledofy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F1lMstaH,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-10-04T08:03:13.503+0000) > > horrible for her clears? Have you ever played current eve? Her jungle clears are better than 90% of the rest of the jungle roster. I should Clarify, When Taking Rift/Dragon at levels 4-12 it's a Struggle to solo Dragon (as in my mind it should be) requiring depending on the Level or dragon spawned 2 Smites and my Hp is Neck and Neck with Dragons on the Way down, When you compare that to Nunu/Warwick, Xin (you get my point I Hope) Her Objective clear is Terrible.
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