Boppas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y62jMGQk,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-03-20T02:45:25.101+0000) > > 0/15 may not be inting depending on the circumstances. You fail to mention the length of the game, if they have assists, are they being countered, and other information thay could contribute to a poor score that isn't inting. That was a reference in which I had a match I was Trist against MF and Blitz my supp was Galio went 0/11/3
How would I know that? I'm a Pandaa, not a mind reader Boopas. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
: I got perm banned cuz my boyfriends sent me some gifts from the account he purchased online?
So, this is what it looks like to me: Your boyfriend buys compromised/stolen accounts to seend you gifts. Instead of doing the correct way; such as making and leveling an account to 5, buying you a rp card, or flat out buying rp on your account. If you are aware her is buying a compromised account and sending you a gift with said account. You could be an accomplice if he was using the rp/be that the original account owner had. ___ Now, you might want to wait and try live chat tomorrow when it is up. However, seeing as he went through a complicated method to send you a gift by breaking rules, they may not reverse it.
Boppas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Y62jMGQk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-20T02:19:57.373+0000) > > Because both ruin games, and flaming is obvious, where trolling is many times indistinguishable from having a bad game? If i went lets say 0/15 on purpose and say my top told me "Can you stop inting" then I go onto be a troll spamming in chat and top says to me "You are bad at the game" and gets chat banned and me going 0/15 is okey dokey?
0/15 may not be inting depending on the circumstances. You fail to mention the length of the game, if they have assists, are they being countered, and other information thay could contribute to a poor score that isn't inting.
: 14 day suspension
Unless it was a false positive situation, it most likely won't help you at this point in time.
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LIFiFNXZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-19T23:33:19.970+0000) > > Depends on exactly how you spoke to them to give this strategic advice. Maybe I spoke aggressive but I did not use swearwords of any kind. ...They were literally sabotaging the whole 30 min game. You know. Trading a single top tower for 2 inhibs by ignoring pings with baron in our base just to prove a point is not a "tactical blunder". It is more like a message of "screw you other 3 we play our game"
Swear words =/= equal toxicity or lack of toxicity. Something like: >Don't push when they have baron idiots. Defend with us. That would likely be considered toxic by the system.
: Is this reportable?
Depends on exactly how you spoke to them to give this strategic advice.
: Oh already planning to, thank you. Though he is currently in a game. Do I have to wait until he's out? Can't seem to do much cause it keeps trying to connect me. Might be hard to log in.
: Hacked Account
Support ticket. Although if you can log into it, you may want to change the password.
: yea same thing happened to my bothers first account its kinda stupid how context doesn't matter. (he cussed up his 5 man pre-made and then ended the game with gg ez and an enemy reported him)
The system reviews what the reporter was able to see. The only exception for that rule might be Zero Tolerance stuff. Which means one of your brothers 4 friends, since 5 man premade, reported him.
: Still lose-lose. Forces you to dodge or lose even more LP. Your solution is bogus
And yet you haven't presented a soultion to improve this. The pre game report would only solve people stating their intentions, thus making it harder to prove the intent was to troll.
So... What changed between a month ago and this? This is the second time you have posted for the exact same punishment. Are you expecting different answers? 1. Their behavior does not excuse your own. 2. You haven't shared games 1 and/or 3 (if there is a 3.) 3. Mute exists to defend oneself during a game. If you feel they were exceptionally bad, report post game.
: and 3 warnings??? lol 1
If you didn't have 2 Chat Restrictions, and only had a previous 14 day ban; then you probably broke zero tolerance rules
: ***
Did you miss this part? >By repeating what they said, you became a voice for them to spread hate speech to other players. You are just as at fault as they were. **However, in the past, sometimes, Riot has reduced punishments for this if you submit a support ticket and express that you know what you did wrong.** The part that lets the OP know that Riot may reverse it as a False Positive?
: Chat restriction over this wtf?
Hmmm how weird that it is missing items. Like pre game, in-game, and post game labels. You shouldn't remove those labels.
: ***
Asides from a rocky start when he first got it, Rujitra isn't doing bad with the tag. The tag just signifies that they know about information for that sub board. Just because you disagree with some of that information or the way it is presented does not mean a specialist is bad. No one made the OP dodge the match. They chose to dodge because of someone who was apparently going to troll. I get it, sucky situation, again though; no one forced op to dodge. As for insensitive and bias, have you considered it is a neutral response? People seem to love calling people fanboys simply because they know the rules of the game. That doesn't make a bias. People wanna focus on the fact it eas Lux Jungle and they already said things like "I'll troll." Okay, boom, report button pregame. Most likely result of this, silence. People will ask for a swap, cause not against the rules; get denied; and then lock in a "troll" pick and never admit to trolling. Now your report button is useless. "But they still locked in Lux jungle!" And there is no rule saying they can't play Lux jungle. Meaning you either play and report post game since there will now be evidence of trolling, or deal with the fact the pre game report button doesn't help if they are quiet.
Nhifu (NA)
: Nope, supposedly people typing hate speech over actually playing the game takes priority. Maybe it's time to just play league for what it is.. a casual game. **Avoid ranked** :P
No, it doesn't take priority. A fully automated system can handle the chat. Meanwhile these players need to be queued for a manual review. Which until that gets done, they will probably get Leaverbuster punishments.
Quepha (NA)
: Is League (esp. ranked) worse on weekends and/or summer?
It makes sense for more reports to come in on weekends and extended breaks because theoritically more people are able to play.
: Can we get more options for reporting a thread/post?
I think it has been suggested before and then was decided it wouldn't really be worth it. They would still need to review the situation to decide if action is required. I think I recall being told even the report reason wasn't too relevant as it all goes to the same queue.
: Riot has the biggest anti toxicity policy I have seen in a game
Ah yes, lets use anecdotal evidence from a single player to completely redesign a system. Let's consider some differences in those mentioned games though. CS:GO - This one really needs more data since it went F2P. Before that though you still had people griefing, cheating, and slinging hate speech. There is also an actual "Casual" mode where you are free to drop in and out of games as you please. Meaning if you get frustrated, you can leave. OW - This is a paid for game. Meaning that the company does have to be a bit more careful with how they handle punishments. You can get permanently banned from ranked though for toxicity, unless that changed recently. Oh look, another game where you can go in and out of matches without much trouble. CoD - Another paid game and with the ability to go in and out of games without penalty, except for lock out if you were doing a rank mode. APEX Legends - This one needs more data since still relatively new. I would love to see a timer penalty for people who leave as soon as they get downed/beacon recovery mode. I see so many people quit and not even give their team the chance to revive them/grab the banner. Again though, easy in and out of games. PUBG - Paid game again. Can opt in a Solo mode Battle Royal. Oh and easy to join and leave. So every game you listed has modes to allow people to join and leave as they please. Meanwhile in League, you are locked into a match until the game ends. Most of the games you listed aren't F2P, so require a more relaxed touch for punishing players.
: First of all, I want to see literally any singular instance of someone getting banned solely for writing smilies/emoticons in chat. Secondly, poor sportsmanship (such as "ggez", "ez", "ezipezi", etc.) are not in and of themselves punishable, but can contribute to validating a report filed against a player. It's not hate speech, it's not flame, it's just a dick move.
Just to tack on cause relevant Red Posts from years ago. >As others have mentioned, saying things along the lines of "GG EZ" are considered unsportsmanlike conduct. This falls under "Show Humility in Victory, and Grace in Defeat" in the Summoner's Code. >If you don't have anything nice to say, it's best to not say anything at all. On the flip side, if someone is doing well, it's always nice to encourage your team, or even say things like 'well played' to an opponent. >TL;DR - It's not cool to say things like "GG EZ". ^ this was sadly archived which means quote function didn't work. It was originally posted by Moonstones, 4 years ago. And > [{quoted}](name=Slumber Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QfzrV4bF,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2014-12-20T09:06:37.965+0000) > > No worries; we already do. > > There are -- and maybe always will be -- players who don't think saying things like "gg ez" (or similar variations) is offensive. Not a lot of players, but it still happens. Otherwise this thread probably wouldn't exist. > > If you find a player's poor use of chat is creating a poor experience for you, you still have the option of reporting them at the end of the game. Even with the Tribunal being down we're still using all of the reports that come in. > > Hope this helps! > [{quoted}](name=Slumber Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QfzrV4bF,comment-id=0012000a0000,timestamp=2014-12-21T10:16:12.549+0000) > > No one gets banned just for saying "gg ez" :P It takes quite a bit more than that. Again these were 4 years ago, but still relevant.
: Then just give him a leavearbuster? Just being afk in fountain doesn't warrant a 2 week ban under any circumstances. Some games are unwinnable and your team won't ff. I'm not saying going afk is okay, I'm saying you shouldn't be falsely banned for inting for it.
The inting reform card is really unclear. It is umbrella for Inting, trolling, and griefing. So while it may say inting, it could be trolling or griefing.
: No implication or assertion of any "rules" being broken here; beyond the request of the the OP in this linked's the same everywhere. People just do as they please. No structure. No repercussions. The boards are a free-for-all.
There is structure and there are repercussions for breaking the rules of the forum. Sometimes moderation can be a bit slow, but that happens when it is made up of volunteers. One can make a request in thread, but that doesn't mean it has to be followed. I can request that only people who play support respond to me. Absolutely no one has to obey that request. About the only time someone HAS to follow a request is if one is doing a forum game. So if you wanna do one word replies, try Meme and Games and be clear in the title "One Word Story."
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rFBiBlZ3,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T22:29:40.672+0000) > > You didn't answer my question. You are assuming you know my gender? How can you ask a question like that without knowing who you are talking to? Your response tells me a lot about you and why RIOT needs to remove that specialist tag. You have no idea how to deal with people. Consider yourself reported. If you do not change your behavior I will make out a ticket and explain to customer service why they need to get rid of you. The proof is in this thread.
But you can assume to know their generation? Are we still in the just blame millennial stage? Most people complaing about millennials don't even realize they are one too.
zLvKNelly (EUW)
: just report all the trash
Define trash players. Do you mean trolls and people who intentionally lose the game? Do you mean people who are just bad at the game? Do you mean the people who verbally harass their team?
Craig (NA)
: Can someone explain the automation side of the report feature?
Verbal takes a shorter amount of time and can be done purely with automation. False positive rate is in theory low as even most falze positives are technically correctly issued; for the wrong reason sometimes. Gameplay is more likely a combination of auto and manual. Can't simply code "if dies 10 times then ban", I mena you can but it would be bad. The automatic side probably has to get x amount of flags triggered in a short span of games. Like taking a pick from friendly, taking weird summs, and afk pushing. Otherwise enough reports may get a manual review for someone to judge intent.
: Funny how people are so delusional. Don't act like trolls don't exist, i've had games where it is 100% obvious they're trolling and they even admit to it. If someone burns flash and ult in base and runs it down al i supposed to believe they're just having a bad game and trying their best? ofcourse not. so stop acting so optimistic and realise these trolls exist and ruin games and deserve to be called out for it. If someone acts like an asshole in real life and ruins people's day are you supposed to ignore it and let it happen? ofcourse not so why should we ignore the assholes in league?
I'm not acting like trolls don't exist. I am saying that some people are conplete shit at identifying trolls though. People call others troll for off meta; and intentional feeders for being 0/3/6. What are you going to do in real life, huh? You can tell someone to take moment and consider from another perspective. However, if you get into a shouting match then it gets worse for everyone.
: But if someone ruins your game on purpose and wastes half an hour of your time by not surrendering aren't they deserving the abuse? How and why am i supposed to keep calm and happy when people ruin games on purpose?
No, they aren't deserving of vigilante 'justice'. Why? Because what if you are wrong? What if they person isn't inting/trolling and are trying their best? What if they really believe the team can come back? You are abusing someone for being bad and optimistic. What about your other team mates? In addition to the trolling player(s), they now have to also deal with the flaming player(s). Sure, they can mute the flamer; but damage gets done and the game has now been ruined by multiple people.
: i've had a chat restriction once because i asked to report my botlane. Why did i ask that? because they were 100% clearly trolling. Yet i got the chat restriction for asking for a report and they probably got nothing done to them. Seems the banning system has an issue with context .
That is because 97% (my number) of the time, context doesn't actually matter. The 3% of time that it does are as followed: Repeating stupid stuff (ZT phrases) and "Bait Banning". As for the CR, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that one single instance wasn't all. If it is similar to other cases then you probably "asked" for reports multiple times, blamed them a few times, and possibly insulted them as well. Your issue is one shared with a lot of the community; it is not widely known that 1 report is all that it takes to flag a game, and that asking multiple times for a report is considered harassment.
: Guess i'm part of the rare 0.006% now...
So, as you do understand, trolls do get punished. We agree it isn't at a pace that is as quick as we would like though. "Flame" isn't so much worse, as much as it is easier to catch. This is why you get more strikes for verbal offense than gameplay (minus ZT). Words can potentially influence a match as much as someone who is inting/trolling. In fact, if you are flaming/accussing someone of inting/trolling and they aren't; they might start just to spite you. Censors. The fucking words themself don't matter two damns worth. The shitty way they get used does. "Fuck, she hurts" after getting one shotted is different from "Fuck you you try harding bitch."
: same for me i got reported for leaving/afk but i definitely played the game and didn't stayed afk once it's usally bunch of kids crying cuz they lost the game and blame on the team if you're playing on low elo you need to get out of it quick and don't worry we will meet these people and get reported for no reason they have no proof so just don't worry lol
So homie, as a heads up, please look at the date a thread was posted in the future. This thread has had no activity for 2 years. That makes you a necromancer and paladins may try to slay thee.
: Can you really get banned for bad games?
You may get a punishment, but if you were actually playing and it was a bad game only; then they may undo it as a false positive.
: As I said in another thread, you're here posting as some kind of insider giving information that blatantly goes against what's published publicly. As far as we've all ever been told, player behavior reports are handled solely by an automated system. You're going to need to prove your claims, especially if you say you work for Riot as a Hextechnician.
I don't think "work" is quite the right word. Hextechnicians are volunteers that help with general support tickets. Kind of like Specialists. I think it was started 5 momths ago, at least that is when I discovered the.. "Sending them through" is basically jist passing it up to the next ring since it is beyond their depth to handle/address. Which just means people submit tickets as usual. Not necessarily changing the syste..
Nasarie (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TFZElGRE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-15T11:06:51.951+0000) > > Not if this punishment was for gameplay. Different tracks for punishment. No, he now has a 14 day ban the next on the ladder is perm. Doesn't matter what they do. One more misstep and its bye bye.
>Hey there, >No problem! I can say they are separate tracks for penalties. One does not influence another. In your example they would receive a 2 week ban for intentional feeding/trolling if they got off of a 2 week ban for toxicity. >Hope that clears things up for you. >The 0rphan Riot Games Player Support Morgana Support I'm gonna believe a Riot Support member over you, no offense.
: You do have a point and I absolutely agree with you. I would have loved to pull information from other MOBAs, but they've unfortunately never jived with me because of awkward mechanics or frankly, (particularly in the case of DotA 2, sad to say) being too much of an eyesore. I just pulled from the next closest thing I had a lot of experience with because I didn't want to talk about a game I don't have enough with. Nevertheless, I hope my points are still effective even without a perfect example.
Your points are well phrased, but the difference in combat mechanics does influence the state of the games respectively. In League, one player getting ahead means they can potentially influence mote of the map with roams. This leads to the defeatist attitude. Snowballing is something they have tried to balance. (Turret plating, more ways to build bounties, etc). On top on the expectation to coordinate well enough to deal with more powerful foes. In other genres, no matter how much I die, the enemy isn't going to get stronger from it (except games with killstreaks, technically). So even if my team having tunnel vision, I can work around that to play the objectives. Some of the games even let you adjust right before the match starts for equipment/class. As for ranked, sadly that is going to be a problem no matter what. Unless you want to limit Flex to groups of 2,3, and 5's; and even then there will be various levels of seriousness.
: An Open Letter to Riot Games Regarding Player Behavior
Comparing pvp between Legaue and something like FFXIV isn't effective because of the styles of combat. In League you have to build your items and strategies in game. Assuming FF works the same way as GW2 or SWTOR, you take whatever gear you have into the arena; sometimes with hidden boosts to make the gear better for PvP. Meaning in those games everyone, in theory, has the same power throughout the match. Only variance being skill.
: Rito stealing the freedom of speech once again
No... You can say whatever the fuck you want. However, there might be consequences to what you say.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: Nobody's perfect {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
You are perfect just the way you are. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Voldymort (EUNE)
: They have the common sense not to do it in writing.
Except a few blunders here and there. Some of which cost then their jobs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tele II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IgAvqOHx,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:34:35.887+0000) > > Just search for it. Im not your parent. Youre a big boy you can find it on your own. Point proven
You kinda described the concept of Prisoner's Island, which Riot has gone on record saying they don't like that idea. >
: lux: root and slow. vel: knockup and slow. brand: stun. neeko: root and huge AoE stun engage ult. zyra: root and slow. you know who doesnt have most of these things, and require kills to be effective later? ANY ADC. draven has one knock-aside, but his abilities have no base damage and he does nothing without gold. mf has a slow. again, does nothing without gold. ashe is permaslow, brings vision, and has a global stun. all good. she STILL cant do as much as most champions without gold. further, the items they can build do nothing for their stats. ashe can run tanky stats and have font of life, sure, but she still has to be good at last hitting to proc relic shield, as it doesnt work on ranged champions. mf is the only one who can use any spellthief stats. draven is even worse. marksmen arent made for the support role. the one time mf was picked support, it was to counter zyra, and it ONLY works on zyra.
Did they remove coin? If they didn't then that is an option to be taken and the Spellthiefs still could be effective on Ashe for procs.
Nasarie (NA)
: Now even a chat rule broken gets your perma banned. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Not if this punishment was for gameplay. Different tracks for punishment.
Ian4256 (NA)
: Friend got permabanned for "griefing"
They need to submit a support ticket. Edit: if they had any intention of supporting, why didn't they get a support item?
: thanks
> [{quoted}](name=UnboundHades,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HMyHwlmU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:40:06.769+0000) > > thanks Damn. Somebody downvoted you for saying thanks. Like what?
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: Ok, then why it doesn't happen to all players ? like there are tons of players playing off-meta and not getting banned ? For example, I have played 104 games as Kayle support totally ignoring chat and pings. Yeet I am not banned. I am pretty sure Riot selectively banned these guys for absolutely other not official reasons.
There is a difference between you playing support Kayle and not talking; than people "playing" Support Nunu but double jg instead
: Last time one of my accounts got a 14day shortly before the next season, it got another 14day shortly after the season started Though this was between seasons 5 and 6 before they tied honor to gamble boxes
Was one for verbal and the other gameplay?
: un ban reformed players
Just so it is clear, that would need to be 2 months game time to avoid abuse. To avoid people getting unbanned for experiment and just letting the account sit for duration. Each game is roughly 30 minutes, 24 hours in a day, which mean 48 games need played to equal 1 day. We won't penalize for shorter games by adding more though. To get about 2 months game time recorded then one would need to play 2,880 games approximately. Without misstepping once
ImNeo2K (EUNE)
: Why there are no punishments for people who are griefing and intentionally feed?
Gameplay offenses typically take longer to get a punishment issued for. It is much harder to design a system that can accurately check and judge gaemplay than a system to check chat.
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UcJ1wj2B,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-13T03:45:59.051+0000) > > Nope. You can theoritically play any champ in any position so long as your intent is to win. So in other words, you can play any champ you want how you see fit, with whatever items thereof. There is no ban offense, how does one prove intent to win? I intend to win with Nami top. I think this has very gray lines. The bottom line is if you get reported 5 vs 1 and riot sees you chose a poor champ they have the final say anyway.
I mean, there are certain limitations. Building AP on a champ that has actually 0 ap scalings in kit will probably be an easy flag. Buying 6 tears and playing to win will probably still end in a punishment too. However, Nami top, as long as you play to win and build reasonable items; you are probably fine. There have been false positives that have been reversed and manual reviews that gave punishments.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UcJ1wj2B,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-13T03:50:50.332+0000) > > Again, not banned for their champion but their lack of coordination, communication, and cooperation. Funny how that doesn't happen to anyone else, lol.
Didn't that happen to Support Nunu? Then again for the Deathseige Sion strat?
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