: Step 1: Play as Nasus Step 2: Be CC'd because you're an immobile melee Step 3: Rant about losing as Nasus in circumstances where being an immobile melee champion should lose Step 4: Profit Edit: [This your game?](https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3000506976/43851511?tab=overview)
> [{quoted}](name=SociopathFriend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j8XkBEEP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-17T05:46:36.490+0000) > > Step 1: Play as Nasus > Step 2: Be CC'd because you're an immobile melee > Step 3: Rant about losing as Nasus in circumstances where being an immobile melee champion should lose > Step 4: Profit > > Edit: [This your game?](https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3000506976/43851511?tab=overview) I’m not mad about being immobile, in fact I recognized that their team was never something I’d be able to crack through. In addition, they kept free diving my team so splitting wasn’t an option. So I decided to take one for the team and beef up and front line for Jinx. It didn’t work, I literally couldn’t activate my stoneplate and instead of zoning their back line and damage soaking, I was often forced to flash out. And jinx paid the price (I admit, she did not play well at all).
: Go back to an FPS or something if you don't want to be CCed.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j8XkBEEP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-17T04:54:53.308+0000) > > Go back to an FPS or something if you don't want to be CCed. Why do I have to leave the game because I don’t enjoy literally not being able to control my character to the point where I can’t even use items?
Nekorus (NA)
: I agree mage items are pretty gay especially zhonyas since its so easy to rush with such good stats including the free stopwatch from the inspiration rune. Seraphs gives a pretty stupid barrier...well what i'm saying is that mage items have very stupid actives and way too much tankiness. Rod gives insane hp,Zhonyas gives so much survivability and don't even get me started on {{item:3148}} .
> [{quoted}](name=Nekorus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gqEApZxZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-17T04:23:05.739+0000) > > I agree mage items are pretty gay especially zhonyas since its so easy to rush with such good stats including the free stopwatch from the inspiration rune. Seraphs gives a pretty stupid barrier...well what i'm saying is that mage items have very stupid actives and way too much tankiness. Rod gives insane hp,Zhonyas gives so much survivability and don't even get me started on {{item:3148}} . chill dawg, edit that shit before you get in trouble.
Nekorus (NA)
: {{champion:2}}
> [{quoted}](name=Nekorus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j8XkBEEP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-17T04:24:24.756+0000) > > {{champion:2}} You're right, every champion in the game has access to Olaf's ultimate.
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Rioter Comments
: It really just depends on the champs that you play, there is really no reason to downvote your thread as long as you recognize that, vayne has glaring weaknesses holding her back so riot has had to buff the crap out of her in order to compensate her enough to actually be usable in a meta where the champs she counters are almost non existent, and if they do showup its just unfair for those champs. They need to just outright remove her specialization against tanks if they are gonna keep her like this because she is no longer truly specialized, she can fight almost anyone right now.
> [{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-03-16T00:02:50.059+0000) > > It really just depends on the champs that you play, there is really no reason to downvote your thread as long as you recognize that, vayne has glaring weaknesses holding her back so riot has had to buff the crap out of her in order to compensate her enough to actually be usable in a meta where the champs she counters are almost non existent, and if they do showup its just unfair for those champs. > > > They need to just outright remove her specialization against tanks if they are gonna keep her like this because she is no longer truly specialized, she can fight almost anyone right now. She just needs slight tweaks to bring her down. And I totally believe she can exist as is and function as a niche design that only excels in low damage/high durability metas. There’s nothing wrong with that either. However, Riot clearly isn’t falling out of favor with their obsession for damage, so yeah hf
: > [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-03-15T23:51:40.076+0000) > > She was definitely overbuffed and certainly melee champions don’t have the best compensation for their short range but many of them have several built in defensive steroids, CC, and mobility. Comparing vayne to melees just because vayne gets true damage is absurd. She’s designed to be a damage dealer and she dies instantly if something gets on top of her. im not just comparing vayne to melee champions. im comparing marksmen design to melee carry design in general. modern melee carries are designed around mechanics with kit inherent counterplay. be it aatrox crit zones, fioras vitals, garens villainy passive, darius bleed stacks other other mechanics that their opponets can play around. getting access to these mechanics is a reward for good play. those champions who arent, are among the most complained about when theyre strong, like jax or tryndamere, or pantheon. which mechanic in vaynes kit can you play around and outplay? what exactly justifies her having silver bolts just tacked onto her basic attacks, when melee champions are much more restricted in their access to these mechanics? champions who are already lower ranged than vayne and have less target access? the only possible mechanic to outplay is the stun on her e. the problem is that the same stun is attached to a direct target displacement that already tends to win her fights against almost every melee champion in the game. marksmen just get shit slapped on for free, and their kits are designed entirely without counterplay in mind. everything they have is 100% reliable. this is the problem with that whole class bar two or three exceptions. even kaisa as their newest addition has this problem, so it doesnt look like theyre applying the same design standarts to melee carries and ranged carries, and its honestly pissing me off how every ability in a melee carries kit has to be telegraphed and outplayable, and they dont give a shit if you can outplay marksmen or have to live with being outstatted by them.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T00:03:56.926+0000) > > im not just comparing vayne to melee champions. Yes you are > im comparing marksmen design to melee carry design in general. modern melee carries are designed around mechanics with kit inherent counterplay. be it aatrox crit zones, fioras vitals, garens villainy passive, darius bleed stacks other other mechanics that their opponets can play around. getting access to these mechanics is a reward for good play. Fiora’s Q prioritizes vitals so you often have to walk away and reset or beat you can do is stand by a wall, and even then there’s really no outplay potential. If she wants to proc them, she will. Garen’s passive also punishes people for doing well so they can’t technically outplay it. > those champions who arent, are among the most complained about when theyre strong, like jax or tryndamere, or pantheon. They are still melee and prone to being kited out and peeled, that’s the design behind their counter play. Is it old and dated? Yeah. But the concept of outplay does exist. > which mechanic in vaynes kit can you play around and outplay? what exactly justifies her having silver bolts just tacked onto her basic attacks, when melee champions are much more restricted in their access to these mechanics? champions who are already lower ranged than vayne and have less target access? Why do melee champions need to have %hp true damage? Just because? And it’s not “just tacked on,” it costs her one of her spells and she has to proc it. Shorter ranged champions like who? Graves? He has a huge defensive steroid. Vayne has no way to extend her range past 550 for damaging purposes. That’s it. And as such, she’s incredibly prone to being bursted. The reality is, you hate her because she beats melee champions straight up. That’s really what this is about honestly. But you’re ignoring the fact that she gets destroyed by assassins and mages. > the only possible mechanic to outplay is the stun on her e. the problem is that the same stun is attached to a direct target displacement that already tends to win her fights against almost every melee champion in the game. It wins her fights vs melee champions, not ranged champions. You aren’t being logical, you are just a melee player making your claims based on your biases. > marksmen just get shit slapped on for free, and their kits are designed entirely without counterplay in mind. everything they have is 100% reliable. this is the problem with that whole class bar two or three exceptions. While that is technically true, they are still the easiest class in the game to burst. They are the epitome of glass cannon, so this naturally makes their design very binary. Is that good? Probably not but they are the only class that can consistently keep tanks in check. You can hate that all you want but this game has existed for 10 years and this has been riots balancing philosophy. It’s very clear you’re simply anti-adc/melee biased and you shape your arguments around it. While you make decent points, they’re short-sighted and ignore the other side of the argument with no consideration of it. I play melee champions pretty strictly too but I try to be open-minded and understand that my biases can blind me. And this is the case with vayne, she actually has several weaknesses but when she kills you, it’s easy to see your death recap and scream about her %hp damage. But then you realize she gets stomped in most lanes (normally), that she can’t extend this short range (her stealth is too long atm tho), and she has no defensive steroids at all. She is the most prone ADC to being bursted down in an instant so her style of right clicking demands that she play with some give and take. I would take that sort of design any day over champions melting me from long range with little I can do to hope to break through a front line to get them.
: Well, you are in a extremly unpopular opinión there looking at the stats, ppl rather play against Jinx than against Vayne and it's not even close.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T21:50:45.515+0000) > > Well, you are in a extremly unpopular opinión there looking at the stats, ppl rather play against Jinx than against Vayne and it's not even close. *shrugs* Está bien conmigo, amigo ;p
: > [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-15T21:10:27.486+0000) > > Vanye is short ranged melee champions are short ranged. vayne has 550 auto attack range. these same melee champions have to fulfill special conditions that completely alter their gameplay to access the same kind of true damage mechanic that vayne just gets slapped onto her basic attacks. i dont see a world in which that is fair. the fact that vayne was buffed in the first place was wrong because she was already strong in the meta. the fact that she was severely overbuffed just to promote her prestige skin is intolerable. the moment their microtransaction system starts to influence game balance at all, no one should be ok with that.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-03-15T23:06:19.102+0000) > > melee champions are short ranged. vayne has 550 auto attack range. > > these same melee champions have to fulfill special conditions that completely alter their gameplay to access the same kind of true damage mechanic that vayne just gets slapped onto her basic attacks. i dont see a world in which that is fair. > > the fact that vayne was buffed in the first place was wrong because she was already strong in the meta. the fact that she was severely overbuffed just to promote her prestige skin is intolerable. > > the moment their microtransaction system starts to influence game balance at all, no one should be ok with that. She was definitely overbuffed and certainly melee champions don’t have the best compensation for their short range but many of them have several built in defensive steroids, CC, and mobility. Comparing vayne to melees just because vayne gets true damage is absurd. She’s designed to be a damage dealer and she dies instantly if something gets on top of her.
: >ther ADCs like Cait, **Jinx** Check Jinx soloQ stats and you'll laugh
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-15T21:32:19.431+0000) > > Check Jinx soloQ stats and you'll laugh Let me be clear though: I’m not saying these champions are op or anything, I just hate fighting them.
: Vanye is short ranged and she has to stick to a target to get that true damage in. So she's kinda fair to play against.
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-15T21:10:27.486+0000) > > Vanye is short ranged and she has to stick to a target to get that true damage in. So she's kinda fair to play against. Yeah I didn’t mention that she’s also entirely single target.
: > ryze/Annie/Sandra/Lissandra). Who is Sandra? :o
> [{quoted}](name=Laufplanke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-15T21:12:33.749+0000) > > Who is Sandra? :o Sandra Bullock
: It's like the difference between Master Yi and J4. Vayne's much weaker in coordinated play since her team just gets engaged on and the enemy team bursts her down - she can't really do anything against a coordinated engage without a summoner spell advantage. But against a disorganized team, she'll just auto the tank to death in front of their teammates, tumbling forward to finish them as their allies watch. She'll dual the fed assassin or diver in a side lane and win. And that feels fucking awful.
> [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-15T20:44:05.847+0000) > > It's like the difference between Master Yi and J4. Vayne's much weaker in coordinated play since her team just gets engaged on and the enemy team bursts her down - she can't really do anything against a coordinated engage without a summoner spell advantage. > > But against a disorganized team, she'll just auto the tank to death in front of their teammates, tumbling forward to finish them as their allies watch. She'll dual the fed assassin or diver in a side lane and win. And that feels fucking awful. She’s generally not even really all that powerful in “disorganized play” (let’s be honest, this is low elo). But right now she’s too strong and and has too many stats. Stats will help you overcome a lot of your weaknesses.
Moody P (NA)
: this post was paid for by vaynemains discord
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ilwFjvhk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-15T20:42:01.939+0000) > > this post was paid for by vaynemains discord Nah bro. I hate her 1v1 potential but by and large, her teamfight is not that great. Obviously she’s too good right now so that doesn’t matter - let’s face it, she’s bursting targets, not dpsing them down.
Rioter Comments
: nautilus can cancel summoning herald himself.
I disagree, I think it actually has incredible utility. If I saw a Naut do this, I’d spam /ff immediately. If this guy is willing to sink his own ship, imagine what he’s willing to do to me? Nah fam, get me out of here.
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=By9bVWs6,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-03-12T07:16:13.133+0000) > > Except he starts at 12% and it goes all the way up to 24%. Exactly why i said he needs 5% at 1-6 but apparently people don't do their research
> [{quoted}](name=General Matty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=By9bVWs6,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-12T11:21:36.248+0000) > > Exactly why i said he needs 5% at 1-6 but apparently people don't do their research You just gutted him, congrats
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: > [{quoted}](name=Quality Content,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ga0loH4x,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-09T08:32:49.469+0000) > > Holy shit Hash sounds like such an annoying person to try and have a conversation with. He has good points but he needs to learn to listen to the other side before responding.
> [{quoted}](name=5StackUltOneShot,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ga0loH4x,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-09T11:44:08.278+0000) > > He has good points but he needs to learn to listen to the other side before responding. I don’t mean to sound elitist when I say this, but it’s typically what you see from people who really don’t have a formal education past high school. They can be incredibly intelligent but often don’t have any sort of philosophical or scientific education that forces critical thinking, which includes listening to the other side and addressing their points specifically. Further, people like this tend to fall into really simplistic thinking without understanding what things mean (referring to stats in a vacuum, correlation equaling causation, talking over people, ignoring or failing to address points that shatter their arguments, cyclical logic, unfalsifiable claims, etc). I really didn’t appreciate this until I returned to university myself. It makes a big difference. Still, like I said - I think he’s a bright guy and he’s often times the only “voice” for top laners and he actually does a pretty good job of expressing our frustrations. That’s as far as I would go.
: Thoughts on Hashinshin and Riot blast's talk?
I made a thread about Hash and his points and basically, I tend to agree with his points but his ability to think critically is often overshadowed by his ranting and emotional engagement. He starts off good but then just breaks down to really erroneous thinking - in fact, Blast was trying to touch on that as Hash will often reference correlations as causation, and he will only explain things from one perspective while only framing his arguments under one light. Blast actually pointed all of this out, and this video probably cuts quite a bit out where Blast makes several points as well since this guy edits videos for Hashinshin. Like I said, Hash is a guy I take a lot of insight from as a player because he’s able to express the frustrations top laners have very well. Past that, I wouldn’t listen to his arguments too intently. Hes a bright guy, he just doesn’t really have education or a natural talent for arguing/discussing things in an empirical way.
: > [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=00030000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-07T17:01:45.795+0000) > > all of them, failing the course but teacher is letting me retake everything. am practicing trig integrals since the volume shit is just beyond me atm Well that’s nice of them instead of just letting you fail. Good luck on the retakes. trig integrals and derivatives were always fun for me. That the..multiple volume equations for rotating around an axis? I always struggled with keeping the equations straight though.
> [{quoted}](name=Iota Theta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=000300000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T17:26:09.271+0000) > > Well that’s nice of them instead of just letting you fail. Good luck on the retakes. > > trig integrals and derivatives were always fun for me. That the..multiple volume equations for rotating around an axis? I always struggled with keeping the equations straight though. Our universities math department is actually pretty good for that. Who is your professor @moody
: A lot of ppl here have helped me with english when I struggled. As a native spanish speaker I must do the same.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=00030000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:42:18.763+0000) > > A lot of ppl here have helped me with english when I struggled. > > As a native spanish speaker I must do the same. I appreciate it a ton, I really do. My Mexican friends never correct me lol.
Moody P (NA)
: bad, im using my study time terribly and i didnt even realize it would be break this week so I planned wrong anyhow. and my boss forced me to use my PTO before it expires so I can't even work for the next 5 days calculus is 2hard man
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:25:37.861+0000) > > bad, im using my study time terribly and i didnt even realize it would be break this week so I planned wrong anyhow. and my boss forced me to use my PTO before it expires so I can't even work for the next 5 days > > calculus is 2hard man I feel you, I’m so glad this is the last semester I have to take 5 classes + work full time. Ive used this break to build my office in the basement lol.
: > I don’t even mind these champions being top because diversity is a good thing. No, you do mind them being strong on Top and that's why you made this post. If you consider ranged toplaners a problem when they are meta I dont care about what you say, I will think that you dislike them being played on top. Not that I disagree with you, I also hate ranged toplaners and I'm begging for specially Vladimir and Jayce nerfs.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:21:24.737+0000) > > No, you do mind them being strong on Top and that's why you made this post. > > If you consider ranged toplaners a problem when they are meta I dont care about what you say, I will think that you dislike them being played on top. > > Not that I disagree with you, I also hate ranged toplaners and I'm begging for specially Vladimir and Jayce nerfs. Well I certainly do not enjoy them right now nor have I enjoyed any iteration of them. However, i have to be logically consistent. And in order to do that, I have to accept that they’re allowed to be viable in top lane - otherwise I’d be contradicting myself. That said, I don’t enjoy it, I just accept it/
: To be more accurate it would be: >(Mods we are friends, tranquilo**s**) Because you are using the plural.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:25:59.301+0000) > > To be more accurate it would be: > > Because you are using the plural. I really like you
Saianna (EUNE)
: Hanshin, the guy that changes his opinion everyday depending on what champion he plays or what champions wrecks him? Han playing X/Y/Z vs Riven and gets owned like little kid - RIVEN OP, how the fuck riot did leave her like that WTF?!!?!11 Next day Han playing as Riven and getting owned by X/Y/Z - WTF X/Y/Z OP, Riven so weak?! WTF Riot?! Why Riven so unplayable and weak?!?!11
> [{quoted}](name=Saianna,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:24:00.813+0000) > > Hanshin, the guy that changes his opinion everyday depending on what champion he plays or what champions wrecks him? Again, i am making it clear that he often falls victim to extreme thinking but that doesn’t make several of the points he makes and consistently makes less valid.
: Oh, we're going back to saying hashinshin is smart again? Time to take a break from the boards for a while.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:20:46.867+0000) > > Oh, we're going back to saying hashinshin is smart again? Time to take a break from the boards for a while. I don’t know what others say about him but I’ve always thought of him as a fairly intelligent dude. Like I said, he falls victim to some extreme thinking, but it’s nothing a few psychology/stat courses couldn’t fix xd
Moody P (NA)
: I wouldn't be surprised if they had nobody who plays top lane on their balance team. Have you seen how arbitrary base stats are between juggernauts and divers?
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:17:00.282+0000) > > I wouldn't be surprised if they had nobody who plays top lane on their balance team. Have you seen how arbitrary base stats are between juggernauts and divers? ya indeed How’s your spring break fucker? (Mods we are friends, tranquillo)
: He does, that's why he has been saying for a while that mage items are busted. Then Riot realized that Morello was broken and nerfed it + the orb. And more are about to come.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:17:18.518+0000) > > He does, that's why he has been saying for a while that mage items are busted. > > Then Riot realized that Morello was broken and nerfed it + the orb. > > And more are about to come. Gonna be honest, I’ve been saying mages and mage itemization get disproportionate favoritism for years. And I’ve maintained that mage itemization is ridiculous and most superior and I just get downvoted into oblivion because a bronze 2 player lost to zed xd. So I just stopped arguing about it - no point in concusing myself further.
: Honestly, I don't even play top lane but think ranged champions need to gtfo of there
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:09:41.593+0000) > > Honestly, I don't even play top lane but think ranged champions need to gtfo of there That’s the thing - ranged champions CAN exist in top lane and the game can still be balanced. But, Riot needs to tone down the effectiveness of ranged champions over melee champions for this to work, and not by simply over-stating melees or by giving them newer, higher-end mechanics because this just power creeps most melees out while only a few feast. But they don’t see this as a big enough problem to attempt to actually fix it. And that’s why you have salty 30 year old faux-neckbeard top laners like me.
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OgSc (NA)
: A qss mid/late is gunna be worthless when he's gunna get the wither back up in 3 seconds.
> [{quoted}](name=OgSc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEdW620q,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-03-06T20:03:51.102+0000) > > A qss mid/late is gunna be worthless when he's gunna get the wither back up in 3 seconds. Depends on which carry it is, and this only applies to 1v1 situations. It’s not even necessary in team fights.
: Nasus Needs A Change
This isn’t really new though. It’s always existed and it’s actually the weakest it’s ever been because wither has been nerfed a bunch, and in addition he doesn’t max W second anymore. E max second is pretty necessary in order to actually shove waves. So this doesn’t usually occur until later in the game. Back in the day, you almost always maxed W second and arrived to this state much sooner.
: HD, crit marksmen are stat checkers. Horrible ones that should not have been left to fester in the foundation of this game for this long, to be exact. The whole reason why marksmen have an issue sharing a lane with anyone else is because they're objectively powerful with too little meaningful influence on the game's outcome outside of just being superior by stats. Who cares if they kite? Nasus still has to CHASE, right? Same shit. They're stil stat checkers. All of them. Marksmen like Lucian and Ezreal aren't *as* bad and that's probably why Riot's not super itchy to take them out of the meta so Caitlyn and her 650 no-scope ass can jump back in to ruin solo queue for everyone.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RNcnxnK8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-06T05:23:15.858+0000) > > HD, crit marksmen are stat checkers. Horrible ones that should not have been left to fester in the foundation of this game for this long, to be exact. > > The whole reason why marksmen have an issue sharing a lane with anyone else is because they're objectively powerful with too little meaningful influence on the game's outcome outside of just being superior by stats. Who cares if they kite? Nasus still has to CHASE, right? Same shit. They're stil stat checkers. All of them. Marksmen like Lucian and Ezreal aren't *as* bad and that's probably why Riot's not super itchy to take them out of the meta so Caitlyn and her 650 no-scope ass can jump back in to ruin solo queue for everyone. But with this logic, everything is a stat checker. You’re ignoring the important gameplay that comes with their kits. Yes, there are obviously some ADCs that are much better designed than others. And certainly, crit has its flaws. But to ignore ADC gameplay and simply brush it off as stat-checking is a bit asinine. I don’t deny that they aren’t or haven’t been overpowered for but they do have gameplay that riot, for better or worse, has structured their game around.
: Crit based ADC's for the most part are stat checks. Crit items good = crit adc's good. Crit itmes bad = crit adc's bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RNcnxnK8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-06T04:15:58.406+0000) > > Crit based ADC's for the most part are stat checks. Crit items good = crit adc's good. Crit itmes bad = crit adc's bad. The concept of damage vs durability is stat checking and if we are to go by that logic alone, then literally everything in this game is stat checking because every value of a concept is done so through statistical measurement and application. In other words, merely pointing out a stat and saying “hey this is stat checking!!” just isn’t valid, because everything is constructed by an interaction of statistics in this game - it’s how they’re applied that matters. And although ADCs do right click for their damage, the interaction of kiting for retreating and orbwalking when chasing is incredibly mechanically intensive. Like i said, you definitely notice when you’ve got an adc that can’t do it well, but you’ll never notice if you’ve got a maokai that doesn’t know how to W - it’s because there’s not much mechanical execution in maokais kit, it’s about understanding zoning and when to engage. And while that’s not mechanically hard, knowing all the different situations and how to do it certainly isn’t easy. And that is necessary. And it’s why the idea of simply shaming stat checkers for stat checking is a bit absurd.
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: Story behind your league names?
My name was once hatred because I was in a doom clan called [SIN] and it had to be a SIN or related. Many years later I became a dad. And I kept getting called Hate or Daddy and eventually I just combined them. So no, I do not have daddy issues. I am, in fact, your daddy.
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CLG ear (NA)
: i dont get the point if other ppl can't post in the threads
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bh0k2UEc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:55:46.176+0000) > > i dont get the point if other ppl can't post in the threads Yeah I think the idea is just for people to get out their toxicity and not allow it to turn into a flamefest. While I totally support and endorse this idea, I doubt Riot does lol
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bh0k2UEc,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:48:30.685+0000) > > I can understand people being appalled. Personally I find rage hilarious so none of this bothers me at all. I’m not appalled really just a good showcase on why more Rioters don’t visit.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bh0k2UEc,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:50:01.932+0000) > > I’m not appalled really just a good showcase on why more Rioters don’t visit. Yeah but better there than on actual boards with traffic
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Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bh0k2UEc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:43:24.009+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant Oh, oh no
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bh0k2UEc,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:46:45.891+0000) > > Oh, oh no I can understand people being appalled. Personally I find rage hilarious so none of this bothers me at all.
Jamaree (NA)
: Rant board, what I miss?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bh0k2UEc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:35:19.376+0000) > > Rant board, what I miss? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant
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: Veigar. VEIGAR.
Veigar is a dude lol
: I agree.
> [{quoted}](name=thefourtysn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RX1b4RQN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-04T18:44:50.406+0000) > > I agree. There’s things I didn’t even go into great depth about either. Like one thing nasus has taught me that has translated well to every champion I play is understanding ranged vs melee match-ups. Nasus can’t instantly jump on enemies so you have to understand when trades are and are not favorable in ranged match-ups. When you think about it, nasus is offers so much good to this game. Simple champions like Nasus, Garen, etc. don’t get enough credit for this.
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