: No, even if you don't think people getting flamed **should** hurt their gameplay, doesn't mean it **won't**. A lot of players will play worse or even troll, afk, int, etc. if they're called out for playing poorly, and Riot doesn't want you indirectly potentially encouraging that behavior. Either keep it to positive re-enforcement or don't say anything.
Oh yes and if someone gets a bruised ego and decides they want to go out of thier way to "punish" the team for not bending over to kiss thier ass, you should be sure to thank them for intentionlly throwing the match. Because telling them they are acting like an entitled douche might further hurt thier fragile ego. Sorry but this while this gen z is utterly pathetic, wrapped up in thier "Im a special snowflake" blanket of bubble-wrap and ass-pats. An attitude of "I can do no wrong" and these people feel its perfectly acceptable to intentionally throw the match because thier team "doesnt deserve the win"
: Seems cool
Thats why I have NO respect for ranked, NO respect for this community Its been watered down and bubble-wrapped into a Preschool full of toddlers wrapped up in thier own self importance. Just got out of a match where I didnt feel the need to leash my jungler {{champion:64}} (lux was already there, he was expecting BOTH botlaners) so he greifed and "not helping bot lane" He would even go so far as to ping "On my way" on bot lane, then stop, type "oh wait. Nvm" then head to mid or top lane in order to "punish" bot lane for not leashing him. Of course we almost won, but he was too busy going for strikeback on his teammates. Yeah this community has become hyper-sensitive toddlers with overinflated egos, they all think they are "faker in disguise" They arent even interested in actually WINNING as long as they can boast about having "most kills"...I mean they think throwing YOUR OWN kda back at you is some debate-ending "gotcha" My team was throwing and dropping everything to go chase any kill that showed up. I suggested "We need to take towers, not chase kills" the response I got was "stfu ur 2/7" (the 7 deaths were from the 2 towers I had already taken down, mids outer towers and top/bot inner towers still stood. So my suggestion to take towers was dismissed because....I didnt have as many kills as my team, despite having taken down 2 towers already. But you arent allowed to tell these people to actually give thier head a shake because you are "Ruining their experience", even as they ruin games by treating ranked like a TDM. But they think that me playing off meta jhin supp is more troll than them actively throwing the match so they can fight over kills and cry about "ks"
: better yet, say nothing at all, because the game is filled with gen z's who think just for connecting to the game they're gonna get a participation trophy so they automatically take anything you say the wrong way. cuz it's not like we're all trying to win or anything amirite
Sadly you cant even point out the obvious with these people "you dont win if you dont take towers" without them turning around and using your kda, spitting it back at you to dismiss you. They could sit around farming an 18/2 kda, while All 3 outer towers stand untouched 20 minutes in (meanwhile enemy is knocking on your base towers) and if you dare suggest "hey you need to start taking towers" they will respond with "Stfu ur 0/2 (or whatever your current kda is, they favor negative kdas)" in order to completely dismiss you so they can go back to chasing the next kill to show up. These people dont even want to win. If they can farm kills without touching towers, they dont mind throwing the match.
: I mean, playing Singed is not an excuse to go 0/20?
It is if: A) Team is too self-centered to actually try and HELP him. or B) the enemy team is smart enough to know to FOCUS him. Thus keeping him in respawn. Alot of the season 9 players are Snowflakes who are only concerned with "bubble-wrapping" thier kda. Their team doesnt even register to them unless they want someone to throw under the bus. This season its getting to where EVERYTHING is inting. Had a game where a jungler Ignored the enemy kha-zix, let him free roam. Then started claiming the players were "inting" when the enemy Kha got fed to the point they could 1-shot us instantly. And what did our jungler do? Nothing, just resorted to calling for reports on players for "inting" So I ignore claims of "inting" because these players are too self-centered and snowflake-oriented to actually think, they just call everything "inting" and wash thier hands of it like its some sort of catch-all label.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: I hate to break it to you but if you get toxic when things don't magically go your way every single time then you're the weak one. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Sadly this whole community has become these frail little toddlers. The moment the game doesnt go thier way, and the whole team isnt blowing kudos and rainbows up thier ass They grind the game to a halt so they can stomp thier feet and cry about how everyone is "Trolling" them (basically watered down to "X player isnt doing what I say, so they are trollling") This is why I hate this community, the constant disgusting displays of "Play how I want...OR ELSE!" and they brand the report system like a bludgeon to beat thier teammates over the head with it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QRQvEoTn,comment-id=00000000000100000002000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T00:02:46.651+0000) > > [DELETED CONTENT REMOVED - ULANOPO] Not sure what level has to do with reiterating Riot's position concerning roles... other then making it blantingly obvious you have no counter points.
I actually just got out of a match where MY ADC... Threatened to have me "SWATTED" over killing minions "Honestly ur getting swatted later >insert long string of explitives<" This is what season 9 has come to, adcs unable to adapt so think they are free to threaten to get "Trolls" (aka anyone not giving them ALL the CS) Swatted. And yes I reported Both in client as well as submitted a ticket. But this is really fking petty if this is gonna become the new norm.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QRQvEoTn,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-21T22:22:50.784+0000) > > Well, yeah, because you’re abandoning your lane. > > The support is the bot lane supporting champion. That does not say “the support does not take any farm”. The ADC **does. not. own. the. farm.** > > And they can group report all they want - you don’t get punished for being reported a lot. You get punished if you break the rules - no matter one reports or 9 reports. Okay, so in what sense are they supporting? They're taking the farm, not warding, not healing, not CC'ing for you. What are they doing that is supporting? Their role is SUPPORT, right?
as a support, I have had MANY cases where I bust my ass with heals, have all my healing and crowd control on cooldown, at one point had a lucian adc, I kept him alive and healthy enough to actually help him score a triple kill and for my effort? for blowing all my crowd control and heals to ensure he survive? what do I get? Immediately he turns around and dismisses any participation I had in the fight, goes on about how "useless support" I was, and how the triple kill was "All me" in his own words. So yeah, as a support I can blow everything, wards and heals, CC, utility...and that is completely ignored and dismissed (so much for the whole "support is the most important member of the team" quote) But the moment I kill ONE minion, The shit hits the fan and everyone is constantly going off and making sure i know how "hard we are going to report you" and "Make sure support loses thier account. We all agree we are reporting, right??" And as for "SUPPORT", Yes. The role is Support....FOR THE TEAM! Supports job is to help keep the TEAM alive, and is NOT the adcs personal verbal Punching bag/scapegoat combo (with optional cup-holders) The support's job is to ensure the team is kept alive and healthy, Not adc exclusive. Thats why If the adc acts like an entitled ass, I WILL go support other lanes, there are 2 other lanes I can help get ahead. IMHO, If there is only enough room in bot lane for ADC....and ADCs EGO, I am happy to call thier bluff and leave it to them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Odeldymaru,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QRQvEoTn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-21T21:59:06.609+0000) > > How is that not a troll thing to do? I can guarantee you that If I queued up as mid and followed the jungler around taking his farm, I would be reported and likely banned. It tilts the entire team and it is unsportsmanlike. Why even assign roles if they can do whatever they want. How is a support purposely using abilities to tilt you and starve you from gold SUPPORTING in any sense? To be frank some supports, myself included, have had some rather toxic ADC’s as their lane partner in the past. Some of those same supports may have been left with such a sour taste in their mouth from the experience that they simply do not care about letting the adc have the cs Botlane. I used to be the same way back in season 2, when Supports were basically walking ward droppers, never had enough gold to buy more wards and was still yelled at by my adc for not dropping wards.
I have had A Draven adc throw a tantrum and quit the match over me (as support) having 3cs. I Q'ed and a couple minions got executed int he proccess, so draven throws a big tantrum and quits the match...well...he spent the entire game hurling insults at me about how much I suck as an adc when I am trying to defend bot lane 1v2 as a soraka. and just got out of a match because My adc threw a tantrum over me taking minions, so as punishment he hid behind the tower and intentionally watched as the enemy 1v2 me, Then turns around and pulls a "FF @ 15" when they get first blood. So Yeah, I have no interest in sitting back and letting fragile snowflakes who crumble at the first sign of a challenge have free monopoly over CS. You want farm? Learn to last hit and take it from me, otherwise shut up and adapt. ADCs have spent every season so far that THEY are the only ones that matter in the game, the other 4 players are just there to be witnesses to -their- glory. Not me, IDGAF about how "special' the adc thinks they are. I am there to try and win, not coddle the adc with ass-pats and rainbows. If you couldnt tell, I am not just sour about adcs, I downright despise the egotistical narcissists they have become, wrapped up in their own grand self-importance. And I have yet to see an adc show me anything other than that.
atorelle (NA)
: Don't Blame The Support and the Jungler For Losing Your Game. Here's Why -
Another thing that irritates me (as a support main) is when ADC runs after an enemy and completely ignores me pinging and running behind them. They get killed and then turn around "OMG WTF where was my support, so Fking useless" You know where your support was? BACK WHERE YOU LEFT THEM. As a support: I CANT HEAL YOU IF YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM ME Dont run away from me and leave me in the dust, then blame me when you die because rather than head -towards- me, you run away and force me to chase you across the entire map, praying that I get in range close enough to hopefully be able to heal you.
: From https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/1vAJ49LE-tired-of-the-its-just-a-game-excuse > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1vAJ49LE,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-14T09:06:48.793+0000) > And I As a support main am quit happy to abandon dead weight players. No heal, no support. These players arent interested in destroying the nexus, they wan to waste 40 minutes so they can farm 100 minions and 40 kills while completely ignoring towers. From https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RIrj6sUv-i-have-given-up-on-trying-to-win-my-matches-with-this-community?show=flat&page=2 with the title, "I have given up on trying to win my matches with this community." > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RIrj6sUv,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-02T12:07:14.201+0000) > So Yeah, Not really trying to win anymore. I dont have enough energy to waste on kids who prefer "My kills" to "team win" > Enjoy the losses, kda players. You earn every one of them. Sounds like you're also filling a stereotype that ADC players hate to have as a support. Those support players that intentionally stop helping when they feel like you're not doing XYZ enough.
Sorry, My job as a support is to help the team when they want to WIN. I am not here to provide a steady flow of ass-pats and ego-fluff to someone who wants to sit around for 40 minutes farming kills and an expecting a "GJ, OMG ur so amazing" after every single one. My job is to keep the team alive as they progress through the towers, supporting them to help them win the match. If it hits 40 minutes, you have double digit kills, 3 full items, and can easily 1-shot enemies to amass praise from the other teammates. If after all that you still have no interest in taking out any of the 6 towers that are still standing untouched, I am wasting my time with you. You arent trying to win, you are just farming untill one side gets bored/frustrated enough and surrenders. so Yeah, again. I am here to support the team, not be the adcs personal fountain-o-praise everytime they tie their shoelaces properly.
Jo0o (NA)
: You never run out of excuses, do you? Sure, matchmaking can have issues, but why would matchmaking disproportionately disadvantage you? Why aren't you getting as many free wins as unavoidable losses? Are there other Iron players enjoying 90% win rates at your expense? Do you think I'm only higher rank than you due to dumb luck of teammates? Your logic doesn't hold water, I'm sorry. You're welcome to ignore my replies to your threads, but I feel compelled to continue making them. For all the faults of the PB boards, I think there's still something of value to be gained by them, and you degrade the integrity here by consistently demanding sympathy for imagined slights. You've been doing this for _years_ without the introspection that maybe, just maybe, your consistent poor experiences are your own doing.
Integrity? You have people wanting players banned because "X player chose a champ I had selected before me, BAN THEM" or Ban players for griefing by stealing kills" This board has no integrity left. And no, these arent Imagined slights. But you seem to see yourself as royalty, above us petty commoners. So it really doesnt suprise me And maybe I have been doing this for years because this community has been steadily DECLINING for years. Getting worse and worse, but people like you come along and use someone's rank/KDA/Build as a means to dismiss ANYTHING they have to say So Yeah. Kindly keep your nose out of my threads if you have such a problem with me. I am not expecting you to agree with me, But I am not gonna let you come in and continuously talk down to me because I dont build according to your "rules of proper meta enforcement" I have my own build paths, My own strategies. I am open to ideas to incorperate into my ideas, but I am not gonna let some self-important know-it-all dictate to me "yeah your playstyle isnt how everyone else plays, we are gonna need you to abandon any notion of individuality and play 'proper' meta, Your playstyle doesnt meet our "optimal' standards"
Jo0o (NA)
: Okay, as I said above, I frequently go off-meta myself. The difference between us, again as I said above, is that I can demonstrate the results of such choices. WHY did your ADC call you useless? Was it simply a knee-jerk reaction to your build, or was it because he observed you failing to positively impact the game? >When I can pull my Adc from sure death, Have Ult, {{summoner:7}} and W all on cooldown so I keep my adc alive, and the thanks I get is being told how "useless as fuck" I am. You defend your value to your team through standard Soraka plays, yet none of these actions are in any way supported by the build you used. Hell, you even have straightforward antisynergy within your own builds: the Relic Shield line requires you to effectively and consistently last-hit minions, particularly cannon minions, but you're building crit and therefore adding more variation to the damage you deal to minions. Furthermore, you're incorrect in your assumption that I somehow think I'm the "sole arbiter" in correct builds. I'm not. I am, however, a better player than you. That's not a brag, that's just demonstrable fact due to you being bronze/iron and me being gold. Gold isn't particularly high, but I'm quite confident that higher-ranked players will agree with me on this one. Why do you think you, several rank tiers below me and other frequent board contributors, know better champion builds than we do? Where is YOUR confidence coming from?
> Gold isn't particularly high, but I'm quite confident that higher-ranked players will agree with me on this one. Good for you, want a cookie? Sorry But your "Im gold ur iron, therefor bad" excuse doesnt fly with me. You know full well how shitcan the matchmaking is. How all you need is ONE person to throw a tantrum and quit, how easy it is for this spoiled, entitled preschool of a community to drop everything at the slightest glint that they dont get thier way. So Sorry but flashing your "Ranked" teir at me is the equivelant of showing me you got a gold "good boy" sticker. And yeah, I am sure they may know better. But regardless you seem to routinely dismiss me simply because I found a play style that works for me, something that I am happy with, something that I feel I am most effective with. But No, people like you come along and feel THEY get to decide FOR ME what THEY decide is "viable" or "Optimal". I get no say in it because "insert rank here" Again, Take that crap elsewhere. I have different priorities, I have a different playstyle than you. > WHY did your ADC call you useless? Was it simply a knee-jerk reaction to your build, or was it because he observed you failing to positively impact the game? Gee I dunno, why does every egotistical, self-centered, narcissistic ADC let thier support save them, pull them out of a 3 man dive in one piece, then turn around and dismiss thier efforts by telling them how "useless as fuck" they are. If I had let him die, been unable to save him, HE STILL would have labeled me "useless as fuck" Because its not enough I just kept him alive, He likely expected me to bring him back up to full health, get him a triple-kill while coding the game to make soraka sing "I'm a little teapot...." for his entertainment. I blew everything to help keep him alive through the constant damage, stuns, crowd control, and everything else they threw at him. And then you come in and try and use my build as some sort of validation "Well if he called you useless, maybe you deserved it" GTFO of here with that. I am done wasting my time with you, If I could block you from my threads, I would. Take your "holier than thou" attitude elsewhere, Mr. gold!
: hink I will start letting my adcs die till they realise how important support actally is. Thats not greifing, thats just being selective about how and when I choose to save them sinse I am gonna be labeled useless anyways. Nah you're just griefing. Worry about you and do your job or don't claim to be a support. It doesn't matter how the adc talks or how your team talks, people get angry because they want to win, get your ego aside and do what's best for the team. I do , what's your excuse?
I dont care about getting ass pats and praise as a support, But its different when I can blow everything to pull my adc out of a fight and they turn around unprovoked and insist on telling me how "useless as fuck" I am while all my heals and summoners are still on cooldown to keep them from dying. Or worse yet they can stand right next to me and see me get slowed to a standstill, 3v1'ed. They can watch me try (and fail) to get away but they wont lift a finger to help. But they are all too eager to turn around and report you for "inting" And Iknow "false reports get tossed out" but if they are that eager to sacrifice teammates for thier own end then there is no way to win. Cant do whats best for a team if you cant trust them. I dont care about praise or whatever, But I refuse to be used as some scapegoat or false-flagged as an inter or something just to soothe someone else's bruised ego.
Kei143 (NA)
: lol ... how can they be next faker when they don't even realise their support has roamed away for long time.
Alot of these people think they are "too good for this team" they are under the impression that they dont NEED a team. They will call KS on any teammate who tries to come help. Anyone who dies is labeled a troll. They think they can 1v5...and if they die...its the supp/jungles fault.... Again its the attitude of "Im the solo carry, I dont need a team. I am god's gift to league"
Jo0o (NA)
: Support is often a thankless role. You have our sympathy there. However, you earn no thanks because you aren't playing Soraka in a useful fashion. By building AD, crit, and attack speed items (and not even the AP support item), your heals offer negligible impact on the game. A quick glance at your current account's match history indicates that most of your damage is still magical and your heal numbers are low... so are you, in fact, useful? You love claiming that your builds are in support of your play style, which is a fine sentiment, but in reality what are you really accomplishing? Ultimately, it's clear to any experienced player that you're not playing Soraka at anywhere near her full potential. That doesn't give your ADC the right to flame you. But if you're constantly being flamed for not pulling your weight, the logical solution is to pull your weight and earn the respect of your teammates, not troll them. Edit: While I'm here, I count several recent games in your current account's match history where you've clearly maliciously AFK'd for one reason or another. Your ADC flaming you is a good reason to mute and report them, not to troll your entire team. You'll get no sympathy from these boards when you blatantly troll like this. Edit 2: And before you start giving me crap for my adherence to the meta, please note that I've basically been one-tricking Swain Support for most of my games for the past several months. I don't give a shit about meta, I do what I think works. Difference between us is, I'm making an informed and calculated decision, and I can demonstrate a good win rate in doing so.
AS I tell everyone else who spews this "build proper" bullshit. It is Not YOUR place to dictate to ME what is viable or not viable. YOU are welcome to have your opinion, but it is not your place to tell me what I can and cannot build according to "meta" just because YOU dont see the viability of it. MY particular playstyle and priority means that something that may work for ME, will not work for anyone else. Just as something that works for everyone ELSE may not work for me. Why? Because I AM NOT EVERYONE ELSE. My personality, My priorities, My style of play (Poke-heavy, mobile, a "Death by 1000 papercuts" style) are not something you or anyone else can beat out of me to get me to play just the same and robotic as everyone else. Just because its not "optimal" in your opinion does not give you the right to dismiss and disregard anything I have to say because I am not "playing at her full potential" and again, its not YOUR place to dictate what her "Full potential", this is just you dismissing me because I dont build according to YOUR rules of "proper meta" "play a proper meta" "build proper items" "play according to proper support rules" You seem to go on as if you are the SOLE arbiter of what is or isnt allowed, what is and isnt optimal. Who cares about personal choice or individuality, people like you are here to beat players over the head. If thats all you have then please GTFO and dont waste your time on my threads, I am tired of you coming in and trying to dismiss and disregard my points on the basis of "You didnt build what I build, You didnt build what -I- deem as "optimal" so you dont have a right to say anything" Once again, dont waste both our time when your only interest is to throw pitchforks and torches around because I am not adhering to "build like everyone else". I find viability in things that work with MY particular playstyle, things YOU may not. YOU do not get to decide who is and isnt allowed to voice an opinion just because they dont fit a checkmark in your list of boxes. Take your "Meta or troll" bullshit out of here. It doesnt affect me. all you do is water down the term. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MWnpkR3Y,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-02-18T11:37:51.199+0000) > he started calling shit-talking me, even his own team came back with "twitch,you got your ass handed to you by soraka, sit down and shut up" > {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
Yeah a {{champion:29}} getting beat by a {{champion:16}} in a 1v1, then being shut down by his own team like "go back to the corner and think about what you've done!" The Shame.... THE SHAAAAAAAAAME........!!!!! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Saezio (EUNE)
: Meanwhile you have 0 games with Soraka with Heal
why do you think I would actually show my match history to a community eager to dismiss someone who doesnt play like everyone else "You arent playing meta therefore anything you say is dismissed"
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MWnpkR3Y,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-18T11:41:58.174+0000) > > I dont exagerate. > To this day the player still flames be because THEY lost a game where THEY chose to stop playing in favor of beating me over the head over not building the "proper" support items in the "proper" order. > There is an increasing number of Meta Puritans who care more about enforcing "proper meta" than actually playing. > These are the same people who will tell you "play a proper mid/supp/adc/jg/etc" or spend the entire game telling you "You cant build X on......" and just will not let it go, because "meta" That guy flames you? Block him then, come on. You know how this works.
Oh its easy to block them, Not so much when they stop the game entirely to badger you. When they will intentionally stand off to the side and let the enemy have the tower because Me choosing a Dorans ring as a 1st item instead of a "proper support item" means the game is over and I am intentionally trolling. When they will sit back and allow me to get 1v2'ed while they stand next to me and watch because THEY personally dont -approve- of my selection.
Barso55 (NA)
: 3 primary reasons - 1) To get kills, carry, etc 2) Too passive a playstyle unless you are a poke support 3) Lowest influence on the game if your teammates are incompetent. and a distant fourth - being worth as much gold as your teammates to the enemy team but being unable to protect yourself unless your teammates are around/are competent.
I am quite able to defend myself for the most part as a soraka solo. I can keep them as close or as far away as I want most times. Its when they 4v1 me that there becomes a problem
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MWnpkR3Y,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-02-18T11:24:36.376+0000) > > I stopped caring about the precous "meta" a long time ago. To me its just something mindless sheep use to bludgeon thier teammates over the head with. > I have lost games that could have been won because rather than just playing, people were too busy beating me over the head for not building "proper" according to "meta" > "Thats not a proper support item" > As a support I chose to build a dorans ring first, Then I choose my item based on my opponents. > {{item:3303}} - Offensive support > {{item:3307}} - heal assist/gold funnel > {{item:3304}} - Movement/gold income > > I have my own reasons for building my items, I adapt to my enemy. But people will grind the game to a halt so they can sit there and browbeat me over not buildin "meta" items, "proper" items in the "proper order"...And thus games are lost because teammates would rather badger, browbeat, and micromanage thier entire team instead of PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME. All because someone has a different buildpath that doesnt fall into what "Everyone else builds" or "what you are supposed to build" > > #fuckyourmeta Really? Because most of my opponents start with doran's, sometimes they are ignoring the gold item for the whole game. And they don't get flamed. Myself, i take gold items first, but only because sightstone does not exist anymore, and i want my wards as soon as possible. That doesn't stop me from building what i want, and i rarely get shat on, even if i went a weird path. It's mostly because i save their assess, but still. Are you exaggerating your experiences again?
I dont exagerate. To this day the player still flames be because THEY lost a game where THEY chose to stop playing in favor of beating me over the head over not building the "proper" support items in the "proper" order. There is an increasing number of Meta Puritans who care more about enforcing "proper meta" than actually playing. These are the same people who will tell you "play a proper mid/supp/adc/jg/etc" or spend the entire game telling you "You cant build X on......" and just will not let it go, because "meta"
Kei143 (NA)
: Btw dashy, do you know how to trade with the enemy during laning phase? Soraka is like one of the best harassers in low ELO.
Actually yeah, I have been playing with soraka long enough I can lure them to chase me and casualy rip chunks out of thier health bar untill they finally give up. I will let a master yi chase me, all the while ripping chunks out of him till he finally loses enough health and gives up.....or dies when I drop an E-Q combo on him. Funniest thing I remember, is getting into a 1v1 with a twitch....I beat him so he started calling shit-talking me, even his own team came back with "twitch,you got your ass handed to you by soraka, sit down and shut up" I LoL'ed so hard
deathgod5 (EUW)
: > Think I will start letting my adcs die till they realise how important support actally is. Thats not greifing, thats just being selective about how and when I choose to save them sinse I am gonna be labeled useless anyways. Please don't do this to other ADC's, they didn't flame you, this Lucian did.
If they have the exact same mindset and attitude as the lucian, Yeah, I will. I am a support, intended to keep the team alive I am not the scapegoat Not the punching bag NOT THE LANE SLAVE. Not someone you can throw under the bus when you need someone to dump all the blame on. If they have the same attitude as lucian, they will get the same treatment.
Néékö (NA)
: I'd rather support than anything... trying to outplay ppl in bust 1hit meta is fun. If adc have that luciens attitude I'd go support a diff lane, the adc will sink or swim. But bash a raka for that play you described than he doesn't get anymore heals outside of r.
Its funny because I am quite happy to call my adcs bluff. I mean I had a game a long time ago where I helped an adc (coincidentally ALSO a lucian) score a triple kill. I was playing soraka, I cc'ed the enemy, kept pumping heals into him, auto the enemy to leash them down. and In the end, he did the same thing, telling me how "useless support" I was and how the triple kill was "all me" in his own words. But yeah, If my adc starts running off at the mouth about how "useless support. I dont need any trash support.." etc.... I will call thier bluff I WILL walk. And yet the moment they die to a 2v1, they instantly fall back on "Wtf, were is my support" or "OMFG report support for abandoning role" Nah, I am not abandoning role, I am abandoning a loudmouth egotist who thinks they are too good. Reality comes in with a hammer to the jaw. You ARENT as OP AS YOU THINK YOU ARE. You are NOT the next "Faker" Yeah, I will walk, if there is only enough room for adc and thier overinflated ego, I am happy to let their ego support them...I certainly wont.
Awf Meta (NA)
: Support is what you make it. I think people are too afraid to experiment because they are getting threatened all the time regardless if they follow meta.
I stopped caring about the precous "meta" a long time ago. To me its just something mindless sheep use to bludgeon thier teammates over the head with. I have lost games that could have been won because rather than just playing, people were too busy beating me over the head for not building "proper" according to "meta" "Thats not a proper support item" As a support I chose to build a dorans ring first, Then I choose my item based on my opponents. {{item:3303}} - Offensive support {{item:3307}} - heal assist/gold funnel {{item:3304}} - Movement/gold income I have my own reasons for building my items, I adapt to my enemy. But people will grind the game to a halt so they can sit there and browbeat me over not buildin "meta" items, "proper" items in the "proper order"...And thus games are lost because teammates would rather badger, browbeat, and micromanage thier entire team instead of PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME. All because someone has a different buildpath that doesnt fall into what "Everyone else builds" or "what you are supposed to build" #fuckyourmeta
Madjack01 (EUW)
: Well, you still have four other mates which you can give all your attention to after the laning phase. Then you get to watch your adc fail miserably while trying to solo farm. “Why you leave me alone, fcking supp? Report for inting.“ “Oh? I thought I was useless to you?“ Nah kidding aside, I think playing support is for people who stand more firmly in their shoes. I don't need validation from my team. I know when I've done well and when I screwed up. That's why I don't care so much about other people's ramblings. There is nothing sweeter than doing your job and seeing your team mates flourish and make plays because **you** enabled them to do so. It's like watching your kids grow and do well after you've been their backbone all this time. Even if they took it for granted the entire time, the little shits (Forgive me the silly analogy, but such are the joys of supporting).
Actually I did that last game, and I use that exact reason. I went to support top lane. If I am really so useless to My adc Lucian after blowing EVERYTHING to pull him out of a 3-man dive in one piece, ensuring he survives. I went to support top, and yeah, He pulled the "wtf, where is my support" shit. however even my teammates were telling me 'go back and supp lucian" No, If Botlane is only big enough for HIM and HIS EGO, If I can blow everything and still get shit on. Not interested. And Yeah,I personally wouldnt care if I DIDNT get any aknowledgement. I am not out looking for ass-pats, but its different when i can blow everything into cooldown timers to pull my teammate out alive and the FIRST thing out of thier mouth is "You are useless as fuck"
Rioter Comments
: Imagine being right with double digit downvotes
They downvote to punish me because as much as they hate to admit it, there is truth to what I say and it hurts. So they downvote
Sobx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TrulyBland,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1vAJ49LE,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-02-14T19:33:42.167+0000) > > Fun fact, there is a somewhat dated yet popular meme that features a **professional** ice hockey player saying "It's only game... why you have to be so mad?" in relation to people being mad about some kind of decision (it's been too long to recall what exactly this was all about). > > So that statement wasn't just about a competitive sport, for all intents and purposes that statement was about the player's actual **job**. There's no doubt that he's going to take the sport itself seriously. > > There is absolutely merit to say "It's just a game". Not as an excuse, but simply as an appeal to people to see things in the proper perspective when they get worked up to a degree that is simply disproportionate to what has actually happened. That's really irrelevant here (like you just admitted, you literally don't know the context) and the guy was joking btw. It wasn't even his natural voice, but I get it that it's just easier to blindly repeat something to pretend you "have a point". Facts here are that even riot repeated that the players have to "play to win". Saying that "I'm not even trying" or "whatever, just a game" is literally breaking this rather simple rule.
Yes, the fact is that the game has an objective, to play to win. And there are people who have NO interest in playing the objective, they have NO interest in going after the nexus. Their only interest is to casually farm kills and minions as if it is some sort of "endless mode" and if you suggest that they actually take part and play the game, that you actually help going for objectives to meet the goal of the game (to try and win), then they use "relax its just a game" as a means to dismiss you and your arguement so they can go back to casually farming stats. I UNDERSTAND its just a game, I UNDERSTAND the point is to have fun. But you can still have fun and relax while TRYING TO WIN. As long as a person is actually going for the goal and not just playing league of legends Whack-a-mole, I am fine. but when they start ignoring towers, ignoring dragons, and ignoring the team so they can use the catch-all excuse of "its just a game", that is them showing they have no interest in winning. This shows they are breaking the point of the game. I mean they punish afk-farming right? People giving up, not trying to win? this is basically the same thing. They are not trying to win so that they can pad out thier kda more, make thier stats look prettier.
Zardo (NA)
: > "If you want to win so badly you should go to comp (she meant competitive/Ranked) I tend to agree with whoever said this. You can't expect perfect or even decent play from teammates in normal games since they are a casual mode where people try out new roles, champs, playstyles, strategies, and practice champion mechanics. They also want to have fun, and constantly skirmishing can be fun.
I do not expect perfection or decent. But oddly enough the people who use this "its just a game" excuse are the same players who will actively IGNORE towers. They will chase kills at the drop of a hat, they will flip thier shit if you take even ONE minion. They will brag about thier double digit kdas (often 15-20 kills if not more) These players will actively ignore the objective to chase kill after kill. But you ask them to help with towers or dragons and they will use "chill its just a game" even asking them to GROUP gets the response. The rest of the team just wants to try and win, but these players are more interest in just endlessly farming minions.
: ya those are bothersome but you can report those, and sometimes they get punished (not always as it need to be repeated offense i think) tho the worst part is when they try to solo baron and ping spam you if you come and then they lose it. lucky for me i did not play with one of those for a while (hopefully never lol)
Yeah but these are the people I am referring to, They will cultivate a protected kda by ignoring towers, only going after kills and minions. They have NO interest in winning. They will spam ping you to death if you take even ONE minion or ONE kill from them. But the moment you say "hay can you stop farming kills long enough to actually do damage to the tower" and they will respond with "chill dude, its just a game" And yet when the enemy team is kicking down our inhibs and has 3 dragons and a baron, this player is the first one to tell everyone else how "Trash" they are and call to report them for "inting" or "feeding" These are the types of people who are becoming more and more common, the "Killz = Skillz" players. they dont care about winning, as long as they have the "prettiest" kda from the surface.
: If someone is gonna get spazzy or inflamatory because of how things are going in a match, im going to remind them its an electronic vidya game and that they dont have to hurt themselves or others when they lose.
I understand its a game, as I have said many times before. But there is a differance between someone taking a game slowly and enjoying it, poke the towers, get some kills...poke a little more...get more kills, etc. Yeah, its a game, have fun with it But there is a difference between that and someone who will actively ignore towers like its the black death (the medieval plague), chase every kill that shows up. And when someone asks the player to help them take towers and stop chasing kills, they just respond with "its just a game" before going back to ignoring towers. Meanwhile they are the same person with an obscene double digit kda, enough items to 1-shot enemies (and no doubt make short work of towers) But no, they ignore avoid towers like its holding thier mother hostage or something, while still bragging about how hard they are 'carrying this trash team" in their own words.
: normally kda maniacs like those complain about teammates when they lose {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
Yeah I dont care about kills, I understand that league is a game of objective control, not kills so If someone else gets a kill, even if its one I have been working on I give them a thumbs up and just continue heading for the nearest tower I dont care about kills, I want wins. You only win by nexus, and you only get to nexus through towers. Spending 40 minutes to cultivate and bubble-wrap a 30+ kda while ignoring towers is actively throwing. You are not trying to win, you are just trying to make your kda as visual appealing as possible for when you lose. and these same people will use thier kda as validation for ANYHING, Braging about "I got most kills, stfu" or something like that.
: i understand you and i know how you feel i just wanted to put out a point here that some in normals take it to extreme i saw to many who flame someone for first trying a champion in normal blind its not even funny
Oh I understand. I saw someone flame a new player for playing a "first time thresh" and they flamed and tried to report him for "inting" despite him saying in the lobby he had only been playing for about 2 weeks. I am talking about the players who will happily show off how they can "1-shot" anyone, and brag about thier 36/2 kda. Yet the moment you suggest them helping to focuse the 3 outer towers that are still standing untouched, they will respond with "Chill, its just a game" then run off to go chase kill #37, bragging about how they are "carrying this trash team" IMO if you arent actively going after towers and objectives, it doesnt matter how many kills you have, you arent carrying shit. 26/2 kda, No towers downed, No dragons captured, No baron... = NO CARRY 5/0, 4 towers down, 2 dragons secured, 1 herald captured = Carry This isnt a TDM and i am sick of people who come in and try and turn it INTO a TDM.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1vAJ49LE,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T10:32:09.856+0000) > > Right and how do you Fix bad players? you help them understand how to play the game better, that the game isnt about kills. But then people like you come alone and just dismiss it with "its just a game", so nothing is fixed, People keep doing the same thing, and the game gets worse. players get bored of people doing nothing but running after kills and minions for 40 minutes while not a single tower is downed. And that leads to afks and people spamming surrender because no progress is made and they are tired of sitting around watching you powder your ass while last hitting minions. When i say "It's just a game", i meant that people take this crap way too seriously, both the gameplay and the gamers. People like you are one of the reason older LOL community is getting more and more toxic. If you want to help others understand the game, you can do it without getting ballistic.
if its getting more toxic its because those of us who have been playing longer, actually were more interested in actually trying to win. YES its just a game,but it still has an objective. New player seem to do nothing but sit around and farm minions, they will not touch towers, and will spend the entire game chasing kills up and down the map like its league of legends "whack-a-mole" They will actively ignore towers and objectives, but will tout the superiority of thier kda pissing contest every chance they get. They will ignore towers,but happily remind you how hard they are "Carrying this trash team" every chance they get, shoving thier double digit kda in your face. Yet they will run away from enemy towers like its the plague. Yeah Us older players understand the objective of the game and want to WIN, which means DESTROYING THE ENEMY NEXUS the new players are more interested in talking about how "trash noob" their team is for not having a glorious 36/2 kda like them and how they are "carrying the team so hard", while all 3 enemy outer towers still stand untouched and the enemy is kicking down our inhibitors.
: if you try hard flaming then ya i will till you its just a freaking game trying to win if fine try harding to win is fine getting angry at players who dont try to win on propose (as in trolling the team/not ending when they can ect ect) is fine and reportable in some cases flaming others because they did not full try hard mode is not fine hence i will till you you are way to srs and should relax a bit for real can those try hards flamers stop playing normals {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
I am not flaming them, I am saying if you go into a game mode with an OBJECTIVE. And you decide "I dont feel like winning because its just a game" Then that is greifing. I understand its a game, you win and you lose. But if you actively go into the game with idea that you dont have to try to win because "its just a game" so you spend 40 minutes farming minions and chasing kills while the other players on your team are actively trying to go after the enemy nexus, That is greifing. And these same people who go INTO the match thinking "why should I try and win, its just a game" end up dead wieght for the rest of the team. I dont mind having fun, I dont mind joking around. yeah, I get it, it is just a game. BUT the game itself still has an objective, to destroy the enemy nexus by taking down towers. If you are -actively- refusing to go after towers, ignore dragons, and just want to farm minions for fun. And when someone asks you to help them take towers, you respond with "chill, its just a game" That is where i get pissed off Because you are now intentionally causing the team to lose because you dont FEEL like going after objectives. That is greifing No, I wont flame the person. I am all too happy to report them for greifing and intentionally throwing the game. Again, I understand its normals, I understand its for fun and it if you win or lose, its fine. I draw the line and the people who go into a match, have NO INTENTION of trying to win. They just prod minions and chase kills for the entire game they will not touch dragons they avoid towers like its got the plague and anyone who asks them to help or to actually start going after objectives to...yknow, TRY and win...they simply respond with "its just a game" or "If you want to win, go play ranked" all so they can dismiss the team and go back to doing what they want without having to worry about actually helping anyone else.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cAKuUwJN,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T10:22:09.212+0000) > > and again, Just because YOU dont see any value in it, doesnt mean there isnt still an objective to the game. The game is made with an objective, a goal. Ignoring that is actively sabotaging the "Team" game because you are too lazy to go after towers or want to try and force the game to slow down to YOUR pace. > If you arent going for the objective, you are greifing. > You are actively throwing. and I am going to start reporting people as such. > that is all there is to it. When someone suggest going for objective and you dismiss them with "its just a game" you are displaying you have no interest in the core objective of the game. Therefore you are actively throwing becase YOU dont see any value in trying to win. Report whatever you deem detrimental, mate, that's what this system is for. Just remember that most of those players will not get punished if they are simply bad. And really need to chill a bit.
there is a difference between being bad and ACTIVELY IGNORING THE OBJECTIVE. Being bad is not having a 15/0 kda, bragging abut it, but when someone suggests taking towers you respond with "its just a game" as a way to dismiss thier suggestion as a whole. If someone pings towers to the point of timeout and you actively ignore it in favor of running after the next blip that shows up on your map, That is not being bad. That is actively greifing so you can go run after kills like this is a TDM.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1vAJ49LE,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T10:16:51.610+0000) > > Nah, not just ONE match, it happens in EVERY single match, people arent actually going for objectives, they sit around fighting over who has more kills and then use the person with the most negative kda as a scapegoat "inter" so they can go back to feeling good about themselves. > It doesn't. Once again, it's a hyporbole > Every other match I get children who sit around and pat themselves on the back. They will actively ignore the towers and dragons like the plague, but drop EVERYTHING the moment an enemy pops up on the map so they can go chase the kill, claim it, spend 5 minutes fighting over "You KSed me" with other teams, then go back to waiting for the next blip to show up on the map so they can repeat the process all over again. > Bad players, not trolls. Lower elos (i don't know what your rank is, i don't care enough to check it) are like that, they always were > This is not just ONE match, this is getting to the point of almost EVERY match. and they all use the same fking excuse "its just a game" and then they go back to ignoring kills while trying to be the first to go for a double digit kDa. Once again, it doesn't happen that often, you just choose to remember those terrible matches.
> It doesn't. Once again, it's a hyporbole right thats why when you see someone going for nothing but kills and suggest they help group up or take towers, they respond with "stfu ur X/X" or "I am 15/2" as if that gives them a free pass, but the moment someone else takes a kill, they will immediately call "KS" and throw a tantrum. > Bad players, not trolls. Lower elos (i don't know what your rank is, i don't care enough to check it) are like that, they always were Right and how do you Fix bad players? you help them understand how to play the game better, that the game isnt about kills. But then people like you come alone and just dismiss it with "its just a game", so nothing is fixed, People keep doing the same thing, and the game gets worse. players get bored of people doing nothing but running after kills and minions for 40 minutes while not a single tower is downed. And that leads to afks and people spamming surrender because no progress is made and they are tired of sitting around watching you powder your ass while last hitting minions. > Once again, it doesn't happen that often, you just choose to remember those terrible matches. right, it totally doesnt happen, thats why you have people who sit around and farm kills for forty minutes, sit around and brag about a 32/6 kda, then when the enemy team (the ones who actually want to WIN) destroy our inibitors, these Kda players will go on about how "cant carry this trash team" and look for someone to report for "inting" to make themselves feel better. But anytime you asked them to stop chasing kills and focus towers, you get "its just a game, chill" as a dismissal.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cAKuUwJN,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T10:12:25.303+0000) > > I never said I was a pro player, But i dont go into a baseball match telling players "Stop taking the game so serious, stop trying to win, its just a game" > The game has an objective at its core, the goal is "to fight through towers to destroy the enemy nexus". People come into the game to play THE GAME, not sit around poking at minions for 40 minutes till they get bored and spam for a surrender. > If you have no interest inplaying the objective, yOu are throwing. You are greifing > and I am happy to start reporting as such. You can still have fun while trying to win. But you expect everyone to just stop trying because YOU are too lazy to try. or YOU dont see any value in trying to go for the objective. > then please uninstall the game or go back to the ai and you can play as facebook casual as you want. > > If you arent playing the objective of the game, you are greifing. > if you are greifing, you will be reported as such. > I dont care if you think I take the game seriously. You want to play this like its a glorified facebook game, go to the training room and have fun there, some of us are actually interested in trying to win. I love how you are trying to insult me by claiming that i play facebook games. It's adorable. Like i said, it's a game that you can just pick up and play. You don't have a trainer, you don't have obligations to your club, and you don't get ANYTHING from playing it. Besides, once again, people claim something without a proof.
and again, Just because YOU dont see any value in it, doesnt mean there isnt still an objective to the game. The game is made with an objective, a goal. Ignoring that is actively sabotaging the "Team" game because you are too lazy to go after towers or want to try and force the game to slow down to YOUR pace. If you arent going for the objective, you are greifing. You are actively throwing. and I am going to start reporting people as such. that is all there is to it. When someone suggest going for objective and you dismiss them with "its just a game" you are displaying you have no interest in the core objective of the game. Therefore you are actively throwing becase YOU dont see any value in trying to win.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1vAJ49LE,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-14T10:06:24.996+0000) > > Nah, I need people who actually know how the game works. > If you are not going for the objectives, you are greifing/giving up. If you arent trying to win, you are throwing > If you are throwing, I WILL report you as such. > I am tired of people using "its just a game" as an excuse for ignoring the objectives. > Then they turn around and complain about afks and such. You know why they are afk? because people play the game like its fucking FACEBOOK. The afks are trying not to fall asleep from boredom by facebook casuals who have NO interest in winning, just want to compete for who has "most kills" or "highest CS" Like its bubble pop or something. > > So if you people are so hung up on "its just a game" then you should remove all your cries over "they afk, they trolling" when it happens to you. > If it really is just a game, then you should have no problem with it.Because to me, people who use "its just a game" as a free excuse for ignoring objectives are the REAL trolls and greifers. > They have no interest in winning > and therefor I am happy to report them as greifers. > The game has an objective, ignoring the objective is greifing > greifing is reportable > > Or is it "just a game" only when its convenient for YOU. Your rants are getting more and more hilarious, you know that? You had one match in which a player (according to you) refused to touch a tower. One game. Blowing this out of proportions much? Sure, you can report them, but if they did nothing wrong, and simply played bad, then nothing will happen to them. I just hope you are not a rager like that in your matches, or your ass will soon get banned.
Nah, not just ONE match, it happens in EVERY single match, people arent actually going for objectives, they sit around fighting over who has more kills and then use the person with the most negative kda as a scapegoat "inter" so they can go back to feeling good about themselves. Every other match I get children who sit around and pat themselves on the back. They will actively ignore the towers and dragons like the plague, but drop EVERYTHING the moment an enemy pops up on the map so they can go chase the kill, claim it, spend 5 minutes fighting over "You KSed me" with other teams, then go back to waiting for the next blip to show up on the map so they can repeat the process all over again. This is not just ONE match, this is getting to the point of almost EVERY match. and they all use the same fking excuse "its just a game" and then they go back to ignoring kills while trying to be the first to go for a double digit kDa.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cAKuUwJN,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T09:59:32.377+0000) > > There is a difference between playing for fun and Completely IGNORING THE OBJECTIVE OF THE GAME. > Its alot like the old Call of duty demolition > The objective of the game is to get the 'bomb' to the enemy base and detonate it. > Players would actively IGNORE the objective of the game to sit around and just treat it like a TDM game mode. If you have nO interest in going for the win, then get off the fking game. Fun or not, this is not your facebook casual. > The game has an objective, if you have no interest in actually trying to go for the objectve, then why the fk are you even playing the game to begin with, all you are doing is screwing over 4 other players because you are too lazy and self involved to bother going for the tower and expect everyone else to throw the game because "hay yknow, its casual and I dont really feel like winning...Its just a game after all. So if you could all just stop trying to win and let us lose? that would be great, thanks" and then even adding in "if you wanted to try and win, you should go play ranked" when this community takes this SAME "facebook casual" attitude INTO RANKED. > So dont give me that bs. > The game has an objective. If you are not going for the objective, you are throwing/giving up. > If you are giving up/throwing...you are greifing > and I WILL report it as such. > > Or as I suggested are you gonna go to a football game and tell the players "Hay, you shouldnt try to win unless you are in the grey cup" > League is a game...A COMPETITIVE GAME at its CORE. You want to sit around and poke minions all day without having to actually try and win, there is a place for you, Its called "TRAINING ROOM" go use it or get off the game You are not a pro player, do don't belong to any esports team, you get NOTHING other than some vanity items for rankeds. There's no prestige in winning that diamond border, at least none that will carry over to your life. You take this shit way too seriously.
I never said I was a pro player, But i dont go into a baseball match telling players "Stop taking the game so serious, stop trying to win, its just a game" The game has an objective at its core, the goal is "to fight through towers to destroy the enemy nexus". People come into the game to play THE GAME, not sit around poking at minions for 40 minutes till they get bored and spam for a surrender. If you have no interest inplaying the objective, yOu are throwing. You are greifing and I am happy to start reporting as such. You can still have fun while trying to win. But you expect everyone to just stop trying because YOU are too lazy to try. or YOU dont see any value in trying to go for the objective. then please uninstall the game or go back to the ai and you can play as facebook casual as you want. If you arent playing the objective of the game, you are greifing. if you are greifing, you will be reported as such. I dont care if you think I take the game seriously. You want to play this like its a glorified facebook game, go to the training room and have fun there, some of us are actually interested in trying to win.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: You clearly need a break, friend. Grab a beer, and go watch some JoJo, or whatever it is you like.
Nah, I need people who actually know how the game works. If you are not going for the objectives, you are greifing/giving up. If you arent trying to win, you are throwing If you are throwing, I WILL report you as such. I am tired of people using "its just a game" as an excuse for ignoring the objectives. Then they turn around and complain about afks and such. You know why they are afk? because people play the game like its fucking FACEBOOK. The afks are trying not to fall asleep from boredom by facebook casuals who have NO interest in winning, just want to compete for who has "most kills" or "highest CS" Like its bubble pop or something. So if you people are so hung up on "its just a game" then you should remove all your cries over "they afk, they trolling" when it happens to you. If it really is just a game, then you should have no problem with it.Because to me, people who use "its just a game" as a free excuse for ignoring objectives are the REAL trolls and greifers. They have no interest in winning and therefor I am happy to report them as greifers. The game has an objective, ignoring the objective is greifing greifing is reportable Or is it "just a game" only when its convenient for YOU.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HavokDash,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cAKuUwJN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-14T08:13:52.972+0000) > > Sorry but that is bullshit, And I am REALLY fucking sick of hearing that excuse used as some sort of free pass. > League is a competitive game, Yes a game, But a COMPETITIVE GAME! > and for people who have NO interest in taking objectives, NO interest in taking towers, No interest in helping thier team win...need to get off the game. > I just got off a game where my adc REFUSED to even touch the tower. They would take the farm, take the kills, but then ignore the tower. They would walk back to thier tower and wait, or go back to base and get more items just to wait by the tower. At no point were any towers even touched. > But the moment I suggest "Hey we need to stop farming kills and take a tower, I get the weak-ass excuse of "chill, its just a game" as some sort of dismissal. > And the comment after that proved the player was not interested in winning "If you want to win so badly you should go to comp (she meant competitive/Ranked) > People use the "Its just a game" bullshit as a free pass to dismiss criticism. > If you arent actually interested in taking towers, Then You are just dead weight. And I, as support, am not required to go out of my way to save dead weight. > > Again, Yes...It is just a game, But it is a competitive game. > if you want a relaxing casual game then i suggest uninstalling and go play a facebook game or something, or go back to angry birds. > I am sick of losing games because people are too lazy to bother with attacking towers and then use "its just a game" as a way to give themselves a free pass. > Time to start letting the dead weight fall away, dont come onto a game that requires a team to take OBJECTIVES, then spend 40 minutes casually sitting back to farm minions and kills while ignoring dragons,towers, and the nexus. > Or maybe you plan on going to a NFL/NBA/NHL game and telling them "Hey, Its just a game, stop trying to win so much" "Stop trying to win, its just a game" and see what kind of reactions you get. The only time you should get pissed off at someone like that, is when you are playing ranked matches. If you can't handle someone having casual fun in normals or bot matches, then YOU should just go and play something else. Yes, it's annoying if your teammates play badly, but that's no reason to get them off the game.
There is a difference between playing for fun and Completely IGNORING THE OBJECTIVE OF THE GAME. Its alot like the old Call of duty demolition The objective of the game is to get the 'bomb' to the enemy base and detonate it. Players would actively IGNORE the objective of the game to sit around and just treat it like a TDM game mode. If you have nO interest in going for the win, then get off the fking game. Fun or not, this is not your facebook casual. The game has an objective, if you have no interest in actually trying to go for the objectve, then why the fk are you even playing the game to begin with, all you are doing is screwing over 4 other players because you are too lazy and self involved to bother going for the tower and expect everyone else to throw the game because "hay yknow, its casual and I dont really feel like winning...Its just a game after all. So if you could all just stop trying to win and let us lose? that would be great, thanks" and then even adding in "if you wanted to try and win, you should go play ranked" when this community takes this SAME "facebook casual" attitude INTO RANKED. So dont give me that bs. The game has an objective. If you are not going for the objective, you are throwing/giving up. If you are giving up/throwing...you are greifing and I WILL report it as such. Or as I suggested are you gonna go to a football game and tell the players "Hay, you shouldnt try to win unless you are in the grey cup" League is a game...A COMPETITIVE GAME at its CORE. You want to sit around and poke minions all day without having to actually try and win, there is a place for you, Its called "TRAINING ROOM" go use it or get off the game
: nah, its norms, its literally for practicing and trolling. anyone that takes normals seriously is an idiot and is wasting time. You only take the game seriously in ranked and even then almost 90% of the people I play with never take ranked seriously and feed anyway. So nobody really takes this game serious anymore. Probably has to do with how pissed off the player base is with how shitty of a game this has become. You could literally hold the balance team at gunpoint and threaten them to do a proper job and they still would fail and end up dying lol... Guess that'd be worth it though because then new people would be hired in place of the absolute garbage we have now.
Nah even in ranked, people will STILL use the "chill dude, its just a game" as a free pass for doing the same casuall farming bullshit they do in norms. They will still use "its just a game" as a free pass to take any responsibility off themselves. They do it in ranked because no one calls them out for doing it in norms. so they are trained to believe it is acceptable. They then just use it as a catch-all excuse Losing badly? its just a game Not taking towers? its just a game Not getting kills? Its just a game Dont feel like trying to win? its just a game anything they can think of can be excused because "its just a game" so go to a football match and try telling players "you should only try to win if you make it to the greycup, after all, its just a game. So chill out" So yeah, I am happy to abandon these dead wieght "its just a game so dont try and win" players. Maybe they will get tired of losing and go back to facebook games.
: but they are not wrong. league is just a game. who gives a flying fuck about winning in a non-ranked mode. nothing will be affected by it. not lp, not ranking, nothing. so sit back, chillax, and quit trying to force people to win. if you do end up winning great. if you are losing oh well. no good no bad.
But people take that SAME attitude INTO ranked. Normal draft is to PREPARE you for Ranked. So people wont even TRY to take towers, and then when the team suggests "hey we need to take towers in order to actually Win the match" they respond with "its just a game" as validation for them not needing to win That is actually giving up, that is greifing, and I will be reporting it as such. If you have no interest in actually going for nexus, DONT QUE UP. Yes its just a game, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have an objective. If you dont want to try and win and just want to throw abilities around, there is a training room for that.
Rioter Comments
: Please calm down, it's just a game.
Sorry but that is bullshit, And I am REALLY fucking sick of hearing that excuse used as some sort of free pass. League is a competitive game, Yes a game, But a COMPETITIVE GAME! and for people who have NO interest in taking objectives, NO interest in taking towers, No interest in helping thier team win...need to get off the game. I just got off a game where my adc REFUSED to even touch the tower. They would take the farm, take the kills, but then ignore the tower. They would walk back to thier tower and wait, or go back to base and get more items just to wait by the tower. At no point were any towers even touched. But the moment I suggest "Hey we need to stop farming kills and take a tower, I get the weak-ass excuse of "chill, its just a game" as some sort of dismissal. And the comment after that proved the player was not interested in winning "If you want to win so badly you should go to comp (she meant competitive/Ranked) People use the "Its just a game" bullshit as a free pass to dismiss criticism. If you arent actually interested in taking towers, Then You are just dead weight. And I, as support, am not required to go out of my way to save dead weight. Again, Yes...It is just a game, But it is a competitive game. if you want a relaxing casual game then i suggest uninstalling and go play a facebook game or something, or go back to angry birds. I am sick of losing games because people are too lazy to bother with attacking towers and then use "its just a game" as a way to give themselves a free pass. Time to start letting the dead weight fall away, dont come onto a game that requires a team to take OBJECTIVES, then spend 40 minutes casually sitting back to farm minions and kills while ignoring dragons,towers, and the nexus. Or maybe you plan on going to a NFL/NBA/NHL game and telling them "Hey, Its just a game, stop trying to win so much" "Stop trying to win, its just a game" and see what kind of reactions you get.
Saezio (EUNE)
: well, I didn't read your whole post (sorry) but, back in Season 3 there were people that were actually new to the game. Can't expect the same leniency on accounts that are 100+ lvl :) ain't it simple?
No this thresh was a NEW player, apparently he had only been playing for about 2 weeks and it was his first game as thresh. So this was a NEW player in season 8 who didnt even understand all of the different mechanics, such as leashing. And He was flamed, harrassed and "reported for inting" Despite having announce clearly in the post game that he was a new player and didnt know how to play thresh.
: and that is the truth. i like this game but not the self centered assholes who play it for whatever reason. thank god civ 6 Gathering Storm is being released tomorrow. i'll be spending more time on that than league (if you are willing to shell out $101 you can buy civ 6 and all the DLC that comes with it (including Rise & Fall and Gathering storm). i highly encourage you, and anyone else, to try and maybe buy it. free trial going on right now if you want to test the waters beforehand. it is single player but can go online. haven't done online yet though so cannot give judgement on it.) sales pitch aside, i wish this game could get it's shit together and learn to actually be nice to one another and learn to work together instead of one-upping each other. but that will never happen cause of ranking system. that is another excuse people will use to flame at each other. if you are bronze (or unranked like me) players will flame at you and call you trash. but if you are plat or diamond they treat you like Jesus himself.
Mmhmm I played civ 5 and enjoyed it, havent been able to try civ 6 yet. I would have to get quite a few art commissions to be able to afford it...My wallet is already being tortured enough as it is. *insert the sound of cracking whips in the background* But yes, the community is more interested in competing to see who can climb atop the highest horse. Thats why I refer to it as a "KDA Pissing contest". They will throw the entire match just so they can say "I got most kills, stfu u trash" Again, this game has lost focus on the OBJECTIVE of the game, and just resorted to fighting and manufacturing over who gets to be the "solo carry". They see thier teammates as obstacles, not allies. Even in teamfights, I could tell people "burst down priority targets 5v1, dont divide the damage by chasing multiple 1v1s" All because I will see people go into a teamfight and then....scatter to seperate into 3-4 seperate 1v1s The reason is so they can secure THEIR OWN kills. Their OWN 1v1s. I mean if everyone 5v1's a target there is only a 1 in 5 chance YOU will secure the kill, to add that +1 to your belt. But chase your seperate 1v1s and you can guarantee YOU get the kill. Who cares if the enemy burst down your whole team, you got YOUR kill. This is the attitude that has invaded the community. Its no longer about "Team win", its about "MY kills!" and yes, its funny that people will often use the excuse "Well if you hate the game so much, just dont play" No, I dont hate the game. I hate the snivelling, self entitled toddlers this community has turned into. The community too wrapped up in how they are "gods gift to league" that they will try and go out of thier way to get NEW players banned for INTING...because they happened to perform poorly when playing a NEW champ for the FIRST time. and the people on the forums here will uuse the excuse. Well ok, Lets look at it this way. You have a friend you loved, someone you enjoyed playing with. Over the years, the person becomes crueler, becomes a diseased drug addict destroying themselves. By the players own logic. Rather than trying to help this person get better, rather than confront the problems destroying this person from the inside out. Rather than trying to tell this person you hate what they have become... Just leave them! yeah! Let them destroy themselves. If you hate what they have become, just leave. Who cares if they die in the gutter a disgusting shell of who you knew they were. Rather than try and help this friend, its better to just leave and let them die a drug addicted mess. This is the logic that people use when they try and dismiss an arguement by using the excuse "well if you hate the game so much, Just leave" It doesnt fix the problem, all it does is let everyone else go back to turning away and trying to cover up the smell.
: i think the problem that this entire community has is they want to win. they don't care about anything except winning. and winning is a matter of perspective. to some it is destroying the nexus. to others it is forcing the enemy to surrender. and others think it is getting most kills. players will do anything (and i do mean anything) to win a game. if they are not winning they blame their team for doing terrible and will report them for whatever excuse i can find. from what i understand, in a perfect game of league everyone is doing what they should which is following the meta and going by the book. if someone is not doing that then they will flame at them and go ape shit crazy. it dont matter what game mode it in either. people expect you to do as they say or else they report you and get pissy at you. unlike most players in game and on boards, i don't care about winning or losing. league is just a game. it is not the end of the world if we lose a game and there is nothing at the top of the ranked totem pole to make the climb worth it. i have seen every type of player and after playing almost a year the only thing that pisses me off is an enemy purposefully going out of their way to kill me and no one else (don't matter if they are jungle or not) and players crying and surrendering cause being an asshole to their team is not working. all i want from my team is to show respect and kindness. but they don't care. they will continue to flame me and be an asshole to me cause they expect it to work. but really it will do nothing except give me less of a reason to listen to them.
I wholeheartedly agree. I have been playing sinse season 3, back then people were alot more forgiving of mistakes. They were alot more willing to HELP new players rather than spam for Reports and tell them how "trash" they are. Back then people were more open and flexible. However over the seasons people became more arrogant and conceited, more full of themselves. And now everyone seems to think they ARE faker...or at least the -next- faker. There is no room on the team for the other 4 players. I have watched a player call for reports on a NEW player for "inting" as thresh despite the fact the support stated in the lobby "I have never played thresh before" But apparently that didnt stop the accusing player from reporting the "first time thresh" for "intentional feeding" and going on and on in game about how "useless trash" the support was. This is a good game, But the community itself has become arrogant and sickeningly conceited. They are convinced of thier own superiority and seem to think they can do no wrong. If the match does not go thier way then they treat it as some sort of global conspiracy, where a player going 0/1 or giving up first blood did so with the SOLE intention of ruining the match and was not simply outplayed. And of course the community is so mind-numbingly focused on kills that they use kills as a meter for everything. Eg. You tell someone "The sky is blue" and you will get a different response based on your kda. If you are 5/0, the response is "Of course, everyone knows that" and they treat your words as gospel truth If you are 0/5, however, the response is "Stfu ur 0/5. Ur just lying trash cuz u suk so bad" and then they will proceed to call for reports on you for "inting" while using your KDA, your items, and anything else they can dredge up to completely dismiss you entirely. Again, its a good game, but the community has gone from just being toxic...to being flat out rotten from the inside out. If someone were to express interest in the game, I would go out of my way to discourage them from doing so. And if I could I would happily encourage current players who havent been tainted and twisted by this horrible community to leave and find another game. I have been playing sinse season 3, its a daily routine....so it may be too late for my (My disabilities give me severe anxiety attacks when I break from my routines) but If i can prevent other players from being devoured by this disgustingly arrogant community, i would gladly do so. Sadly No one will care about trying to change the community or try and improve it, no one wants to face the ugly side of the reflection. SO they will use whatever they can to dismiss an arguement on whole, whether its one's kda, thier items, thier builds, their rank, whatever they can make stick. This community would rather spend the entire game telling you how "Trash" you are. Because there is no room on the rift for anyone other than them and thier own overinflated ego.
: Teamwork and toxicity
Teamwork has been eroded and erased from this game because Riot pushes the idea of the "solo carry" which is opposite of the "Team game" it started as. They go to each player and tell them they are "too good for this team", that they are the "solo carry" So it essentially causes players to see thier teammates as "the other". These players dont want teammates, they want witnesses to "my personal glory". This has become less about "teammates working together to destroy the nexus" and now has become a fight over "I got more kills than u" I have had games where I ask people "can you ping your MIAs plz" or "watch the map next time" and I will get "stfu" followed by them spitting MY OWN kda back at me as if its some debate-ending secret weapon, Something along the lines of "stfu, ur 0/2" Players in this community are so wrapped up in thier entitlement and self aggrandizement that they no longer even look at the context of HOW one died, just the fact that they died periot. I could get 4v1 ambushed, CC'ed to a standstill and go 0/1. And this community will not think twice of "omg report for INTING" They use the buzzwords of "inting", "feeding" and "toxic" as a form of dismissal. People often avoid grouping up because they are more interested in securing -their- kills. I have had games where people will come in and sweep a kill out from under me....guess what? I DONT FLIP MY SHIT AT THEM. I dont spend the entire game crying about how they "KS'ed" me over ONE kill. And more often than not, we can generally get ahead. Most times however, Leads are lost and all-but-won matches are lost becuase of -personal- greed. Players get a few kills and then decide they are "too good for this trash team" so they run off solo. If someone else gets a kill they called 'dibs' on, the player will drop the whole game to kick and scream about KS and seem to use thier kda as validation...like "I have most kills on the team" as some sort of reason why -all- kills should go to them and if someone else takes it, its KS (which people stupidly still think is a "reportable" offence) The game is heading south, players are leaving the game, and people are less and less interested in WINNING because Riot has pushed a solo carry mentality which turns a 5 man team into just another "kda pissing contest" over who has more kills. Everyone wants to be the "solo carry" and the best way is seemingly to just stick a dagger into the back of the other 4 players on thier own team. Get them banned, removed, or just throw them under the bus. Thats what this community has become. This is why Teamwork is becoming less and less noticable. Everyone doesnt think they are Part of a team, they think THEY ARE the team!
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