: Soraka's been reworked since Nami. Karma has been reworked since Nami. Janna has been reworked since Nami. Rakan was released. Yuumi was released. Bard was released. P.S. Nami has really complex play. She's not "boring >.>" P.P.S Senna's R is not wide damage wise, and the damage is sub average on it.
Bard isn't an enchanter, karma wasn't really reworked as much as she was objectively obliterated having everything that made her unique and cool taken away.
: Removing a percentage of stats is also not skill-based. You just have a significant gold advantage over them because they bought that stat you're removing, and there's nothing they can do about it. No skill, no counterplay. You just make it so you have more gold value than them (even if they're ahead in many cases) with no interaction with actual gameplay outcomes. THAT is why tanks are doomed to be shit in this game unless overloaded.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XpQgwM4L,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-26T03:27:09.423+0000) > > Removing a percentage of stats is also not skill-based. You just have a significant gold advantage over them because they bought that stat you're removing, and there's nothing they can do about it. > > No skill, no counterplay. You just make it so you have more gold value than them (even if they're ahead in many cases) with no interaction with actual gameplay outcomes. THAT is why tanks are doomed to be shit in this game unless overloaded. It's still not random. I'm not saying that negating gold is okay. But i'm saying crit still being in the game is a much, much deeper detriment to the game.
: I mean, concepts such as Last Whisper and Void Staff are just as bad. Why should you be able to remove significant gold value from a champion? Why not just...not have armor in such massively abundant amounts? %HP damage is also just as bad. Why should a champion scale with your success instead of on their own success? If you think %HP damage deals more to tanks, you'd actually be wrong. Due to the flat damage always attacked, you are dealing a much larger percentage of a squishy champion's HP than a tanky champion's HP, and that's before considering resistances, which tankier champions will often have more of.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XpQgwM4L,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-26T03:01:10.405+0000) > > I mean, concepts such as Last Whisper and Void Staff are just as bad. Why should you be able to remove significant gold value from a champion? One word. Consistency. And you're not really removing gold, it's on a case by case basis. And what's more, it's the same. Everytime. There's no randomness in this exchange. Critical strike is literally at it's core a random reward for basic attacking. It's not skill based, there's no counterplay (outside of the one item that reduces damage from critical strikes), it's just totally random extra damage.
: Now that everybody can get Yasuo's 100% crit powerspike for less than 6k gold, can we rework crit?
I feel like a much, much better question is *Why is crit even still in this game?* This is one of the most popular competitive online games out there and it uses an inconsistent ass mechanic that's completely based on RNG. Honestly, I've been preaching this since season 2 and i'll never stop. Because it's stupid, crit makes the game worse, any small amount of build diversity it adds falls very far short of justifying it still being in the game. I just don't get it, I thought back in like S2-S3 that they'd remove it as the game got more popular and then they did some stupid shit like double down on it instead.
Janakin (EUNE)
: You are being impatient. They need at least 2 years to realize it's crap.
: Klepto was cool, imo.
I also agree with this; it was cool. Additionally it was taken out for pretty much no reason also. They said the added income was too strong and that "the item system wasn't deep enough to carry the keystone" Taking it out is possibly the weakest solution to this problem, not to mention you then put pyke into the game and upsetting gold income bot lane far harder than kleptomancy ever could. I understand the issue wasn't just gold income for bot lane i'm just saying. They could have nerfed the gold income further, Taken it away entirely and just focused on making the item pool more rewarding, take away the item passive entirely and just poke a little harder and maybe have like, spellthief pseudo passive on it so that you're still rewarded for procing it. Also taking out kleptomancy was further made redundant with the addition of omnistone. How is balancing this nightmare any more difficult than creating a few unique items for kleptomancy and leaving it in? From a design perspective this solution makes no goddamn sense, especially for a company that is all about "work different creative angles rather than removing things entirely"
: Here is my inspiration keystone idea. You don't have a keystone but can use 5 runes from any tree, including ones from the same row. Infinite mana? Biscuits, Manaflow, Presence of mind Insane tank? Conditioning, Overgrowth, Revitalize, Second wind, Bone plating Like to stack? Relentless hunter, ravenous hunter, ingenious hunter, ultimate hunter, gathering storm I heard you like adaptive force. Zombie ward, Ghost poro, Eyeball collection, Absolute focus, Gathering storm Gotta go fast? Celerity, Water walking, Relentless hunter, Magical Footwear, Unflinching
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Why is it you had to remove the topic instead of just changing the tag? There is literally no excuse for your tyrannical course of action here.
94372148 (NA)
: Pyke's pull doesn't need a 90% slow attached to it.
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8pRrWpWE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-11T22:01:22.926+0000) > > {{champion:350}} ? What's your thoughts on that dog shit champ? Don't you love an untargetable champ who heals their host for 30-40% of their health plus gives them a speed steroid and if that wasn't enough has a high damage poke slow and a lane wide aoe root nuke.
: > [{quoted}](name=HamburgerJunior,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AoYkm4oo,comment-id=002f,timestamp=2019-11-05T06:31:51.643+0000) > > Jesus people none of you have even played long enough to know the true rework crime. > > Karma is completely worthless compared to what she was pre rework, they took away basically everything that made her who she was including her passive, she might as well not even have a passive now. lame ass bs Trust me when I say I'm still screeching no and bruh simultaneously about that. They reworked a champion that would fit perfectly in this bullshit OP more damage for low health meta for not a damn thing. No fucking Karma main wanted this. No one. Karma didn't need to be fixed because she has a high skill floor but nooooooo. Fucking Riot and their fucking bullshit. Everytime I think about how well old Karma would senergize with these new runes I fucking bawl my eyes out.
> [{quoted}](name=OtakuBurrito,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AoYkm4oo,comment-id=002f0000,timestamp=2019-11-05T18:19:08.436+0000) > > Trust me when I say I'm still screeching no and bruh simultaneously about that. They reworked a champion that would fit perfectly in this bullshit OP more damage for low health meta for not a damn thing. No fucking Karma main wanted this. No one. Karma didn't need to be fixed because she has a high skill floor but nooooooo. Fucking Riot and their fucking bullshit. Everytime I think about how well old Karma would senergize with these new runes I fucking bawl my eyes out. Literally true, like the rework was very slightly necessary back when they rolled it out because damage was on a whole different scale than it is now, but like. We're here. Damage is out of control and it's pretty sad karma's still not allowed to have hers. Absolutely new rune synergies with her would be spectacular.
: what reworks/changes that riot has done in the past that affected you the most?
Jesus people none of you have even played long enough to know the true rework crime. Karma is completely worthless compared to what she was pre rework, they took away basically everything that made her who she was including her passive, she might as well not even have a passive now. lame ass bs
: Imagine flaming an autofilled jungler for not knowing how to play the role.
> [{quoted}](name=ChrisBrownze,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iLMoyGON,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-17T04:54:57.558+0000) > > Imagine flaming an autofilled jungler for not knowing how to play the role. Imagine playing leveling an account to 30 and qing for ranked without being able to cover all the roles.
Bârd (NA)
: The state of Crit in league is a big part of why item diversity sucks ass.
I agree with this for the most part. To be honest though, League is a game with over 100 million players on live every day. It's a game with high stakes money tournaments and is competitively played all over the world. Why the fuck is crit even still a thing? It's absolutely ridiculous that it's remained in the game for this long. There shouldn't be that kind of RNG in a game like this, it's absurd. Look at literally ANY OTHER popular competitive game. You won't find any crit, or really much of any rng at all. Like, 7 years ago when riot was still figuring out what this game was going to be i understood crit being in the game. Now? No, there's no excuse for it to exist still. there isn't a single champ on the rift that NEEDS crit to function other than jhin and he can be easily tweaked to fix that. TL:DR take crit out of the goddamn game.
: _Captain Janeway wants to know your location_
> [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1icQGesr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-17T21:59:17.471+0000) > > _Captain Janeway wants to know your location_ Word, she's definitely a contender.
: http://puu.sh/DtGUD/14acef3354.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeath XIII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1icQGesr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-17T21:58:36.849+0000) > > http://puu.sh/DtGUD/14acef3354.jpg I spit my drink
Jamaree (NA)
: Don’t mistake his straight face approach on being a suave gentlemen as boringness, you knave
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1icQGesr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-17T21:56:50.327+0000) > > Don’t mistake his straight face approach on being a suave gentlemen as boringness, you knave Oh i'm not mistaken, it's boringness.
: Why? People are allowed to be wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1icQGesr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-17T21:31:00.370+0000) > > Why? People are allowed to be wrong. Idk I wanted to upset a nerd on the other side of the country somewhere. But you're right, they are.
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: as far as me and my friend are concerned ardent just isnt good on her as she doesnt heal anywhere near often enough for it to be good on her
I disagree, she literally has two stacks of healing spell and generates one every 8 seconds or something late game. Not to mention if you pick up redemption. She heals plenty.
: knights vow is actually the best first item for her and i cant tell you how often ive saved my friend by hoping off and proving passiv then insta jump back on
I'll be sure to give it a go. I usually rush ardent unless adc is jhin
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: When ya'll gonna help out my boy wukong
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: LF silver/gold jungler tourney/flex team
Did, you didn't accept. come on boys. Give me a jungle main or give me death
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: They basically fixed it. He's much better now.
Also Durarara!! was pretty phenomenal and the second season was also good. But Baccano? Masterpiece.
: all you need is this build and a functioning right clicking mouse, trust me bro, im a doctor
: I break down aatrox in this topic, tell you why he's garbage and maybe suggest fixes?
The downvoting system on the boards is in even worse taste than aa's champ design. Some guy read my poll and nothing else and was like "herp derp i'm offended" *downvote*
: > [{quoted}](name=Mirager,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WjZd8mUx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-21T19:22:33.884+0000) > > Any idea when those will be implemented? Cause it sounds slightly better but he still needs a real way to get in. His q has to be the worst movement utility in the game right now. It could be implemented as soon as PBE 7.5 cycle begins.
MaeDoSan (NA)
: Giving him 2 times the AS bonus and a full bloodwell would be nice after you pop him and he is revived , making him stronger without his passive
It'd be nice, but yeah. As is the whole champ design is just abysmal.
: So I didn't read this because I simply don't care for the champion however there has been a post on S@20 talking about changes. "Meddler mentioned a set of Aatrox changes, aiming to get him in a better place until they can get a larger update for him: "Main changes there are: Shifting the passive to a windowed one (proc that grants AS/AD and revive if off CD for a duration, with some downtime). Goal is to offer periods of comparative strength and weakness (lot of the issues we've had with Aatrox's game health have been due to the nature of his revive passive) Removal of % health costs, probably a flat health cost on E. One of Aatrox's big issues is that he's pretty feast or famine, stat checking people hard with a drain tank pattern or just dying. Giving him the flexibility to build defense more (health) without getting as punished by his kit for it gives some good fallback options/alternate builds. Changing the W heal so it's not dependent on his AD, or as extremely different above/below 50% health. Ties in with the build path options above, with a % missing heal looking like a fairly likely mechanic. More details and context next week." " So they currently do have quite a bit of changes planned for our dear Darkin.
Any idea when those will be implemented? Cause it sounds slightly better but he still needs a real way to get in. His q has to be the worst movement utility in the game right now.
: rubbish??? nigguh build guinso bork bloodthirster spirit visage 1v1 anyone 1v1 baron gg 1v1 nesux 1v1 any noob 1v1 gg
> [{quoted}](name=IZ1YA ORIHARA,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WjZd8mUx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-21T19:17:00.707+0000) > > rubbish??? > nigguh build > guinso > bork > bloodthirster > spirit visage > 1v1 anyone > 1v1 baron > gg > 1v1 nesux > 1v1 any noob > 1v1 gg That does oodles of good for the first 3 quarters of the game.
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: Have you tried killing yourself? If not then try taking care you the 2005 C++ SP1 thing and try and figure that part out
: League installer not launching?
Also i'd like to say i ruled out the registry error possibility. The riot games folder doesn't exist in my registry. And i forgot to mention i didn't actually get to uninstall it. It never showed up in the list of stuff I COULD uninstall. So i deleted the install folder with everything in it assuming that was all i had to do.
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Dragfin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4BLuRnqZ,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-02T21:18:19.184+0000) > > Riot does ban accounts: the PB forum is proof enough of that. Yes there is always more that could be done to help discourage poor behavior but again there will never be a system that will be a "one size fits all". As for incentives, there currently exist some incentives for good behavior: access to ranked rewards (if you play ranked), mystery skins/icons, access to hextech crafting, etc. It's still up to the players themselves though to put in the effort to reform/continue to show good behavior regardless of the incentives that Riot provides for them. > > I don't have the answer to that question, but I do agree that it's very annoying to get someone in the game whose only happy when everyone else is unhappy (the Icky Vicky Syndrome as I like to call it ;)). As long as they don't stoop down to the ragers level though then they should still be able to improve regardless. > > I wouldn't necessarily call it passive thinking, more like that there will always be people who have a "my way or the highway" type of mentality no matter what Riot or the community does. Compared to a few years ago Riot has really come a long way in improving their player behavior systems. Is the current system perfect? No. Will it ever be perfect? No. Does it work? Yes. It don't work because there are more AFK's/DC's then there has ever been. Reason being it is the slap on the wrist people get. Passive thinkers never know they are being passive. When something isn't working you take it up a notch. There is absolutely no reason that when someone gets to the LPQ multiple times that they don't get their account banned. One of my biggest problems is AFK's/DC's and regardless of what you say, LPQ doesn't work. AFK's/DC's are arguably the biggest creator of toxicity. I know it is for me. The other things are subjective but there are statistics for AFK's/DC's or they would never have made LPQ in the first place. It has been said before that people are trapped by these idiots who refuse to fix their systems or stay out of the game till they do. They don't because RIOT took such a soft stance to allow them to remain.
I suppose we should all be 13 year old millionaires that have a 60,000 dollar setup. Get fucked dude we weren't all born into the genepool lottery. This is legit all this guy does is run around bitching about afks that aren't even a big deal anymore. Do us a favor, get off the boards.
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: Don't get rid of the legacy client. here's why.
Bam, fucked by the alpha client again dude. Remake in a game it took me 2 minutes to connect to because of how retardedly high maintenance it is. Sick. I love losing placement games for free.
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