: Why can someone ban a teammate's champion in champion select lobby?
Because I hate this dude {{champion:157}} , and I don't want the enemy team to get him. So, if you're not first pick or your win rate is garbage with him, I will ban him
: Creating a more healthy and balanced Pyke, starting with his Arrr!
You clearly put a lot of work into this! I appreciate that. I feel like the real target that should be touched is his safety
: Can we make certain On-Screen Visuals optional? (Ex: Teemo Q Blind making the screen green)
Although I really like the change. I think any visual "noise" should be optional
: I wouldnt say it is. Most builds cost around 14k-17k range. Assassins fall off late so their items costing less gives them a chance to have a small window of opportunity to build their lead.
So maybe his window is too safe? So maybe double gold is too much in light off the rest of his kit?
: 14,300 gold is what your full build is. Level 12 for a support is roughly 25-27 mins into the game. The fact that you have 27 kills and 12 asssits is equal to 9060 gold. You're looking at 58 cs for around 1015 gold not including cannons. Thats 10.6k gold of your build right there. You earned 4671.6 ambient gold. (The excess amount coming from either kills or farming more casters than melee minions). Now im sure you got kills after hitting full build but my point is majority of the gold you earned would be the same as it wouldve been on any other champion so using this "full build" example to make a point about pyke being overloaded has is flawed. 25/38= 66% so we'll take 66% of kills cs and assists 25 mins in ambient gold = 3060 gold 18 kills = 5400 gold 8 assists = 640 gold 38 cs = 665 gold support item gold quest = 500gold 1 gold/10 seconds = 150 gold total gold = 10,415 gold 27/38= 71% 27 mins 3305 gold 19 kills = 5700 gold 9 assists= 720 gold 41 cs = 720 gold 500g support 9item 162g/10 passive total = 11,107 gold this isnt counting first blood which you did get, turret plating, and tower gold, lets assume 3 plates even tho i really think you took turret earlier than that to get that high of a kp we'll assume 3 plates for 240g and the turret for 120g we'll also assume 6 towers taken (all enemy outside towers) 50*6 = 300g and 1 baron =300g 240+120+300+300+100g= 1060g 25 min gold total = 11475 gold 27 min gold total = 12,167 gold Now you spent 14.3k. Assuming we've hit the right kills assists and cs you've gotten by this time i can safely assume that you had a few shutdowns in your kill list too which added around 1k with other facts like first turret. Any champion wouldve earned 11-12k gold within this timeframe so roughly 12-13k with the shutdowns and any other turrets you've helped/taken. I still cant see how this proves pyke is overloaded could reach the same amount of in this time given the kills and assists you had in this game.
Wow! I really appreciate the time you took to break this down. Is CDR/Lethality too affordable then?
: I often wonder if I belong in diamond
Same. every time i think im getting better. I'll eventually play against someone who is so absurdly better than me, and then cry. Look at their profile 524246 games played in D4.
: > [{quoted}](name=RebeccaUCuber,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-17T08:21:23.677+0000) > > well, a 20% wr snowballed its game...how's possible? this man is playing normals. not ranked. thus he is going against people of varying skill levels, unlike ranked (hopefully). he probably got matched against some lower elo bot lane and got insanely fed. a 20 wr is not a good argument to nerf a champ lmao
Snowball isnt the problem Gold amounts to make me full build at level 12 is the problem
: Where i do feel pyke is overloaded, your support for your claim is terrible using a single game as evidence because i could just as easily go to your profile look up your 1-5 pyke game and say "see he needs buffs because he was a non factor this game"
It's not the game itself. It's being full build at level 12. I'm not denying that pyke is unable to int on. I'm saying is gold generation is too much, especially in light of the rest of his kit
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T17:14:31.623+0000) > > You're clearly a Pyke player, and thats fine, but his kit is overloaded. No i idnt play pyke for a long time now, I mostly play Leona and Naut. And no his kit is not overloaded, its just that season 9 players dont want to learn the game. You know whats overloaded? When a champ has stuff in its kit that makes no sense gameplay wise. Example: Yasuo having double crit and shield he gets by walking and him getting 50% armor pen and a full shield. There is no logical reason from the gameplay perspective to give him those things. Pyke getting extra gold on ult kill makes sense. Imagine if we completely removed Cut from his ult. He could still execute enemies but there would be a few problems: 1. Teammates that actually need kills wouldnt get that extra gold from letting Pyke a kill 2. Wouldnt get enough gold to buy items he needs, which are usually meant for solo lanes, which are more expensive 3. He doesnt benefit much from regular supp items because none of them give extra ad, and he cant get extra HP from items. 4. Technically speaking it would be pointless to allow pyke to kill enemies with his ult. Which is why he needs that extra gold from ulti. It's what makes him useful as a support. Wanna get rid of that? Okay then, but give him back his waveclear. Otherwise there would be no point in picking him. > So because I don't play a lot of ranked I can't want a balanced game? I still play it, but the whole point is i WANT to enjoy it. And thats the problem. You want to enjoy the game. Enjoyment is subjective. If you put enjoyment/fun in front of balance you will have champs like TK being completely gutted even when he was already weak as a support because casual player want to have fun by taking anything they want and brute force the laning phase and win every time. Which is something TK didnt allow because of his kit and how riot changed him to be good at fighting. And despite TK being able to be countered, because top laners didnt "enjoy" playing vs him, riot gutted him even more. Because of this, he's now a dead champ. If you think gutting champs to the point they're a troll pick is "balance", then you know shit about balance. All in all you dont want balance, you want to "enjoy the game" YOUR WAY, without considering how would that actually affect the champ. And because riot listened people like you we're now in this damage burst meta.
Wanting balance=/=wanting to enjoy the game only my way I want champions to have clear weaknesses and strengths I want champions to have clear powerspikes I want champions to have clear windows of risk and reward You're a huge fan of the "straw man" technique. No one said remove "your cut" Just remove Pyke from getting "your cut" just give him the kill gold, and the adc the cut. The double gold is the problem.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Because the guy came to the boards to complain about pyke and rakan.
I was tracking until the Rakan rant
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T16:23:41.623+0000) > > Yeah, I had a kid a couple years ago. So i really just have time to get to my old rank and then tag out. If I'm the common Plat player, then absolutely, the quality of plat players is really low. In all honesty, the chances of me staying plat if I actually played ranked would be low because I just don't have time (or the want to) to be really good at the game. I like playing too many different champs and norms with friends. You dont have time to play ranked but you have time to play norms and complain about a champ because you had 1 game where you popped off. Interesting. > All that being said, I don't know why anything (outside of making yourself feel better) about my own personal rank has to do with the important part of my post. Even in a game when I went 44-4 as J4, I didn't hit full build until level 16-17. Pyke's gold income (in conjunction with the other parts of his kit) is unneeded, too easy to access, and too easy to proc. And? Would you be able to be full build at min 12 if you were even or behind the enemy laners? No you wouldnt. You got fed an were able to get items early on because of it. As it should be. Youre just complaining for the sake of complaining. Besides, since youre only sticking to norms, why do you care about champ balance? Just play the game and enjoy with your friends.
I don't know man. LIke I said, it's ludicrous that any champ could be full build by level 12. I don't know how else to explain that. You're clearly a Pyke player, and thats fine, but his kit is overloaded. So because I don't play a lot of ranked I can't want a balanced game? I still play it, but the whole point is i WANT to enjoy it.
Barso55 (NA)
: Vayne is absolute bullshit
If you think she's bad Pyke is gonna blow your mind.
: easy mode with 20% winrate {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
I don't know that winrate is a good barometer of how "easy" a champ is. I have a much higher winrate with GP and he's much more difficult. Ease of kit use =/=Freelo Overloaded=/= Free win Overloaded= Overloaded and frustrating
: Considering you also have a jarvan game as 44/4 im going to assume you were playing in a custom game :)
Also, Even in the game when I went 44-4 as J4, I didn't hit full build until level 16-17.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T14:18:31.444+0000) > > 100% would not be. > Zed is absolutely more difficult to rack kills and gold up on. My point is the kill gold is too much, especially in light of the rest of his kit. Yea it is..if you kill a lot of people, which for a plat like youself aint hard when you go on norms and body dogshit players xD Do that in ranked several times and then come back.... if you actually have balls to do it since you stopped playing ranked as soon as you hit plat 4 hahaha Quality of plat players is rly low these days huh? Back is season 7 and before we didnt have whiners like you in silver, let alone plat. Truly depressing.
Yeah, I had a kid a couple years ago. So i really just have time to get to my old rank and then tag out. If I'm the common Plat player, then absolutely, the quality of plat players is really low. In all honesty, the chances of me staying plat if I actually played ranked would be low because I just don't have time (or the want to) to be really good at the game. I like playing too many different champs and norms with friends. All that being said, I don't know why anything (outside of making yourself feel better) about my own personal rank has to do with the important part of my post. Even in a game when I went 44-4 as J4, I didn't hit full build until level 16-17. Pyke's gold income (in conjunction with the other parts of his kit) is unneeded, too easy to access, and too easy to proc.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T05:19:23.215+0000) > > 12 minutes.... > > > That used to only be remotely possible on draven, but now youre saying any higher elo player can play any champ and do that? > > > Okay, go smurf with {{champion:223}} in norms , try to get full build in 12 minutes. Learn to read ty. I never said you can play ANY champ and do that. I said this: > And he could reach full build with any assassin given the circumstances. And the circumstances are the following: - plat player - playing normal game - playing against lower elo players - 1 game only I'm pretty sure if we give this guy to play zed in this situation the outcome would be more or less the same.
100% would not be. Zed is absolutely more difficult to rack kills and gold up on. My point is the kill gold is too much, especially in light of the rest of his kit.
Bobovich (EUW)
: Riot designed Pyke to make support more appealing to ad assassin players, who would otherwise dodge/troll if auto-filled into support. Is Pyke a sack of design bullshit ? - Yes. Is an 'assassin support' a contradiction in terms ? - Yes. Are queue times reduced now because Pyke is available to players who would not normally accept the support rule ? - Who knows....
Those are really good points. I think we could make his kit challenging and still entertaining to play. I don't the 2 are exclusive
: Considering you also have a jarvan game as 44/4 im going to assume you were playing in a custom game :)
:( it wasn't a custom game though
: > [{quoted}](name=RebeccaUCuber,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-17T08:21:23.677+0000) > > well, a 20% wr snowballed its game...how's possible? this man is playing normals. not ranked. thus he is going against people of varying skill levels, unlike ranked (hopefully). he probably got matched against some lower elo bot lane and got insanely fed. a 20 wr is not a good argument to nerf a champ lmao
Exactly. Including my teammates ;)
: easy mode with 20% winrate {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
On a champ I don't know with friends on brand new accounts who don't know how to play the game yet. Pyke is literally too easy to mess up in a game where your teammates have brains and functioning hands.
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: Then play him up to Master+ Freelo? Maybe stream showing us how you climb! People complain about Pyke but jungle assassins that are the most toxic for me... I dont mind playing against Pyke ๐Ÿ˜… Like {{champion:121}} ๐Ÿคฎ
Hello! Overloaded doesn't mean he's freelo. Overloaded doesn't mean he solo carries Overloaded doesn't mean I'm not garbage. Overloaded means overloaded. It means his kit is so dummy proof and has so much going on that it's extremely frustrating to play against. It's a joke that anyone playing real people can be full build at level 12 their 3rd or 4th time playing a champ
: dude you literally have 20% wr with pyke...... IN NORMALS you have barely ever played pyke in ranked and i have to break it to u, a champion that is insanely fed will snowball pyke has trash engage, and he gets locked on and bursted very hard. yes, his passive needs a little nerf but the only reason his kit is good is because of his r reset
EXACTLY! No matter how garbage I am, he is literally easy mode. That's the whole point. His kit is so overloaded.
iDarkWind (EUW)
: Damn, did you just used as argument one normal game that you made where you got fed and carried? As much as I think that indeed Pyke is strong, lets actually make good argumentation here, ok? Why didn't you show for example the many games you actually have where you literally got smashed? https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Horse_Grenades At the moment of this post, this shows that you have overall 20% WR with Pyke in your last games. Before you having one win with him with an insane good KDA, you have 3 games where you lost and 2 of them you totally got smashed. I'll say it again: I think Pyke is in a need of a nerf. What I am literally saying is that your argument is terrible and does not prove anything. This post literally made to the front page because it's a "Nerf Pyke" Thread, and not because you made a valid point whatsoever.
I mean full build at level 12 as a support ( or any role) regardless of the mode or competition outside of bots is ludicrously overloaded
Rioter Comments
: ***
Clicked on this link just to watch boricCentaur1 defend pyke again.. new he'd be here.
: So..What exactly is Vayne and Caitlyn's roles now?
I agree that I think their should be clearer "power spikes" for all champs and roles, but also supports being busted makes it so hard to determine information from just statistics. If they bad vayne has as good pyke, they still win lane
: > [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lybXigNh,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-09-10T16:38:30.677+0000) > > Preternatural, everything you've said in this thread is so terribly ignorant, it's hard to even read. > It's too exhaustively wrong to even encourage anyone to correct you. ok i'm gonna go get this clip of skt's khan outplaying someone on akali. you tell me if he played it well or if his opponent played it like an idiot. i'm also gonna get you a clip of skt's clid outplaying khan on his akali pick. you are going to tell me if akali is strong off the back of that or if people just interact with her in stupid ways. fair?
Akali = Strong Akali= too safe Pyke= strong Pyke= too safe
: > [{quoted}](name=BongMage420,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lybXigNh,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-09T00:45:05.593+0000) > > Ya but you see the thing is, if you know her ult is on cooldown and she can be punished, then she CERTAINLY knows her dashes are on cooldown. She wont let you fondle her unless shes terrible. And Anivia has to at least land skillshots to avoid being punished. Or her wall can hold you off for like 1 second til you walk around it/dash over it. Newer champs just fly away or have extremely easy to land CC. she's melee, she's getting fondled and it will be on my terms i assure you of that. been playing for too long to be scared of assassins, the ones you should be scared of are juggernaughts and fighters. anivia with her range btw, if i get her egg down she doesn't actually have to interact with me while it's down, and i on the other hand have to use everything to interact with her. so this comparison doesn't fly, your dated ranged champs are safer by default and have far more utility.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lybXigNh,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-09T00:51:23.731+0000) > > she's melee, she's getting fondled and it will be on my terms i assure you of that. > been playing for too long to be scared of assassins, the ones you should be scared of are juggernaughts and fighters. > anivia with her range btw, if i get her egg down she doesn't actually have to interact with me while it's down, and i on the other hand have to use everything to interact with her. > so this comparison doesn't fly, your dated ranged champs are safer by default and have far more utility. Preternatural, everything you've said in this thread is so terribly ignorant, it's hard to even read. It's too exhaustively wrong to even encourage anyone to correct you.
: I can hold an 70% winrate in gold just fine and couldn't less about what their winrate were. High elo play doesn't seem the game because I'm low to but because League's current state Gold has more payers than Iron. If Gold is going to be your new average it doesn't speak well about your game.
> [{quoted}](name=HazeVictory,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c3FEdEYq,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-10T14:16:07.037+0000) > > I can hold an 70% winrate in gold just fine and couldn't less about what their winrate were. > He says, from his level 7 account
: Yi + fear...
Didn't you quit last week? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/wF5Xcl4r-i-quit
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: so a bruiser main then, I would still like to see that opgg though.
Moody P doesn't believe in posting on his main. He says he's D2. Obviously hiding
: > [{quoted}](name=Manxxom,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eF0pseA2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-16T17:55:58.525+0000) > > accurate. Factual.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eF0pseA2,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T17:58:09.534+0000) > > Factual. Faccurate
: Also, I want sharing your twitch channel to be a reportable offense. Nobody wants that XD, especially at my elo. I work for a living. If you are barely as good as me and play all day while I am working you are going no where in life.
Yeah! I hate people who aren't as good as me at things!
: Pyke to over tuned
The mental gymnastics I've seen Pyke mains do on these boards is astonishing.
eMsylf (EUW)
: Blademaster Fiora additional attacks do nothing?
I actually thought this same thing last night
: Let's make Riot's job a little bit easier.
Ithink {{champion:222}} E would be awesome. Lay 3 traps in 3 different spaces. it would make a big difference to people who placed her right.. {{champion:68}} This guys R
: Counterpicking hardly matters below masters lol, stop creating excuses.
Rioter Comments
: Being an ace doesn't really represent if you actually played well it just means you were the best of the worst not really a good trophy to hold but statistically if you keep up the consistency you will win a lot more than you lose
Meant to post this in Memes and Games
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Pika Fox (NA)
: Damage was fine then, damage is fine now. You left for no reason.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Do you want to say kat is low impact with a lead?
Honestly, depends on the comp, but sheโ€™s definitely not low impact. However, your team feeds Jax/Yi/ Irelia against Kat then your lease matters much less
Kai Guy (NA)
: Why does their lead mean something but yours does not?
I would say it depends what champion has the lead. Some champs are just a lot better than others
: People really don't seem to understand this game so I'm going to put this in big letters so it's easy to read: WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. WINNING YOUR LANE DOES NOT WIN YOU THE GAME. Just because Tahm can beat top laners 1v1 in lane doesn't mean he'll solo the carry the game. He can't. In fact, most top laners he beats will eventually out scale him and be more useful. Just because you can't kill Tahm in lane doesn't mean Tahm is broken. If the only way you know how to win the game is to snow ball with a bunch of kills then you're not actually good at the game. When you're matched against evenly skilled opponents you won't have a 10 kill lead in lane. What then? The same shit happens mid lane with most mages. They're safe because they have great wave clear and CC and if you dive them or get into their threat range they'll kill you. But it is entirely possible to play around this. One possible strategy is roaming.
I don't think anyone said that it wins you the game. I just prefer to actually play the game when I lane
: Remember when I said this weeks ago and I got downvoted into oblivion lol
If I remember right, you and I were talking about this earlier.
: Is Nocturne the worst champ in the current meta?
: He is tho
But in a more real way.. his laning is busted
: He's a fine toplaner and way more healthy than him as a supp aka running zhonyas Maybe he needs a slight number nerf, bust just that he's not problematic on toplane because he counters your main sorry Yeah yeah and ignore that the champs that counter him the most are melee toplaners I think goes against your narrative so you'll just ignore it Thank you Gameplay Boards for another great thread filled wiht ppl that wants to talk about balance
I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. There is no melee that wins against him. Win rate =/= winning lane. He is impossible to win lane against.
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Olaf, Mordekaiser, and Kled get 100% dumpstered by him until 3-4 items Singed loses if he gets hit with Q I honestly don't know about Maokai.
: He doesn't tho
Name melee that wins lane against him
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