Caesíum (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=InƒectedMushroom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U1zX6lbK,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-09-16T04:12:22.015+0000) > > As a Garen top laner I 100% agree. It's impossible to ban All the cancer matchups for your specific champ. God forbid you have to first pick. For me it's Illaoi, Kennen, Gnar, Teemo, Neeko, Quinn, Vayne, Yasuo, Gang Plank, Jayce. And there's always some asshole that's gonna pick it and spam ping his mastery as if they are good for exploiting a bad matchup. At this point I just dodge if someone picks that bullshit. This is your own fault for being a one trick. You are not supposed to only play one champion. As for the main article, I agree with some of it. Really annoying to see someone go 0/7 but then still one shot the support and be back in the game straight away. Newer champions kits are overloaded and stupid, but {{champion:555}} is just ridiculous. A true damage execute with an indicator for when you can kill someone with it that ignores shields and shares gold with teammates? That's literally so overpowered in itself, but he has way too much sustain (maybe if his grey health was consumed like Tahm Kench it would be better), has camo, way too fast out of combat movespeed a hook which you can channel for too long and a dash stun to boot. Not saying he's impossible to play against, in my elo I just counter with poppy support and turn the no brain monkeys that play him into mincemeat. But even if he gets smashed in lane he can always turn up at the end of the Teamfight and wipe the no sums enemy with his R key aaaand suddenly he's in front. Unnecessary.
> [{quoted}](name=Caesíum,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U1zX6lbK,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-09-16T22:59:14.692+0000) > > This is your own fault for being a one trick. You are not supposed to only play one champion. > > As for the main article, I agree with some of it. Really annoying to see someone go 0/7 but then still one shot the support and be back in the game straight away. > > Newer champions kits are overloaded and stupid, but {{champion:555}} is just ridiculous. A true damage execute with an indicator for when you can kill someone with it that ignores shields and shares gold with teammates? That's literally so overpowered in itself, but he has way too much sustain (maybe if his grey health was consumed like Tahm Kench it would be better), has camo, way too fast out of combat movespeed a hook which you can channel for too long and a dash stun to boot. > Not saying he's impossible to play against, in my elo I just counter with poppy support and turn the no brain monkeys that play him into mincemeat. > But even if he gets smashed in lane he can always turn up at the end of the Teamfight and wipe the no sums enemy with his R key aaaand suddenly he's in front. > Unnecessary. I'm not really a one trick, I can play the majority of the top lane roster efficiently, I actually have a better win rate with Gnar than I do Garen. But Garen is my boy, he's what keeps me playing.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: We've been wrong all this time.
> [{quoted}](name=Zero Shingetsu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U1zX6lbK,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-15T10:16:59.614+0000) > > For years, I've heard people preach that the community is toxic. The game is hard to play because of all these insufferable gits saying this or that when you're trying to just enjoy the game. That if we could just fix the toxic community, most of our woes would be solved. > > I have discovered in my sampling of games since full muting both chats that we were wrong. > > For the past 50 games, I've maintained a record of my general mood at the end of the game. In all these games, both team and all chat were muted. Emotes were muted. Pings were volume muted. I gave myself the fewest stressers possible. What I discovered was that irrespective of wins or losses, I **found myself in a negative mood after a full _82%_ of the games I played**. A further **21.9% of those left me feeling what I classified as "extremely negative"**, such that I actually had to stop playing and do something else entirely. Interestingly enough, I feel that I enjoyed the game _more_ when I listened to toxic players, because at least in that case you had something to laugh at. > > Why was I upset? Well, in 32 of the 41 games in which I came away feeling negative (a full 78%!), the primary annoyance I cited was displeasure with a specific champion that was in the game. This was usually contained to the same dozen or so culprits I've had problems with for the past three seasons, incidentally. It wasn't the way the champion was played that bothered me. I had a specific citation set aside for "opponent or teammate's skill" (which I only ticked two times in 41 unhappy games). What this particular citation meant was that I was displeased with the way a champion's kit allowed them to control the game with little effort and minimal counterplay opportunities. Interestingly enough, every single "extremely negative" game was attached to this citation. > > In short... As it turns out, it's not the community that's toxic. It's the game. My theory is that the game spurs toxicity, leading the a volatile community. The game is toxic, and that is not a good sign. As a Garen top laner I 100% agree. It's impossible to ban All the cancer matchups for your specific champ. God forbid you have to first pick. For me it's Illaoi, Kennen, Gnar, Teemo, Neeko, Quinn, Vayne, Yasuo, Gang Plank, Jayce. And there's always some asshole that's gonna pick it and spam ping his mastery as if they are good for exploiting a bad matchup. At this point I just dodge if someone picks that bullshit.
: It does not, go read her abilities, you are likely getting slowed by either stormrazor, hextexh GB, runes, or a red buff. Though I think a good nerf to her would be to pause auto attacks during her Q as a Kaisa player as that gives her way too much burst as a ranged champion in an isolated environment. as for counter playing against her don't let her single you out, try and keep creep somewhere nearby to draw off half or more of those Q bullets to drastically reduce her damage, any lock down CC like stun, fear, suppress, knock up, or disarm destroys her damage output and with how squishy she is without ulti she will drop to even a low damage champion fairly quickly. Braum, Alistar, and Leona are her best allies but also her biggest counters in that respect followed by Nautalis, Blitzcrank, and Thresh in that order, out side her lane any real assassin or burst mage will out right delete her mid to late game even if she gets her ult since most of them have easy to land hard CC that makes her sit still and take it.
> [{quoted}](name=Roke Thellenkell,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eNEaMyLi,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-06T22:51:12.178+0000) > > It does not, go read her abilities, you are likely getting slowed by either stormrazor, hextexh GB, runes, or a red buff. Though I think a good nerf to her would be to pause auto attacks during her Q as a Kaisa player as that gives her way too much burst as a ranged champion in an isolated environment. as for counter playing against her don't let her single you out, try and keep creep somewhere nearby to draw off half or more of those Q bullets to drastically reduce her damage, any lock down CC like stun, fear, suppress, knock up, or disarm destroys her damage output and with how squishy she is without ulti she will drop to even a low damage champion fairly quickly. Braum, Alistar, and Leona are her best allies but also her biggest counters in that respect followed by Nautalis, Blitzcrank, and Thresh in that order, out side her lane any real assassin or burst mage will out right delete her mid to late game even if she gets her ult since most of them have easy to land hard CC that makes her sit still and take it. I think he was referring to Akali not Kaisa.
: Riot bring back rotating gamemodes!
Agree 100%. I miss all that stuff. I was just thinking about Ascension the other day and how much I'd like to play it. Oh and Nexus Blitz, preferably the first iteration. TFT just doesn't cut it, shame they've dumped so much resources into it too.
rKRex (NA)
: Muting Allied Chat
> [{quoted}](name=rKRex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EUXLWtk6,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-05T02:27:20.484+0000) > > I'd just like to, for once, thank riot for listening to feedback and doing something right for a change. I guarantee this will reduce the number of punishments they hand out. Good on you Dorito. What are you referring to?
: You dont play Gp do you? Maybe this will help you. https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Gangplank 5 Qs he is oom all for a WHOPPING 100 damage in total (not counting grasp or his ad) but still its only a slightly empowered auto
> [{quoted}](name=Adequate Top,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JtLHQjap,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-04T05:57:33.986+0000) > > You dont play Gp do you? Maybe this will help you. https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Gangplank 5 Qs he is oom all for a WHOPPING 100 damage in total (not counting grasp or his ad) but still its only a slightly empowered auto How convenient that you ignore the damage from ad scaling and grasp, and the fact that he will most likely have corrupting pot, a manaflowband or biscuits. If only my opposing champion got to ignore those things.
: And if they REALLY wanted to give Garen better scaling on E, then let it scale with AD - A stat that Garen actually wants to build, but often foregoes for HP (which he scales better with, currently). (I don't mean just nudge the AD scaling on E a percent or two, although that would be fine. They're giving E more spins with AS. So, instead, give it more spins with bonus AD. That would be so much better.)
> [{quoted}](name=Judah Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JhljgHhx,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-01T15:43:54.096+0000) > > And if they REALLY wanted to give Garen better scaling on E, then let it scale with AD - A stat that Garen actually wants to build, but often foregoes for HP (which he scales better with, currently). (I don't mean just nudge the AD scaling on E a percent or two, although that would be fine. They're giving E more spins with AS. So, instead, give it more spins with bonus AD. That would be so much better.) This was my exact suggestion to Riste.
Rioter Comments
: Real title and experience is... not things that have no bearing on the real world.
> [{quoted}](name=FederationFurry,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEBycTwt,comment-id=00000000000000040000,timestamp=2019-08-20T13:02:05.153+0000) > > Real title and experience is... not things that have no bearing on the real world. Were not talking about the real world. Not sure how you missed it, but you're on a video game forum. You could have 4 doctorates and work for NASA, doesn't mean your opinion carries weight here, when discussing this game. What obviously matters here is game experience, knowledge, and skill. The fact that you don't grasp that obvious concept, speaks volumes of your intelligence
Rioter Comments
: Am I the only one that has no interest or desire to play Team Fight Tactics?
Same, it was fun for the first 15 minutes. There's flash games on Armorgames that are more interesting. In contrast with the first iteration of Nexus Blitz which I would still be playing if it was available.
: Akali with merit.
She is the epitome of a cancerous kit. It boggles my mind how it even made it to live, I think they should entirely scrap this rework and start over and aim for something that doesn't require the opposing team wanting to slit thier wrists post game.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: why do mages need a qss against an immobile melee champ? hahaha just what the fuck are the boards
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QKp7UIJU,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-06-12T21:05:24.643+0000) > > why do mages need a qss against an immobile melee champ? > > hahaha just what the fuck are the boards {{summoner:4}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GLGefzyT,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-09T02:08:37.472+0000) > > "just dont play the game against him bro" > > "just never pick a melee champion while TK is up bro" > > Yep, that all is very healthy for the game lol. Stop being an idiot. Build early MR to counter his early strong Q poke. That's virtually all his threat to you. If you stay behind minions, he can't poke you with it and loses a ton of his damage. Make him miss his Q, go in for a short trade and get out. He gets massively outscaled by most other top laners once you build some resistances. Darius is meta and craps on him on his usual aftershock build. Garen is also good onto TK since you can QE poke and use your W on his Q to nullify the slow and peel him off you. Illaoi dumpsters Tahm Kench. Renekton also trivially gets short trades on him and heals most of his poke up. Won't even mention Irelia or Fiora, let alone Jax. All with mobility and ways to mitigate his all in attempts while winning short trades. It's like people who cry about feeding the Darius when they get into extended autoattack trades with him and he runs them down at lv2 with his passive. Don't be stupid and understand how the champion engages.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GLGefzyT,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-06-10T06:21:00.539+0000) > > Stop being an idiot. Build early MR to counter his early strong Q poke. That's virtually all his threat to you. If you stay behind minions, he can't poke you with it and loses a ton of his damage. > > Make him miss his Q, go in for a short trade and get out. > > He gets massively outscaled by most other top laners once you build some resistances. > > Darius is meta and craps on him on his usual aftershock build. Garen is also good onto TK since you can QE poke and use your W on his Q to nullify the slow and peel him off you. > > Illaoi dumpsters Tahm Kench. > > Renekton also trivially gets short trades on him and heals most of his poke up. Won't even mention Irelia or Fiora, let alone Jax. All with mobility and ways to mitigate his all in attempts while winning short trades. > > It's like people who cry about feeding the Darius when they get into extended autoattack trades with him and he runs them down at lv2 with his passive. > > Don't be stupid and understand how the champion engages. I love how you say, "don't be an idiot", and then proceed to spew a bunch of idiotic rubbish. Literally every champion you mentioned, {{champion:114}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:86}}, all have below 50% win rate against {{champion:223}}. If you want some credibility, why not mention {{champion:223}}'s actual difficult matchups? {{champion:83}}? {{champion:27}}? {{champion:240}}?
: Why does armor feel useless
Yeah I'm calling BS on this. There's no possible way an Aatrox with a BC only "deletes" a malphite with 450 armor. Likewise a Rengar with duskblade deleting a 600 armor Malphite.
: I feel like Deadman's Plate needs to be made more accessible
I love building deadmans on Garen and Poppy as well, but Sunfire is a much better lane item. Build the deadmans after you finish either Cleaver or tri-force.
Nadeokí (EUW)
: if you end laning phase 50 CS down, you're doing something wrong individually, regardless of matchup Lol
> [{quoted}](name=Lofee,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=00060002,timestamp=2019-05-10T02:58:37.250+0000) > > if you end laning phase 50 CS down, you're doing something wrong individually, regardless of matchup Lol That's probably one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Some matchups you either give up cs, or you die. Switch to the NA server and lane against me, and I'll show you.
: Banner of the command
Yeah I miss it too. I used to buy it top lane when I was facing some of the difficult AP matchups.
FilDaFunk (EUW)
: If it doesn't necessarily translate into a win, why are you saying it's a big problem.
> [{quoted}](name=FilDaFunk,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0030,timestamp=2019-05-09T18:16:06.714+0000) > > If it doesn't necessarily translate into a win, why are you saying it's a big problem. You have to look at the big picture. Having a champion with an incredibly oppressive laning phase win or lose, is going to cause frustration with old and new players. And it probably matters most with new players, because they are the future of this game. It also indicates a larger problem overall with the game, which I already addressed in my OP. CC and mobility counters everything, and the game continues to have more and more of it. Darius could be full build at 10 minutes into the game, that doesn't mean he can 1v5 a team that has a decent amount of CC and mobility. That's why a win rate isn't the only thing you can look at for balancing a champ like that. You can't just keep giving him more damage to try to boost his winrate because damage isn't a thing he lacks, and adding more damage only makes him more oppressive to the champions who's kits are similar in design as his. Like Garen for example. Garen and Darius are my mains. I used to be able to play either one in the other with success. Nowadays I don't even try to face Darius with Garen. It's a dodge for me, and I literally see freelo in my brain when someone picks Garen, because I know I can just pick Darius and destroy him. I do it every time. And that was even before 9.9, it's been that way for a long time now, it's just gotten worse.
FFrazien (EUW)
: The fact that people are upvoting these Darius and pretty much every melee champion “crying threads” in this ranged top laner meta is absurd to me, ranged champions have been dominating top lane since I can remember in both low elo and high elo, they are so easy to play and if you take kleptomancy you are rewarded for poking your enemy ( assuming enemy is melee champion ) and yet when people get their asses whooped by Darius, Renekton they come here to cry
> [{quoted}](name=FFrazien,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2019-05-09T10:05:20.361+0000) > > The fact that people are upvoting these Darius and pretty much every melee champion “crying threads” in this ranged top laner meta is absurd to me, ranged champions have been dominating top lane since I can remember in both low elo and high elo, they are so easy to play and if you take kleptomancy you are rewarded for poking your enemy ( assuming enemy is melee champion ) and yet when people get their asses whooped by Darius, Renekton they come here to cry I'm hardly a bronzie considering I made it Plat 4 with a 77% win ratio. Meaning, I've nowhere near reached a peak. I also abuse Darius quite a bit, and no it's not just bronzies that I'm able to get fed off of. Also, mentioning ranged top laners has absolutely no bearing on the discussion. You could literally double Darius's lv1 base AD, and he'd still have bad matchups. It's completely irrelevant. I don't think it's a problem with his kit. It's his raw stats that makes his kit a problem for other matchups. And people keep saying champs like Jax and Riven can just burst him. Sure, maybe a bad Darius. A good Darius knows he can afford to build something like Ninja tabi first, because even at level 3, his easily stacked passive is going to give him a BF sword's worth of AD, and that's just level 3. Darius in a way is a noob trap, people neglect building defensive too often and act like he's automatically going to win every trade or every all in.
: > [{quoted}](name=VìciousDelicious,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-08T16:44:57.369+0000) > > Do they? That's an honest question. At least do they play Top lane, at all? If they did, I don't know how Darius could remain in the overtuned state he's in if they did. Or maybe they do, and the person calling the shots is a Darius main. I honestly am perplexed by it. Don't get me wrong, I love playing Darius. He's my second highest mastery champion. Playing Darius top is empowering. You literally feel like Thanos. He walks into lane essentially already fed. Ignite? No you don't need that, take ghost. Let them overextend just once just alittle. Ganks from enemy jgr? You ward not so you know when to run, no. You ward so you know when you're about to get a double kill. Think about it. Level 3, when Darius has all 3 of his abilities which makes him very hard to get away from (unless you burn flash, which only delays the inevitable). If he starts Dorans blade, which you can against literally all melee matchups, he has 92AD. That 92AD turns into 132AD in 4.5 seconds. 132.... That's FOUR longswords. He get's FOUR longswords at level 3, in 4.5 seconds. Yeah... Also, he doesn't even need to get his last auto off on you. Cause the bleed damage will do the rest, and if he does take ignite? So playing this champion gives you the feeling that you get when your doing well and get fed on a normal champion. Except with Darius, it's pretty much every game. At least as far as laning phase is concerned. I know his winrate isn't insane or anything, so his extremely dominant laning phase isn't contributing to an overall win. And I feel like that's a problem with League, and not so much Darius. There's too much CC, too much mobility, too much invisibility, too much cdr. And it doesn't matter how fed or huge a Darius is with those kinds of obstacles. CC, mobility, etc. counters even the most fed champions. So it's actually quite ridiculous that someone who's laning phase is so oppressive as Darius, that his win rate is not through the roof. Let's talk about this. Because it is a problem. Whatever you smoke, pls share it with me. Must be some dank shit! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=Muhschie lover,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=002e,timestamp=2019-05-09T15:43:35.780+0000) > > Whatever you smoke, pls share it with me. Must be some dank shit! > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} I could smoke a truckload of anything and still have more critical thinking potential, than you on your best day. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=5StackUltOneShot,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0006000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-09T11:28:29.301+0000) > > Wait in the past? > ???? > You mean when he was 100% banned back in 2015 when he shredded everything without counterplay? > > Im reading through your comments and all Im seeing is subjective hate This guy is obviously terrible in the game, just look at the sheer assload of bullshit he's writing here. Ignore him. He's bad in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Dunkoholic,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=00060000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-09T16:25:11.200+0000) > > This guy is obviously terrible in the game, just look at the sheer assload of bullshit he's writing here. Ignore him. He's bad in the game. Also a Darius main so go figure.
: > [{quoted}](name=VìciousDelicious,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T17:59:56.399+0000) > > I agree, Darius felt fine in the past. Not so much now. And this is from both perspectives playing and playing against. Wait in the past? ???? You mean when he was 100% banned back in 2015 when he shredded everything without counterplay? Im reading through your comments and all Im seeing is subjective hate
> [{quoted}](name=5StackUltOneShot,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0006000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-09T11:28:29.301+0000) > > Wait in the past? > ???? > You mean when he was 100% banned back in 2015 when he shredded everything without counterplay? > > Im reading through your comments and all Im seeing is subjective hate I thought the past just meant neither present or future, I didn't realize that "past" means specifically 2015. My bad...
Saevum (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KtfhBArr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-08T21:10:50.737+0000) > > Not really , even when he is a meh pick , his kit will always be problematic until he gets reworked Make Q healing scale on AD :^) Remove AP ratio on Q and E and solely scale on AD :^) Add a fear effect to his R if he kills a champion while being immortal :^) Make his W remove slow effects on him :^)
> [{quoted}](name=Saevum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KtfhBArr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-09T03:49:55.917+0000) > > Make Q healing scale on AD :^) > > Remove AP ratio on Q and E and solely scale on AD :^) > > Add a fear effect to his R if he kills a champion while being immortal :^) > > Make his W remove slow effects on him :^) That would be epic. Even with Tri-force passive, PD passive, BotRK active, W slow, E spin, it's amazing how hard it is to stick to some champions with Tryndamere.
: > [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-05-08T18:24:50.566+0000) > > On top of just having counterplay built into his kit, Hey look, you might've skipped this bit.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=000900020000,timestamp=2019-05-08T22:40:31.710+0000) > > Hey look, you might've skipped this bit. Nope, you just once again failed to make a valid point. Literally every kit has some sort of counterplay built into it.
: Omg the poll... bro if u don't like a lane bully bullying you, which he can honestly even do to ranged champions pretty well, because if he gets close once they're pretty much dead, play another lane bully. Kennen/ Rumble might work, but Kennen is probably they better option. Also yes, they do. They literally stream themselves playing. Not to mention they have play testers, who are very high elo (and low elo/ medium elo. All elos).
> [{quoted}](name=The Trent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-05-08T22:00:32.268+0000) > > Omg the poll... bro if u don't like a lane bully bullying you, which he can honestly even do to ranged champions pretty well, because if he gets close once they're pretty much dead, play another lane bully. Kennen/ Rumble might work, but Kennen is probably they better option. Also yes, they do. They literally stream themselves playing. Not to mention they have play testers, who are very high elo (and low elo/ medium elo. All elos). I do, besides Darius. Renekton and Rumble are some of my go too picks. That doesn't resolve the issue.
: Hahahaha! Darius??? As a GM non-Darius player i can safely tell you for certain he is not overowered in the slightest. On top of just having counterplay built into his kit, he also has so many bad matchups to include literally every ranged top laner.
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleeper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-05-08T18:24:50.566+0000) > > Hahahaha! Darius??? > > As a GM non-Darius player i can safely tell you for certain he is not overowered in the slightest. On top of just having counterplay built into his kit, he also has so many bad matchups to include literally every ranged top laner. That's really a moot point. Having bad matchups has no bearing on whether or not a champion is overpowered. Every champion has bad matchups, obviously immobile champions have more than mobile ones. Darius could literally have 150 base AD at level 1, and no sensible person wouldn't agree that he was then overpowered, yet despite that, he'd still have bad matchups.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Well playing against Darius 'I' feel like Thanos coz the moment he tries to land a Q I dash into his inner range and it's gg for him. Darius is only good against immobile melees not named Aatrox or Yorick, and even then he dies too easily. With that said, I cannot understand why Riot still insists on bugging his damage when it's his lack of tankiness which is the real problem. His Q damage buff was one of the most brain-dead decisions mage by them.
> [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-05-08T18:05:32.171+0000) > > Well playing against Darius 'I' feel like Thanos coz the moment he tries to land a Q I dash into his inner range and it's gg for him. > > Darius is only good against immobile melees not named Aatrox or Yorick, and even then he dies too easily. > > With that said, I cannot understand why Riot still insists on bugging his damage when it's his lack of tankiness which is the real problem. His Q damage buff was one of the most brain-dead decisions mage by them. A smart Darius won't try to poke with Q, he doesn't need too. If Darius is Q poking and inadvertently shoving the wave, than he's a shitty Darius player. It's all about wave management, and setting up the all in, that he can most likely win. Also if timed correctly with his pull, the Q is unavoidable. Darius doesn't need ignite to win most all in these days. That's why you just run ghost, and let them overextend. Even if your champ has more mobility, In a lot of cases, it's not enough to get away.
: I will have to do some research(abuse the fuck out of him with pr and ghost).
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T18:01:47.105+0000) > > I will have to do some research(abuse the fuck out of him with pr and ghost). Go Conqueror with Ghost. It's the most efficient. The synergy with Conqueror and Darius's passive is too good too miss out on.
Raiyza (NA)
: He trades away mobility for all that. He's still one of the easiest champions to gank. Isn't he made to counter melee top laners?
> [{quoted}](name=Raiyza,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-05-08T20:11:40.447+0000) > > He trades away mobility for all that. He's still one of the easiest champions to gank. Isn't he made to counter melee top laners? Sure he trades mobility for that, but his overabundance of free AD means he can afford to run ghost and rush phage and run you down. Even if you have ignite, you're probably not coming out of the all in alive. Best chance is to go 1 for 1.
FFrazien (EUW)
: What a bronze thread, there are plenty of melees who easily beast Darius just by walking into his Q, git gud buddy
> [{quoted}](name=FFrazien,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-05-08T20:40:56.400+0000) > > What a bronze thread, there are plenty of melees who easily beast Darius just by walking into his Q, git gud buddy Yeah get gud, I'd love to see you try that against me.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Dont see how that is dishonest. 1) game balance is more statistics based than anything, you dont need to play the game to look at data. 2) it is literally a job requirement for most jobs at riot, including the entire balance team. Theyre required to play LoL, and most of the balance team is even high diamond/master/challenger.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T17:53:38.724+0000) > > Dont see how that is dishonest. > > 1) game balance is more statistics based than anything, you dont need to play the game to look at data. > > 2) it is literally a job requirement for most jobs at riot, including the entire balance team. Theyre required to play LoL, and most of the balance team is even high diamond/master/challenger. You know what I apologize. The question at the beginning of my post was really rhetorical, so in a way it is pointless. I was in a hurry when I read and replied so I didn't give your comment enough thought. Also this post is really about Darius, specifically the question I put to a poll, and that's what was on my mind when I read your comment.
: Actually I think you were right, normal Darius shouldn't be problem but this buffed one in combination with ghost and phase rush is strong af mb on that one. Only weakness juggernauts had is negated by that.
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-05-08T17:48:41.623+0000) > > Actually I think you were right, normal Darius shouldn't be problem but this buffed one in combination with ghost and phase rush is strong af mb on that one. Only weakness juggernauts had is negated by that. I agree, Darius felt fine in the past. Not so much now. And this is from both perspectives playing and playing against.
: Play Aftershock Cho Gath, you will never see a Darius player cripple in more fear Don't die before level 6 and stay even in Gold and XP, then just farm him after you have ultimate He Qs? You Q He wants to do anything else? Silence He is close to you and low HP? Enjoy supper!
> [{quoted}](name=Galaxyburstz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-08T17:10:46.482+0000) > > Play Aftershock Cho Gath, you will never see a Darius player cripple in more fear > > Don't die before level 6 and stay even in Gold and XP, then just farm him after you have ultimate > > He Qs? You Q > > He wants to do anything else? Silence > > He is close to you and low HP? Enjoy supper! You're not getting away with playing that against me as Darius. I've got more tools to prolong the fight than you have to get away. Your Q is easier to avoid than mine. I rejoice everytime I get to play Darius into Chogath.
Pika Fox (NA)
: The question is pointless and irrelevant, but yes, all riot employees are required to play LoL, and are encouraged to play other games as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-08T16:47:09.173+0000) > > The question is pointless and irrelevant, but yes, all riot employees are required to play LoL, and are encouraged to play other games as well. Ahhh intellectual dishonesty at it's finest.
: Does the balance team play this game?
There's no runner up in Laning. You either win or lose. Sure not dying is as simple as letting yourself get zoned off the wave. But ending laning phase with zero deaths but 40-50cs down is still losing.
: Juggernaut doing Juggernaut things Next one complain when Xerath pokes you
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-08T17:24:05.245+0000) > > Juggernaut doing Juggernaut things > > Next one complain when Xerath pokes you Yeah, except that Darius does juggernaut things much better than all the rest. That's the problem.
: That's what juggernauts do, bully any immobile melee champ, only problem is, there aren't any immobile champs played, expect them and few tanks. Don't want to be rude, but if you are losing into Darius, you might be doing something wrong. I would personaly rather attack any ranged toplaner(from Lulu in early seasons to Vlad, Neeko, Kennen, Vayne nowadays)
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPGcJHA7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-08T16:53:49.302+0000) > > That's what juggernauts do, bully any immobile melee champ, only problem is, there aren't any immobile champs played, expect them and few tanks. > > Don't want to be rude, but if you are losing into Darius, you might be doing something wrong. > > I would personaly rather attack any ranged toplaner(from Lulu in early season to Vlad, Neeko, Kennen, Vayne nowadays) Umm no. If your beating Darius with another melee champ, he's doing something wrong. I'm not just coming from the point of view of losing to Darius, I'm also someone who abuses him.
Sοna (EUNE)
: D4 is not high elo.
> [{quoted}](name=Sοna,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NyJG0XBw,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-16T17:13:49.896+0000) > > D4 is not high elo. D4 and above represents the top 5% of players, so yes it's high elo. If you make to Diamond 4, you're literally better than 95% of people who play the game.
Rioter Comments
: Even Solo Renek, the lowest he usually goes is Gold elo. And he isn't even high elo (perma D4-D2 on his main).
> [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NyJG0XBw,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-16T06:59:12.913+0000) > > Even Solo Renek, the lowest he usually goes is Gold elo. And he isn't even high elo (perma D4-D2 on his main). Diamond is considered high elo. Regardless, SRO has an account in Masters.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CyanSolution247,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-11T21:33:57.787+0000) > > ah yes a yasuo main, it seems you don't have the pleasure of fighting yasuo's who are 0/5, hit their item spike and suddenly snowball back into the game. Clearly he is a bad yasuo player if he lost lane so hard... but why is he cutting through my {{champion:20}} booty like butter? You're complaining a late game champion spikes late game, NOOOO! WAYYYYY! The nerve of Yasuo. I mean you were op af compared to him all game and given serious advantages all game, but how dare a late game champion get better over time with csing and an increase in his stats.
> [{quoted}](name=Bultz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-11T22:54:20.116+0000) > > You're complaining a late game champion spikes late game, NOOOO! WAYYYYY! The nerve of Yasuo. I mean you were op af compared to him all game and given serious advantages all game, but how dare a late game champion get better over time with csing and an increase in his stats. I'm not complaining about Yasuo, I'm even considering him as a new main. I'm just stating facts.
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=VìciousDelicious,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-11T18:11:06.112+0000) > > Yeah Yas is supposedly hard to play, yet everytime I feel bored enough to try him out I get fed and get double and triple kills. I literally doubled killed enemy top and jg whilst getting ganked two days ago. It's just a ridiculously strong kit. There is just no getting around that. Anyone can be good with Yasuo, even if you just started playing him, all you have to do is just be alittle patient and wait for a powerspike before you start taking risks and being aggro. Played Yasuo 3 times since the new Year, fed two games, got lucky in one.* Yeah guys anyone. I got really bored and went through a years worth of your match history, You won 1 game as Yasuo. 7 Games you lost with a negative kda, mostly 10+ average deaths with a 4 kill average as Yasuo. Anyways, don't lie.
> [{quoted}](name=Bultz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-04-11T22:51:32.804+0000) > > Played Yasuo 3 times since the new Year, fed two games, got lucky in one.* Yeah guys anyone. > > I got really bored and went through a years worth of your match history, You won 1 game as Yasuo. 7 Games you lost with a negative kda, mostly 10+ average deaths with a 4 kill average as Yasuo. Anyways, don't lie. Yeah because this is my only account...
: > [{quoted}](name=VìciousDelicious,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-11T18:11:06.112+0000) > > Yeah Yas is supposedly hard to play, yet everytime I feel bored enough to try him out I get fed and get double and triple kills. I literally doubled killed enemy top and jg whilst getting ganked two days ago. It's just a ridiculously strong kit. There is just no getting around that. Anyone can be good with Yasuo, even if you just started playing him, all you have to do is just be alittle patient and wait for a powerspike before you start taking risks and being aggro. Yeah, anyone can play a champion once or twice, win, and say he/she is braindead... I mean, Yas also feels bad in team fights if you below a certain bar. If your 2 levels and items ahead of everyone, he can carry harder than most champions, but if he's 0/5, he's pretty much irrelevant.
> [{quoted}](name=Highvoltage999,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-11T19:45:39.672+0000) > > Yeah, anyone can play a champion once or twice, win, and say he/she is braindead... I mean, Yas also feels bad in team fights if you below a certain bar. If your 2 levels and items ahead of everyone, he can carry harder than most champions, but if he's 0/5, he's pretty much irrelevant. Yasuo doesn't need to be 2 levels and items ahead of everyone to carry harder than most champions though. He really just needs to be even or only slightly behind. I also have more than two games on Yas to form my opinion. And I'm not really saying he's braindead either. I'm just saying his kit is very strong, but he's definitely not as mechanically intense as everyone suggests. Or atleast, you don't have to have his mechanics fully mastered to do really well with him. You just need to be ok mechanically, and macro correctly. And for me the macro comes down to this. When I compare him to someone like Darius. When I play Darius, for most matchups, the way you play Darius at 3-5 minutes into the game, is the same way you play Darius 10 minutes into the game. For me, that's different with Yasuo. Yasuo's early game strength vs his mid and late game strength are VERY different. So you have to keep that in mind when your playing him. Yasuo is a bad ass overloaded champion, it's just a fact. He's just not that champ in the beginning. I play him like the new Kayle, and I generally always do well with that strategy.
: > [{quoted}](name=VìciousDelicious,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KiN5b5jZ,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-04-11T18:01:46.967+0000) > > Oh really, better inform Ekko, Kayne, Pyke, Shaco, Rengar, and LB. They all have hard CC if not specifically a root or stun. first off, red kayn isnt an assasin, nobody counts ekko as an assasin i mean he doesnt bush jump you at all, same with LB. Rengar, ok, shaco, ok. Those are the only ones i left out but you get the point most if assasins dont have hard cc
> [{quoted}](name=GodlyBane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KiN5b5jZ,comment-id=000800010000,timestamp=2019-04-11T21:04:47.757+0000) > > first off, red kayn isnt an assasin, nobody counts ekko as an assasin i mean he doesnt bush jump you at all, same with LB. Rengar, ok, shaco, ok. Those are the only ones i left out but you get the point most if assasins dont have hard cc ACTUALLY the general consensus is, that Ekko, Rengar, LB are considered assassins. They are included in every League assassin tier list you can find. So no I don't get your point, because the fact is plenty of assassins have hard cc. https://tierlist.gg/assassin-tier-list https://qtoptens.com/top-10-most-fun-assassins-league-of-legends/ https://rankedboost.com/assassin-tier-list/
SCP 106 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=VìciousDelicious,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-11T18:11:06.112+0000) > > Yeah Yas is supposedly hard to play, yet everytime I feel bored enough to try him out I get fed and get double and triple kills. I literally doubled killed enemy top and jg whilst getting ganked two days ago. It's just a ridiculously strong kit. There is just no getting around that. Anyone can be good with Yasuo, even if you just started playing him, all you have to do is just be alittle patient and wait for a powerspike before you start taking risks and being aggro. HEY GUESS WHAT I found out, anyone can be good with anyone, not just yasuo! maybe you just had a lucky game
> [{quoted}](name=SCP 106,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLiAlwzT,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-04-11T21:10:20.046+0000) > > HEY GUESS WHAT I found out, anyone can be good with anyone, not just yasuo! maybe you just had a lucky game Eh, I wouldn't say that at all. I've probably got 20 games of Yas under my belt, and I think I've only performed badly 2-3 of those. Doesn't sound like luck to me, and i'm probably only average mechanically. Yasuo's kit is just OP. You just have to keep in mind there's an astronomical difference between the strength of early Yasuo vs mid and late Yasuo and play accordingly. That's what hurts Yasuo's winrate so much, people assume that Yasuo is broken right off the bat and end up feeding with him early. A high elo and experienced Yasuo main may be able to play Yasuo like a bully right off the bat, a newb like me has to wait for that mid game powerspike. I don't think it's a mechanical issue that makes him difficult for newbs, I'd say it's macro.
Kalikain (NA)
: When Yas Players complain about ban rates
Yeah Yas is supposedly hard to play, yet everytime I feel bored enough to try him out I get fed and get double and triple kills. I literally doubled killed enemy top and jg whilst getting ganked two days ago. It's just a ridiculously strong kit. There is just no getting around that. Anyone can be good with Yasuo, even if you just started playing him, all you have to do is just be alittle patient and wait for a powerspike before you start taking risks and being aggro.
: Assasins have no stuns or roots in the game. No, evelynn does not count as she is the only assasin in the game with that.
> [{quoted}](name=GodlyBane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KiN5b5jZ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-04-11T17:39:54.032+0000) > > Assasins have no stuns or roots in the game. No, evelynn does not count as she is the only assasin in the game with that. Oh really, better inform Ekko, Kayne, Pyke, Shaco, Rengar, and LB. They all have hard CC if not specifically a root or stun.
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