Modi (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wPNymUlh,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-10-23T12:51:21.040+0000) > > ... > *why* **All Chat** is reviewed if an enemy player reports you, > ... Do you mean **Team Chat** here? Also, I was looking for the reference, but was unable to find it, I remember Tantram responding to a thread where something similar occurred, where a player used punishable chat in team-chat, but was only reported by an enemy team member. IIRC, the OP for that thread got the punishment lifted or reduced. I could be mistaken, and confusing it with another, but I am almost certain that I saw it. Edit: found it: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/7GAyQVIA-riot-it-was-banter?show=flat&comment=0008 (I was confusing it as separate from this one, but it was one and the same).
I believe Djinn meant All chat channels are reviewed. /All and Ally chat.
: Nearly all these are old af and looking at the first few, they all have Riot Tantrum responding to them. Wouldnt be surprised if someone sent in a support ticket and Riot tantrum had manually banned all these people. My fav is the one where a guy had 30 pages of reports. I wonder how many reports are on a page? Sounds like a great system if it takes that many reports for one troll to get banned.
AeroWaffle posted a recent case. I got the reply to it because our comment chain has gotten too long.
: Nearly all these are old af and looking at the first few, they all have Riot Tantrum responding to them. Wouldnt be surprised if someone sent in a support ticket and Riot tantrum had manually banned all these people. My fav is the one where a guy had 30 pages of reports. I wonder how many reports are on a page? Sounds like a great system if it takes that many reports for one troll to get banned.
Here, I'll give you the correct statement fo you to use for your "Reeee system fails posts". The reason I'll give you this is because your statement of "inting/trolling bans don't happen" has been proven false. The age of the evidence doesn't matter, and there has been newer posts too. Here is a statement for your position which is accurate and true: >The detection system for inters and trolls is inconsistent from what we experience. There are cases of seemingly blantant feeding that seem to go on for many games. The system needs some serious improvements. There. Boom. Done. A statement that doesn't speak in absolutes and addresses your concern. The problem most probably had with your statement was the fact you used absolute of "No inters get punished" when there is evidence contrary to that.
AIIIM (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wPNymUlh,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-10-22T23:15:30.303+0000) > > Few things: > > This line is misleading, and were not your "real logs." There was a good bit more that was in your team chat that you had not displayed; I don't think it's fair to mislead others that only your /all chat got you punished, when there's other chat that contributed to your punishment. If you don't want to share your entire logs, that's up to you. That you're not sharing this material says to me that this team chat was extremely bad. As in zero-tolerance (zt): hate speech or threats. But saying you were only punished for your /all chat is disingenuous. > > You've also spoken with 3 support staff members regarding this suspension, and were led here as *your last resort.* The only time I've seen a punishment overturned where a player's premade reported them, this only happened because all [4 players rescinded their reports](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/7GAyQVIA-riot-it-was-banter?show=flat&comment=0008). Get in contact with your premade and have them rescind their reports on this discussion. I can't guarantee any action could be taken, but this appears to be your last shot. Hi there I am AIIIM and I rescend my report on my buddy
Forum mods are not Riot employees, they are community members. You would need to probably submit a ticket. Although, if none of you reported, is there anything to rescend? The cas ehe mentions only applies because the premade did report
: > [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wPNymUlh,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-10-22T23:15:30.303+0000) > > Few things: > > This line is misleading, and were not your "real logs." There was a good bit more that was in your team chat that you had not displayed; I don't think it's fair to mislead others that only your /all chat got you punished, when there's other chat that contributed to your punishment. If you don't want to share your entire logs, that's up to you. That you're not sharing this material says to me that this team chat was extremely bad. As in zero-tolerance (zt): hate speech or threats. But saying you were only punished for your /all chat is disingenuous. > > You've also spoken with 3 support staff members regarding this suspension, and were led here as *your last resort.* The only time I've seen a punishment overturned where a player's premade reported them, this only happened because all [4 players rescinded their reports](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/7GAyQVIA-riot-it-was-banter?show=flat&comment=0008). Get in contact with your premade and have them rescind their reports on this discussion. I can't guarantee any action could be taken, but this appears to be your last shot. I am also in the game and I rescend my report
Forum mods are not Riot employees, they are community members. You would need to probably submit a ticket. Although, if none of you reported, is there anything to rescend? The cas ehe mentions only applies because the premade did report.
: Who is upvoting such nonsense??? The riot worshipper club? The things you people will makeup to defend Riot are actually ridiculous. Its so obvious, the system doesnt catch even obvious trolls because it doesnt work. If its a less obvious troll, people like you will come in and claim that theyre not trolling so the system is right to not ban them. But when its so obvious you cant deny its troll, you makeup this nonsense. Its so sad, to see a terrible system in place and people like you claiming that it only "sometimes" doesnt work....
>https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E4LnThmW-most-ridiculous-chat-restriction-i-have-ever-seen-in-my-life?comment=0011 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log?comment=003e https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/jFwTE8Oj-playing-off-meta-in-ranked-int-feeding-ban?comment=0039 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KTq4tjIF-i-dont-get-it-how-riot-bans-a-player-because-another-kid-draven-decides-to-take-all-the-kills https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xW5z7auF-proof-that-riot-employees-ban-without-providing-clear-evidencecertainty-of-an-infraction https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game Because, I repeat, it does actually function. Trolls and Inters are punished. Let me emphasis one more point in big bold words **NO ONE DISAGREES THAT IT CAN BE IMPROVED THOUGH**. We know the system can be improved.
: Whats you mean by zt?
: They didn't
Let me repeat something since you opted to not answer. >Answer this about the team chat at the very least since you won't share it. Did you use any ZT with your premade? There is a chance it picked that up on review even if team didn't report.
: The people in the game posted on the board somewhere I will get pictures of their posts on the main body, The anecdotal part really doesn't matter though my post is just giving you guys the messages you would have seen had you been against me. I have no reason to claim I was in a 5 queue if I was not because then obviously riot support would just look at my teamchat and stick to their original ruling. The game before was I did not post the logs because they are not what contributed to the ban. Also again I reiterate the people that I was with live down the street we hang out all the time they did not report me because when I got suspended we were in champ select for another match. Take the word "dogs" as you will but if the context is lets say what is your favorite animal then wouldn't you say that context is pretty telling. Again you do have reson to be suspicious but these are all of the all chat logs in that game.
And again, if one of them did report you and realizes they are reaponsible for the review. Can you be certain they are telling the truth? People worry if they tell someone it is there fault something bad happened, it will completely change the relationship dynamic. To be clear, I'm not saying you are petty enough to stop hanging out with an irl friend for making a mistake and reporting for the luls. They might be afraid you would be upset enough though, so better to hide the truth and lie. Answer this about the team chat at the very least since you won't share it. Did you use any ZT with your premade? There is a chance it picked that up on review even if team didn't report.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wPNymUlh,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-10-22T04:32:15.437+0000) > > No, because the automatic system can determine the difference between you talking about your dogs and insulting someone with it. > > It is not a simple "is this word present". Not by a long shot. Funny you should say that. We had an instance recently where somebody was typing in all swedish in all chat and one of the words he used was the k word (3 letters you know what I mean) which means "kiss" in Swedish. The system flagged and banned him, and then Support refused to remove his ban.
And the PB board had a lengthy discussion about it. It boiled down to the fact that Danish is not a language officially supported game communication wise.
: They dont happen. Dont lie. Nobody knows why youre blindly defending riot when posts like this exist: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GWEhlJUV-riot-has-to-be-better-when-it-comes-to-players-intentionally-ruining-games
Because there are also posts of inters/trolls being punished. No one disagrees that the system could be much much better.
GilxeN (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SofaKingBroken,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=wPNymUlh,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-22T03:43:37.696+0000) > > Riots ban system is ridiculous. You can get escalated to 14 days for a serious offence. Then a minor infraction gets you automatically permanently banned. > > This is the equivalent of committing a serious crime, serving several years of jail time. > Then committing a minor infraction, like getting a speeding ticket. > But instead of a fine, your speeding ticket puts you in prison for life, because you're a "repeat offender". > > TLDR: The fact that there's no consideration for the severity of the violation when a permanent ban is issued is a terrible flaw in the system. That's what I tried to tell for a while, but no one ever listened to me. This answer should be pinned.
It really shouldn't. There are actually other posts talking about how there should be some sort of step between 14 day and perm to help with the lesser offense. Doinf another ZT offense would escalte to a perm though.
: Flaming is punished harder than it should be.
Flaming is punished in 4 steps unless someone used Zero Tolerance. 10 game CR 25 game CR 14 day ban Perm Gameplay gets 2 steps. 14 day ban Perm You say you can't turn off chat yourself, but Riot should force people to. Don't you think these other people are like you and want to communicate but snap easily? They already have given us the ability to opt out of Ally chat, why isn't that enough?
: Absolutely agree with you, but my personal conversation does not need to be exposed but I assure you that those all chat logs are all that exist I will work on posting an image that shows that the other messages are in team chat but doesn't show the messages.
Believe it or not, the team chat you said does matter. Maybe someone in your 5 queue didn't like something. Maybe they reported you "for the lulz". So team chat does matter.
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hho3R8V9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-21T18:13:46.236+0000) > > Wait, you mean if I go to any other online game, I won't find a single troll? > > X cant troll me in disgaea 5
Isn't Disgea 5 a Single player game?
: i suggest we swap from flaming to this shit
: Trolls still exist?
Wait, you mean if I go to any other online game, I won't find a single troll? X
: Does Riot Investigate Private Messages?
They can, but that doesn't mean they will.
Mr Tyson (NA)
: I presented a question, with a contradiction. You ignored it, and talked about other stuff. You did not acknowledge anything in the question. You do not read what is said. I try to set up a premise where we both agree to move forward. You cannot accept anything. You must be the person who is correct. You are the ego psycho's I complaint about. I use your own points, and apparently you can't agree with them. I would use your 1. 2. points, but I'm sure you will just rephrase everything all over again. Your 1. actually still begs the question I raised. But you will just ignore that. Whatever, enjoy life.
You want an answer for your question "what is the worse thing that can happen from toxicity and leavers"? I'll spell it out once more in simple terms. It breeds more toxicity and leavers. Which is why punishments need to exist **in my opinion** so people can hopefully understand it is wrong. You can have a different opinion, that si perfectly fine. I just don't agree with it..
Mr Tyson (NA)
: I just gave you an opportunity to lay out your position on that point. You once again ignored what was said and wanted to prove how smart you are. You have a complete inability to acknowledge that anything you said could ever be wrong, and just keep spewing nonsense. I quoted both my original comment, and your response. There is a clear contradiction. I ask you to clear it up for me. You ignored it entirely, and made new points you believe. Enjoy jerking off to your intelligence. Thank you for wasting my time.
Except I can accept that I can be wrong about stuff. However there is two things you aren't factoring it seems. 1. I am referencing the way things currently are. 2. I am stating my opinion that leavers, and people who are toxic (gameplay or verbal) deserve punishment. You have yet to actually present ~~an idea~~,sorry let me correct myself, 1 (bad) idea for improving 4v5 situations. Your suggestion is simply "Everyone can leave"! There wasn't a contradiction. The person who left because they were upset should remain in the game and finish it. That person should finish the game and then quit League for the day or at least take a break. Do you have a suggestion for making the game more enjoyable for the 9 people dealing with the leaver? One that isn't "streamline the game and let everyone who wants to leave, leave mid game."
Mr Tyson (NA)
: > Aka surrender pre 15. If so, the whole team still has to agree and that still doesn't mean afks should be excusable. I mean top lane dies lvl 1, and the entire team leaves, and the remaining team has to stay to finish the game in order to get their win. You would have to streamline it so games that get super lopsided(2v5, not killwise) just end quickly, pull the bandaid off immediately. > I seem to remember a lot of fun 4v5, 4v4, and 3v4 games back in Season 2 before internet was decent. Maybe do some shit to make those types of games playable for all 9 people involved? That way your not 'ruining' their time when you get sick and tired of playing. > **Maybe that person should finish their game before logging off rhen.** Just a question. Are you acknowledging that making games better when someone leaves is somehow bad and we shouldn't do it? I'm giving you the benefit that you are actually trying to make real points, and not just prove how superior your knowledge is. This stands out, and I might have to reevaluate the other responses if so. Do you think: Riot should do nothing, because making a 4v5 playable is a bad idea, and these 4v5 games are both terrible for everybody and deserve to exist, and we should prevent people from playing who generate leaverbuster. This is the best solution for all players.
> [{quoted}](name=Mr Tyson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=774Tk8KJ,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-20T17:48:30.319+0000) > > I mean top lane dies lvl 1, and the entire team leaves, and the remaining team has to stay to finish the game in order to get their win. You would have to streamline it so games that get super lopsided(2v5, not killwise) just end quickly, pull the bandaid off immediately. And that entire team that left deserves to get a strike on Leaverbuster and whatever penalty they are at on it. > > Just a question. Are you acknowledging that making games better when someone leaves is somehow bad and we shouldn't do it? I'm giving you the benefit that you are actually trying to make real points, and not just prove how superior your knowledge is. This stands out, and I might have to reevaluate the other responses if so. The entire premise is that you deserve whatever is in place to deal with Leavers. Whoever wants to quit, should finish their game then quit. If you quit mid match, you deserve a penalty. > > Do you think: Riot should do nothing, because making a 4v5 playable is a bad idea, and these 4v5 games are both terrible for everybody and deserve to exist, and we should prevent people from playing who generate leaverbuster. This is the best solution for all players. Your whole post was how you felt the only penalties should be chat bans and name changes. If a team doesn't want to play 4v5 they can ff 15 or agree to open. 4v5 doesn't automatically mean lost game though. The moment you allow others to afk with no penalty is the moment the system gets worse. Some one d/cs, "fuck this" person leaves (note the difference of leave vs d/c), d/c reconnects, game is now a 4v5 still because player b got to leave without penalty. Leaverbuster gives LPQ at most usually. Maybe marks an account for manual review if someone triggers too often. You can't get rid of LPQ/Leaverbuster without playing games and staying connected.
: > [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1j4REAEB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-20T14:16:39.544+0000) > > Yes they do. It's blatantly against the rules. > > Enough with the outrage posts trying to stir up drama. Punishments are not always delivered immediately, especially in cases of hate speech where the punishment is escalated to a 14-day ban. enough with the outrage posts yeah its because you're not asian. Racial slurs are racial slurs, and when riot only insta-bans people for african american slurs and not any other race, it's correct to be outraged
And people get punished for it. Have you actually gone to the link Trulybland posted?
: Ive been 14 day banned twice, ive had 3 10 game chat restricts (on my third) and a 25. Sooo,,
He forgot to mentions it is possible to drop back down the tiers with enough games between punishments; but the general point remains that if you go through the system eventually you can be permad.
Nhika (NA)
: The game is still EXTREMELY toxic.
You can be upset. Is typing things at him and calling him names suddenly going to change his actions? If you feel he was trolling, report and describe in the report box why. Alternatively submit a support ticket.
: I was just about to edit my reply with this.
: Imho toxicity in chat shouldn't be punished harsher than negative behavior in game. There is a mute button for toxic players. There isn't a mute button for"my nunu smite support just stole my red and is now following me around the jungle stealing my stuff"
Chat isn't punished more harshly. It is punished more frequently because it is easier to detect. Which is why you normally get two chat restrictions and a 14 day ban before a perm (pending use of zero tolerance).
: Do the guidelines say inting is bannable? Yes they do. So why are these players still around
inters/trolls do in fact get punished. Whether it is a rate we are happy with is another matter. Then again, we can't even agree what is and isn't trolling.
: A Simple Way To Diminish The Toxicity In League
inters/trolls do in fact get punished. Whether it is a rate we are happy with is another matter. Then again, we can't even agree what is and isn't trolling.
Mr Tyson (NA)
: > Read patch notes, watch personalities react to "busted" changes, and decide if you want to play. That seems like a silly burden to put on the millions of people who play the game. Just expect people to go watch streams and discover everything broken? And, even if you know something exists, that does not make it fun to play against. There are a lot of things that can be unfun to play against. > Oh, so it is competitive to communicate and belittle your own team? But god forbide you be expected to stay and not afk/leave. You don't get to say it is competitive for the point of banter but not enough so to require a player remain. I think both situations are fixed by not playing with those players, not forcing you to play with them. > Inting gets punished (not as quickly/efficiently as we like), although you neglected to include that being punishable in your op. Chat is handled by ifs. Afk by leaverbuster. If you can't follow the guidelines a business establishment has set, then why don't they deserve a punishment? Number 1, I didn't break those guidelines. I'm questioning them. And the issue why they do exist is because of people complaining. Leaver buster was introduced a long time ago. They would need to change some things around to make it work. Can't imagine a 5 man mid game vs no opponents taking 12 minutes to finish would be fun. You would have to stream ling things for sure. > It's called trying to surrender then. If your team agrees, boom done, go next. If the team doesn't surrender, you are expected to play until either the surrender vote passes or your nexus explodes. This is a game. You are not being paid. And you do not have choice in your teammates. As much as you say 'your expected to play', you should also be expected to try hard, not ruin games, cooperate, ect. I think I am being reasonable in that not everyone does this. And, I don't think it should be reasonable to demand that from others. Where do you draw the line? Is someone playing the new champ in ranked deserving of a ban because he could play a champ he is better at? Is offrolling deserving of bans? And what about when you tryhard, but your teammates don't. What if you have some kids dance partying in the bot lane, not csing and feeding. Should you ban them for jumping on their computer and having, or me for not wanting to deal with it? I say no banning, chill, and play the game. *To this end, if you could get into your next game in, I don't know, something like 3 minutes, leaving wouldn't be a big deal. Top lane getting rolled? Just go next. When a team drops to a certain number of players, it auto surrenders. Maybe work our some other things I don't forsee and make the game fun. > Know what is funny? You already mentioned this. You have a mute button. If you feel someone is crying, mute them and move on. Play your game. Report them post game if you want. True. The ratio between whining and "toxic" speech is quite heavy to the whining. And I do see the irony in my 'whining' about whiners, I guess the difference is I do it once a year on the boards, vs the every game whining about how this 1 person is responsibly for the loss. Guess by the downvotes nobody cares anyways. Just keep the circlejerk on how *these people need to be banned* posts all over these boards and reddit. Like banning fixes behaviour. Like the behaviour is wrong to begin with. Its a game, and everyone wants to ruin another persons time(whether is inting or 'punishers'). You can't get rid of frustration. You can't channel 100% of frustration into productiveness. Just streamline the ability to get into your next game. I seem to remember a lot of fun 4v5, 4v4, and 3v4 games back in Season 2 before internet was decent. Maybe do some shit to make those types of games playable for all 9 people involved? That way your not 'ruining' their time when you get sick and tired of playing. Ok, last one, but probably important. Expecting people to focus on the 'good' of playing out a game, vs them deciding to end their own misery. Sounds very unrealistic. We play this game in our time off. I see people hardly try at their job when they hate it, and you expect someone to go give it their all when they are on time off and miserable playing? Regardless of if you do it, why would you support making a system like that? Imagine someone having a bad week, and they log in. We are potentially going to ban this person if, having a bad week, they do anything other than exhibit exemplary summoners code in the game. "People don't get banned for single outbursts". Regardless, I don't think too many(maybe a couple) log into this game just to cause misery; they want to have fun. Getting stomped in lane is not fun. Not only is it bad to play, your teammates very quickly turn on you, and continue to type for the rest of the match any time something goes wrong. And you know what? I think the only the at fault is that we(the game) force these things into games for as long as we possibly can. Why would you ban someone for doing poorly in lane? Why would you ban somebody for being mad that their teammates aren't carrying their weight? Why would you want to ban somebody who wants to get out of a miserable situation? Maybe you argue degrees of flame. I think frustration is frustration. And r%%%%% becomes cancer, then ape, then monkey, then whatever comes next. You just stop using certain phrases, the flame persists. Being allowed to leave instantly relieves the situation - assuming you have a system in place that can make games good and get people into new games at a quick pace. Edit: LOL, wall of text XD
> [{quoted}](name=Mr Tyson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=774Tk8KJ,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-19T22:14:14.194+0000) > > That seems like a silly burden to put on the millions of people who play the game. Just expect people to go watch streams and discover everything broken? And, even if you know something exists, that does not make it fun to play against. There are a lot of things that can be unfun to play against. Yet the burden of making the game a 4v5 with no repercussion is perfectly fine? > > I think both situations are fixed by not playing with those players, not forcing you to play with them. Brilliant, lets be put in the shitty man down situation because it is better for them to be gone? And because of 1 person being an ass I should leave the game because fuck the other 3 teammates too, right? > > Number 1, I didn't break those guidelines. I'm questioning them. And the issue why they do exist is because of people complaining. Leaver buster was introduced a long time ago. They would need to change some things around to make it work. Can't imagine a 5 man mid game vs no opponents taking 12 minutes to finish would be fun. You would have to stream ling things for sure. Didn't mean you, you. Meant the general you. Next time I'll use they to avoid confusion. Are you talking about opening a lane? Aka surrender pre 15. If so, the whole team still has to agree and that still doesn't mean afks should be excusable. > > This is a game. You are not being paid. And you do not have choice in your teammates. As much as you say 'your expected to play', you should also be expected to try hard, not ruin games, cooperate, ect. I think I am being reasonable in that not everyone does this. And, I don't think it should be reasonable to demand that from others. Where do you draw the line? Is someone playing the new champ in ranked deserving of a ban because he could play a champ he is better at? Is offrolling deserving of bans? And what about when you tryhard, but your teammates don't. What if you have some kids dance partying in the bot lane, not csing and feeding. Should you ban them for jumping on their computer and having, or me for not wanting to deal with it? I say no banning, chill, and play the game. Playing a new champ in ranked. Perfectly fine if they are playing to win. Playing an off role, playing to win. Not punishable. In short, if you are actually playing to win, you are not doing anything wrong. If someone is doing something you don't like, yes, you should be punished if you decide to leave. The only time you should be leaving is if you actually get in a 2+ hour hostage game. Which if that happens enough to trigger Leaverbuster, there is probably something else going on. You wanna play a game you can freely leave? Play a custom game or practice tool, or go play an online game that has a system to replace missing players. > > *To this end, if you could get into your next game in, I don't know, something like 3 minutes, leaving wouldn't be a big deal. Top lane getting rolled? Just go next. When a team drops to a certain number of players, it auto surrenders. Maybe work our some other things I don't forsee and make the game fun. Remake exists. You want a pre 15 surrender with no consequence. I disagree. Again, when you press that play button, you acknowledge that you may be playing a game for up to an hour or more. If someone can't give that time, then they shouldn't have queued. > > True. The ratio between whining and "toxic" speech is quite heavy to the whining. And I do see the irony in my 'whining' about whiners, I guess the difference is I do it once a year on the boards, vs the every game whining about how this 1 person is responsibly for the loss. Turn /All chat back off then. Hell, turn off your ally chat while you are at it. >Guess by the downvotes nobody cares anyways. Just keep the circlejerk on how *these people need to be banned* posts all over these boards and reddit. Like banning fixes behaviour. Like the behaviour is wrong to begin with. Its a game, and everyone wants to ruin another persons time(whether is inting or 'punishers'). You can't get rid of frustration. You can't channel 100% of frustration into productiveness. Just streamline the ability to get into your next game. Do they need to be banned for afking? Only if they are chronic leavers. If you play 21 games and left 18 of them, i really doubt it is an internet problem or emergency. Do they need to punish verbal toxicity? They have 3 steps before a perm. From what we have been told before is those who have been punsihed, 50% reform at each step. So yes, punishments can work. > > I seem to remember a lot of fun 4v5, 4v4, and 3v4 games back in Season 2 before internet was decent. Maybe do some shit to make those types of games playable for all 9 people involved? That way your not 'ruining' their time when you get sick and tired of playing. Maybe that person should finish their game before logging off rhen. > >-snip- I'll be blunt. Their mental state is not my fucking responsibility. I am not their therapist. I do not know if they had a bad day, week, month, or whatever. We are two strangers who decided to play a game and got put together. I don't want the life story, only expect on to try their best. Same for me. Only I know my mental state. If I feel like I'll lose it, then I remove my self from Ally chat so I cannot type nor see what they say. Get through the game, evaluate my self. Quit for the day if need be.
: what did they do that was memorable?
My guess would be be in game with them.
: Are there any humans on the riot appeal team?
You don't have to spend a single dime on a new account. If you do, that is your choice; no one is holding a gun to your head. Second, there are humans on the support team but lets save you some time. Do the guidelines/rules say: "Only flame inters and trolls?" No. No it does not. It says "Don't flame." No buts, not cuts, no coconuts.
: Report me cause....But don't report them....
> [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GEJp7yEk,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-19T20:26:12.114+0000) > > Report me cause i play non-meta champion that make me play safe and back in lane. Playing to win? False report, does nothing. > Report me cause i play champion that i love and no meta that autowin by smashing my head over keyboard. Playing to win? False report, does nothing. > Report me cause i play top lane and forced to get 0-6 in lane cause i forced to 1v2 all game cause my jungler hate me Playing to win? False report, does nothing. > Report me cause when i rage at someone who just troll me all game and ask to report me. Verbal abuse depending on severity x consistency. Punishable. > Report me cause i actually try to win a "Ranked flex" or "Normal " games. Playing to win? False report, does nothing. Unless being verbally berating to your team. > Report me cause i don't want to be hold down in losing game. Playing to win? False report, does nothing. Unless being verbally berating to your team. > > But don't report them for feeding all game cause they think it fine and they won't get punish for it. If you don't report, you don't get to complain. Report and move on. Being bad isn't against the rules. > But don't report them for soft inting and refuse to gank or help. If they are actually inting, punishable. Not ganking for you is not > But don't report them for holding others against their will in losing game. All (pre 20) or Super majority (75%+). Unless both sides are refusing to end, not punishable. > But don't report them if they walk all over you by actions and not words. If they are actually trolling, report them. Move on. > But don't report them when they bait you and laugh when you die. If they are actually trolling. Report and move ob.
duvey (NA)
: It's because Riot implemented an automated system that auto bans after 3 reports. It doesn't look at chat, it doesn't look at deaths, a human being never looks at this game ever. In spite of Riot constantly lying for years about customer service people always looking over bans before issuing them. It just sees 3 reports and instantly bans, chat restricts, whatever. It's abuseable and broken. I've already opened a ticket to get this looked at by a human. This is absolutely disgusting negligence on the part of Riot and I can't wait until they fail as a company with their failing markets and diving stocks. Or at very least NA finally crashes into the ground and Tencent takes the broken remains back to China and keeps their communist paws out of western gaming forever.
: I am from a family of lawyers. Threatening to rape and kill someone online on any platform is a federal crime. Educate yourself. I don't mean to sound bitter or mean but you can take it lightly, not everyone does. Hiding behind a screen and joking about raping a 2 year old does not make it okay.
Then you should probably ask your family for guidance. Because chances are, the person would get a punishment, but that probably isn't good enough for a 'federal level' crime.
Ztringz (NA)
: Inters and trollers don't get punished
There was actually a post this morning about a guy complaining he gor a 14 day ban for inting. He was upset because he didn't get a warning before hand. Trolls and inters do get punished, but not at a rate we like. We are partly to blame too. Because as a community we can't seem to agree what ia actually trolling and what isn't. As for staff, we used to have a system called the Tribunal for players to review verbal cases. It fell super far behind and people wouldn't get punished for something they did until months later. In most cases it would take more time to watch a replay than simply read chat logs. They wouldn't be able to keep up with the report traffic.
Mr Tyson (NA)
: > Also, it is less a matter of satisfying ego and more of a matter of "Don't fucking queue if you have no intention of actually playing" it isn't like CoD where people can jump out of a game and somebody else fills the slots as the game continues. Once it launches, you are locked in the match with those people. Unless you have an emergency, you should not be leaving. I think it is a fault of the developers. Games are designed to last 20-40 minutes. It is a game with constantly developing patches. Riot makes Banner of Command absolutely busted, why shouldn't you be able to leave? Riot makes the game super snowbally, why should you continue playing against a 10/0 Riven(or whatever)? Fans at sporting events leave stadiums(and they pay $300+ for tickets) at halftime if the game is a blowout. > Do we need to ban toxicity? Imo, yes. If League let people spew shit freely like CoD does, We have the option to mute chat, mute pings, and mute emotes. Also, league is a competitive game with people. There are plenty of other game genre that won't have you deal with people. Every sport has people that act like asshats. I couldn't imagine having somebody police a badminton game I play for banter, or god forbid I decide I'm done midgame. Imagine I get banned from a chess website because I quit a game. Is it ideal for somebody to quit a game? It about as ideal as somebody soft inting because they can't quit a game. About as bad as somebody typing about how bad their teammates are, and begging for bans in all chat. Every person believes they should go 100% winrate, and the second anything is off(no ganks, somebody dies a couple times, ect), the shit hits the roof. How much easier is life if, a game isn't going your way, you just go next? A teammate is 'being toxic'? "Sucks I got this guy in game, I'll just try another lobby". "My teammate just afked?" "Sucks, I'll try another lobby. Maybe I can make my enemy laner ragequit and get a win." I don't really care about afks. I enjoy lane phase, and can still do my own shit if there is an afk, and just surrender later. I don't care about toxic players, because they are actually quite rare. What I can't stand is the ban criers every damn game. Losing early, "report my jungler". 10 minutes later when we have the lead you get the message from all chat "9x ___". How any of you have fun is beyond me. Just play the game. Who gives a shit about afks or toxics. Compared to the crying, and worse the fear that riot might actually ban you because maybe you actually did get 18 reports in the last 2 games and riot might automate some garbage. Or maybe you try Teemo support middle and Nightblue is upset, so you get a 14 day suspension. Just chill and go next game.
> [{quoted}](name=Mr Tyson,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=774Tk8KJ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-10-19T18:27:09.004+0000) > > I think it is a fault of the developers. Games are designed to last 20-40 minutes. It is a game with constantly developing patches. Riot makes Banner of Command absolutely busted, why shouldn't you be able to leave? Riot makes the game super snowbally, why should you continue playing against a 10/0 Riven(or whatever)? Fans at sporting events leave stadiums(and they pay $300+ for tickets) at halftime if the game is a blowout. And when they hit that queue button, they know damn well that the game can take upwards to an hour. Read patch notes, watch personalities react to "busted" changes, and decide if you want to play. Banner is busted and you know it is. Either play the games knowing it is busted or wait until it is nerfed. Let's not pretend everything is busted. People are going to complain that something is busted if they aren't familiar with the match up. No, you don't get to compare it to NON Players leaving a blowout game. Those fans aren't the ones required to stay. The players are. Until a team hits the Mercy point level, the teams are expected to continue play. > > We have the option to mute chat, mute pings, and mute emotes. Also, league is a competitive game with people. There are plenty of other game genre that won't have you deal with people. Every sport has people that act like asshats. I couldn't imagine having somebody police a badminton game I play for banter, or god forbid I decide I'm done midgame. Imagine I get banned from a chess website because I quit a game. Oh, so it is competitive to communicate and belittle your own team? But god forbide you be expected to stay and not afk/leave. You don't get to say it is competitive for the point of banter but not enough so to require a player remain. Yes, every sport may have asshats. Guess what though; an official (referee for those who may not be familiar with the term), can penalize a player for unsportsmanlike conduct if they hear banter they feel crossed a line. And yes, depending where you play, places will bar you from playing at their facilities (including online) if you frequently quit mid game. Especially if it is a team thing. Because remember, this isn't a single player game. There are up to 9 other people playing too. > > Is it ideal for somebody to quit a game? It about as ideal as somebody soft inting because they can't quit a game. About as bad as somebody typing about how bad their teammates are, and begging for bans in all chat. Every person believes they should go 100% winrate, and the second anything is off(no ganks, somebody dies a couple times, ect), the shit hits the roof. Inting gets punished (not as quickly/efficiently as we like), although you neglected to include that being punishable in your op. Chat is handled by ifs. Afk by leaverbuster. If you can't follow the guidelines a business establishment has set, then why don't they deserve a punishment? > > How much easier is life if, a game isn't going your way, you just go next? A teammate is 'being toxic'? "Sucks I got this guy in game, I'll just try another lobby". "My teammate just afked?" "Sucks, I'll try another lobby. Maybe I can make my enemy laner ragequit and get a win." It's called trying to surrender then. If your team agrees, boom done, go next. If the team doesn't surrender, you are expected to play until either the surrender vote passes or your nexus explodes. > > I don't really care about afks. I enjoy lane phase, and can still do my own shit if there is an afk, and just surrender later. I don't care about toxic players, because they are actually quite rare. What I can't stand is the ban criers every damn game. Losing early, "report my jungler". 10 minutes later when we have the lead you get the message from all chat "9x ___". How any of you have fun is beyond me. Just play the game. Who gives a shit about afks or toxics. Compared to the crying, and worse the fear that riot might actually ban you because maybe you actually did get 18 reports in the last 2 games and riot might automate some garbage. Or maybe you try Teemo support middle and Nightblue is upset, so you get a 14 day suspension. Just chill and go next game. Know what is funny? You already mentioned this. You have a mute button. If you feel someone is crying, mute them and move on. Play your game. Report them post game if you want. Not going to really address your Nubrac remark because people can't agree if it was trolling or not. As for the 18 reports in 2 games, won't actually matter unless you actually broke the rules/guidelines.
Feepit (NA)
: Players Who Threaten Suicide
Submit a support ticket or suggest national hotline/website.
Mr Tyson (NA)
: League might have the most psychopathic community ever.
Go ahead and get this out of the way, probably got downvoted because you are insulting people who just want to play the game without people breaking the rules. I noticed you said only chat bans and name changes should exist. Guess that means you are okay with trolls and inters. Might contribute a bit to the downvotes too. The various punishment systems exist as a way to dissuade people from breaking the various rules that exist. We are using a private companies servers and as such they can determine rules. No different than me going to a private establishment irl. I won't comment on SC2, as I didn't play it. As for CoD, I'll provide anecdotal evidence to the contrary. People would complain about being down a player, especially in no respawn modes. Was largely also just "casual" until they introduced "League Play" in BO2 which was "Ranked". Left early and you got locked out of League Play on Probation. Also, it is less a matter of satisfying ego and more of a matter of "Don't fucking queue if you have no intention of actually playing" it isn't like CoD where people can jump out of a game and somebody else fills the slots as the game continues. Once it launches, you are locked in the match with those people. Unless you have an emergency, you should not be leaving. Do we need to full blown ban afkers? Only if they are doing it liek every game. Do we need to ban toxicity? Imo, yes. If League let people spew shit freely like CoD does, I wouldn't play. I'm here to play a game and not be treated like shit just because I did something you disliked. Guess you won't be playing the new Gears game. They are banning frequent leavers for 2 years. That must upset you, even if you don't afk.
merp2345 (NA)
: i havent used anyting related to league. other than league itself
Check your match history for suspecious games.
: 10 year gifts
Sounds like they are mission related. Don't know otherwise.
: He got his Tyler1 account back, thats why? like am I missing something? He was toxic, he was banned his acc was banned but it got unbanned so why can't we have our acc unbanned. Do I have to get myself ID band just so I can wait 1, 2 or 3 years however long it was just so I can have all my accoiunts unbanned? I don't think that should be the case right?
He really didn't get that account back though. Unless that name became available again and he changed it recently. Which is possible as names can become available. When un ID banned, he was loltyler1 Account was banned, stayed banned. Person got banned, person got unbanned (not account).
: ok my bad ID bans, but that is still a higher server ban than a single account ban. Sure we can make other accounts and continue to re-grind all the champions again, but eventualy getting an account that was banned like Tyler's tyler1 account which was banned amongst other accounts he had banned, we should be able to apeal that we have changed within 1-2 years that we are now good boys and girls and are trusted community members.
Why? We can do the same thing he can now. He can make accounts and play if banned, and we can make accounts and play if banned.
: Dude, you’re wrong. I have a support ticket outlining “shutup” as a phrase deemed breaking the summoners code. I can ss for you, its your word versus riots.
I think there is a misunderstanding. If I understand correctly, zPoopz is saying a singular instance of "Shut up" being the only thing said, would not lead to a punishment. Your case, there are more things than just "Shut up" in the log that is also highlighted. Yes, shut up helped contribute to the punishment; but that wasn't the ONLY thing said. This is assuming I read bith arguments correctly.
: Real question though why do streamers (Tyler1) get the ability to be unbanned (this was an IP ban by the way, much more sever that a single account ban) but we can't get our accounts unbanned in a year or two's time after some much needed away time?
Tyler1 didn't have ANY accounts unbanned. He had an ID (not IP) ban. The player was unbanned, NOT the account.
NearToGOdD (EUNE)
: The age-old question.Will Riot Unban accounts for its 10 yr birthday?
Based on previous unban experiments, why should they?
: I'd argue that CS:GOs overwatch system isn't super comparable to Leagues Tribunal other than they were both community based enforcement. CS:GOs overwatch was used to punish hackers and griefers whereas the Tribunal was more catered to verbal abuse and chat. I'll agree with you in the sense that intentional team griefing is much more concrete in that game though.
You were the one that mentioned other games. CSGO is the only one of them I'm somewhat familiar with; which is why I mentioned the difference of what they handled. Since they focused on different things, doesn't seem right to really compare them imo. Runescape, the only thing that comes to mind are P-Mods that can mute people, but they have to be around for that to happen.
: Perma Ban Appeal and misconception of ban
You opted to not read or ignore the warning on the 14 day ban that said "further punishment may result in perm ban". Basically, it isn't a matter of "Do I deserve a Permaban?" but "Do I deserve a punishment?" Which you already had a history of.
Sęan (NA)
: Even if I had the point is this was automated. Did anything here deem auto ban worthy? Also, the Imgur link shows that there isn't a game two or three.
Do you contest that you don't deserve a punishment, or that it just seemed to come too quickly?
Sęan (NA)
: Auto ban mistake?
If you haven't had chat restrictions, submit a support ticket.
rujitra (NA)
: Repeating hate speech is not acceptable in League. **IF** this is your first time offense, you **MAY** get a pass and they may reduce or remove the punishment. However, your account is on thin ice right now and any further misbehavior may result in a permanent suspension, so you need to avoid this sort of arguing and "who's reporting who" behavior. Personally, given that you did flame people quite a bit throughout this log, I doubt they will remove or reduce this punishment.
They may reduce to a chat restriction if no other offenses have been on the account. That would be the most I think they would do though.
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