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: > [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=teWE36Es,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T06:06:09.927+0000) > > As I said, "poorly designed" is generally in regards to gameplay mechanics, not the feel of the kit which is what OP dislikes. He's essentially saying "I don't like Sylas", that doesn't mean he's poorly designed because tons of other players love the champion so far. > > Yes. > > I (and many others) think that a spell thief champion like this is very unique. This entire post just boils down to personal opinion, again, Sylas isn't poorly designed because OP doesn't like him. Disliking something =/= it being poorly designed. > > Okay. I'll answer those questions. > _____________________ > > I think Sylas looks neat, but we need to wait until he's got extensive playtime and data to back up any gameplay assumptions. Overall, I'm excited. I hope he isn't overtuned on release and by the looks of it, hopefully numbers will be all that need to be tweaked. > > Nobody has any way of legitimately answering this because he hasn't been released. Personally, artistically he looks good (if a bit plain), lore wise he's interesting and adds a darker side to Demacia, and again, we have no way of answering any gameplay related questions. > > Well considering that no other champion has any moves, design, or lore similar to Sylas, no, they weren't being lazy. He's entirely unique. > > I personally don't hate games based off of one aspect alone. I don't mind League's current state and Pyke has single-handedly revived the fun-aspect of supporting for me, so anything introduced at this point would have to be very, _very_ poor to ruin that feeling for me. > > As I said above, he looks interesting, I just hope he isn't overtuned. Does the feel of the kit not come from its design? Redefining "design" to only refer to objective mechanical ability is a weak strawman. I still don't think you read past the title. Sylas isn't even LoL's first "spell thief," or have you forgotten Zoe? OP doesn't just dislike Sylas for no reason; OP dislikes the _design_ of a champ whose ult copies existing ults. Which is why they're saying it's a poor _design_. We don't need "extensive playtime and data to back up any gameplay assumptions." Some assumptions, yes. Others, not necessarily. For example, what about a champion with unlimited autoattack range? Would you need "extensive playtime and data to back up" the "gameplay assumption" that that's a terrible idea? I would hope not. As for Sylas, a champ so heavily influenced by the enemy team composition is obviously (to perceptive people who don't fawn over every wild idea Riot dumps out) is a recipe for disaster, as it's too inconsistent to even _get_ usable data, and yet requires a huge amount of game knowledge to even be usable. And, once again, this thread is about whether an ult-cloning champ detracts from the uniqueness of the cloned ults, which doesn't rely on stats at all. I don't know what was the point of insisting on those stats except to join in on the "you can't have thoughts based on current information until you have all the information" bandwagon that springs up every time a champion is revealed. And the champion's kit and lore are already available - he's even playable on PBE. I'd say we can answer at least _some_ gameplay-related questions. No moves similar to Sylas? How about Riven's dash and shield? No lore similar to Sylas? How about Xerath, the imprisoned magician who carries bits of his prison/chains around with him? No gameplay mechanic similar to Sylas? How about Zoe, stealing other champions' spells to use against them? And every time he ults, it'll be one we've seen before, only it's random and different and unpredictable every game, because LoL players love randomness. There's no way for him to be just a little overtuned or undertuned, because he's the embodiment of inconsistency. He won't even be consistent in the exact same matchups over time, even without touching his kit, because changes to other champions' ults (or kits, in the case of champions like Shyvana, Nid, Elise, Karma, etc.) will also affect his power. Finally, another reminder: OP doesn't like the _design_ of a champion who doesn't have his own actual ult and just copies existing ults, positing that it makes _those_ ults lose some of their uniqueness. It's not too early to discuss whether you like that design or not.
Ty KFceytron, you truly grasped the meaning of the OP. Some people may have misunderstood me as thinking Sylas is broken or has oppressive mechanics, but you saw that I really was just unhappy with Sylas taking the uniqueness of some champions away from them. Champions like Malphite, Amumu, Olaf, Tryndamere, Master Yi, and more especially lose some of their uniquesness because many of them are defined by their ultimates. ( like people really only play amumu or malphite because of their awesome ults, not really the rest of their kit). Sorry for my ambiguous english in the OP. See you in the fields of justice my friend!!!
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