Read the points above as to why it's not a conspiracy and instead is just a theory. Or don't and continue to find every thread like this to comment on, as if anyone in them really cares about what you have to say because they all know you're doing it. It's a waste of your energy and it's a waste of mine to respond.

You're still missing the point: compared to previous seasons and even other games, complaints about the matchmaking are far more common. Want me to total it up? Sources will be [HotS general boards](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/heroes/c/general-discussion) and [HotS competitive boards](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/heroes/c/competitive-discussion) for HotS, and [the search function set to search every board](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/search?query=Matchmaking&application_id=PEr1qIcT&created_from=now-1d&content_type=discussion) for LoL. Within the last 24 hours from 7:10 A.M CDT on 8/18/2019, there has been one complaint about matchmaking on the HotS boards. Within the last 7 days, there have been 3 total complaints about matchmaking. I'll humor you and go back a month, only to find 12 posts total criticizing matchmaking. Same query for LoL though, 23 within the first month alone... only on the first three pages of the search. Within the past week, we've got 18 complaints on the first page. Within the past day, 7... reduced to 5 if you don't include tenuous ones or the ones that'll surpass 24 hours in 2 hours. Unlike LoL, the HotS design team has actually addressed complaints, proving they care enough to... well, fix a common issue, even if they may not have solved the problem. What has LoL's design team done about the innumerable (literally; Riot's 'sort by age of post' function is useless so I don't know how many posts I've missed) complaints? Nothing at all. I could get into the fact that their acknowledgement in and of itself has likely caused the massive downturn in posts about matchmaking on their boards, but... hey, why would I need to? I just have to ask you, when do you stop being an apologist and start thinking about what people have to say? Even if I'm the only one able to articulate shit like this, everyone else has been **saying** it. I'm acting as an amalgamation of what they have had to say. Claims that the matchmaking is fine and _not_ rigged despite countless pieces of evidence to say otherwise is naïve. You're defending them with proof you don't have, with evidence you don't have and with knowledge that's both flawed and _not your own._ You don't even have any examples, because you _know_ they're flawed: you'll post about how the five people on your team and the enemy team are perfectly-matched with a screencap, and someone else posts about a Bronze 4 on their Gold 2 team w/ their own screencap. None of us know the statistic used to determine that "matchmaking" and, weirdly, they don't seem intent on showing it to us. It's indicative of something more nefarious. If it's so easy to prove us wrong, why won't they just... say... replace LP with MMR? Or show us the two side-by-side? Or show us both on a match-by-match basis? Or release the source code for the matchmaking? If their matchmaking does work as you say it does then there's no reason for them to be afraid of releasing it to the public, if people already know how it works. ...or maybe they do change it to suit their own ends? Seems like the logical conclusion. The same system that matches a full Gold team against a full Gold team is the same one that matches a full Bronze team against a full Gold team. None of us have our MMR -- a statistic -- to look at and compare, we only have a pseudo-statistic (LP, divisions and leagues) that doesn't even do the job it's meant to!

> [{quoted}](name=Teh Song,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fOPPEWdw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-17T21:40:58.093+0000) > > honestly how good or bad people are isn't even relevant to winrate, it's just such an idiotic complaint. > I don't understand how/why some people don't understand what *no matter what skill you are* you'll get a 50% winrate and it's not because it's being forced on you, it's just what happens if matchmaking is any good. Concerns are if the matchmaking is good. A lot of people of all ranks have been saying it's bad, and the only evidence supports the claim. Anyone on the other side's missing any evidence or proof that the matchmaking is good, so the former side's arguments are more compelling on a logical basis and -- as of now -- the people who deny there's a problem with it are akin to flat-Earthers and anti-vaxxers. Btw, I say this thinking I'm a rank above where I deserve to be. Beat that, > [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fOPPEWdw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-17T20:21:34.012+0000) > > Alotta people suck ass at this game but don't/can't admit it, it has to be riots fault they aren't winning > > I'm fully aware of how bad I am at least Oh, and what about Faker complaining about it? D+ players? When will you stop trying to dismiss it with your own form of the null hypothesis theory box, where the possibility of anything else is alien because you declare it wrong but then you refuse to see the possibility it may be correct because you declare it alien?

False equivalency. The impact of a bot -- something that actually _does_ fix itself even if it destroys a few matches on the way to doing so -- has nothing on the impact of matchmaking itself. If ranks were decided by skill, there wouldn't be such a vast & visible disparity... which never seems to get "better" as time goes on, like your theory of matchmaking should suggest. Seriously, if all the feeders were to 'filter out', why are they still in my game? You know what's even funnier? The fact that there are more and more matchmaking complaints, season-to-season. S6 it almost always met the response you gave: it's your fault, not the matchmaking's. Now? It's pretty much unanimous that it's rigged. I think you might be changing your tune, if you were present in S6 actively railing against the few threads that were here. Kai, this is just you projecting your own fundamentals onto everyone else like they share the same thoughts, opinions or mindset. You're still using an ideal variation of their matchmaking **as if that's what they use when you have no proof they do.** You are left to **speculate** & **guess** without information. Being a software coder or matchmaking algorithm designer only informs you on their creation. You don't know what they'll be used for, in the hands of the patent owners. You don't know how it'll be changed to suit them, unless you sold it to them under the written condition that they cannot make any changes whatsoever (which is strangely unpopular!) You can guess what they may change and how, but... that's exactly what you're doing: guessing! You made the toy, you sold it... and that's where your responsibility and control ends. You can't change how they use the toy, even if they don't use it for the intended purpose.

As a player who thinks he deserves high Bronze while being in high Silver, think the matchmaking is rigged in some way or other. I've played HotS, DotA2, even more recent games like Apex Legends, and think this matchmaking is discernibly worse at matching people of equal skill up against one-another. DotA2 is a more snowball-heavy game, so the current game-state can't be to blame. HotS is a more team-based experience, so the reliance on your team can't be blamed. If you look at my match history, you'll find a consistent streak of... streaks. WWWWWW followed by LLLLLL in that order. The chance a W follows another W is around 25% at your skill level. The chance another win follows that is 12.5%. The chance another win follows that is 6.25%. The chance another win follows that is 3.125%. The chance another win follows that is 1.5625%. The chance another win follows that is 0.78125%. That happening in a consistent array of 'streaks' is even more unlikely, but yet so common. Now that you know the math, do you really intend to say that something with a 0.01% chance to occur occurring constantly is statistically _normal?_ It happens at every rank, too. People from Diamond have been complaining. Even Faker has criticized it. You also don't have any proof their matchmaking isn't rigged! It's called the 'null hypothesis theory', almost a fallacy, where you need to prove not only that there's another answer but that the **current** answer is wrong. 'God doesn't exist and you need to prove that God does' without any reason to think God doesn't exist in the first place. It's reversible, too: 'God does exist and you need to prove that God doesn't.' You only have an idealized version of how it 'should' work, and you're talking about it like that's how it *does* work... which you don't know. A dishonest way to debate. What **undeniable proof, non-hypothesis,** even evidentially, can you provide that shows matchmaking is working as intended? Evidence including your match history being a 50/50 of interspersed wins and losses? Well-done... now you could be the statistical anomaly. How about, instead, picking 100 people from one rank and then scanning their match history for streak-based similarities like I have, Kai Guy? If you want to find the truth, maybe try something like that instead of telling them about **your** matchmaking system, which Riot -- the company the criticism is targeted at -- most likely does not use. Remember that mention that I'm Silver despite being Bronze an every level? I still think I lose games I have no right to lose, where my team is **somehow even worse than I am** after a streak of wins where my team is as good as I am, or better. I know that I'd **lose ranks** if the matchmaking was better, but I also know I could finally rest at ease knowing what I need to improve upon.

Sivir's restores mana, Fiora's blocks CC **and** redirects it, Malzahar's blocks CC **and is not an active ability**, it isn't the problem I don't think. It lasts, at worst, as long as Fiora's and does about as much damage. It's on a longer CD, though, to make up for the fact it does scale unlike her W.

The irony in having people complain about how team-oriented the game is, and how one garbage player can ruin the match for you... while you want to alleviate the only method there is to remove at least _one_ of those garbage players from your match through duos. "Just play Flex" isn't a valid response when Flex is currently a dumpster-fire of smurfs, trolls and A.F.K players... which is, you know, why FlexQ is meme'd on. Maybe they could actually fix the matchmaking instead of bandaging the gaping wound and hoping it goes away? Nah. I guarantee if you guys get your way you'll be having an even bigger problem w/ the matchmaking.

Turret-shots are noted specifically to be unblockable, unparryable and undodgable. Yasuo's wall can't block turret shots, Jax can't dodge them, and Fiora can't parry them. Note that they're all already great at diving under enemy tower, so you don't need to make them better and/or more broken at it.

HAHAHAHAHA Dude, it's just a synopsis. Quit being cynical.

> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Fmq19YXQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-28T06:20:49.779+0000) > > alcohol dulls the part of the brain that controls your inhibitions, so you are more outspoken and take more risks That's a pretty simple explanation. Cool! I still kinda' want to know more about the physiology and neurology behind it though.

"You're an asshole, but you're _our_ asshole." I'm sure that describes how the boards feel about you ;) It's a complement.

I've been filled jungle a bit too many times for 'rare' to be the right word.

I don't mean to offend, but I'm starting to think you're just projecting an idealized version of the matchmaking onto Riot because of what you've invested into them. A 54% winrate would mean that, no matter what, they win more games than they lose; Slanting LP gains to bring them closer to their 'true' rank is in direct contradiction to their winrate. Not only that, but they actually begun losing more LP after winning so much. That is all kinds of fucked. Even moreso if LP is slanted based on who you pick/play. At this point, they should just give or take LP dependent on your personal performance. It won't be that difficult to implement, as they have a similar system for champion mastery (S+ to D-) and it works in a very similar way: if your average [tower damage/champion damage/cc score/ward score/roam score/etc.] for that rank is, well, above the net. average for that rank, you lose less LP and/or gain more. Towers have finite health, as do objectives, so it's probably wisest to at the very least make tower damage an important, deciding stat. I've won games more than I've lost 'em despite being 0/7/7, due to my power at pushing towers and lanes and, eventually, the nexus. It's easy to prevent abuse by adding something like (cap = tower damage +3/s) to account for the HP regen of the tower, so you can't just farm tower damage by waiting for it to recoup the lost health. Same goes for dragon or baron -- resets do not count towards your 'performance score'.

You're not wrong, but now I'm wondering if I can gauge a good or bad day by the alignment of the stars, the country's newest news, or the number of disasters that occur. It sounds like I'm making fun of you, but outside of Riot trolling their audience it's all I can think of: that the state of the world, for the day, is the decider of how many toxic asshats you meet.

but... actual sports encourage forfeiting if you're outmatched and not enjoying it, and it only requires a supermajority instead of complete unanymity. That, in and of itself, invalidates the argument that "NEVER SURRENDER" is a mindset needed for a competitive environment. I have a distinct feeling you're too set in your ways to consider the possibility of anything else, but w/e. You do you. All I know is that the games where it was a 4/1 vote in favor of surrendering @ 15 have had many, many, many (infinitely) more losses than comebacks. You can't change my mind, because I speak from experience. Have me win a game where it was 4/1 in favor of surrendering at 15 and I'll probably be rethinking it, but for now... no.

We're just spitballing. I seriously hope that Riot is willing to implement something like this, but yeah -- the general idea is that your team should be extremely far behind, with little to no hope of a comeback unless the enemy team suddenly loses all their chromosomes. "No-one on your team should have X more kills than Y deaths" is a good requirement as well.

Maybe a solution would be to have the 4/1 vote go through if your team's behind more than 3k gold and has few to no functional hypercarries. Easy to code, easy to implement, impossible to abuse.

Non-sequiturs aren't the best way to start yourself off. Anyway, I could say that the 4 people who decide that their time is being wasted playing this single match out for any number of reasons are all~ held victim by the single person who says it's a worthwhile endeavor. Forfeiting and surrendering are both viable options in any competitive environment because it dilutes toxicity and saves time. The same thing goes for an electronic sport like LoL. Your PoV would dictate that you get upset anytime anyone surrenders as you mash the 'No' button, yeah? It's the same hting as getting upset people no longer want to play a match that isn't fun in a game/sport meant to **be** fun. Hell, ranked ladders exist specifically because it's **fun** to go up against other similar-skilled players, or to watch the best of the best duke it out. Sticking through a game that's not only lost, but a huge waste of time and energy on top of that, is neither fun nor healthy. You're arguing against the idea of surrendering as a whole, and I'm arguing for the vote to be reduced to a supermajority instead of complete unanymity. Maybe if the game wasn't capable of being decided @ 10 minutes, I'd agree with you and be saying that FFing is a huge waste of time, but unfortunately [the game is more often than not](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/win-stats) decided after first blood, first tower, first dragon or first inhibitor... all of which are reasonable to come across at ten minutes. It's not that I find your mindset abhorrent or disagreeable. In fact, I find your 'never surrender' mindset to be amiable... when it's put alongside other, like-minded people. That's why you're on this thread arguing so fervently, right? You're surrounded by them.

but that's a matter of human social construct, not of what's **actual, genuine and true.** You can be Diamond with Bronze MMR, or you can be SIlver with Gold MMR. The system's meaningless to anyone involved for the reason "3,000 MMR" is meaningless to anyone who isn't: a lack of context.

I've had many more norms matches where I was filled to jungle, and it felt like the exact same thing: I can tell people my clear path (or ping it even) and the lane will still be decided by the time I get there, if they don't die or back when they know how long it'll take me to appear. They push up even when I make it quite obvious I'm pathing to them to gank for them, etc.

So basically, like it was before the drake changes a lot of people were predicting would make the game worse? Conveniently, jungling wasn't in such a bad state before then. I find it weird Riot didn't listen. The current iteration of drakes are too ingrained into the current meta to just be ripped out, but on the other hand everyone was complaining about their introduction and how they made snowballing exponentially worse... so I don't know why Rito Crackers implemented them in the first place.

Every thread's becoming it's own echo-chamber of sentiment related to the title. The ones that agree with me are an echo-chamber, and the ones that don't are an echo-chamber. It's become more and more like that ever since Riot quit curating the ideas put forth; Everyone has their own reasons why the game is the way it is, and the people at Riot are too stupid to actually consider any of them, admit to any of them, and fix any of them, and because peoples' voices aren't being heard they feel like banding together into little warbands in hopes it gives them more of a voice when it doesn't. The side-effect? Downvotes from said warband for anyone who disagrees, even if they have a point. Nice non-sequitur though, I'll keep it in mind if I ever see you again.

or it could be your 0/11/2 "It's just a game man" Vayne flaming people all day and voting 'no' just to piss people off, like it has 99% of the time in **MY** experience. Yours may be different, but please understand where I come from. Seriously, if it's winnable, 2 of those people on your team would vote 'no'. I can't put into words how frustrating it may be to be getting stomped and have 2 people vote 'no', but at least when they do I know it's because we have a chance (and tbf I haven't actually lost a game yet where it's a 3/2 y/n split for a ff vote... even if I really want to ff because everyone's ignoring the enemy jungler camping me) and not because some random asswipe is griefing. Seriously, ask yourself why you're arguing against an early FF being allowed if it's 4y and 1n. It's already the case at 20 minutes, and all those matches where one person was like "Oh fuck no, I want you to suffer through my 11/0 Illaoi" were losses anyway, for reasons I've predicted to come to pass. The 0/11 Vayne didn't just suddenly get gud and quit inting, and it's Silver so I'm the only one who walks out of Illaoi's R. Like, yes, if you ripped every player away from their computer and then put people with a brain in their place you could sorta' stall it out and scale, but until then you gotta' deal with the Vayne whose first and only goal is to get hit by every Illaoi tentacle because she's really into tentacles up every hole _and more._

I can understand that you may come at this from a standpoint of 'I've won games like this so shut up' but can you take a moment to think about the fact that the four people in the match who think it's hopeless are being held hostage by the one person whose either griefing or feeding? They are not asking for it to be 3/2, they're asking for it to be 4/1 which is still a supermajority instead of complete unanymity. I have yet to see one single game, of my 600+ this season, where a FF@15 vote that 4 people have accepted and 1 has denied is unwarranted. They're games where Vayne is 15/0 to your 0/12 Illaoi and 0/3 Rammus, not games where it's your Illaoi feeding but your Caitlyn dominating. The games where your feeding Illaoi is trying to FF despite your Caitlyn being badass always have ended a minimum of 3/2, and usually end 1/4 y/n with people calling to report the Illaoi for giving up, feeding and trolling. Then again maybe I'm just talking to a brick wall and I'll be downvote-botted because I had the audacity to come into a thread and say something that doesn't mesh with the echo-chamber's view on things. It's like individual threads are becoming echo-chambers now.

I know this is a controversial idea, but maybe they should just make Lv2 cheese/ganks less of a game-decider. It's actually a choice, if kill gold was reduced; Do you get the allied laner ahead but end up behind yourself, or do you stay on even ground by farming the jungle?

I use chat. "I'm pathing from red to raptors to wolves to blue to scuttle, prepare your enemy laner for ganks" is pretty much my go-to on match start. Or, if I need to start blue, it's reversed. It doesn't help much when they hide under enemy tower going 0/5/2, though. Literally, unless I play someone able to go right through the jungle in 20s flat, the lane's usually already decided without ganks by the time I kill the scuttlecrab and hit Lv4. They've either fed FB or the enemy team has. The rare games that aren't decided that quickly are usually the ones that last a while, instead of being over @ 15 or 20 because one side's so far ahead.

My 2/6 'ganks Akali while 15% health and dies' Sejuani disagrees. lol

You'd be opting into it by matching with someone so much above your own skill, so I don't see a problem. It'd only happen if you were to duo with someone in Platinum or something when you're Silver, and... why would you do that in the first place? To learn how to play at their level. The same would go for the enemy team: it takes a duo or two individuals of both ranks and matches them together. The game already does this on unofficial terms anyway, putting me against Golds and Platinums and shit while I'm Silver, so it's not like it'd change much. It'd just let me match with my Diamond friend to have 'em tutor me while we play, instead of him having to level a freshie from 1 to 30 to do it.

I'm not saying they need buffs, I'm saying their power is too reliant on their teammates. They're overwhelming with good teammates and completely worthless with bad ones, unlike every other role. It isn't fun for the people fighting the jungler when they're ahead, and it isn't fun for the jungler when they're behind.

I have a feeling you don't even know why I'm in Silver. I don't want to make an alt account to play ranked with my friends in Bronze, though, because it's very tedious/frustrating to wade through the garbage-pits that new players need to deal with. It's an issue all it's own. Personally, I wish that you could play ranked with a Grandmaster so long as there's a Grandmaster on the other team to make up for it, on a 1:1 ratio. 3 Golds, 1 Bronze and 1 Grandmaster on both teams.

That's fair. It comes down to our personal experiences, and I can kinda' understand where you're coming from when you say that helping them doesn't end well for you. I, personally, feel that it's worth it as long as the jungler's not being an asshole. In the end, we've just experienced two different things. For what it's worth, I hope you have better luck. Oh, and the 'mute allied chat' feature does _really_ help. I've even started using it, myself!

It's like talking to a brick wall. Whatever.

You have another fallacy to offer. Of course. The entire problem with League is how the professional scene dictates the game-state, so I'd prefer it if we didn't even go there or I'd bring up how completely, functionally useless certain champions are and how **that** can also skew things when your favorite champion {{champion:13}} is rendered unplayable at a lower elo {{champion:13}} because people are too stupid to stay in their R for a baron play {{champion:13}} and would rather walk back out into the enemy team {{champion:13}} and feed. Faker: primarily a midlane player. Dopa: primarily a midlane player. Bang: primarily an ADC player. Hunie: primarily a toplane player. Get my point yet? Even the professional teams try to get their best players into their best roles because it ups their chance to win. When it comes to this thread, we're not talking about playing one role exclusively, we're talking about how playing anything else will naturally reduce the chances you have to win because everyone's naturally _different._ They gravitate towards what they're best at. Humans are good at certain things as individuals. End of story. I can make you wet your jeans, I'm such a good support... but I do not have the natural skillset needed to be an aggressive midlaner, and since the meta favors them to the point of exclusivity... the lane's just off-limits to me.

It's all we have to go on. However, I can say that because the first three most common champions are ADCs, autofill is not doing it's job if the idea is to maintain stability between the numerous roles. It just doesn't make much sense to have three ADCs to one single support, jungler and toplaner. If you can't tell, I'm trying to make people think about the validity of autofill from a functional standpoint.

Do you have any actual arguments to present, or just a fallacy?

Tier List > Pick Rate. You'll notice the trend I'm speaking of. Ezreal and Kai'Sa and Caitlyn AD are the _most_ popular. Then comes Thresh support. Then comes Kayn jungle. (Sorry, I forgot to filter by region for N.A exclusively.) Interestingly, it's only in Bronze and Silver where things are shaken up a bit w/ Jinx being the most popular AD, Lux being the most popular support, and Yi being the most popular jungler. Edit: I have no clue what's going on in Iron, and I don't want to know. 80% winrate Gragas? No thanks. My point is just that autofill is less useful than people think it is, because it's not solving the problem but creating many _new_ ones under the guise of being a solution. Hell, it doesn't even fix under-representation. Why? Because... the least represented role is the toplane, a claim supported by every analysis site ever.

There was for a fair period of around two to five months. A lot of people had major problems with autofill coming into existence. It may not be that way for E.U.W, but **I was here in N.A so I would know.** In my **experience** autofill has offered absolutely nothing outside of randomly shuffling people between roles for the lulz. It makes it harder to climb, and it makes it harder to have fun if there're specific roles or champions you prefer whom may not even be viable in the jungle.

and how do you know? The game was just fine before they introduced autofill despite having our current system. A lot of people were against it, and only a few were for it. By the way, there are a lot more support and even jungle players than you think. If you want citation, let me just put it like this... [Using the site Riot has most acclaimed and verified the data of,](https://u.gg/) the first two roles are ADC. The second, _support._ The third, jungle. The fourth, top. All of them are represented with enough popularity that you can't tell me autofill is as warranted as you like to think. It's nothing against you, but statistics don't lie. You'll actually notice that Thresh and Pyke are **way, way** up there in popularity. You could argue it's just people being autofilled into the role, but I have to ask... why was Thresh so popular even before the introduction of autofill? He was popular as a support, just like I have a feeling Pyke would be due to the existence of stuff like Pyke mid and top. Autofill is literally a system implemented **just** to please a superminority of people, like you. It has no benefit to game health, and it skews ranking results even further than they're already skewed by crappy matchmaking, balance, and plentiful toxicity.

If individual players wanted lower queuetimes, they'd learn and queue support. It's no different from what we have except for it allowing you your own agency over your queuetimes.

It is, but at least in Top, Mid and AD you can theoretically Übermensch a win out through being super, super good. Hell, even wiith Leona I feel like I can keep my ADC from inting. I don't feel that way as a jungler: if their lane gets fucked, they're fucked and so are you.

Thanks for giving me actual advice. I'll do that. No sarcasm, either. Thank you. I'm kinda' tired of "you're doing it wrong" without people telling me how or why, like they want to vent their frustrations at someone through a venue and it so happens they now have an excuse.

A positive KDA means you feed less gold to the enemy team. A negative KDA means you feed more gold to the enemy team. I'm sure you'd rather have my 13/5/12 Ahri over someone elses' 5/10/10. Even then, a performance-oriented system a' la' CS:GO would include stuff like objectives and ganks and wards and all that jazz and compare it to the average of a rank. If you're sub-par, you gain less for a win and lose more for a loss. If you're above-par, you gain more and lose less. They've already proven it possible with their champion analysis and ranking, where you get an S+ if you're the only one doing jack on the team.

Why does the rank system exist, then?

> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bWZAnlfn,comment-id=000a00000001,timestamp=2019-07-25T17:34:31.796+0000) > > Then you'd be in worse shape if they removed autofill. Autofill is one of the things that makes the preferred role system possible. > > Without the preferred role system we're back to pick order being the rule and you're certainly going to get your role less with that sort of system compared to a system that uses auto-fill. They had the role system without autofill for a while, but then people complained about five-minute queue times without ever being willing to learn the role in the most demand -- Support -- so Riot just created this system to make everyone **but** them do it so they didn't have to! Removing autofill just means longer queues. It does not mean the preferred role system goes away. Everyone loves the system, and removing it would just cause an uproar.

If Dopa lost games playing Mid in Silver, then there's more to Silver than you think. It's full of smurfs, trolls, AFKs, hardcore feeders, hardcore flamers, and hardcore 'I want to win' players. Only two of those are beneficial to have on your team. I **guarantee** if you came over to N.A (it may be different in E.U.W, tbf) and tried to jungle you'd be victim to a few losses that you can do literally nothing about. I'm not saying I deserve a rank higher than my current. I'm content fighting Golds and Platinums in norms, and I'm content fighting them in TT, even if my rank says and will always say 'Silver'. I'm not content with how incredibly frustrating it is to jungle. I shouldn't be able to remove someone else from the game, and vice-versa, no matter how good or bad the teammates or opponents. Games are meant to be, like, **played** and **enjoyed**, and being forced to go semi-AFK because your laners ignore Jax in your jungle -- after you have literally gotten them an upwards of ten kills, by the way -- is just not acceptable. Also, it's not fun.

To win the game? It really does not matter if he's going to help you by ganking for you, like it or not he's responsible for dragons, heralds, barons and towers... all of which have a major impact on winning game _and_ lane. It doesn't matter if he doesn't gank your lane, if he pops a herald Mid and destroys the tower, that's gold for everyone on your team... not just him, and not just you.

Sorry that I don't enjoy playing the cancerous junglers that are even more cancerous in-lane. I just have different taste, and it shouldn't be invalidated because Riot wants to dumpster the role/s because of their own misgivings. Even if that wasn't the case, I've seen countless Yi players try to be Cowsep without any of the actual brain he has, running on into a 'solo' enemy laner only to realize that was their plan and they had four waiting in bush. That's a real dead Yi. In teamfights? Yi gets obliterated unless the enemy has no CDs... which, you know, is something teamwork achieves. Powerfarming? Enemy jungler's powerganking and getting towers, dragons and herald while going 11/1/4, followed by the "wtf why is my team so bad" Yi bitching everyone out. You **need** your lanes not to feed, and your laners to be smart enough to understand how to set up ganks. They have systematically made solo-carrying less of an option. You can't have glossed over that fact. You'll probably notice that my jungle pathing is **actually** perfect. Raptors > Red/Blue > Wolves > Blue/Red > Scuttle the moment it spawns > repeatedly gank the side and middle lane respective of the side of the map I'm on. It does a fat lot of good when Vayne dies to Illaoi under Illaoi's tower though. Three times.