Rioter Comments
: I don't think chilling smite needs the damage it does though. 22-160, while a small number, is still significant. The focus of the ability should be on the utility it gives. The damage is not needed. edit: tHe DaMAgE Is InSiGnIfiCanT
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B0ftndEj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-08T14:51:30.591+0000) > > I don't think chilling smite needs the damage it does though. 22-160, while a small number, is still significant. The focus of the ability should be on the utility it gives. The damage is not needed. no. that damage is laughable and for the tanks that are still viable to jungle with (Nunu and that's it pretty much) they need that extra damage however small it is to go with the utility.
: Because HP and AS slows don't exist?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWqegWbK,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-06T09:01:03.483+0000) > > Because HP and AS slows don't exist? sorry Chief not everyone gets free health from pressing R and a disgusting slow/AS slow on W. I noticed you play Nasus exclusively in Ranked if you don't understand what i'm getting at.
: > [{quoted}](name=I memba balance ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:00:21.761+0000) > > I realize that they are CURRENTLY on holiday, but they haven't been on holiday for 18 days and regardless, it's a trend of inactivity on Gameplay that has been going on for far too long. Not to mention, they are getting paid while they are responding to "idiots" on these boards. Hey man. No one in Riot NEEDS to respond to the boards. They have no obligation. And more specifically - no obligation to reply to YOU. Every time you post you only embarrass yourself and show your complete lack of understanding of how this game works. On top of that you have a great deal of arrogance (as most ignorant people do). If I was a Rioter I wouldn’t try and talk to you, I would only observe and enjoy (like an animal in a zoo). Don’t bother responding. You’ve embarrassed yourself enough. Take the time to instead reflect on yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:19:50.278+0000) > > Hey man. No one in Riot NEEDS to respond to the boards. They have no obligation. > > And more specifically - no obligation to reply to YOU. Every time you post you only embarrass yourself and show your complete lack of understanding of how this game works. On top of that you have a great deal of arrogance (as most ignorant people do). If I was a Rioter I wouldn’t try and talk to you, I would only observe and enjoy (like an animal in a zoo). > > Don’t bother responding. You’ve embarrassed yourself enough. Take the time to instead reflect on yourself. I will bother to respond, thanks for the suggestion though. All you have done in every single one of your posts is defend Riot and their inaction on these Boards. You provided no actual discussion or counterpoints to what I itemized and listed out very easily to read, so I'm assuming you hit the part where I started to criticize in the first paragraph and completely dismissed the rest. You're mistaking intelligence and a perceptive mind for arrogance. And THAT right there was actual arrogance. :)
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=I memba balance ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:09:26.596+0000) > > yes because Diamond, Master, and Challenger players that play 8+ hours A DAY who are deeply unsatisfied or upset with the gamestate would have zero grounds to level any complaints against almighty, all-knowing Riot Games. And HOW many of the people on these boards are actually those Diamond Master and Challenger players you are talking about? Also, should we listen to the ones like LL Stylish who think Zed is weak and needs buffs, or how about TFBlade thinking Irelia needs buffs, or the ones that want ADCs buffed to the point they were before which everyone complained about for several years?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:11:24.684+0000) > > And HOW many of the people on these boards are actually those Diamond Master and Challenger players you are talking about? > > Also, should we listen to the ones like LL Stylish who think Zed is weak and needs buffs, or how about TFBlade thinking Irelia needs buffs, or the ones that want ADCs buffed to the point they were before which everyone complained about for several years? Common perception is that the ADC role is laughable currently outside of Lucian and Ezreal. I don't play the role at all and hated when they could burst with old Infinity Edge, RFC, and Shiv but the state of that role is pretty sad right now. I peaked at Diamond 5 which isn't much but it's something. Imaqtpie complains all the time about how high the damage is in the game and the state of his role. If you aren't aware who that is, he's a lifer of this game pretty much and one of their biggest supporters. Dyrus took at least 4 months off the game because of how bad it got for him. IWDominate i'm pretty sure is going to end up in a straight jacket by the end of this preseason. The list goes on and on of high levels players who are fed up with how the game is trending.
Wuks (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=I memba balance ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:00:21.761+0000) > > I realize that they are CURRENTLY on holiday, but they haven't been on holiday for 18 days They have though
> [{quoted}](name=Wuks,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:04:51.423+0000) > > They have though Okay Wuks, you would know how long they've been away..but my point remains that there has been absolutely zero constructive activity by Rioters on Gameplay Boards in a VERY long time. Please, go into the archives and see when the last time a Rioter engaged the community about gameplay or balancing issues OUTSIDE of the Dev Corner.
Jamaree (NA)
: Yeah, why doesn't Riot just stand there and let people insult them over matters they clearly don't understand or know what they are talking about half the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:05:53.213+0000) > > Yeah, why doesn't Riot just stand there and let people insult them over matters they clearly don't understand or know what they are talking about half the time. yes because Diamond, Master, and Challenger players that play 8+ hours A DAY who are deeply unsatisfied or upset with the gamestate would have zero grounds to level any complaints against almighty, all-knowing Riot Games.
Hotarµ (NA)
: >Riot/Rioters, let me be frank, you guys have your work cut out for you going into Season 9. Strictly game related and not referring to the Daniel Klein incident, your workplace etiquette with higher ups, your poor decision with Pax West to only include all people after 2:30 when everyone was a paying customer to begin with, etc.. Dude, chill. I think they made a very stupid decision there (I even made an entire video discussing it) but it's been about 3 months since then. It was obviously damage control, but it's not that big a deal that we need to keep bringing it up. It was a one time thing. If it happens again, then yes, we should complain but as of right now it was a one-and-done situation. >First, let's talk new release champions and reworks. Can you guys please stop implementing "fun and unique" skills or characteristics into champion kits and saying fuck balance? This attitude is precisely why Riot doesn't want to interact with the Gameplay section of the Boards. You're complaining about the lack of transparency yet already we're 2 paragraphs in and you're saying they don't care about balance and making what I assume to be a sarcastic comment about new champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:02:26.219+0000) > > Dude, chill. I think they made a very stupid decision there (I even made an entire video discussing it) but it's been about 3 months since then. It was obviously damage control, but it's not that big a deal that we need to keep bringing it up. It was a one time thing. If it happens again, then yes, we should complain but as of right now it was a one-and-done situation. > > This attitude is precisely why Riot doesn't want to interact with the Gameplay section of the Boards. You're complaining about the lack of transparency yet already we're 2 paragraphs in and you're saying they don't care about balance and making what I assume to be a sarcastic comment about new champions. and this is exactly the problem. you see one bad word and completely shut it down as not worth going on reading. That's pretty sad and ignorant of you. and if they keep making PR mistake and feeding bullshit apologies that people like you keep eating up...why would they stop?
: They’re on holiday. No it’s not their duty to do work related stuff on break. If my boss told me to respond to idiots on boards and raise my blood pressure over Christmas break I’d tell them to fuck off. Actually it’s in no Rioters job description to give a shit about the boards.
> [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8OwKesyE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-30T07:54:28.137+0000) > > They’re on holiday. No it’s not their duty to do work related stuff on break. If my boss told me to respond to idiots on boards and raise my blood pressure over Christmas break I’d tell them to fuck off. I realize that they are CURRENTLY on holiday, but they haven't been on holiday for 18 days and regardless, it's a trend of inactivity on Gameplay that has been going on for far too long. Not to mention, they are getting paid while they are responding to "idiots" on these boards.
Rioter Comments
hoganftw (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LoEJ9X05,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T01:20:14.378+0000) > > Except league isn't actually going down. From a gameplay perspective, it is. People don't stop playing the game but there's definitely a sense of frustration with the community with how the game feels.
> [{quoted}](name=hoganftw,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LoEJ9X05,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T01:25:22.345+0000) > > From a gameplay perspective, it is. > People don't stop playing the game but there's definitely a sense of frustration with the community with how the game feels. used to play no less than like 6 hours a day just a year ago after i got off work. now i'll go stretches of a week or two without even thinking about this catastrophe of a game.
: Gameplay in a Nutshell.
Tends to happen when you ignore the community and their posts as blatantly as Riot does and they continually put out shit changes/OP champion releases and reworks. They take forever to make VERY OBVIOUS changes such as Akali shouldn't be able to true stealth under a damn enemy turret.
: They do communicate, but they don't want to facilitate a witch hunt by posting on every thread.
> [{quoted}](name=How Do You Meta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BFWP9m3U,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-02T19:16:48.394+0000) > > They do communicate, but they don't want to facilitate a witch hunt by posting on every thread. No. They dont communicate. I just started the last time a Rioter even dared step foot into the Gameplay Section and it was 2 weeks ago. That's frankly pathetic
Rioter Comments
: that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about it but ok , I'll reply to this Ahri never reached 20% pick rate , 14 was her highest number , she has 51% win rate on 8% pick rate right now according to op.gg , she is in a balanced state right now , after all , she is simple to play , she is hard to be played bad Zed is a high skill floor champion , having 50% and sometimes 51% win rate is huge for this Look at Azir where he is staying just because he is high skill floor champion , yet you Zed mains would complain about an Azir with {{item:3191}} , a champion that has 43% win rate , give me a break , then you expect others not to hate Zed that has 50% wr? ?
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=1Vut9uj9,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-02T04:28:26.893+0000) > > that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about it > > but ok , I'll reply to this > > Ahri never reached 20% pick rate , 14 was her highest number , she has 51% win rate on 8% pick rate right now according to op.gg , she is in a balanced state right now , after all , she is simple to play , she is hard to be played bad > Zed is a high skill floor champion , having 50% and sometimes 51% win rate is huge for this > Look at Azir where he is staying just because he is high skill floor champion , yet you Zed mains would complain about an Azir with {{item:3191}} , a champion that has 43% win rate , give me a break , then you expect others not to hate Zed that has 50% wr? ? lol I'm a Gangplank main. I don't even have Mastery 2 on Zed on any account. You are the most biased person I've ever come across on these boards for their specific champion. Ahri is not in a balanced state and never is because Riot loves to sell her stupid skins. And her skins sell more the more she is played. If they make her shit, she won't be played, and skins won't sell. Pure fact$. As for your stats, Ahri most definitely has a 53% winrate in Plat+ where players are at their best mechanically and game knowledge wise. This is according to Champion.gg and also https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri. OH, and she has also reached OVER 20% pickrate at several points in her existence. Most recently being in the middle of 2017.
: good idea , but you okay with it ? Zed mains will find something else like this and call it broken and spam Zed is weak
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=1Vut9uj9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-01T22:34:43.522+0000) > > good idea , but you okay with it ? Zed mains will find find something else and call it broken and spam Zed is weak you play Ahri, and commented on my post about nerfing Ahri when she was 53% winrate and 20% pickrate...oh what do i mean WAS....she STILL has a 53% winrate in Platinum and higher with the 4th highest pickrate mid at nearly 5%. This is after that oh so dreadful nerf to her ultimate cooldown. lmao don't even talk about Zed mains complaining when you waifu Ahri spammers are the cancer of these Gameplay Boards.
: Possible ways to Fix Zed
Alright. fuck no. You don't get to complain about Zed "being in the gutter" and complaining for buffs when my champion has been shat on by nerfs directly an indirectly. Gangplank has about the same winrate in Platinum+ and is much less cancerous to play against than "oh I'm level 6 and have ignite up, I guess you just die now" Zed. so no. fuck no.
: > [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xoj748Rp,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T20:29:08.137+0000) > > Lmao what does a heal spammer with the sole purpose of spamming W and Q know about mechanical skill? You've never even been above Plat before. I've been D3 for two seasons. You can kindly hop off. I'm using the good old Diamond card at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xoj748Rp,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-29T21:43:08.069+0000) > > 1) This guy was the one calling out my champions first. How are you turning me when I didn't bring op.gg into the conversation until I had to respond to his ass? > > 2) All I see is a salty plat player who's a whole 1.5 tiers under me, making excuses for why he's barking up with his underdog ass instead of getting better at the game so he can be Diamond with his own style of play. lol. i have a 60% winrate in ranked using a champion that gets dumpstered by what is meta currently toplane. pretty sure i could get to Diamond if i actually played a lot of ranked lmao. and it would mean a lot more than a support main in diamond which are a dime a dozen and all main the same Shield/Heal bots. hmmmm funny how that works out. tell you what, I'll create an account and use only Janna/Nami and i will get to Diamond V easily before the end of Season 9.
: > [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xoj748Rp,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T20:29:08.137+0000) > > Lmao what does a heal spammer with the sole purpose of spamming W and Q know about mechanical skill? You've never even been above Plat before. I've been D3 for two seasons. You can kindly hop off. I'm using the good old Diamond card at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xoj748Rp,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T21:21:36.788+0000) > > You've never even been above Plat before. I've been D3 for two seasons. > > You can kindly hop off. I'm using the good old Diamond card at this point. This is funny. You're proud of being Diamond literally by getting carried and playing heal bots that sit back and do jackfuck. I have zero respect for support mains that flaunt their rank like it actually means they earned it. Especially if they play the likes of Janna, Soraka, Nami and Sona. I have played against numerous Diamond support mains when they get caught in off role and it's like they have the mechanics/game knowledge of a first time player. You have literally no idea how to play lanes without being on a leash tethered to your master ADC. :)
Uni3489 (NA)
: I mean, the Q isn't the problem. Irelia's Q is weak af. Trinity is the problem, but there isn't any way that Riot will touch that. Upping the mana cost on an ability that is constantly spammed will destroy the champion if the increase is more than 5. Although actually, Irelia isn't actually overperforming by that much. If she was though, I'd probably just remove her healing on Q. There isn't really much of a reason for her to have one. Skirmishers in general don't really tend to have one, or at least don't tend to have healing without tradeoffs (With the exception being Fiora). Since Irelia's healing doesn't actually have any tradeoffs and requires very little thought, that would probably be the best thing to remove.
> [{quoted}](name=Uni3489,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xoj748Rp,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-11-29T12:43:44.080+0000) > > I mean, the Q isn't the problem. Irelia's Q is weak af. Trinity is the problem, but there isn't any way that Riot will touch that. Upping the mana cost on an ability that is constantly spammed will destroy the champion if the increase is more than 5. > > Although actually, Irelia isn't actually overperforming by that much. If she was though, I'd probably just remove her healing on Q. There isn't really much of a reason for her to have one. Skirmishers in general don't really tend to have one, or at least don't tend to have healing without tradeoffs (With the exception being Fiora). Since Irelia's healing doesn't actually have any tradeoffs and requires very little thought, that would probably be the best thing to remove. oh that's funny. because they upped the early game mana cost on GP Q from 40 to 60 without batting an eye. while also nerfing barrel duration and the ability to throw barrels into bushes to grant temporary vision. Irelia is the BEST performing Toplaner is Platinum+ where people can actually use her kit to the fullest. she is broken and disgusting as fuck.
: Its not really bias when a champion who’s apparently overloaded and “broken” has a 47% winrate. If she was truly “broken” it would show in her winrate but it doesn’t. You (alongside many others) just have no idea how to play against her and that’s referred to as misplaying (not Irelia being broken).
> [{quoted}](name=Infinite Irelia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xoj748Rp,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-11-29T01:40:15.817+0000) > > Its not really bias when a champion who’s apparently overloaded and “broken” has a 47% winrate. If she was truly “broken” it would show in her winrate but it doesn’t. You (alongside many others) just have no idea how to play against her and that’s referred to as misplaying (not Irelia being broken). except it is bias when you use the overall winrate on the champ instead of the winrate for games played on her. she is the best performing Toplaner out of all Tops despite that "47%" winrate. her winrate spikes to 55% on 50-100 games played in ranked and is the same for 100-150 games played and then just under 54% for 201+ games played. she is fucking disgusting.
Rioter Comments
: Aatrox still not performing well in soloQ but still getting nerfed again. Interesting. Ofc there is no lucian on the list why would we nerf adcs with 54-57% winrate from master to diamond with a 40% pickrate who riot forcefully buffed into this bullshit state when we can nerf an irrelevant bruiser who happens to be good in pro play. Camille nerfed again. It's not enough to remove her from toplane nah we just gonna kill her. Play your fuckin darius already so viktor, liss, kennen can destroy you. How dare u want a champion being able to deal with this. Can riot just powershift camille back into toplane? Camille jungle: cancer with no counterplay. Camille toplane: lots of counterplay and shitty matchups. Give her back her MASSIVELY nerfed E dmg and just tack "deals 50% less dmg to monsters" on every fuckin spell don't care at this point anymore. Just wanna play her toplane without having to play her as second jungle. Jax nerf is a joke. Put simply. but he is not lucian so we gonna nerf him anyways. Like people talking about how shit adc is yeah i mean lucian surpresses the entire line up like always when he is good but whatever. Riot balance they are paid professionals they know what they do. Irelia doesn't need simple straight nerfs irelia needs a rework/powershift. Riot fucked her up with her passive trying to bring her into toplane and instead made her dominate mid AND top. Either she is a sustained dmg threat with her passive or a bursty assassin diver but not BOTH.
> [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WbpEfUMs,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-11-27T13:16:29.831+0000) > > Aatrox still not performing well in soloQ but still getting nerfed again. Interesting. Ofc there is no lucian on the list why would we nerf adcs with 54-57% winrate from master to diamond with a 40% pickrate who riot forcefully buffed into this bullshit state when we can nerf an irrelevant bruiser who happens to be good in pro play. > > Camille nerfed again. It's not enough to remove her from toplane nah we just gonna kill her. Play your fuckin darius already so viktor, liss, kennen can destroy you. How dare u want a champion being able to deal with this. > Can riot just powershift camille back into toplane? Camille jungle: cancer with no counterplay. Camille toplane: lots of counterplay and shitty matchups. > Give her back her MASSIVELY nerfed E dmg and just tack "deals 50% less dmg to monsters" on every fuckin spell don't care at this point anymore. Just wanna play her toplane without having to play her as second jungle. > > Jax nerf is a joke. Put simply. but he is not lucian so we gonna nerf him anyways. > > Like people talking about how shit adc is yeah i mean lucian surpresses the entire line up like always when he is good but whatever. Riot balance they are paid professionals they know what they do. > > Irelia doesn't need simple straight nerfs irelia needs a rework/powershift. Riot fucked her up with her passive trying to bring her into toplane and instead made her dominate mid AND top. > > Either she is a sustained dmg threat with her passive or a bursty assassin diver but not BOTH. clearly you're a bruiser abuser in the toplane. your comment doesn't drip with Bruiser Bias at all.
yamacchi (NA)
: -5 btw hard hitting nerf. She got to lane 2 seconds slower than usual, god bless.
> [{quoted}](name=yamacchi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EAU6uPZY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-20T00:08:40.682+0000) > > -5 btw > > hard hitting nerf. She got to lane 2 seconds slower than usual, god bless. no. not even. -5 movespeed doesn't even add a full second for her to walk from fountain to fountain. it's an actual joke of a nerf.
: and if i didnt learn to come back it would be bronze 5 with a 32% winrate so? I am a bronze player playing in bronze rank versus other bronze and slivers so your point is? And another thing if riot tracked it you would see over 60% of my lost games were due to tilted boys surrendering. not saying i would have won all of them but there would have been a chance to having to look up and then rank shame people is a sign that your argument has no substance thus you need to divert to something else
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nXGnOy94,comment-id=001c000100010001,timestamp=2018-11-16T04:38:09.281+0000) > > and if i didnt learn to come back it would be bronze 5 with a 32% winrate so? > I am a bronze player playing in bronze rank versus other bronze and slivers so your point is? > And another thing if riot tracked it you would see over 60% of my lost games were due to tilted boys surrendering. not saying i would have won all of them but there would have been a chance to > having to look up and then rank shame people is a sign that your argument has no substance thus you need to divert to something else nope. because i'm all for surrendering clearly unwinnable games at 15 and I have a 60% winrate and in Platinum. so clearly I've had much better results with my methods of getting the fuck out of games with teammates who feed (or sometimes I feed and get dumpstered).
: change your name
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nXGnOy94,comment-id=001c0001,timestamp=2018-11-12T02:43:07.016+0000) > > change your name After looking at your OP.gg, I have no words for you. You clearly have found the key to winning and achieving those impossible comebacks by maintaining Bronze elo in every season since Season 4. and you currently are sitting in Bronze 2 with a 42% winrate lol.
: change your name
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nXGnOy94,comment-id=001c0001,timestamp=2018-11-12T02:43:07.016+0000) > > change your name ?
Zardo (NA)
: This "go next" mentality is REALLY getting out of hand
Okay Mr White Knight that believes every game has a win condition. You're the type of jackass that holds other players prisoner by not voting Yes and forcing people to play out an unwinnable game. FF'ing at 15 minutes is a whole lot better than wasting another 5+ minutes flailing in the wind when you could have used that extra time playing out a 100% loss, to queue up and get into another game. It's called. And here's the dirty little secret....if you do somehow pull out the impossible victory, it still will take longer than the average game, you'll still probably be tilted as fuck, and you still could have taken the LP loss on a short short game, and gone into another game with a fresh start by the time your "winnable" game ends.
: Man sure would be nice if you actually told us what the freaking survey **was**....
> [{quoted}](name=SpecterVonBaren,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wLRZ5A0V,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-10-31T09:24:46.765+0000) > > Man sure would be nice if you actually told us what the freaking survey **was**.... It was a survey about gamestate, my suggestion to improve the game, would I recommend this game to my friends, if I said I wouldn't recommend it (explain why not), how likely am I to continue playing the game
: Haven't they repeatedly acknowledge they make mistakes in balancing?
> [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wLRZ5A0V,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-10-30T23:03:53.768+0000) > > Haven't they repeatedly acknowledge they make mistakes in balancing? I'm sure they have come out and said "yeah we hit X champion with a lighter nerf so as to not completely gut the champion, but it looks like they require some more tuning". Runes Reforged was a complete disaster that just threw the game into chaos with even higher damage than before. Yet, no Rioter will ever flat out admit to that. Instead, they are once again reworking Runes/Masteries this Pre-Season without having acknowledged that the community was somewhat correct about Runes Reforged. Another example of ignoring the community is when they first released footage of reworked Irelia. Not ONE SINGLE PERSON could have looked me in the eye and told me they honestly believed that champion looked even remotely balanced. PBE complained about her, she was complained about from the moment she was released to live. Riot remained silent for the most part despite the numerous front page posts shining a negative light on their new rework. Now they hit her with this -5 movespeed nerf that NOT ONE SINGLE PLAYER suggested as a possible way of tuning her, and she is still an oppressive mess. What that shows me is that they value what looks "flashy and fun" over "balanced and fair". I challenge a Rioter to come to this post and have an honest, open discussion about Irelia and highlight how a -5 Movespeed nerf puts her in a more reasonable place. The only place you ever see Rioters discuss balancing is on Meddlers Gameplay Thoughts or whatever it's called. Outside of that, talking about balance and responding to a specific post about a specific champ/nerf/buff is RARE at best these days. This was not the case at all in Season 4+5. The thing is, I want them to be more open about mistakes they have made and I want them to accept the challenge on explaining why they made certain changes. I want them to accept the responsibility of explaining /defending the reasons why they made certain changes TO THE COMMUNITY on all posts. Not in their safe space on Gameplay+ and Meddler's Quick Thoughts. It's cowardly and does not foster an honest and positive relationship with this community at all.
King Lego (EUNE)
: The last time i got a response from a Rioter was Riot Eambo, but to be honest he's probably the only one who replies, and he's not even on the gameplay department. However, about 5 months ago, GhostCrawler himself replied on my post when i was talking about him. Not negatively, just asking what and why he's a controversy. But yeah, i started League back in season just like you, but maybe later than you because i started like mid or late. I can't say how the boards use to be back in season 4 because i started going here almost a year ago. (9 months to be a little more exact). But League was very fun to play, and i didn't know there was something like "balance" in the game, but i learned everything in Season 4 and season 5 wasn't bad for me too, but season 6 is where i would say the game became just a big mess. The main issue i see right now, is how apparently there is no Rioters who just stands there and says "no! this is not a good idea!" depending on what it is. In other words, a Morello. My main cause of frustration about this game is not toxic community, inter, afk, and flaming. I'm use to those. The main cause of frustration is how Riot is allowing too many thing to pass by even though it's toxic for the game. Some champions, items and runes are so toxic to an extent that there should be a report option for these things...
> [{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wLRZ5A0V,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-30T12:43:43.870+0000) > > The last time i got a response from a Rioter was Riot Eambo, but to be honest he's probably the only one who replies, and he's not even on the gameplay department. > However, about 5 months ago, GhostCrawler himself replied on my post when i was talking about him. Not negatively, just asking what and why he's a controversy. > > But yeah, i started League back in season just like you, but maybe later than you because i started like mid or late. > I can't say how the boards use to be back in season 4 because i started going here almost a year ago. (9 months to be a little more exact). > But League was very fun to play, and i didn't know there was something like "balance" in the game, but i learned everything in Season 4 and season 5 wasn't bad for me too, but season 6 is where i would say the game became just a big mess. > > The main issue i see right now, is how apparently there is no Rioters who just stands there and says "no! this is not a good idea!" depending on what it is. In other words, a Morello. > My main cause of frustration about this game is not toxic community, inter, afk, and flaming. I'm use to those. > The main cause of frustration is how Riot is allowing too many thing to pass by even though it's toxic for the game. > Some champions, items and runes are so toxic to an extent that there should be a report option for these things... I can assure you that Rioter presence was much much higher back in Season 4 and 5 than it is now. As for the voice of reason to reel back on ideas/designs, they should be using the community and PBE as that very voice of reason. But it feels like the numerous warnings or comments of displeasure on buffs/nerfs/various changes go ignored. It feels like the Balance Team is just giving the community a huge middle finger like "we know this game better than any of you bronze scrub lords ever could". It ABSOLUTELY SHOULDNT BE THIS WAY. To make a great game and foster a great community it needs to be a collaborative effort where constructive advice/criticism is shared between both parties. Right now though, we have a very pissed off and frustrated community essentially flaming Riot because they are tired of going into detail about certain game aspects only to be ignored. Rioters, on the other hand, are tired of catching a hurricane of shitposts and flame for every change. The community needs to learn to pick their battles and not try to combat EVERYTHING Riot tries to implement.
: I like how garbage shit like “just ate toast with ma cat” get mad views but actually important forums like this are set at the way side because it either A. Doesn’t include bitching about a certain champ or mechanic, or B. Doesn’t involve a shite meme that no one cares about. It’s honestly embarrassing how the community wants change but important and cohesive paragraphs on paragraphs are written and ignored or never heard of till months later where it’s either dead or never even blown up to now be read by one person who upvotes it from 3 to a 4. If anything, people who have serious grips with the game should be looking for forums like this and up voting and commenting on it to blow it up and show the company they support and wish to share their true and honest feelings, but they rather than waste their and riots time on absolute garbage that has no place on the forums with the current condition the game and the company is in.
> [{quoted}](name=ThisGameisGay,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wLRZ5A0V,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-30T06:38:20.745+0000) > > I like how garbage shit like “just ate toast with ma cat” get mad views but actually important forums like this are set at the way side because it either A. Doesn’t include bitching about a certain champ or mechanic, or B. Doesn’t involve a shite meme that no one cares about. It’s honestly embarrassing how the community wants change but important and cohesive paragraphs on paragraphs are written and ignored or never heard of till months later where it’s either dead or never even blown up to now be read by one person who upvotes it from 3 to a 4. If anything, people who have serious grips with the game should be looking for forums like this and up voting and commenting on it to blow it up and show the company they support and wish to share their true and honest feelings, but they rather than waste their and riots time on absolute garbage that has no place on the forums with the current condition the game and the company is in. Thanks for the positive feedback. I agree that the circlejerk posts claiming "X champ needs depleted or gutted" can be tiresome and shouldnt gather as many views and attention as they do. But on the other hand, when someone makes that type of post and it has a LARGE amount of upvotes with very few downvotes or opposing viewpoints, you almost have to acknowledge it as a possible problem. Sure, the content itself isnt constructive, but the community upvoting it almost unanimously is constructive in it shines a light on what is seen as a problem by many. Leaving the actual issue of finding what the problem with said champ up to Rioters.
Zlysium (NA)
: This is well written and I feel adequately voices the concerns of the majority of the playerbase (at least I hope the majority, no doubt a significant amount at least though) so thank you for putting this out there. Hopefully Riot reads this and take some of our concerns to heart to try and enact change that would re-invigorate our faith in Riot as a company but my breath will not be held waiting. One other concern I feel is necessary to point out is not just the actual state of balance within the game but the **_perceived_** state of balance of the game. For instance some champions actually are quite balanced but to play against them does not _feel_ that way. Not even a little bit. The only comparison I can make is to another moba Smite which in fact is a terribly balanced game (in my opinion obviously) but the _feel_ of the game is drastically different from the reality. It feels much more skill based than League of Legends, when I die in Smite I don't immediately complain about x or y god being overpowered/broken because it generally feels like if I die in that game it was because my opponent was better than me in that instance. That they played better. Not so in League of Legends, especially since the majority of champions have so very little counterplay. They just feel like stat-checks. Either you're strong enough to fight that Tryndamere or you're not. But no amount of outplay is really going to save you unless you're playing a champion that is mechanically intensive like Riven or Lee Sin. At least in Smite you have the potential to outplay every single God in the game. And I feel that League is missing that feeling. I don't have a solution. I don't even have a mediocre idea for how to solve that problem. But hopefully if we get more people thinking about it someone will have a good idea eventually And continuing the discussion, the debate, is very important. So hopefully more people that read your post leave a comment so we can further discussion to improve this game most of us are addicted to.
> [{quoted}](name=Zlysium,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wLRZ5A0V,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-30T13:01:21.685+0000) > > This is well written and I feel adequately voices the concerns of the majority of the playerbase (at least I hope the majority, no doubt a significant amount at least though) so thank you for putting this out there. > Hopefully Riot reads this and take some of our concerns to heart to try and enact change that would re-invigorate our faith in Riot as a company but my breath will not be held waiting. > One other concern I feel is necessary to point out is not just the actual state of balance within the game but the **_perceived_** state of balance of the game. > For instance some champions actually are quite balanced but to play against them does not _feel_ that way. Not even a little bit. > The only comparison I can make is to another moba Smite which in fact is a terribly balanced game (in my opinion obviously) but the _feel_ of the game is drastically different from the reality. > It feels much more skill based than League of Legends, when I die in Smite I don't immediately complain about x or y god being overpowered/broken because it generally feels like if I die in that game it was because my opponent was better than me in that instance. That they played better. > Not so in League of Legends, especially since the majority of champions have so very little counterplay. They just feel like stat-checks. > Either you're strong enough to fight that Tryndamere or you're not. > But no amount of outplay is really going to save you unless you're playing a champion that is mechanically intensive like Riven or Lee Sin. > At least in Smite you have the potential to outplay every single God in the game. And I feel that League is missing that feeling. > I don't have a solution. I don't even have a mediocre idea for how to solve that problem. > But hopefully if we get more people thinking about it someone will have a good idea eventually > And continuing the discussion, the debate, is very important. So hopefully more people that read your post leave a comment so we can further discussion to improve this game most of us are addicted to. I've only played Smite briefly but I do agree for the most part about just feeling like the player was better than me. Except that Bellona chick. Screw that god. Skill expression has gone down drastically in this game as they add more bandaid runes and damage. It's literally League of One-Shots now and it sometimes doesn't even take a full rotation of spells. Blue form Kayn can E through a wall and nuke your ass without ultimate. It feels SO awful to play against.
Rioter Comments
Vonyalo (EUW)
: who cares. Toxic people stay toxic. They might play for a while and then get banned again.
> [{quoted}](name=Vonyalo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ohnEGNEO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-20T23:21:58.878+0000) > > who cares. Toxic people stay toxic. They might play for a while and then get banned again. I care, because whether you like it or not, some of those people are just hyper competitive and it gets the best of them. I don't condone telling people to "kill themselves" or using homophobic slurs, etc.... but I guarantee there are many cases where someone just was having an awful day. Maybe they were cheated on, had a 15 game loss streak, failed a class, etc....Shouldn't pigeonhole someone as a toxic and shitty person just because of a banned account. They could be very decent human beings in real life and sometimes they get caught up in the competitiveness of this game. Playing a team game with 9 others strangers can be very stressful in itself. I wouldn't write them off and judge them unless you have perfect behavior at all times yourself friend.
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: Maybe that's a good thing? Right now, there's little point in using it on a tank (unless they are healing a bunch). Doing 10% of their max health, though... that's a boon. That would be a way to keep ignite useful in the early game and scale it into something that's still good in the late game, just against different targets.
> [{quoted}](name=KnightsKemplar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zi7LIua0,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-19T21:01:13.981+0000) > > Maybe that's a good thing? > > Right now, there's little point in using it on a tank (unless they are healing a bunch). Doing 10% of their max health, though... that's a boon. That would be a way to keep ignite useful in the early game and scale it into something that's still good in the late game, just against different targets. Okay then Mundo would REALLY need buffs since every time he is picked there would be at least 2 ignites taken. Ignite already fucks him over so hard as is, to make it % max health true damage with the grievous wounds would destroy him.
Rioter Comments
: {{champion:39}} has received nothing but nerfs since her rework and is badly in need of compensation buffs.
> [{quoted}](name=Colton147,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m9vq4jN7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-08T07:49:05.639+0000) > > {{champion:39}} has received nothing but nerfs since her rework and is badly in need of compensation buffs. peeked at your elo. not surprised at all by this statement since most potatos in Bronze/Silver don't know how to use Irelia. She's broken as shit in a skilled player's hands.
: I swear, if I don't see nerfs to Jhin/Jax/Graves/Eve/Kass/Akali/Aatrox next patch
Rioter Comments
: I'm real tired of the same champions in every game
Lee Sin has always been played a lot. Regardless of being weak or strong. And he's definitely not "busted" or even top tier right now. Graves, Evelynn, and Kha'zix are MUCH stronger than Lee is currently. Nice use of name to farm upvotes though.
: It doesn't do missing % HP anymore - base damage and scaling now increases based on missing HP instead. Counting both Q parts it deals up to 350 + 300% AD, which is higher than most AD champion ultimates do before level 16. For example, Caitlyn's ultimate which is meant to be used as a finisher deals 475 + 200% AD at rank 2. Lee potentially outdamages that on a 7 second cooldown with 125 bonus AD.
> [{quoted}](name=Weiss Guertena,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=GcZJorzA,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2018-09-21T22:39:02.985+0000) > > It doesn't do missing % HP anymore - base damage and scaling now increases based on missing HP instead. Counting both Q parts it deals up to 350 + 300% AD, which is higher than most AD champion ultimates do before level 16. > For example, Caitlyn's ultimate which is meant to be used as a finisher deals 475 + 200% AD at rank 2. Lee potentially outdamages that on a 7 second cooldown with 125 bonus AD. ok great. yet both can still be blocked and Lee's Q is a skill shot that requires him to follow up into melee range for full damage. so he can be baited into his own death A LOT (Lee Syndrome)
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChuckNorrisGanks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-20T20:37:45.240+0000) > > show me the patch number where she was nerfed and didn't also have compensation buffs. she literally is the most catered to champion in the fucking game. I looked up her Patch History and there hasn't been a single time she's been nerfed without compensation buffs since Patch 5.16. It's disgusting. In season 7 she had her w and r damage gutted Edit: season 6 also had a nerf to her ability to stop dashes. Source: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri/History
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-21T01:38:20.127+0000) > > In season 7 she had her w and r damage gutted > > Edit: season 6 also had a nerf to her ability to stop dashes. > > Source: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ahri/History your bias is actually making you stupid. do you not understand what i mean when i say compensation buffs? like really? btw reducing the fox fire AP ratio from 40% to 30% isn't "gutting" it at all lmao. Absolute love tap of a nerf. ALSO on that Patch was a buff to her Charm AP ratio from 50% to 60%. christ it's sad. dear god you're actually referring to a BUG FIX as a nerf. Also, read nothing about her being unable to stop dashes...at all. Read that enemies charmed while dashing are no longer able to cast spells during the dash. Please read.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChuckNorrisGanks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-20T01:27:56.761+0000) > > WHICH WAS COMPENSATED WITH ADDING A 20% DAMAGE AMP ON CHARM AND HER FOX FIRES NOW FOCUS CHARMED TARGETS. AHRI LITERALLY HASN'T BEEN STRAIGHT UP NERFED WITHOUT COMPENSATION BUFFS ADDED IN SINCE PATCH 5.16 Compare her to season 4. It is a nerf. Edit: i bieve she was also nerfed in season 7.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-20T19:12:09.323+0000) > > Compare her to season 4. It is a nerf. > > Edit: i bieve she was also nerfed in season 7. show me the patch number where she was nerfed and didn't also have compensation buffs. she literally is the most catered to champion in the fucking game. I looked up her Patch History and there hasn't been a single time she's been nerfed without compensation buffs since Patch 5.16. It's disgusting.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChuckNorrisGanks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-18T15:14:30.726+0000) > > show me where she was outright nerfed and didn't also have compensation buffs or power shifts. show me. The rework with Q ms removal was a nerf.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-19T17:22:23.383+0000) > > The rework with Q ms removal was a nerf. WHICH WAS COMPENSATED WITH ADDING A 20% DAMAGE AMP ON CHARM AND HER FOX FIRES NOW FOCUS CHARMED TARGETS. AHRI LITERALLY HASN'T BEEN STRAIGHT UP NERFED WITHOUT COMPENSATION BUFFS ADDED IN SINCE PATCH 5.16
: You have a lot of pent up anger, you ok?
> [{quoted}](name=NineTailedMystic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=0021000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-18T23:44:32.490+0000) > > You have a lot of pent up anger, you ok? knew i'd see you on this post to come to your waifu's rescue :)
: But your statement is horrible ''Ahri isnt a good champion''. She is top 5 she just ISNT the best champion! Why do all Ahri players have the mentality ''If my champion isnt the best, its the worst''.
> [{quoted}](name=ankoanko19,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=0023000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-18T21:09:00.619+0000) > > But your statement is horrible ''Ahri isnt a good champion''. She is top 5 she just ISNT the best champion! Why do all Ahri players have the mentality ''If my champion isnt the best, its the worst''. this ^^
Mezo (EUNE)
: Hmmmm. Nope! GP only weakness against ranged champions who can perma poke him and hit his barrels AKA Gnar and Kennen. otherwise he beats everyone in top lane because his ranged trades and sustain"Grasp of undying+Corrupting Potion+ Time Warp Tonic" also he can take Biscuit delivery which makes him almost full mana and HP all the time. GP also has good wave management tools (Freezing&Pushing) he doesn't need to buy Tiamat for pushing also. A decent GP player is ungankable and i mean that, His Powder Keg slows from 40% to 80% and he gains 30% movement speed for 2 second and he has a lot more in his Kit to survive W (QSS+heal) and R ( Slow). He is getting rewarded by playing safe in lane because he always get more gold than you and his R is global so he can take kills/assists Gold too. and after all of this advantage in lanning, he scales very well to mid and late game "reliability/safety". Now don't get me wrong, GP is one of my favorite champions in the game. and i'll hate any direct/indirect nerf happens to him But What i'm saying is; i can complain about every champion in the game and people will upvote me because of the hate not because i'm right or wrong, Ahri isn't a no counterplay champion GP too. A good Ahri player will do well every game if he/she played the champion correctly and also a good player won't get charmed everytime and a good reminder, Ahri can't kill without landing her Charm unless she is 3 lvl ahead and giga fed vs no MR. Just think about Talon&Zoe pre nerfs and you will find out Ahri's meta is way more healthier than both of them, i'd rather facing Ahri every game better than playing against unbanned Talon/Zoe/Yasuo/Zed which tilts me even during the champ select.
> [{quoted}](name=Mezo,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=002100010000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-18T20:30:36.567+0000) > > Hmmmm. Nope! > GP only weakness against ranged champions who can perma poke him and hit his barrels AKA Gnar and Kennen. > otherwise he beats everyone in top lane because his ranged trades and sustain"Grasp of undying+Corrupting Potion+ Time Warp Tonic" also he can take Biscuit delivery which makes him almost full mana and HP all the time. > GP also has good wave management tools (Freezing&Pushing) he doesn't need to buy Tiamat for pushing also. > A decent GP player is ungankable and i mean that, His Powder Keg slows from 40% to 80% and he gains 30% movement speed for 2 second and he has a lot more in his Kit to survive W (QSS+heal) and R ( Slow). > He is getting rewarded by playing safe in lane because he always get more gold than you and his R is global so he can take kills/assists Gold too. and after all of this advantage in lanning, he scales very well to mid and late game "reliability/safety". > > Now don't get me wrong, GP is one of my favorite champions in the game. and i'll hate any direct/indirect nerf happens to him But What i'm saying is; i can complain about every champion in the game and people will upvote me because of the hate not because i'm right or wrong, Ahri isn't a no counterplay champion GP too. A good Ahri player will do well every game if he/she played the champion correctly and also a good player won't get charmed everytime and a good reminder, Ahri can't kill without landing her Charm unless she is 3 lvl ahead and giga fed vs no MR. > Just think about Talon&Zoe pre nerfs and you will find out Ahri's meta is way more healthier than both of them, i'd rather facing Ahri every game better than playing against unbanned Talon/Zoe/Yasuo/Zed which tilts me even during the champ select. You seem to know a lot about GP as one of your "favorite champions" with 2 ranked games on him this season and you have horrible stats. You know nothing about the champion or his shit matchups. You spew numbers on his kit that anyone can simply look up. Please go into your next game against Darius and play Gangplank. See how that works out for you. Especially if he takes Ghost/Flash.Tell me how much fun you have against Pantheon smashing you with Q's and eventually tower diving you with Ignite with jungler. Nobody ever ganks for a Gangplank because he has shitty set up for kills and does minimal damage early. Irelia is a nightmare for Gangplank. You act like you know the champ and generically say that ranged champs who can contest his barrels are his counters. False. Champions that usually require hard CC to get them off of you are GP's biggest counters. GP thrives in lane matchups that are just poke oriented or against tanks. Champions that have burst or strong all in destroy your soul. I have over 400k Mastery points on GP over various accounts and have peaked at Platinum 2. Tobias Fate who was a Challenger level Gangplank names the same champions I do when it comes to horrible matchups. You are out of your depth trying to talk to me about Gangplank. A 30% movement speed buff for 2 seconds is False Mobility. Not to mention the barrels no longer last for 60 seconds and now only last for 25 seconds so you can't just sit on barrels in lane for safety. (good change not arguing that was an unnecessary nerf). Barrels have a LARGE CD early so in shit matchups you have to use them to farm as best as you can so as to not subject yourself to all in's or ganks. Not to mention the increase in mana cost to his Q to 60 made every single Q a lot more impactful. 282 base mana pool so you're shit outta luck for range farming after 5 Q's. W has a huge mana cost and huge CD so if you're forced to use that at all early you're boned.
: WIth the pre season and the start of season 8 before her winrate was 50% she had a lot of safety , especially the MS , she was literally the carry me I won't feed type mid laner. Luckily she became better after the rework since they made her w go to the charmed target and they gave her extra 20% dmg when landing Charm , and that was good Sorry but , who's toxic? look at your replies " your dumbass playerbase that circlejerks " " jesus fucking christ you guys are the most toxic fanbase " If some Ahri mains complained in reddit and spammed buff everywhere doesn't mean all Ahri mains are like that Edite the comment cuz had to play an Onslaught match with friends and didn't finish it earlier and someone posted 2 replies and deleted them instead lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nRgLqJWx,comment-id=002d,timestamp=2018-09-18T19:11:26.119+0000) > > WIth the pre season and the start of season 8 before her winrate was 50% she had a lot of safety , especially the MS , she was literally the carry me I won't feed type mid laner. > Luckily she became better after the rework since they made her w go to the charmed target and they gave her extra 20% dmg when landing Charm , and that was good > > Sorry but , who's toxic? right there. her winrate was at 50% (it was higher actually than just a flat 50%) but you actually think she needed to be buffed or deserved to be buffed while sitting at a perfectly normal and FINE 50% winrate. that's just how entitled your playerbase is. it's sickening.
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