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: I've just about given up on this game
I sent Riot an idea that every year players are given 3 or so "coins" - players are able to use such coin up to 3 times and once they are gone, they are gone. I proposed if you lose a ranked game that you felt wasn't your fault etc - you can use coin and not get penalized for the L- IDK how but the players that did win wouldn't be effected or lose prevented etc but only you/whoever also used such coin for that game ... Thank god I stopped playing league before this new meta cause now with every champion being "viable" what stops people from playing Braum Mid, since Braum was shown jungle? or Braum ADC, you get my point. Overall, ranked hasn't nor will ever change and if you don't like it then you gotta stop playing.
: > [{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=62jL0J9K,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-25T03:28:10.220+0000) > > I've noticed the "ward cheering" has been a bit loud and annoying but at the same time it has always been that way since I remember, especially in NA. > I remember 2015 Worlds Krepo was commenting a game with C9/FNC - I THINK and a C9 player killed a ward and he was like " In EU we don't cheer for clearing wards" or something like that. Ironic that he said it because the practice of ward cheering originated in EU. They don't do it any more but they also used to chant TSM in jest all the time when someone made a play. Oh and they used to yell STEEEEEEEEVE!!! Every time Steve was on screen.
Yeah I remember the "STEEEEEEVE" chants. I didn't know the ward chants originated from Eu, good shit! That's some good ol' reconnaissance! Overall I don't find the chants "TSM", "STEVE", "Ward clearing" annoying as it's been around forever but I can see where some people can find it distracting.
: I'm not up to date on what the public knows, but didn't I hear that those academy team members were outperforming in scrims on their counterparts? Cause if that's true, Sneaky/Jensen/Smoothie may have done even worse on stage.
Maybe Jensen/Sneaky/Smoothie are performing bad on this meta but these are the same guys that have faced SK Telecom T1, Edward Gaming, 18-0 Fnatic, MVP Froggen led Alliance(Sneaky), Samsung Blue(Sneaky) etc etc - I'd rather take 3 all-star caliber players that have been to the biggest stage and performed beyond expectations against the top teams in the world over > some CS caliber players within NA(North America) because...........of the meta. If Jensen/Sneaky/Smoothie can't complete against the likes of NA/meta then....... maybe it's time to retire.
: Ward cheering makes LCS unwatchable
I've noticed the "ward cheering" has been a bit loud and annoying but at the same time it has always been that way since I remember, especially in NA. I remember 2015 Worlds Krepo was commenting a game with C9/FNC - I THINK and a C9 player killed a ward and he was like " In EU we don't cheer for clearing wards" or something like that.
: Strategic diversity would be cutting back on snowballing so teams aren't blitzing to hit power spikes and end fast because it's easier to end by 20 than ever before. Strategic diversity is balanced numbers so roles are on equal footing, not gutting one for a patch and slowly boosting it back up until it's OP and a different champion type is garbage. ADCs are being benched because they aren't able to swap and play duelists at the same skill level, and the champs you listed are duelists, the only one somewhat like an ADC is Kai. They are separate roles and only the most literal of fans wouldn't think of ADCs as the same thing as marksmen. Oh, and when Rift Scuttler gave enough perks that is was arguably as important as a red or blue buff, that's a HUGE balance shift for jungle. They nerfed that buff pretty quick for a reason.
Pro Play I think this was something Riot did on purpose to help NA at International events. Riot knew NA would never beat international teams with strategy and smart play-calling so instead, they introduced a "fight 24/7" get behind after 1 mistake games. NA always seems to get the early game advantages but still never able to win the game cause even behind the better International teams have better shotcalling and strategies. Solo Q It's clear as ice Riot wanted people to play diverse champions as well as people b$tching over 2 years ago about games being too long(40-1hr long) so ever since 2016 Summer( I think) the solo Q games have went from 35-38 min average games to ( Long death timers, get behind = gg, garbage towers(remember that EU game with FNC/H2K I think?), and overall the thing I hate the most are these quick 22-24 min average games. Literally everything Videogame Dunkey said was a problem about League - Riot literally did exactly what he complained about in his infamous/famous " I quit league of legends"
: Anyone defending Riot still?
I agree that games are a snooze fest - I stopped playing league about a year ago but this new meta looks ok as far as champions but the game time/get behind = easy lost. LCS games are boring to watch - Who wants to watch 20 min stumps?
: 10 thoughts going into week 2 -- "Welcome to 'Whose Lane Is It Anyway' where the picks don’t matter and there are no points."
Always interesting that many teams and players do these roster swaps when the splits are only like 18 games but when games/series are "best of" they don't! Sure "don't" doesn't = never but interesting nonetheless.
: 10 thoughts going into week 2 -- "Welcome to 'Whose Lane Is It Anyway' where the picks don’t matter and there are no points."
Samael11 (NA)
: Solution to Echo Fox vs Clutch Gaming -like issues in future seasons
What happened to that "chrono" thing? Or does that only work for C9?
: Anyone else enjoying the 15 minute games?
I wouldn't expect much of a change honestly - League games have become shorter and shorter as the years have gone by - Ever since Riot changed the map back in 2016(?) games have been 1 sided stumps for the most part. Yes, some games and tournaments aren't all 20 min stumps but the majority are and have been since 2016. NA/EU it's interesting that week 1 most games were under 25 mins when you think A.) it takes rosters time to build synergy and game time sometimes is a good indicator for such but not so far. B.) Even the " the best teams are decisive in action and able to make the right move at the right time" can be 50/50 when the majority of the "juggernauts" a split ago are now getting beat in under 25 mins. It's the patch + the way Riot wants to carry the game now - They want players(solo Q) to play as many games as possible - as that was something people complained about in the past " 40-50 min games" and now when they play and/or watch they got what "they"(Cause I enjoyed 1-2 50+ min games) oppose to playing/watching 20 min stumps.
SkyeMoon (NA)
: That made me laugh. Thanks :)
: How do you explain Golden State dynasty, what was the tragic event there? Or Immortals extremely random undefeated season that they just throw finals against TSM? And if Sports are really rigged for tragic events Noblesville Indiana school shooting. Does that mean LeBron James will go to Indiana in free agency?
LeBron James Indiana - I mean maybe. LBJ wants to most likely stay in the East so he can have an easier path to the Finals every year. Indiana is a much stronger team than CLE is 1-2 years from now and IND is a team that he meets in the Playoffs constantly, he'll probably join but I doubt it. I honestly didn't even hear about the "Noblesville shooting"
: How do you explain Golden State dynasty, what was the tragic event there? Or Immortals extremely random undefeated season that they just throw finals against TSM? And if Sports are really rigged for tragic events Noblesville Indiana school shooting. Does that mean LeBron James will go to Indiana in free agency?
Immortals did lose to TSM in the semi-Finals. When did IMT go undefeated ? Huni just did what he did/does best and pull a random champion out of his ass(Lucain) and got pwnd, similar to Worlds with Riven. No rigging needed when dealing with Huni. Not every dynasty or win has something to do with tragic event......but it helps. Sports tries to bring people together. It's no secret that when massive amounts of people are scared, nervous etc a HUGE A$$ parade or noise to get their minds off such tragedy helps. California is just too big of a market to not have some sort of views/championships etc. GSW are #1 because their 3pt shooting takes the pressure of the refs. The refs will blow the whistle 300X a game for a Star(James Harden) to make them look good but if you have a team that shoots the 3 ball as good as GSW shoots, you don't have to do much. That and the league literally being paper thin with talent. Obviously sports can't make every city/state etc win or be noteworthy but they try their best to do so when tragedy strikes.
SkyeMoon (NA)
: NA LCS (salt)
I like to think the NA LCS is Worlds......makes me feel better.
: WTF c9
Goldengod went to Korea 3-4 years ago and improved greatly - sure he's been in the scene for like 5 years and haven't really produced or did anything that results in a W but dammit he deserves more and more chances to prove why they and I call him.............. GOLDENGOD!
: Are you proposing that the LCS is rigged??
I wouldn't be surprised if it was. What's the best story - a story that needs to be rewritten over and over and possibly makes 0 sense or a story that is already written -opened and closed? Look at traditional sports such as NFL, NBA, NHL etc - When a team in a certain city gets a horrific tragic event caused to such those teams in such city/state all sudden become either #1 seeds, have winning records out of the blue or wins their respective championships. Colorado shooting July 20, 2012 Peyton manning just so happend to choose DEN to play? The Broncos unexpectally got eliminated in 2OT by the Ravens(You know a team that isn't named IND/PIT/NE - the only AFC teams for the past 20 or so years to make it to the Superbowl/Ravens have been to the superbowl since?) A year later Peyton broke literally every QB record + made it to the Superbowl but.......... yeah. Boston bombing April 15, 2013 Boston/Pit NHL Conference Finals + Boston also being in the Finals 2017 las Vegas shooting October 1 2017 - Vegas Knights making it to the Finals + a great regular season when nearly everyone thought they weren't going to be bad. + C'mon whenever $ is involved it's kinda a given. Do you honestly think the players actually care about winning or losing games? it's like solo Q to them but they get paid to do so. They also get fame, girls, $ etc. Oh, I'll try my best to win WORLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And such team get paid $1-2 mill if I do - Impact from TL just got paid like $1 from his new contract - that's how little winning means to players that are already in the green anyways. So -if the cast are fine with such, why should they change the script?
: Why did TSM fire double lift?
TSM failed at Worlds twice with D-Lift, Svenskeren and BioFrost in 2016 and 2017. 1.) he already expressed a need to rest (2017 Spring Split) when that happens it's kinda a clear indication that he was thinking about retiring. 2.) He's never been a great teammate. 3.) Vanity is a b$tch 4.His personality etc -
: 2018 NA Academy League Summer Split
Great young NA talent! That being said tho, if you're not Asian or an EU player you really won't matter anyways.
: Fantasy 2018 Summer Split
1-2 days before the split starts
: EU LCS Summer Split 2018
I believe because EU is now franchised. NA got franchised I know that for a fact but I suppose so did EU.
: NALCS Summer Split Rosters?
https://lol.gamepedia.com/Roster_Swaps/2018_Midseason/North_America
: > [{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=vjIpQnYR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-05T05:30:23.257+0000) > > A double edge sword if you ask me about the whole "Change" > > Yes, the game changes a bit too much but that's also the "pro" of it also. > > If Riot could limit the releases of champions but instead focus on the ( 120+ Champions and their kits ) that they have already, League could be in a better place, in my opinion. > > Let's not forget that Riot are trying to make soloQ a need for teammates to win games and relying on your teammates to actually make smart choices makes 0 sense when it's called " Solo Q" for a good reason. So now, gone are the days of solo carrying and instead, it's "baby-sitting" the carries ( Mid/ADC) as those are the roles that gain the most $ for Riot and everyone else needs to fall in line. > > Overall, watched the video 2-3 days ago and I agree 100%. League just isn't fun and I personally gave up on it like a year ago. > > Might not be the best option but it's an interesting topic in a sense - > What if League took a 2-3 month break so developers, pros, inside sources can work on balance issues(their jobs) every year. For example League could be off-line from Jan-Feb and come back in March. They would lose to much money and the competition would take advantage of that. Honestly, they need to take a closer look at their design approach to champions, reworks, and new mechanics being added into the game. Sometimes too much of something is not good. Zoe and several new additions to the game such as the Scuttle Crab are a perfect example of that. The Developers just need to hire more people so they can pump out more VGU, reworks and actually fix what needs to be modernized in this game. Even the amount of VGU they are doing now is too little for the number of champions that need a VGU. League of Legends is just at a standstill and will not get better until the Developers fix a lot of problems with their approach to the game. Too much is being added, not enough of what really needs to be worked on is being worked on, and things are being made to be over-complicated when it just needs to be the obvious change.
True. You don't think fans/people would rush back to league after not getting their "fix" after a month+ ? Get that hype like NFL? 24/7 -365 is great but there comes a point of too much saturation in my opinion. I get what you mean tho and I fully understand. I miss 2014. What got me when it came to league was how simple it was to play, the simplicity of it all.
: My dream Job
2.40 It's not a "job" it's a way of life! Those people are called "scripters" they make and tell players what to do and decide on who lives and who dies. The players are in on it too. Why do you think the "referees" show players "cards" before games?
Vanjie (NA)
: What Happened To League of Legends? Video
A double edge sword if you ask me about the whole "Change" Yes, the game changes a bit too much but that's also the "pro" of it also. If Riot could limit the releases of champions but instead focus on the ( 120+ Champions and their kits ) that they have already, League could be in a better place, in my opinion. Let's not forget that Riot are trying to make soloQ a need for teammates to win games and relying on your teammates to actually make smart choices makes 0 sense when it's called " Solo Q" for a good reason. So now, gone are the days of solo carrying and instead, it's "baby-sitting" the carries ( Mid/ADC) as those are the roles that gain the most $ for Riot and everyone else needs to fall in line. Overall, watched the video 2-3 days ago and I agree 100%. League just isn't fun and I personally gave up on it a year ago. Might not be the best option but it's an interesting topic in a sense - What if League took a 2-3 month break so developers, pros, inside sources can work on balance issues(their jobs) every year. For example League could be off-line from Jan-Feb and come back in March.
: Summer Predictions NA LCS
Great article! X. Golden Guardians 3-15 Lourlo and Matt plain and simple just suck! Been around for what 3 years and they still can't seem to do much of anything in either teamfights or from just winning! Lourlo can get fed 2-3 early kills and yet, he's still as weak as an ADC and can't peel or do much of anything. Matt is "OK" in lane but more often than not does some stupid aggressive play to only get pwnd time - after time again. When your resume looks like this 58.8%(2016 spring) 51.2%(2016 summer 38.6%(2017 spring) 28.9%(2017 summer) 22.2%(2018 spring) win percentage it's easy to say GG are going to be ass, once again! Matt's personality is so freaking annoying to the point where I wouldn't even want to be his teammate cause he seems depressed 24/7. { I hope he isn't dealing with anything at home } but damn, I knew someone who acted just like him and it was depressing to be around them. Matt and Lourlo(AKA TL) also have some of the shortest games whenever they play just around the 30 min mark in their careers and with league becoming shorter and shorter game averages, I see GG being that team to get good fantasy points off from. This team will be lucky if they can have an average 28 mins without losing. Deftly is decent but that's about it, we've seen enough from Deftly/GG(4-18) to know that it's not going to matter much if he's a grade A talent anyways. IX. FlyQuest 4-14 They aren't GG............ Keane/Wildturtle are C-+ at times and Flame is ok but Santorin is pretty much discount Meteos. Whenever I see this guy play he's in the jungle 24/7 and only on HIS side of the jungle, whenever he does counter jungle he gets destroyed, constantly. VIII. Counter Logic Gaming 6-12 This team should have been better than what they showed last split. I don't care if they improved near the end of the split. Reignover doesn't have Huni and let's be honest - ever since they split Reignover has been that guy to drawn his sorrows at a bar of sorts. He's become a "mid tier" jungler. Huhi showed me that he's a great teammate........... that's it. He's a bit better than Pobelter but he gets destroyed by better mids all the same as Pobelter. He's gotten a bit better split by split but now he's just been hanging around the same spot for some time now, not taking that next leap but not falling off either. CLG's objective focus last year was middle of the pack too Kills 4th Deaths 8th Towers 7th Towers lost 8th Dragons per game 6th Heralds per game 8th Barons per game 10th No real shotcalling and NO, I don't see Biofrost being a leader - I'm sorry but there's a reason why D$cks are leaders and " boys' next door" are pushovers. He's not aggressive enough to be a leader and neither is Reignover, they're both too kind and nice. - Great teammates from all 5 but that's about it. Mid tier talent, mid tier objective focus, just average. 0 direction - VII. Clutch Gaming 6-12 Am I the only one that feels a rift between CG and Lira ? Last split he seemed like he didn't give a s$it about his team...not showing up to teamfights, not being there for dragons - there's something - This team is good but not as good as people may think - They're too evened out for my taste, they all share from each other's success from kills, cs, damage % etc. This team(Mainly Lira) also plays for the late-game far too often - I swear everytime I see Lira in a game I instantly know it's going to be a 40+ min game with Lira's team maybe, maybe with 7 kills with no real objectives on their side........ Don't quote me on this but Lira himself said something like " I don't want to be/play on a team for just kills but instead I want to be strategic" or something like that- well I"M SORRY BUDDY but this is NA. Solo is good but at times I don't think he knows what he's doing and gets dunked more times than not from dumb plays. Apollo is actually a decent fantasy player to own when considering he too is Mr. Overtime(40+ mins average) his CS is pretty decent too(thanks to 40 mins per game) Whatever team Apollo is on - Overtime is sure to follow 2014 spring coast 39.35 1st 2015 TIP 36.46 8th 2015 TIP 37.07 7th 2016 DIG 36.58 3rd 2016 APEX 37.44 2nd 2017 NV 38.38 2nd 2017 NV 37.26 1st 2018 CG 37.40 6th I believe Apollo has been in more 40+ min games(Overtime) than Froggen himself....... VI. Optic Gaming 10-8 This team just needs a solid tank top player but I suppose being a meatshield is too hard for NA players. Optic has 3 aggressive players but the team is too star heavy in regards that they don't have real protection for such stars. The team has the talent but when it comes to P.O.E he's been on some teams before that were mid-tier talent wise but still made the playoffs and it shouldn't be no different here. Last split Optic was the most "rag-tag" constructed team in NA but they weren't that bad, sure they were still garbage but showed early game promise. The team just needs 1.) A tank top that can actually peel and not get bent over in lane(ZIG!!!!!!!) and 2.) Shotcalling - the best player on the team is Korean and the 2nd best doesn't strike me as a leader(PowerofEvil). V. Team Liquid 11-7 Everything went right for TL in the Playoffs but the regular split was another story. The team was decent early in the split but fell off during the middle but why? OH because TL is easy to play against(If you're an actual good team and not just NA teams), TL's ban strategies suck and their predictable ( Protect the D-Lift + Impact TP's + Pobelter roams) has been NA's calling card since 2015). D-Lift had an off split in lane but was still top 3 easily, Impact slowed down also but he's still a top tier player also. Overall, this team should make the playoffs in an NA top heavy league but that's about it. IV. Echo Fox 12-6 Altec improved last split and even last year compared to his career but I've seen enough of Altec to know he's just "Cs w$ore". He still sucks in teamfights but yet, he gets a decent amount of kills randomly. This team has the talent but not the synergy and how could they with Adrian and Dardoch being themselves as well as the subbing out Fenix during the split after he literally went bat-shit crazy 1v2 constantly in lane. III. Cloud 9 12-6 This close to Worlds I think C9 will pretty much do everything in their power to not only make Worlds and have a great NA regular split but also try to win NA Finals for the first time since 2014 Summer. Licorice had an amazing split last year but similar to the Dallas Cowboys Ezekial I think Licorice had everything in his favor and was lucky to have such a great split. Most of his kills came from dumb choices from opposing tops but his kills w/ C9's wins were dramatically cut during the second half and I have to say it was more so teams were correcting their mistakes. Cloud 9 are the Blackhawks of the NA LCS - They either win the NA Finals or they get eliminated in the first round. II. Team Solomid 13-5 Pound for pound TSM has the star roster but........... Hauntzer needs to stop playing these aggressive tops and return to just being a tank player - We get it, you think you're a carry but ( Worlds Jayce 2 years in a row, you're really not) Bjergsen needs to actually play like he has a set instead of being in the back 24/7 doing nothing all game and crying that he has no help. Zven/Mithy WTH happened to their lane phase? We're they ever good in lane? Were they just average players during a time when EU was literally just Fnatic and Origen? One thing is for certain Zven/Mithy will leave TSM if they can't make it to the NA Finals( Quote me on that). I. 100 Thieves 14-4 This is a team that has all of the right pieces in the right places TOP - Mid Korean synergy(Ssumday-Ryu) Sup - Jng friends for years(Aprhomoo- Meteos) And a ADC that is wet behind the ear and just needs to listen and do his job. I love it - They have veterans, they have charisma and charm to their name, their proven within 1 split, they have the Brad Stevens of coaches(Prolly). The team just needs to work on their map and shotcalling a bit more is all.
Cobey (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=ZLQ4ImkZ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-28T17:34:06.287+0000) > > What 7-8 years of failure too long for you? > > League of Legends in general is boring to watch and play if you ask me. > > As far as the pro scene goes/NA LCS yes, don't continue to watch that garbage and spend your time doing something else. > > Watching NA LCS is like writing a love letter to a girl each and every day rewriting such letter so it can be perfect then when you finally build up the courage to give her such letter to the girl at prom; the biggest event for students,you then see her(NA) getting butt-f#cked by pretty much everyone(LCK/LPL/EU/LMS) and it's like "Do I even want her now". 1-2 days go by and she's now cleaned up and you see her again(NA LCS Trailers) and you start the yearning for her.....again > > End NA's misery and yours! Man I keep getting friendzoned by NALCS :(
I've had "blue balls" for the past 5 years because of NA. Tease!
: Isn't that the point of trying to find an author with a good use of voice and/ or storytelling? To make it a bit more interesting? Personally, the articles that have come out this year I've felt are much better than the ones released in the past. Especially the ones where the author ranks NA teams, that guy is hilarious.
True. The articles and storytelling the last few months have been a bit better oppose to previous years but it will soon fade. Either the writer won't care to put in the effort when the desire to do so is same ol' - same ol' results. It's like being a broadcaster for GSW/CLE are you really that excited, have much else to say, surprised. Let's say you become a Riot writer( in which I wish you the best) and you have to literally write the same thing over and over, you wouldn't get bored? Even if you're a great writer the grind will get to you cause there's only so many memes that are "there" TL - 4th LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLIOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOILLLLLOLOLOLOL Hilarious! SKT - Wins - TSM - Group stage failures............... C9 - GIVE THEM YOUR ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like we've already seen those memes/facts and yet, 7-8 years in and it seems that's really the only storylines that seem to get read, article after article. Are you going to be any different if you do get the job are anyone else? Yeah, the articles have been "funny" but not so much informational with stats, previous stats, history etc - we've already seen "funny/meme filled articles" going on 8 years now!
: Lolesports call for freelance writers!
What exactly is there to write about that hasn't already been done before? Memes? Some weird stupid games that players play when they're knocked out of tournaments like twister, VR experiences? Rubbing on Korea's nipples from pwning every other region tournament after tournament? China and EU just "there" always coming in 2nd-3rd/4th every tournament? NA getting bent over time after time? We've already seen 7-8 years worth of "Esports" articles and it's gotten real boring and repetitive.
: Is the na lcs even worth watching?
What 7-8 years of failure too long for you? League of Legends in general is boring to watch and play if you ask me. As far as the pro scene goes/NA LCS yes, don't continue to watch that garbage and spend your time doing something else. Watching NA LCS is like writing a love letter to a girl each and every day rewriting such letter so it can be perfect then when you finally build up the courage to give her such letter to the girl at prom; the biggest event for students,you then see her(NA) getting butt-f#cked by pretty much everyone(LCK/LPL/EU/LMS) and it's like "Do I even want her now". 1-2 days go by and she's now cleaned up and you see her again(NA LCS Trailers) and you start the yearning for her.....again End NA's misery and yours!
: SUGGESTION: How to Improve the LCS for the Longterm
Not sure about the whole " LCS teams are only permitted to scrim their own Academy teams, and Academy teams are only permitted to scrim with their own LCS teams ". - Echo Fox a year or so ago tried something like this and it didn't turn out so well, matter of fact, they did so and came in like 10th place 3 or so splits in a row. I get somewhat the idea but overall, I don't see how it could help the A-tier LCS rosters when only facing off their B-tier rosters. " Academy teams to have significantly more players, you will start to see new players up-and-coming consistently". - Something I talked about when the LCS was a Best of 3 was combining the Spring and Summer Split together in which in turn, will make teams bring out their full rosters so their starting lineup wouldn't get drained through a long season(108 max games possible or 72 least amount of possible games). Having a long split + the safety net of being secured in the LCS now(franchising), teams/players shouldn't have a problem in using off meta champions that could give them multiple losses when looking at the grand scheme of things- having a longer split/season. For example - Would you bring out a possible off-meta pick in a 18 game split when your team is currently at 0-2? Or would you bring out such off-meta pick and possibly continue to do so when the split/season is much, much longer than just 18 games? Long story short and it's going to be brutally honest- 1.) NA Challenger level players are TRASH! Why would NA continue to buy LCK/EU/LPL players if it wasn't? NA LCS has been dominated by Doublelift, Sneaky, Aphromoo, Wildturtle all whom have been playing since 2011/2013(professionally) and players such as Big, Fabbyy, Lourlo, Matt etc can't even stay consistent for 1 split, nonetheless actually be good. No matter what, when it comes to NA talent and watchability it comes down to this - Who will NA grab next from the Korea/China/EU pool? 2.) IDK nor have I looked up the streams/views etc # of people watching LCS but to me and in my opinion, league is dying - I don't see many people continue to watch the same thing over and over - Riot prides themselves with having 150+Champions but when it comes to LCS/Pro scene it's literally the same 10 champions across all Leagues! Same winners across the board - Besides 1-2 splits the pro scene has been dominated by - SK TELECOM T1, TEAM SOLOMID, CLOUD 9, FNATIC, EDWARD GAMING, ROYAL NEVER GIVE UP -for the past 7-8 years. You also have to look at the news - with everything and everyone being "offended" and looking at League of Legends it's really not the best place when it comes to an non-toxic community. All it takes is 1 bad case or someone having just a small chance to sue Riot for some stupid reason and BAM Bye-bye League, Bye-bye Riot, bye-bye predictable lcs outcomes and winners. 3.) The games are 1 sided and boring - I personally love watching and playing 40+ min games but now, now games are 1 sided and 20 min stomps! Who finds playing or watching league enjoyable now? 2011-2014 - Win or lose an average 40+ min game " man, I lost but X team earned that win" 2015-now " Got stunned for 40 secs within the first 2 mins of the game died and now X team are up 1-0 in kills.......GG" I'm a bit biased but it's really the truth when it comes to League and NA LCS.
: Should Riot implement an "LCS Prediction" game?
They might as I would never say never but I doubt Riot will do this. I said something similar about a Season "Pick em" but got no answer and that was close to 3 years ago but I kept at it for about a year 1/2 and still got 0 responses from Riot. - I also remember seeing some posts about a "Game of the week" vote from fans as some fans wonder which games are worth watching and wanted a vote system on such games. Things that I personally would love! Season pick em's (NA/EU) - I hope LPL/LCK/LMS could be apart but idk if Riot can. - It would so easy to just create some type of game like "pick em" so again, it could happen but it's too far from Riot's mindset honestly. Season stat prediction - Be able to predict players' stats for the split. Could also have game modes like - "Which player will have the most kills, deaths, assists, cs" -"Which team will have the most dragons, barons, etc etc etc -Averages etc NA - Eu ALL TIME STAT BOARD - Literally been asking for this since 2013 and won't stop until this game dies(2013-2020?) I would like Riot to keep up2date and actually SHOW the players all time stats in the regular season. What's the point in making League into an E-sport and make it as professional as real sports when they can't keep up with their own products stats? - Overall, Loki - You are wasting your time and effort, dude. If you want Riot(NA/EU) to do something, you gotta contact Korea first and tell them so they can possibly do it first, then Riot(NA/EU) will do what they do best and just "copy paste".
: NA's International Performance and Image
NA will never be as good as people hope cause the players themselves don't have the same respect for the game. NA is good for memes, popularity and crushed dreams of ever doing anything that could be defined as "earned". NA takes talent from every region and yet, can't seem to actually capitalize on such talents. We(NA) just don't care about winning, especially when you can still make a quick $ or two just coming in 16th or X place you still get $. Also, streaming is more popular than LCS is anyways. It's sad but NA won't ever result in nothing more than flashy garbage. OH, NA "Could" actually win SOMETHING like Worlds but when it does will it even matter? LCK has already won Wolrds + numerous tournaments, EU won the first ever Worlds, LMS won Worlds, LPL have been the 2nd best region since the start of league and again, if NA does indeed ever win Worlds example it would be "memed" more so than being praised cause it's like "What took you so long" when every other region has already won Wolrds(LCK/EU/LMS) or won an event that could be Worlds 1/2(EDG/RNG).
: The other guy I really miss/missed is Admiral Howe. Dude would put in some effort breaking down his personal rankings every week of each team and position. I know I have some opinions and ideas that would really go against the grain, but one of the best things about the chat here was even if people disagreed, it often was respectful and didn't turn into flame wars. I think the state of NA is one part Riot, one part the teams. Partly Riot because of how wonky their game balance is. Leaving some champs be when they are near 100% pick ban and clearly OP, some champion classes becoming irrelevant for insanely long periods of time while others are stronger than all others. Partly teams because there hasn't been an NA team who tried to challenge the meta. Nobody has tried to gamble and win in unconventional fashion. Worse, players focus on streaming a lot because they can make more that way, and aren't earnestly practicing to improve. Top it off with sheer statistics, NA is only 10% of the global player base, while China, EU, and Korea are all 20% or more. By numbers alone, they develop more and better talent. It's just not fun as an NA fan anymore.
Admiral Howe sounds familiar but I can't say that I remember, sadly. Oh, I don't doubt he most likely put in the effort, many people did back in the day. Yeah, I personally really enjoyed my ("arguments" - Not really when he was correct 99.9% of the time) with MYE. I also miss GeminiRune, Ale Non E Male, Wood etc. " one of the best things about the chat here was even if people disagreed, it often was respectful and didn't turn into flame wars". - True. I remember I said Wildturtle was better than Sneaky and while I got some comments being vulgar, it was nice to have conversations on why I had such opinion. NA gets the glamour, lights and $. All that's missing is "ACTION"........... or results for that matter. An interesting subject is the Longevity of League and NA. If League/E-sports is here to stay for years to come then it's not going to bold well for NA when you think most of the NA talent are foreign players + old players, such as ( D-lift, Aphromoo, Meteos, Sneaky, Bjergsen, Darshan, Pobelter etc) players that's been in the scene since 2011/ 2013 competitive. Sure every region has players that too are considered old but when you look at the developed players between regions as our most developed players are( Smoothie/Biofrost) but also players that for lack of a better term suck(Goldenglue, Fabbyy, Big, Lourlo etc) maybe not suck but they all been in the scene for years also but still haven't produced any believable promise. While EU seems to get 2-3 players on each team that have great upside and LCK/LPL are so huge with it's player base that it's not even close to the possibility of the next "Faker". " It's just not fun as an NA fan anymore" - ;( Yeah..... NA has worn out it's charm at this point.
: Why thank you. You and some others also wrote some very good posts. I firmly suspect anyone who writes Esports articles for Riot only barely has any journalism experience and I would wager far less passion than the fans who would piece together long breakdowns or more in depth critiques. Riot basically NEVER says anything bad about anyone and won't ever pinpoint weaknesses in their articles, only try to find a positive for every team. I don't know of this was why they took it down, or if it was because of backlash over several major changes in the off-season, or they simply thought it wasn't worth keeping up for a while? I kinda suspect all of the above. With a divided forum, Riot couldn't control the narrative. Shutting it down did.
Np. Not going to lie you annoy the F-out of me sometimes but there's no denying that back in the day/and still today, you posted some interesting topics/discussions that had me scratching my head in amazement. In short, much respect to you I think Riot taking down the Esports column during franchising to be counterintuitive to what they were trying to do. Why eliminate the fans point of view? Overall, this community is dead and it's sad to say/see cause 1-2 years ago this was a HUGE part of my life. I loved coming home from work and talking about E-Sports but over the years it's been pointless to really talk/do articles about anything when everyone already know the story; the story being Korea wins and NA gets dunked every tournament. It's pointless! Maybe that's why Riot took it down. Maybe they thought if they took away the "talk/word of mouth" from fans on the board, that would keep less light drawn to the script of the same ol' playing out and give less clarity to investors, new fans etc to the E-sports scene/competitive side of League? IDK Either way, here in 2 weeks I'll be gone doing my military service and won't be apart of the community -but it was fun while it lasted.
: Why care about that when they can make more money streaming? Plus pro league moneys kinda booty son. Maybe that'll change now that theres going to be legal gambling on it. NA makes the money and makes the games the other regions make their life's work to be good at. Who's the trash here... really?
$105,385 average NA salary Now IDK how true that is but that's close or near to say an Officer in the US Army/Military. Not to mention if that's "Per split, contract for X amount of splits etc" So you're telling me regions that don't make the money have more of a desire than those that make "Booty" $105,385 ? Trash indeed. Impact I believe was even given $1,000,000 recently. IDK about you but that's more than enough for me to put my best foot forward and actually "TRY", while playing a "Videogame" to one day actually DO something. But that's just me.
: RNG ends Korea's three year stay atop the world
: Liquid in a best of 5
If Pobelter isn't going to be aggressive in these International tournaments when he's picking these aggressive/hyper carries like Ryze/Malz and only getting around 10-14 kills in each tournament, then he needs to just pick shield like champions and play second fiddle to D-Lift/Impact. 1-2 kills per game isn't going to cut it anymore when games are 25-30 mins long with fights after fights! He NEEDs to be aggressive but he's been in the scene for 5 years now and he still hasn't changed his style of play. So TL will need to either change players or have Impact play less tanks and more AD/AP heavy champions to carry POE's weight.
Cobey (NA)
: So how about them Flash Wolves
While Flash Wolves are no (Korean Kills!) they are in my opinion the BAR when it comes to putting up decent fights in tournaments. People talk about Tsm domestic success but Flash Wolves are on the same level, not to mention they(for the most part, tend to do something on the International stage) If you can't beat Flash wolves then you have no reason to be on the International stage!
: Doesn't help Riot deleted this subforum for about four months. Or that a few of the handful of regular posters were IMT fans and have very little reason to care about LoL Esports now. Also doesn't help NA still lives up to the meme of massive international failure.
I honestly thought Riot took down the "Esports forum" because there were people that posted better material on the regular basis than they did themselves. I could name off 10 people that's also counting you that posted material that could rival Riot. Like you said tho, it's the same script being played out and if you're from NA and a fan of NA first then you tend to just get bored of the same thing.
: Yeah same, I'm a bit annoyed but not mad. I didn't have high expectations for them. I hoped that they would at least beat europe though. I don't understand why they picked Jhin in the final game, when RNG had tanks like Ornn, Braum, plus Karma shields. I don't see any way they could have gotten to the Kog even if they were ahead, unless the kog was really out of position. Serious question, not being sarcastic.
I can't even remember the last time NA has even won a "tie-breaker"! At this point I'm at the point where I'm already done playing the game and now, there's really no reason to watch LCK win pretty much everything and NA to get bent over year after year, event after event. 2014 Najin def C9. 2015 AHQ def C9. 2017 FNC def C9. 2017. MFS def TSM.
EPIKON (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=McGNRppG,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2018-05-11T07:17:47.767+0000) > > I think FNC are going into this tournament as a powerhouse team, with also RNG. > > KZD they're a team full of superstars and while we have seen(ROX 2/3.0) beat the top teams in the LCK and make decent showings at International events part of the members fall short more times than not. > > FW- I have no idea which FW will show up, the "Korea Kills" or the team that got destroyed at Worlds? > > TL- I want to say TL #1 with like a 7-8 win record out of 10 games but it's NA! However, it's not TSM, so anything is possible. > > Evos- Is a team that I hope makes some noise is it's basically Gigabyte Marines 2.0 > > I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably. Yeah, because RNG has done anything to show for come the World stages, LMAO. Tired of this script about Uzi being better than PraY because he thrives when his team plays around him, serious? Hell, look at PraY and you tell me how he played against Uzi when KDZ played around him. ROX and KDZ chose to play around Top lane because they have carry top laners in Smeb and Khan unlike other teams minus SKT with MaRin back in 2015. Even Bang was a badass when SKT played around Bang after MaRin left in the past two seasons. Tencent is ruining the League with their tiresome script of making a Chinese superstar who in reality shits the bed every time when the shit gets real. Look at RNG's lineup and you tell me who can carry their team other than Uzi, that would be no one. That's why they play around Uzi because he's their only chance and that doesn't make him the best ADC in the world, where's the logic in that. Every player on KDZ's roster is considered a top 3 player in their respective roles in LCK including their substitute Jungler Cuzz. 2018 KDZ is better than 2016 ROX in that they have night and day better Mid laner in BDD and if you think a team that's improved from runner-up to 2016 World Champion SKT is "not as good as people make them out to be," then you tell me which team is better than KDZ in 2018. RNG need another name change to RTG, Royal Time to Give up.
: It's because kz has shown dominance for a split. When they can show it for a season, win worlds, and return to Korea still dominant next season, then they've begun to show the same greatness as Faker. It's hard to be the best for a time, but harder still to MAINTAIN being the best - and that's the current difference between faker and kz. BDD is great - especially when he can play tankier champs like swain, get a lead, and then just run around everywhere enabling his team. But he hasn't been around as long. It's like looking at a rookie vs a veteran who are both at the top of their role. One is great and has potential to surpass the other, but most coaches would bet towards the veteran in a clutch moment. Of course league is a team-reliant game, so this impacts things as far as what someone is allowed to do 1v1. Sometimes it means you get to play more agro and look amazing, other times it means you are 1v3 trying to waveclear to protect your tower w/o dying or... sacrificing your life to stop the enemy from basing so your team can make a play elsewhere. We've seen a number of these players look great one split or regular season and then lose at worlds or in playoffs (hello koo/rox tigers for example). That's why one amazing split just means... one amazing split with the POTENTIAL for more.
Exactly! I think KZD are great and has a 6th sense of controlling game time but F-ME people think I'm s$itposting Korea or KZD or something cause I personally said "KZD aren't as good as people make them out to be" Will KZD be a top tier team for splits to come..........Honestly I have no clue considering not only do they change their name constantly they also seem to change players on the rag as well! KZD won what 2 and Rox 1 or so splits with a total of 3? and not knocking them for having great splits but they were in the Finals for all of them to start out facing off against teams constantly that had to fight 3 rounds before. SKT and KSV are most likely going to rebound from their mediocre split Afreeca will try to make a statement next split and, KT well.....KT is KT
EPIKON (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=McGNRppG,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2018-05-11T07:17:47.767+0000) > > I think FNC are going into this tournament as a powerhouse team, with also RNG. > > KZD they're a team full of superstars and while we have seen(ROX 2/3.0) beat the top teams in the LCK and make decent showings at International events part of the members fall short more times than not. > > FW- I have no idea which FW will show up, the "Korea Kills" or the team that got destroyed at Worlds? > > TL- I want to say TL #1 with like a 7-8 win record out of 10 games but it's NA! However, it's not TSM, so anything is possible. > > Evos- Is a team that I hope makes some noise is it's basically Gigabyte Marines 2.0 > > I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably. KZD wins the MSI. Wins the LCK Summer split. Then goes to win the LCK Autumn aka World Championship and this guy will still say nah, KZD isn't that good. What a joke.
I'll give all the credit to KZD if they win even the Summer Split or Worlds etc but don't make it seem like you know what I'll say, bud. KZD isn't as good as people made them out to be for MSI!!!!!! MSI isn't LCK or Worlds!!!!!! Think before you type!
Gwynder (OCE)
: They are that good though... I have watched nearly every match in the LCK this split. At their best, they are insanely scary. Although, I do agree, as a team they could choke a little on the international stage, the chance of that happening is quite low. I think teams really gotta come up with some off meta strategies/picks and completely surprise them. Still... Go FNC!!
6-4 and they aren't this "juggernaut team" as people made them out to be. People are making out like I don't like KZD or respect them; I DO! but when a team has 5 #1-3 top players at every position a lot of things can end of going against them and it's more on pride and selfish play from KZD themselves. KZD are the equivalent to say CLG but 20X better. Remember CLG on the International stage? They would beat or look really good against teams and regions like LCK/LPL etc but lose or look like s$it against regions that 19/20 people have never heard of before.
EPIKON (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=McGNRppG,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2018-05-11T07:17:47.767+0000) > > I think FNC are going into this tournament as a powerhouse team, with also RNG. > > KZD they're a team full of superstars and while we have seen(ROX 2/3.0) beat the top teams in the LCK and make decent showings at International events part of the members fall short more times than not. > > FW- I have no idea which FW will show up, the "Korea Kills" or the team that got destroyed at Worlds? > > TL- I want to say TL #1 with like a 7-8 win record out of 10 games but it's NA! However, it's not TSM, so anything is possible. > > Evos- Is a team that I hope makes some noise is it's basically Gigabyte Marines 2.0 > > I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably. Yeah, because RNG has done anything to show for come the World stages, LMAO. Tired of this script about Uzi being better than PraY because he thrives when his team plays around him, serious? Hell, look at PraY and you tell me how he played against Uzi when KDZ played around him. ROX and KDZ chose to play around Top lane because they have carry top laners in Smeb and Khan unlike other teams minus SKT with MaRin back in 2015. Even Bang was a badass when SKT played around Bang after MaRin left in the past two seasons. Tencent is ruining the League with their tiresome script of making a Chinese superstar who in reality shits the bed every time when the shit gets real. Look at RNG's lineup and you tell me who can carry their team other than Uzi, that would be no one. That's why they play around Uzi because he's their only chance and that doesn't make him the best ADC in the world, where's the logic in that. Every player on KDZ's roster is considered a top 3 player in their respective roles in LCK including their substitute Jungler Cuzz. 2018 KDZ is better than 2016 ROX in that they have night and day better Mid laner in BDD and if you think a team that's improved from runner-up to 2016 World Champion SKT is "not as good as people make them out to be," then you tell me which team is better than KDZ in 2018. RNG need another name change to RTG, Royal Time to Give up.
I honestly have no fucking clue what you're on about, friend-o! I said nothing about Pray being worse than Uzi or anything about RNG being better than KZD. All I said was RNG is coming into MSI as a "Powerhouse team" I also stated " I stand by with my thoughts on KZD. I think they're not as good as people make them out to be. Now, will they win MSI? Probably". 6-4 record isn't some Juggernaut final boss! 8-3 is! Now, is RNG better than KZD? Most likely not but as I stated " KZD isn't as good as people make them out to be" people had KZD #1 with like a 10-0 record. People picked Koo to win Worlds 2 years in a row/be in it 2 years in a row at least. People picked Rox/Koo to go perfect in groups 2016. Will KZD win MSI? Also again, "Probably" KingZone Dragon X are good but they are not THAT good, just yet hopefully!
xChin (EUW)
: So quiet here.
Talking about TL? Kinda, but the boards on the E-Sports have been dead for awhile now, honestly. People here just don't seem to care anymore about a game that caters for pro play and not to mention the games are nothing but 25 min stomps with the same script being played over and over.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Bjergsen actually made some good points about why NA is trash and why they will always be trash. It's because of their mind set. NA players just don't care. They only care about becoming famous on streams and get their clips trending on Reddit. They only care about making money, because it's easy with Twitch. So, they hit Challenger, they stream and they get money. If any of them goes pro, good shit, that's even more money. But they don't care about personal success as much. Look at Korea. Koreans live and breathe for this kind of competition, you can see it in their tradition and culture. They want to be successful at this, so they put in the hours, the put in the effort. NA, on the other hand, doesn't. They obviously want to win as well, but they just don't really care as much, they don't put in the effort and it shows. Most of the players don't care, especially those on the low end, the teams don't care either. They secured a spot in the NA LCS, they got their sponsors, so they simply don't give a fuck about raising pay grades for their players and coaches. Why the fuck would a coach spend time working on macro and all that stuff, just to get paid a meaningless amount? There was a reddit post that said something about 500$ / month for the coaches or something. No wonder why they don't care. And it's not like the players on TSM or TL or C9 are unskilled. Sure, they aren't as good as the best Koreans, but the problem is their macro and team play. Any region in the world just outclasses NA. But hey, Riot is gonna keep on hyping NA. Summer split is coming, so they will make a couple of trailers to hype it up, casters and analysts will keep on saying how they have a stacked league with stacked teams. They keep on saying the same shit every single fucking split since I started watching back in 2015, and every fucking time, NA gets stomped at EVERY INTERNATIONAL EVENT, most notably Worlds. Flash Wolves have had success at Worlds. EU, mainly with FNC, have had tremendous success as well. Chinese teams, like EDG and RNG have been a household name. Korea has won 5 straight World Championships, with most of the finals being between Korean teams. NA has done nothing at all. They only just hand out money to buy players, because that's what players want, and no one really cares about improving.
Ain't that the truth! But NA won't make any effort to learn macro play, dude. They don't get paid to do so.
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