: You could still do it. Definitely harder now, but some people have tried it.
No its basically not possible anymore graves was just a fun bursty sustain damage dealer. Now hes forced into the jungle role, and made into a tanky burst guy
BoianV (EUNE)
: You do realize this is a _game_ right? This isn't the fucking olympics, people can and should play whatever they have fun with. League is not a job.
You know what else is a game? Sports. Try that shit there and see how happy they will be lmao. League players are so delusional, its the best.
Rìveń (EUNE)
: It clearly did, otherwise you would not have mentioned it, especially not in such a way. You literally had no other reason to bring that up, other than saying "Oh look, my rank is higher, that means I'm the one who's correct here". Everyone else is in this discussion seems to be disagreeing with your points, you're just trying to use your ELO to justify that you are "right", enough said.
No, the original comment poster made the claim that im the person in his game, I used my ELO to show that its probably not even possible for me to be in a game with him. Ignoring context and paraphrasing aho!
: first, I did not say that he had more range, I compared the two that in the scope of things, both are within the ordinary "ranged" category of attack distance second, with an AD build, he would have all of the benefits of AD such as high DPS and magic damage that can compare to her own damage values without any AP she would have higher magic damage, of course she would, but fiddlesticks gets comparable damage with mixed damage types and less gold needed we're also comparing apples to oranges here with annie being single-target burst damage and crittlesticks being hybrid critical burst and team damage abilities
K well you can play crittlesticks and ill play full ap annie and we will see who feeds. Hint: Its gonna be the crittlesticks.
Rìveń (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lOrVfU1N,comment-id=000800000000000000000001000000020000,timestamp=2018-04-25T06:50:50.975+0000) > > its fair to assume his elo is far far lower than mine. And my ELO is higher than your ELO, therefore, your argument is invalid. Because I say so. Edit: double post, great boards.
My elo had nothing to do with mine or his argument. Just finding a way to butt in I see
: well, what role do you play? and what champion do you want to play?
I know where youre going with this. Yes, I have had my mains banned intentionally before. No, I did not grief an entire team out of spite.
Dysnomia (EUNE)
: I will assume that Hibeki was the one losing that promo QQ
Fortunately no. Theres no real way to prove it because this guy hides behind his smurf like a coward, but considering his mentality and approach to the game its fair to assume his elo is far far lower than mine.
: annie's Q also has a 6 second cooldown and only 625 range compared to fiddle's 480+ let's take a look though and see what MIGHT happen if annie has {{item:3089}} and {{item:3285}} and also 6900 gold for a total of 210 ap + 40% of that = 290 annie's Q at max rank does 220 + 80% ap = 452 + 100 from luden's = 552 max fiddle can deal 420 + AD crit but let's look at the gold as well, static shiv = 2600 ; RFC = 2600 , fiddle would still have 1700 gold left over to add {{item:1038}} by the way, fiddle's ult also does up to 325 damage per second without ANY ap...
Ok, now lets add in that gold efficiency for the REST of her kit and you instantly see how the damage is incomparable. Just stop. You dont have an argument here. You even tried stating that 625 range was less than 480 somehow.
DearPear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=prIq81fB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-25T03:47:10.145+0000) > > Saying "Hey I am getting camped top, can you do something about it" is not toxic That I agree, it is not toxic. > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=prIq81fB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-25T03:47:10.145+0000) > > Later saying "Ok, if you aren't going to gank top can you counterjungle the enemy team or gank another lane" is not toxic That I disagree, it **is** toxic. > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=prIq81fB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-25T03:47:10.145+0000) > > "Can you do literally anything other than be afk in fountain" is not toxic. It is even more toxic than the previous sentence. --- In all seriousness now, who do you think you are to actively judge your allies and tell them what to do? Should I remind you that you have the same MMR they do and so the same presumed level?
How is the second statement even remotely toxic. The player is choosing not to follow solution to a problem, so they are being told another.
DearPear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=prIq81fB,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-25T05:51:34.243+0000) > > Reports mean nothing since its all automated now. Unless you say a blacklisted word you can pretty much do damn near anything and not get punished for it. The system may be automated, it still waits for at least one report to become active and analyze one's behavior.
Really, is that why since im apparently a toxic player in everyones eyes, despite being the exact same the only time ive been punished in two years was an automated immediate post game ban for a blacklisted word?
: > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lOrVfU1N,comment-id=00000001000100010000,timestamp=2018-04-25T04:56:06.967+0000) > > Oh yea? If I build full AD crit fiddlesticks does that make me a mage? No. He was required to "pick a a tank" which he did. He was not told how to build a tank or made any sort of agreement towards that. Hope you don't get scammed in the future missing the small print.
No he didnt pick a tank. He picked someone who has the tag 'tank' then used that as semantics for an excuse to grief.
: up to 490 magic damage is decent for only requiring movement and attacks combine that with your full AD build and it is very difficult to itemize against also, is semantics really the word you want to use there? semantics: the study or science of meaning in language semantics: the meaning or interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form
A goddamn Annie Q with that much gold would do as much damage. So youre wrong. Its terrible.
Ekitaih (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=prIq81fB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-25T05:05:33.676+0000) > > I disagree, you knowingly go into a competitive environment and therefore have expectations to reach. The toxic behavior is not in reasonable negative feedback, its the reaction to the negative feedback. > > Its not blame, rather than addressing the problem directly since they cannot do so themselves. Then when they don't, you get justifiably irritated. > > League is unique in that any sort of negative feedback is met with 'ree', any sort of team environment AT ALL is the opposite of what we have here. Youre trying to cut off the guy reacting to the negative player expecting the result to change. You're putting masking tape over a bigger issue, because they are going to continue to be like this and provoke another player, and another, and another. Hence the reason for the report option. There's only so many times that said person can be toxic before he/she reaches a ban. Not everyone is always going to be playing well. Sure, offering suggestions may not be toxic, but escalating an argument is. If you see that someone isn't going to take your constructive criticism well, then leave it. At a certain point, you're intentionally antagonizing them thus creating a toxic environment.
Reports mean nothing since its all automated now. Unless you say a blacklisted word you can pretty much do damn near anything and not get punished for it.
Chermorg (NA)
: See, you *are* being toxic by doing that. You're constantly blaming them, being negative towards them, and being passive aggressive. No, asking for a Gank isn't toxic. Doing it in a jerk way is.
Also the types of players who play league are not different than who play other games, yet Overwatch and League of Legends are apparently the only ones with a huge 'toxicity' problem. Hmm... I wonder why?
Chermorg (NA)
: See, you *are* being toxic by doing that. You're constantly blaming them, being negative towards them, and being passive aggressive. No, asking for a Gank isn't toxic. Doing it in a jerk way is.
I disagree, you knowingly go into a competitive environment and therefore have expectations to reach. The toxic behavior is not in reasonable negative feedback, its the reaction to the negative feedback. Its not blame, rather than addressing the problem directly since they cannot do so themselves. Then when they don't, you get justifiably irritated. League is unique in that any sort of negative feedback is met with 'ree', any sort of team environment AT ALL is the opposite of what we have here. Youre trying to cut off the guy reacting to the negative player expecting the result to change. You're putting masking tape over a bigger issue, because they are going to continue to be like this and provoke another player, and another, and another. You know that flamers are usually the best players. Im talking the 'aggressors', not the ones getting negative feedback then flaming people for it. They ADDRESS the problems. I'd 100% rather have a full team of flamers and win most games than the snowflakes and lose, because ultimately, at the end the mute problem solves one, while nothing solves the other.
: {{item:3087}} {{item:3094}} (high burst magic damage) his Q is a 3 second hard crowd control his E is a soft crowd control that silences the opponents fiddlesticks does not play like most mages anyway most people want mages for crowd control and magic damage, which crittlesticks easily provides
Youre seriously trying to pass off static shiv and rapid fire cannon as adequate magic burst to be considered a mage This is the biggest attempt at semantics ive ever seen. I'm speechless.
: What is the greatest possible benefit of "calling out" someone? Possibility 1: They were trying to play their best and now they're annoyed at you. Possibility 2: They were trolling for a reaction and now they're encouraged to troll another 20 games. > [{quoted}](name=JHINTICLES,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=I8FH0VOq,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-24T18:02:18.164+0000) > > Lee Sin and Viktor were both encouraging them to keep feeding! People troll to get negative reactions. You were the one encouraging them to int feed.
Justified personal ranting? League of legends is the EXCLUSIVE gaming environment (period, not just PC, all other pc games are not like this) where negative feedback in any form is considered toxic. This game ironically has to be a safespace and any violation is met with REEEEEEEEEEEE
: The talker is worse. They make the teammate that’s doing poorly want to do worse and lose while also bringing the rest of the team down at the same time. Having someone not do well sucks and all, but when chat is empty they usually will get tired of the grey screen and try to farm it out while the other 4 have a chance to carry.
Theres a difference though. The talker can be solved by a push of a button. While the player is bringing down 4 other people and theres nothing to do about it.
: "inting" has become a slang term at this point rather than a definitional word.
You are willingly matching yourself with random players in a competitive environment and not living up to expectations that are given to everyone. This is entirely your fault. Just because its a video game doesn't make it any different, it's just the same as if you were playing badly in a sport and not doing well. You chose to work with a team, but because they can't choose to remove you then you are given a higher expectation. You are CHOOSING to be in this environment and you are ACCEPTING the expectations. Any flame you recieve for not doing so is entirely your fault.
: crowd control heavy champion with multiple defensive abilities and high base stats? tank although it would be annoying, the game is pretty much already lost if a player has to make demands
Oh yea? If I build full AD crit fiddlesticks does that make me a mage? No.
: But I didn’t int. I was a positive and well behaved team player. I participated in team fights and fought to secure objectives. I was a useless piece of meat but tried my best. Idk if I’m the one who’s toxic here, you’re the guy calling me a POS. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
No, as i said before, you picked something terrible on purpose in spite to get enjoyment out of making him flame. If you are actually trying to make a respectable pick then the whole point of this post entirely is gone, by you MAKING THIS POST you go against your own argument
: >toxic piece of shit >inting you have become your own enemy... also, this would be annoying, but a player that "demands" another player to play in a certain way is not justified nor is it not toxic and they will probably tilt the match or lose regardless also, don't bring up the off-meta debates because noone "forced" a role there, they just picked a different playstyle while attempting to win with clear results
No, he purposefully picked something he knew he would do terribly in, then used 'I tried!' as a feint to justify his griefing, end of story. If he didn't pick something poor deliberately he would not have made this post. Thats the entire point.
: And I’d defy that person every time. Or maliciously comply. Whatever feels best at the time, everyone is different.
so congratulations! youre a toxic piece of shit. Idk why everyone is upvoting you. Guess inting is now justifiable because 'it feels good'
Rioter Comments
: I mean, I can handle someone banning my declared champ. It’s happened many times, and I’ve dealt with it. But verbally telling me what champ I can’t play, and then commading me to play the type of champ he demands or he’ll report me... well Riot wants us to work as a team. He got a tank.
If you choose to only play a D tier top all the time and do so badly so much to warrant someone banning that champion, you clearly do need someone else to tell you what to do.
: I played an off meta champion as best I could. I even declined the surrender vote to try and make a come back for him. He told me what he wanted me to play, and I didn’t want to get reported. R/maliciouscompliance {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
Thats not malicious compliance. Thats attempting to phrase griefing in a way that its not.
: “Sorry I’m banning your declared champion, but...”
I dont care what your reasoning was, griefing an entire team because someone banned your champ is bullshit. And you post on your smurf because you want something to hide behind
: I'm gonna get downvoted, but I think strong 1v1 champs are perfectly capable of solo carrying solo Q. Pub stomp champions. Assassins, strong bruisers, etc. The champs people constantly complain are bad. But in most of my solo Q games, if there is one champ that is hard carrying, 1v9, it generally falls into that category. A Fizz that is dominating, an Irelia, etc. If I have someone legit 1v9 hard carrying, they are typically one of those champs. The kind of champs that can go push/do whatever they want and kill anyone 1v1 who shows up, and possibly 1v2+. They might not always be the best at teamfighting, but in my experience most games in solo Q is just skirmishes anyways. On topic, I do agree JG is good role. Especially if you play one of the stronger carry-type champs. Hell, I played VI yest and there was a 20-8 Twitch. 20-8 folks. If I clicked R on him, he died. I actually won the game by clicking R on him in the last fight. I think someone like Kha is really good, too.
1v1 champions are irrelevant when the most important lane always sticks as 2
Rioter Comments
: Lots of what you just said again was opinion or a *creative* interpretation of a fact. I'm not going to hold your hand all night and go back and forth point for point with you. You speak in too many absolutes about things you clearly have the barest knowledge of. You would make a good sith.
You're trying to use your own naivety as argumentative fuel. It doesnt work.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hibeki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=csrjp00Y,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-24T20:13:48.866+0000) > > But its not usually open for debate, this game has *objectively* gone downhill over the past few years. The number of people open to playing games has steadily increased while the number of viewers of league and players of league has completely stagnated if not decreased. > Subjective, I enjoy League every season more than the last. > Riot has completely given up on balancing for the public servers and will balance for only LCS. This is fact, don't even attempt to argue it. > Not true. This barely requires a counterargument at all, but just for example that they buff things like garen who will never see lcs play should be enough to demonstrate that they don't just balance for LCS. > They continue to push shit off the testing servers saying its something its not, and what a surprise, the stuff we thought would be problems end up being problems every single time. Inaccurate, public opinions of pbe balance are hit and miss at best. Public opinion is what got stuff like rework skarner way over buffed on pbe and forced us to suffer through that for a few patches until it got nerfed. > > I think that it should be used as opinions to a point, but when a champion boasts a 90% banrate and a 55% winrate I think its safe to say them being broken isn't opinion anymore. Also subjective and/or lacking definitive evidence. For arguments sake, there could be a champion that kills every other champion in the game in one auto attack but isn't allowed to to auto attack if anyone on the enemy team has a specific rune page setup. If 45% of the time that this champion gets played someone on the enemy team remembers to use the rune page then the champ would win 55% of it's games and lose the rest because of the nature of its kit. It would likely be banned 90% of the time because players don't want to use the shitty random rune page they have to use to not lose to the champ and don't trust their teamates to bite the bullet and take it either. There: instant 90% banrate, 55% winrate champion that is actually extremely easy to defeat with appropriate countermeasures. This is of course a theoretical example but it demonstrates the point that champions can exist who have high winrates and banrates but can be dealt with easily if you just know how to deal with them and are willing to do so. That such a situation is theoretically possible proves that your 'its safe to say' statement is false. TLDR: literally nothing you said here was accurate.
A) Despite whether you like it or not, this game is shown by statistics to not be attracting new players and slowly losing old ones. For a game that is still in progress and receiving of updates, this is not a 'kind let go' of a memory, this is frustration causing people to quit. You liking the game or not has absolutely no impact on whether the game is going downhill. You might like the direction the game is going, but its very clear its in a direction most people would rather steer away from. If the game was still going great, you'd see more people coming in than more people quitting. B) Dude even in the most recent update cycle they have even *SAID* they are primarily balancing for LCS. This entire mage update is for LCS. C) Public opinion in PTE is almost exactly the same is Live. It's not a special mindset of players. They rarely listen to them, but rather consult their 'data' for the answers (yet conveniently never share the data). Every single time there has been a questionable update on pbe go to live, exactly all of the things we said were going to be wrong went wrong. The most recent and extreme example being the Kai'Sa changes. People said she was super overbuffed, it went live, turned out she was super overbuffed. Nerf came in, people said it wasnt enough, it went live, turned out it wasnt enough. D) This is a competitive primary game. Bans are made not because not because of fun playstyles or irritating playstyles. It is 100% reflective of a kit performing too well in some regard. Even in your example, that is a broken champion. Unbeatable in one scenario, unplayable in another. Not a healthy design and obviously needs fixing, with the ban rate reflecting that. You are using your own opinions as counterpoints for statistics and things that aren't even theories, rather proven subjects. Nothing I have said here is opinion. These are well established facts that have been proven over the course of years and will continue to be proven. League of Legends is not the god game and riotgames is not the god company. It is not the exception of every rule and every pattern is followed for the same reasons the same pattern is followed in other games. Riot Games engages in shady practice just like *literally every coporation in existence* and to say everything about this game is perfect is childish and naive.
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Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: If assassins kill ADCs, and supports avoid that to happen...
Because zed's just gonna get shit on from the range advantage and be down CS the entire game
Xonra (NA)
: They dunk you, so you chase to fight, now you are in their minion wave, low, and their cds come up and they kill you. I fail to see how this logic works unless you also have LB burst to follow up that is as easy to land and THEN the same ability to back off that she has.
Exactly, honestly all it would take for lb to finish you is a few autos with ignite and the minions will do the rest
: Some things should be stated as opinions or as personal experiences, rather than as facts
But its not usually open for debate, this game has *objectively* gone downhill over the past few years. The number of people open to playing games has steadily increased while the number of viewers of league and players of league has completely stagnated if not decreased. Riot has completely given up on balancing for the public servers and will balance for only LCS. This is fact, don't even attempt to argue it. They continue to push shit off the testing servers saying its something its not, and what a surprise, the stuff we thought would be problems end up being problems every single time. I think that it should be used as opinions to a point, but when a champion boasts a 90% banrate and a 55% winrate I think its safe to say them being broken isn't opinion anymore.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Sorry Hibeki but I see that nowhere. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Hibeki You have 1 time in ranked you had a 3 and 3. It was 3 losses into 3 wins. Also looking at your Tier graph you have mostly trended up the ladder, consistently rising over time.
The pattern was placed in such a way i got the losses after the promos. Still stupid. Also you have a whopping 15 games recorded to judge your sample size from.
: ***
No its well established you can get a crazy amount of AD with just three items one being rageblade. Auto some creeps and bam. Your argument just doesnt have any merit to it. Any attempt to label this interaction balanced let alone intended is ridiculous
: ***
Except you cannot have 2 AD on anyone other than Jhin. Even if you could, they wouldn't be building crit. 2.2k AD x2.25 (IE crit) is most certainly going to one shot any non tank in the game
: thats not what I mean. thats not how probability works Normally your win/loss pattern should look like fliping a coin. Example: WLLWWLLWLWWLLWLWLLWW (to clarify, your winrate can still be higher or lower than 50%, I am just talking about the pattern) But in reality you get streaks of winning and loosing. Example: WWWLLLLWWWWLLLWWLLLW This is what people are complaining about when they mean winstreak/loosingstreak
My cases are usually more extreme. WWWWWLLLLLLWWWWWLLLLWLWLWWWLLL etc.
Kai Guy (NA)
: When did Inting stop meaning intentionally feeding?
Bout 4 seasons ago. Any behavior that would encompass bringing a loss despite knowing so is considered inting
Kai Guy (NA)
: How does match maker Predict that some one will int? note that you say its every game. So fine, lets look at them. Lets see most recent game, your urgod. I approve. Lets look at the enemy team as they lost, who was the int player. dam... most their team has very high deaths 5,5,6,7,7 . Ok lets head to OP GG then see if we can get a time line of this game to see if any 1 player threw it away early. "3 min -GravesKilledHibeki First Blood 03:01 3 min GravesKilledHibeki" err... you... you died.... you died first? then you died a 2nd time in less then 1 min after that? Then you end up with a 3rd death the that same player 6 min later? Guess its good Graves ran it down mid and feed your talon hella kills... Oh wait no, your talon roamed top killed the 2-0 graves then roamed bottom 2 min later to kill him a 2nd time. Checking the rest of that team. The Xayah? won with cait last match also has some 60% wins on cait. Cant really see how it would predict her to be the worst person in the game. The mid ashe? Thats off meta, got to be a troll. oh wait game befor 7 / 4 / 3. Janna mundo? negitive, no trends i can see that would allow me to predict hey this persons gonna int or throw a match. Prehapse your exaggerating on the amount of games decided by some moron inting?
That was a team effort. Quite literally 3/4ths of their team inted that game. We won that game. You know why? Because when our team is killing T2 turret bottom, and im farming top with an *undamaged turret* they still sent the entire team up there. I told my team "Dont bother coming up, go do other stuff and just take it for free" And sure enough, they did, and we won. We won because the enemies quite literally inted. Just because their deathcount wasnt as high doesnt mean it wasn't inting.
: "Forced 50% WR" is just a result of reaching your peak.
I disagree most games is not a matter of slight skill level or evenly matched, every game is usually dictated by some moron inting. Every. Single. Game. Doesnt matter what team they are on. Saying 'youve peakd' when thats the decided factor is just bs imo
Rioter Comments
: Why does Warwick W passive not work as described?
I would be fine with making his W so much more clear and consistent if they took off some power from Q. And I love warwick by the way, not really calling for nerfs. I liked that on release you could choose the style of maxing Q, W, or E first (I like to max W) But now its just Q every time
BoianV (EUNE)
: Silence doesn't work. Letting him use it while CCed destroys the only counterplay he has, though. And it's not like Kayle, Taric and Ekko, whose ults do similar things, are able to be use them while under CC.
Hey just needs a rework. The counterplay to him is so negligably easy to the point where he becomes LITERALLY useless. Im not talking 'not performing well', im talking literal useless with any amount of kite whatsoever.
Saïx (OCE)
: tanks are the necessary response to strong bot lanes
Anything other than nerfing bot lane is an unnecessary response to strong bot lanes
: Wanna know the truth? Riot just doesn’t want tanks too be the popular class in top lane. They are trying to make it bruiser/fighters because those classes have more solo carry potential Tanks don’t solo carry; they team carry
>Doesnt want tanks to be popular top >makes the only playable tops tanks for 3 seasons I see a gap in logic
: Nationalism IS NOT fascism. Jesus christ dude, imma leave you to do you.
>Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, >a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, >radical authoritarian nationalism, >authoritarian nationalism, >***nationalism***
: Yeah, sure. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8d04r6/tyler1_reacts_to_latest_janna_nerfs/ Look at the comments.
They can't remove thousands of comments. Removing the post wouldn't be fair because apparently a streamer reacting to patch notes is actual content.
Hozenb (NA)
: Maybe you can show us your post. Even though you linked it in another comment, but the content in that post was deleted and we can't view it.
That was the second post, which the mods promptly removed as well as the first one. The post was to a revised version which was taken down as a 'repost'
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