: No, you didn't insult anyone, but you took one line: >I Surgical l: watch ur map and somehow expanded that to most of your chat log. I can understand saying the enemy jungler is at their blue, and to some extent "mid and top are fucked," but I don't see how any of the rest of your logs were helpful. And if you and another player are arguing about one event at the beginning of the game, then it's creating a negative experience for everyone in the game. I'd have to have muted you if you were in my game. Since you were permanently banned, then you likely had a 2-week suspension prior to this (I'm guessing very recently); if that's not the case, or you wish to speak with a Rioter regarding your suspension, then I'd make a [Support ticket](https://support.riotgames.com) or message them on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/RiotSupport).
It was my first 4 lines, and it should have been over after that. This wasnt an arguement they started insulting me and i defended myself... I Surgical l: wasnt a hoe I Surgical l: you made it a bigger deal than it had to be I Surgical l: idk what mong means sry - not 10 years old I Surgical l: pretty sure thats a racial slur for koreans or some sort Im being insulted and defending myself and my point not being aggressive, thank you for admitting that in the least. Ill paste what i already said: i get not responding to toxicity but trying to defend a point is something different - and getting punished for it is even more less human to be honest. Basically on LoL we should all just be robots and say you did great man keep up the good work - am i in 3rd grade rocket football or am i playing a competitive online game? To comment on what you said about the reporting - whats really bad is the /all vs the normal chat in almost 90% of cases that I've seen someone that is again the aggressor or the person you are giving that "tough love" to then starts in /all chat and then you get the opposite team reporting you for they don't even know why..which leads into Hakuna's comment. I got reported by the person insulting me, his friend and in this case the enemy team cause he asked them to and the person who couldnt just mute and play. You cant see the mids comments but its clear i was defensive.
zPOOPz (NA)
: Then why don't you post all 3 of those games, not just 1
Ultimately this was the game that flagged my perma ban, my 'third strike' if you will and the game i posted for discussion. Already openly admitted to being aggressive in my other logs and that i had received punishment for that.
sentosa (NA)
: "Let's not forget the time and $$ I've invested into your game" - so you're saying that by throwing money at a company you should be suddenly exempt from all punishment?
Never said that at all
: > [{quoted}](name=I Surgical l,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tPPUp0BZ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-08T18:55:23.663+0000) > > Been playing since beta man - when i started there was only 8 champs....and ur right back then things were different couldnt agree more. On the other hand would rather have 10,000 accounts that i spent several 100s of dollars on get banned then not give my opinion in a country that promotes that each and every day....sorry that you feel you need to not voice yourself in the way you want and should be able to... > > in short - would rather play retail wow? I 100% agree with you. It's unfortunate that too many people are unable to deal with conflict and need third party intervention. It's also annoying that I, and many others, are unable to voice their opinions because the system tends to reward those that overuse it. There needs to be a revision and something that helps against 'report happy' individuals. Kind of a "the truth hurts" or "tough love" mentality. It may be because I was raised differently, but I don't report unless it's truly out of line, like racism, homophobia, misogynistic comments, hate speech, etc. On a side note, Classic WoW is coming out on August 27th which is what I'll be doing. Maybe I'll see you there, haha. Rogue for life {{champion:28}}
To comment on what you said about the reporting - whats really bad is the /all vs the normal chat in almost 90% of cases that I've seen someone that is again the aggressor or the person you are giving that "tough love" to then starts in /all chat and then you get the opposite team reporting you for they don't even know why..which leads into Hakuna's comment. Reports should be strictly racism, homophobia, misogynistic comments, hate speech, etc. (couldn't agree more).
: > [{quoted}](name=I Surgical l,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tPPUp0BZ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-08T18:55:23.663+0000) > > Been playing since beta man - when i started there was only 8 champs....and ur right back then things were different couldnt agree more. On the other hand would rather have 10,000 accounts that i spent several 100s of dollars on get banned then not give my opinion in a country that promotes that each and every day....sorry that you feel you need to not voice yourself in the way you want and should be able to... > > in short - would rather play retail wow? I 100% agree with you. It's unfortunate that too many people are unable to deal with conflict and need third party intervention. It's also annoying that I, and many others, are unable to voice their opinions because the system tends to reward those that overuse it. There needs to be a revision and something that helps against 'report happy' individuals. Kind of a "the truth hurts" or "tough love" mentality. It may be because I was raised differently, but I don't report unless it's truly out of line, like racism, homophobia, misogynistic comments, hate speech, etc. On a side note, Classic WoW is coming out on August 27th which is what I'll be doing. Maybe I'll see you there, haha. Rogue for life {{champion:28}}
HAHA, played classic and ready start again, ill be on my war and whatever my buddy decides he finally wants to play.
: Hello, First, I would like to say that I have been playing since Season 2 and I personally have not received a punishment for being 'toxic', whatever that may be since it seems to be a conditional umbrella term. However, I /mute all when I enter a game because I have had too many friends get banned for mild things like this and I don't feel like losing the money and time that I have spent on this game because the system isn't manned and reviewed by people like it was in the tribunal. Second, I don't understand how that was a perma-ban. Honestly, the automated report system works more for those that are overly sensitive and report happy rather than banning legitimately toxic people. It's irritating that the reform card takes your words out of context to paint you as the only 'villain'. I'm sorry this happened to you. Unfortunately, your options are to either play the game and mute all, restrain your human reaction to defend yourself and report at the end of the game (which would be every game), or give in and get banned. Best of luck. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Been playing since beta man - when i started there was only 8 champs....and ur right back then things were different couldnt agree more. On the other hand would rather have 10,000 accounts that i spent several 100s of dollars on get banned then not give my opinion in a country that promotes that each and every day....sorry that you feel you need to not voice yourself in the way you want and should be able to... in short - would rather play retail wow?
Psγchopath (EUNE)
: LOL in EUNE this guy would be considered to be nicest guy in your game, people in eune f each others families, slit each others throats and stuff like that( not me tho, that aint cool {{champion:35}} ) im not like them i reformed after my 14 day ban and learned my lesson {{champion:60}} I even started to go to the church and pray more often it really helps me in my ranked games i climbed from silver to gold and i know my guardian angel is always watching my map. I used to not listen to my elders and didnt go to church and pray now i do and i live happy and full life i think everybody should pray no matter what religion you are :) I also quit doing drugs and so did my gf we live sober life now , whenever we want a fix we just play league and we want a fix a lot cuz we are playing all the time and leveling our accounts. I have better relathionship with my family 2 . Me and my gf even made a religious club and help people by not cursing and feeding games. All i can say is that im proud that im doing gods work and that he is always with me. GL HF {{summoner:1}}
Maybe one day ill stop the drinking and become a saint like you L Lavvliet....(dont have league anymore so might have to drown myself in a drunken stupor until my liver gives out and i need a transplant). But ya GL HF!!!
Kei143 (NA)
: So ... you want us to review your chatlog? Cos I'm sure there is more than just "telling your jg to watch the map". If you wish for us to review your chat, please post your chatlogs
Game 1 In-Game I Surgical l: why did you go to his blue I Surgical l: you saw i went to his red so he clearly started blue I Surgical l: and you went there wasted time I Surgical l: and then died I Surgical l: do you not know how to jg? I Surgical l: cause now mid and top are both fucked I Surgical l: thanks I Surgical l: that was not at all toxic I Surgical l: just called out a jg that didnt even remotely look at their map I Surgical l: did i call her a name I Surgical l: or even talk shit about it>? I Surgical l: no i asked why you went blue I Surgical l: when you saw or should have saw me at his red I Surgical l: so he started blue I Surgical l: i held her accountable I Surgical l: thats all i did I Surgical l: first off I Surgical l: not in school - I Surgical l: second I Surgical l: again I Surgical l: didnt call her any names I Surgical l: didnt talk shit I Surgical l: just called them out on not paying attention I Surgical l: its a competitive game I Surgical l: if someone cant take that then they should not play I Surgical l: normals is still my time I Surgical l: wasnt a hoe I Surgical l: again I Surgical l: just simply asked why she went blue I Surgical l: when i went to his red and he clearly started blue I Surgical l: you made it a bigger deal than it had to be I Surgical l: in short all i said was watch ur map I Surgical l: i mean that it what i said I Surgical l: so ya I Surgical l: lets also note that both of you (while typing have done nothing but feed) I Surgical l: cool I Surgical l: nothing wrong with that - defend ur duo in apex or fortnite I Surgical l: dont defend her when you clearly know that ur wrong I Surgical l: watch ur map I Surgical l: dont talk shit to the person that tells you that I Surgical l: idk what mong means sry - not 10 years old I Surgical l: pretty sure thats a racial slur for koreans or some sort I Surgical l: so how about we report you for that I Surgical l: please report our mid jg I Surgical l: i simply asked jg to watch her map and mid just goes off for the past 10 mins I Surgical l: no you ranted at me - i just explained myself I Surgical l: this is why people never learn to get better at this game - one person says something not in anger or spite then everyone wants I Surgical l: troll I Surgical l: i havent fed at all I Surgical l: im 0/3 I Surgical l: 2 of my deaths from mid and jg already feeding I Surgical l: why they were complaining to me I Surgical l: never understand - if ur that sensitive play something else I Surgical l: zoe you already wasted that Not afraid to link what i typed - keep in mind this is my comments to someone ranting at me - which if you want to say you shouldnt do that well tell me a single human being that wouldnt defend themselves when someone is calling them a "mong" a "bad player" "trash" ect. imo think i did rather well after a 25 game chat ban when all i was trying to say was to watch ur map - some would call that (in comparison to my previous chats, an improvement) but alas i just get banned.... i get not responding to toxicity but trying to defend a point is something different - and getting punished for it is even more less human to be honest. Basically on LoL we should all just be robots and say you did great man keep up the good work - am i in 3rd grade rocket football or am i playing a competitive online game?
: You typically shouldn't be banned for giving constructive feedback and discussing strategy with your teammates. If you want some constructive criticism of your logs, I would suggest you copy/paste them. They can be found by re-logging into the client and hitting "copy" on the reform card displayed.
i got banned for my behavior on the previous games - and as i stated yes i was toxic - rather the three games combined, but also like to note this account just got over a 25game chat ban - didnt get a 14 day
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