: garen changes when?{{champion:86}}
garen changes when? {{champion:86}}
Abicien (NA)
: Did the Garen update not happen? {{champion:86}}
no. they said they plan to target the release on 9.20 :(. they even removed many elements including onhit effects and reducing E as ratio
mkwstar (EUW)
: 1: The buildpath is awkward for many champions that would like to use BC, part of the problem is that Phage feels very underwhelming in comparison to other items in a similiar price range (namely Sheen for 150g less or Tiamat) 2: Conqueror and BC, both designed towards usage from bruisers, have bad synergy with each other. True damage and armor reduction do the same job in theory, but do not actually help each other. 3: Many champions which have historically used Black Cleaver are slowly going to Trinity Force instead (namely {{champion:122}}, {{champion:114}}, even {{champion:86}}!) A small tip I could give is to empower the "Rage" passive and work from there. Rage was strong back in the day when mobility was less prevalent and MS was more important. At the same time, true damage becomes more and more common in the game, so naturally the usefulness of Black Cleaver (and armor-shredding in general) becomes weaker over time.
As a Garen S2 OTP, point #3 hits its on the head.
: yeah and while they are it they should fix {{item:3092}} it gives 25% manareg but {{item:3098}} already gives 50%
bingo, that's the one worth talking about.. i don't usually upgrade it as some supports really need the mana reg and it's better to spend the other 950g on other stuff.
: > It actually is pretty free. Now, yes. I was talking before. Reading comprehension.... > Almost no champions took the movement speed Quints pre runes reforged. Singed, Garen, Mordekaiser, Annie, depending on match-ups. And that's only for the champs I personally played. I'm sure there are others. > And how is it weak? It's weakER. Because Celerity gives 3% MS and old MS Quint gave 4.5 and, you know, 3 is less than 4.5. Basic math... > how it's being taken the majority of the time over the other options Yeah, which it shouldn't, I agree with that. Which is why I **asked** for it to be a bigger trade-off. I don't want *everyone* taking it. But I do want the option to trade something for more MS if I want/need to. **Trade**, not be given for free, but still, this is an important option and it needs to be preserved. So don't be an ass, and try to understand what other people actually say before replying to them.
As a garen main since s2, True, True, and true. Good job.
: I really enjoy the route you guys are going in regards to true damage on IE, but as a bruiser player, we itemize alot of health, even more so than tanks, and I feel that % hp true damage is a bit to relevant in the game right now. And I feel that the intention was to combat tanks, where it's a fair mechanic, but it ends up really hurting the Garens, Kleds, or any bruiser who builds alot of HP and little stats like Titanic, Sterraks. Any thoughts on this, it's extremely frusterating going against someone with % hp true damage as these champs due to lack of counterplay because they double dip since we also have only base resists.
THANK YOU for stating the shit like it is! {{champion:86}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:86}}
DrLuau (NA)
: Since you've already changed the {{champion:86}} W buff, and also seem to want to remove the Trigage synergy, can you maybe look into giving Garen some extra power since he will be hard hit by any change to the Sterak's + Triforce interaction?
We {{champion:86}} players are like a band of brothers. CTRL+F garen comments to bring awareness to his stale state and revert him to former glory.
: I would like to hear what's Riot's current opinion on {{champion:86}} , is he fine, is he in need of work, and if so, what areas are they looking to hit, and what priority is he on. He has been steadily going downhill since runes reforged, he doesn't synergize well with any keystone. Even his best one, Grasp, he doesn't use it any more effectively than say Darius, and Darius doenst even use Grasp.
Finally a way to voice our concern over garen's less than optimal state. I hope this gets traction..
: Patch 8.8 Notes
"FIXED a bug that was causing gemstones to drop 5% more often than intended." - Woah there fella...seems like you're having a bit TOO MUCH FUN! -also, FIX/rework/delete {{champion:86}} please. just acknowledge he exists.
: All they need to do is revert the juggernaut nerfs. Before the Juggernaut rework Garen wasn't stomping high elo or low elo and there were several high profile play Garen players. The best part was his 2.5 sec silence. People are complaining about not being able to stick to the enemy......well....there's your answer. Give Garen that back and immediately when you're on top of someone they don't get to escape 1 second later and kite you. Problem solved. Oh yes and he had a better base MS back then too. And needing his E early damage then having constant damage creep for the next 24 months across the board doesnt help either.
basically bring back old garen... i wish I feel like riot made it clear they passed on the garen-ship as evident by their rune decision making in the (fighter patch 8.6) and as such (and i know GC work philosophy since WoW days) so i'll just sit this one out for the sake of my mental energy.
: Predator or Glacial Augment both work well with Garren depending on the comp.
LOL Voli and Mao aren't nearly as simple as Garen and they aren't intended to be a player's first introduction to the game like Garen is; Teemo, Annie, Ashe, Amumu, and Soraka are all in the same boat. yea, that was relevant news in season 1-2 not season 8 . and trust me, you need to get all E ticks w/q to do 80% of voli dmg in QE. Garen needs good movement, macro awareness and some skill to keep his dmg optimal. While others "im assuming some are already in your pool of rosters" do the same and more with 2-3 targeted abilities without any movement input. what i'm assuming is that you're gonna read riot description on what they say is beginner only As how they also say blitz is a tank and thresh was meant for mid. remember that? basically what i'm trying to convey here, don't listen to the riot on whats good or bad and rather listen to actual people with experience (over 6 years) in the subject and try to draw common conclusions that may allight with your point of view. Unless your point of view revolves around meta blocks of text.
: garen is designed to be an easy to learn champ for new players, not to be too viable for advanced players as then his simple kit would be too op in higher ranks
Thanks for the highly political answer that has been used for many champs during the early seasons. Also, aren't you that silver kha that goes jungle electrocute?? And YOU think garen is easy to learn? 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: But, Garen uses Conquerer well. It applies to spell damage, aka spins
"hey man, conqueror is good, it works on 1 out of 4 garen spells!" Also, you can use it every 8-6 sec SO YOU HAVE TONS OF UPTIME! it's exactly like how zed works with electricute too! ohh i forgot to tell you i don't really play garen much, i'm just typing a silly comment towards many, many (6+ years) Garen mains here.
: Conquerer is poorly utilized on Garen. It is very unwieldy for him to use in many scenarios. Garen has low synergy with most runes because he has - no dashes, no poke, auto attacks very little, and has no hard CC. The best runes require you to do one of these things and he can do none of them. Garen needs buffs.
Most people rejected "MarineRevenges'" message. They hated him because he told them the truth. then they starting opening op their book of "TALKING POINTS" *easy to learn champ for new player not meant to be ACTUALLY GOOD *Try other champs/runes *~~not my problem ~~(opps this was meant for the actual U.S. House of reps.)
: > There are alot of problems in aram, Riots busy with other things.
like updating garen before 2025
: It used to be Dark Harvest+Triumph that was broken.
DH PoM for specific mana-hungry casters DH tri for assassins/bruisers
: **Please disable the new Presence of Mind in ARAM.** Presence of Mind is going to be a "must-have" / ruiner of ARAM. As there are many more take-downs in a shorter period of time, this will grant poke champions essentially infinite mana (basically the old morellonomicon passive for free) and incredibly low cooldown ultimates. Couple this with a tear and Ziggs, Velkoz, Veigar, Lux, Fiddlesticks, Xerath etc are going to be even more oppressive being able to cast non-stop. It's bad enough that every champion, with tanks and mages included take Dark Harvest if they can abuse it.
ur late, been doing the old PoM for a while now with ones like {{champion:96}} infinite AP ult or {{champion:38}} jumps or even {{champion:30}} .
: Predator or Glacial Augment both work well with Garren depending on the comp.
The fact that you're telling the "marine revenge" how to play garen shows how deep the problem goes. No one will understand this issue until they have mained garen since s1-s2 and have experienced the game as it was. all i'm hearing is the same "garen is designed to be an easy to learn champ for new players, not to be too viable for advanced players as then his simple kit would be too op in higher ranks" BS statement (would i like to remind you voli and maokai are a thing)
: garen is designed to be an easy to learn champ for new players, not to be too viable for advanced players as then his simple kit would be too op in higher ranks
{{champion:122}} "his {{champion:3}} simple {{champion:59}} kit {{champion:54}} would {{champion:57}} be {{champion:106}} too {{champion:75}} op {{champion:20}} in {{champion:14}} higher {{champion:48}} ranks {{champion:58}} "
: Patch 8.7 notes
solid starting points for season 8... but they're still starting points at halfway through s8. I remember hearing about fighter runes at 8.6, 8.8 pbe is upon us and no signs of {{champion:86}} supportive runes nor kit to compete in this meta. or for that matter many many other champions.
: If I only didn't need a Laptop, then I would so sign up. {{sticker:sg-janna}}
shit, i thought they had a LAN venue.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fyji,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A81V0fIO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-10T05:48:39.084+0000) > > A+ for effort and artistic license, but he's still an unkillable monster if he's built right. silver and bronze maybe. realisitcally he needs some buffs. especially sine a lot of other top lane bruisers have received buffs aswell.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A81V0fIO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-10T18:39:47.810+0000) > > silver and bronze maybe. > > realisitcally he needs some buffs. especially sine a lot of other top lane bruisers have received buffs aswell. yup... Then i played J4 top and rekt camille and was like..ohh wow is this real? Garen does need it
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Sparkle (NA)
: I hear ya. We're going to be doing a pass on all the rune stats (sorry, this has to be Soon TM one b/c I don't have an exact date) to go through and see what's working and what's not. So adding, removing, changing the in game stats and end of game stats. Ravenous has by far been the most requested for stat expansion.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XYELbllj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-09T21:01:37.166+0000) > > I hear ya. We're going to be doing a pass on all the rune stats (sorry, this has to be Soon TM one b/c I don't have an exact date) to go through and see what's working and what's not. So adding, removing, changing the in game stats and end of game stats. Ravenous has by far been the most requested for stat expansion. ™ +alt 0153
: Chrysalis is a joke.
> [{quoted}](name=DragonShea,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=417Eo8G0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-09T10:40:29.485+0000) > > Chrysalis is a joke. Agree, they're appeasing to what left of celestial body into a Rune slot that is already dominated by Second wind/conditioning. Can we get some masteries for champs like garen? can they be perfectly fitting like it is for let's say Jarvan?
: Patch 8.4 notes
Good Night Dear Celestial Body, you will be greatly missed :'(
iPav (NA)
: Teemo bugs/patch 7.24b
Good catch, hope it gets addressed soon. - {{champion:86}}
: Bitch I don't want no preseason rewards. Let me change region!! >:(
what if i'm....... **U N R A N K E D ** {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
: MF with W max can alternate love taps all game long with the steroid constantly maxed. Call her D tier if you want. Top deeps in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing.
even full CDR AP with liandry can do.
: Why can't we just have regular urf. I know countless people who loved old urf and hate this all random. It doesn't fix the problem of op champs and the best part of old urf was being able to pick the champs you wanted to play to try stuff out. I am incredibly disappointed.{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
With all the waves of people agreeing with URF over ARURF You'd think it would be URF This time a year, but I have a feeling that Riot already knew it but had other reasons why ARURF was implemented over URF. The question is, who do i ask to confirm this?
: I actually enjoy ARURF... it lets me try things I wouldn't otherwise get to...
Like how to NOT try any champion you want in URF. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: I also advocate for old URF. I'd rather deal with the problem of old URF rather than the problems of new ARURF. Atleast everyone got to play who they wanted. If too many champs are OP in URF, then this is a good mode to try out those 5 bans per team (an idea I remember seeing in the comments months ago).
Although I've been mostly playing ARAM for the past several years, I have to agree with your point. There are champs that are NOT meta even in URF that i want to try (AP {{champion:59}} ) And i don't mind others hogging "op champs" as long as there a ban phase.
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