Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=IShowerWithUrDad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8uNceXKp,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-15T16:43:56.654+0000) > > idk if you mean this as a joke(from the irelia nerf), but it would actually make her much easier to kite and poke. So yeah, actually a decent nerf. Howerver, nerfing her ult duration extension on kills is probably the easiest aspect to nerf. Vaynes biggest issue isnt her chase. Its her damage output during all stages of the game combined with her near permanent, long lasting invisibility. Vayne could stand to lose her passive. Vayne could stand to lose her true damage. But as long as her Q is in its current state shes going to be a roflstomp powerhouse.
Vayne’s damage is fine and her true damage (hurts to say it) is fine, because her dueling potential and anti tank/bruiser identity is all she has going for her. Her range is laughable and she has zero poke so her damage has to make up for it. She’s the one adc that assassins and skirmishers have to think twice about before trying to challenge her because Vayne can put up one hell of a fight if she’s good (as an Irelia main I know this). The thing that needs to change is that ult buff that was implemented solely to sell her Firecracker skin and her W interaction with phantom hit. You know something is unhealthy when a champion literally makes full use use out of half the good value of an item. I don’t think Vayne is necessarily broken, but she’s just one of those champs (like Fiora, Riven, and Jax) that if you buff, even in the slightest way, become unfun to play against. I personally love Vayne her lore and thematic is just well made, but in her current state I HATE seeing her.
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: Don't ask questions like this or Riot might seriously start locking champions to lanes. Akali is a viable toplaner because people are having success playing her top. Don't use terms like "allow" or you'll encourage Riot to enforce play styles.
I mean Riot basically forced Irelia to stay top when they butchered her W so I don’t see why Akali should be allowed to be top (when she was intended from the get go to be a midnlaner)
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: They had a perfectly fine version of it but then people might stop buying {{item:3748}} so they axed it
They had a version of it that more than two champions could make use for, but they said fuck that shit .
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: > [{quoted}](name=Infinite Irelia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8Xfwe5l,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-19T18:33:18.774+0000) > > The thing about Irelia is that, if you touch her mobility **at all**, she becomes a worthless champion. Let me explain why. > > Irelia is a teamfight skirmisher which means she can basically 1v1 any other non skirmisher/hybrid skirmisher in the game except true duelists like Riven, Tryndamere, Jax and Fiora. This is why split pushing on her isn't very ideal at least in today's meta where these skirmishers run rampant so you are left with one other option and that is to teamfight (which is what her kit revolves around). If you touch her mobility (which is why shes a nuisance in teamfights) she effectively becomes useless. She's already had her teamfight nerfed by getting rid of the magic reduction on her W completely, anything further is just digging a deeper grave. I absolutely hated new irelia for a long time, but I have to actually agree with this, it's pretty accurate
People downvoting me into oblivion because they cant handle the facts lmao.
: The nature of Irelia gives her kill pressure even when behind
The thing about Irelia is that, if you touch her mobility **at all**, she becomes a worthless champion. Let me explain why. Irelia is a teamfight skirmisher which means she can basically 1v1 any other non skirmisher/hybrid skirmisher in the game except true duelists like Riven, Tryndamere, Jax and Fiora. This is why split pushing on her isn't very ideal at least in today's meta where these skirmishers run rampant so you are left with one other option and that is to teamfight (which is what her kit revolves around). If you touch her mobility (which is why shes a nuisance in teamfights) she effectively becomes useless. She's already had her teamfight nerfed by getting rid of the magic reduction on her W completely, anything further is just digging a deeper grave.
: Nekulon, The Crypt Seeker(Champion Concept)
I like the idea of being able to return from the grave and an increased death timer, but sill killing him still grant the intial kill gold before he resurrects?
: Story behind your league names?
I really loved infinity War. So yeah.
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: all these irelia abusers.
Saezio (EUNE)
: > > (she’s also gotten a skin every year for the last 6 years or so don’t quote me). How about when riot rereleased a supposedly no longer available skin but still kept a better version of the original to keep all the riven players happy xD
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gMydE47u,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-06T22:23:17.428+0000) > > How about when riot rereleased a supposedly no longer available skin but still kept a better version of the original to keep all the riven players happy xD LMFAO
: i cant even be angry anymore im literally just sad as fuck. i dont wanna play this game anymore :/ i dont even know what champion to move on too lol holy crap.
Im taking my time to learn Riven right now but for now I’m playing Rene and Jax in my ranked games
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: IMO, primarily champs who are so linear and do the same thing every time, so they're just literal statchecks. Essentially no skill expression, or minimal "outplay" potential. {{champion:54}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:18}}. {{champion:67}} has some outplay potential, but is one of the worst because she just right clicks you with %max hp - there's seriously no way to mitigate her damage unless you have a point and click CC, because it's so easy for her to dodge ranged skillshots.
Saying Vayne takes no skill is literally dishonest lol
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 25
After these 9.3 nerfs to irelia is there any reason to pick Irelia over Jax? The teamfight oriented skirmisher can now get blown up by mages ... who are most present in **teamfights.** LMFAO.
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: oh i see, thanks for that i see a lot of streamers and korean replays so i think i've got the basics down, in theory at least, but i don't understand a thing about buying control wards i usually buy plenty but a lot of them goes to waste since a new ward replace the other.. in that case if the ward is well positioned i should conserve the new one, right?
Tbh I personally got used to buying two control wards at once cause whenever one gets destroyed either by a jungler or the opposing laner I have another to place down. By the time that one is destroyed I’m ready to back anyway. Its a useful tip I got from my friend so that I can always have effective ward converage if I plan to go aggressive or take herald.
: well congratulations... can you share those tips with us? (first tip don't play botlane, checked)
1 - Focus primarily on csing and punishing enemy mistakes second in lane. 2 - Buy a control ward every time you back (EVERY SINGLE TIME). 3 - Check the map every 30 or so seconds. 4 - Keep track of the enemy jungler. 5 - Build to counter enemy team comp (a lot of crit? Randuins. A lot of overtime/repetitive magic damage? Adaptive Helm) 6 - Make calculated aggressive plays 7 - Focus on objectives. 8 - If you play top lane I recommend taking teleport so you can make tp plays throughout the whole game. 9 - Never flame (I typically just mute all every game so I can focus 100% on the game) 10 - Play snowbally champions so if you get a lead early you can actually push it to carry the game. Getting two kills early game is way more impactful on a champion like Jax than Malphite (unless they’re full ad of course) 11 - Do not, under any circumstance, throw shutdowns. If you’re worth like 1k gold you need to be extremely careful of dying cause giving that to the wrong enemy can literally throw the game.
: good for you, I didn't mean to sound pitful, it is just something that I wanted to say, no more.
Aight no problem just seemed otherwise
: Sometimes I feel a bit jelaous for newbies who get in game and hit plat+ right away.
I mean like I said I had A LOT of help when I first began starting the game. My friends (who are all P2 - D2) practically bugged me into starting saying that I won’t be ass when I begin cause I’ve played mobas in the past and the Irelia trailer is actually the reason I truly began to play League.
: Lol best of luck dude. The Irelia nerfs don't look too big but the Jax one is gonna make your early worse than it already is. Are you playing Irelia top btw?
Yeah I primarily main her top but occasionally will take her mid. I tend to only play Jax when I see our team has near zero potential winning a full on 5v5 teamfight (to many mages, to squishy, etc) so I just split to victory.
: More like good luck next patch cuz your mains are about to take a well-deserved hit. Currently on PBE: > Irelia > - Ionian Fervor (Passive) > - - [Removed] No longer deals bonus damage to shields at max stacks > - Bladesurge (Q) > - - Minion damage changed from [Deals double damage to minions] to [Deals 45/60/75/90/105 bonus damage to minions] > - Vanguard's Edge (R) > - - wall damage increased from 75/125/175 to 125/200/275 > - - slow potency increased from 60% to 90% > - - wall duration lowered from 2.5/3/3.5 to 2.5 at all levels > - - [Removed] No longer disarms enemies passing through the wall > Jax > - Base AD lowered from 69.67 to 68 > - Leap Strike (Q) damage lowered from 80/120/160/200/240 to 65/105/145/185/225
Doesn’t matter I’m still gonna clap cheeks top lane with both of them lol (and btw Irelia gets buffed the following patches after that one)
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: > [{quoted}](name=Infinite Irelia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=y8ktKBsw,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-01-17T00:42:54.429+0000) > > I’ve always viewed riven as just a harder scaling version of Irelia that can even be viewed as better than her mid to late game. > > - Near god like mobility? Check. > - Amazing dueling potential that surpasses Irelia mid to late game? Check. > - Superior and less counterable burst? Check. > - High teamfight presence? Check. > - Cheesy early? Check. > - Hard scaling top lane champ only succeeded by Jax, Tryndamere and maybe Fiora? Check. > - Amazing wavecleae? Check. > - **Low Cooldowns AND Resourceless?** Check. > > Like honestly, it’s amazing lol. Don’t get me wrong I understand that Riven takes an absurd amount of skill and time to master, but it shouldn’t excuse the fact that someone who’s mastered the champ should be allowed to abuse her overloaded kit. Bad Rivens are laughable bad and a detriment to their team while master Riven’s have a tendancy to solo carry games simply because her teamfight and dueling potential is insanely strong. Her durability is worse than irelia's and at least her stun hitbox makes sense unlike the pure steaming bogus that is irelia e
This is true, up until riven obtains black cleaver and deaths dance and life steals any damage you deal to her and not to mention the 100% bonus ad shield that’s up every 4 or so seconds with max cdr.
SCP 106 (NA)
: Riven actually needs to be talked about more, Super strong in Low elo, and High elo.
I’ve always viewed riven as just a harder scaling version of Irelia that can even be viewed as better than her mid to late game. - Near god like mobility? Check. - Amazing dueling potential that surpasses Irelia mid to late game? Check. - Superior and less counterable burst? Check. - High teamfight presence? Check. - Cheesy early? Check. - Hard scaling top lane champ only succeeded by Jax, Tryndamere and maybe Fiora? Check. - Amazing wavecleae? Check. - **Low Cooldowns AND Resourceless?** Check. Like honestly, it’s amazing lol. Don’t get me wrong I understand that Riven takes an absurd amount of skill and time to master, but it shouldn’t excuse the fact that someone who’s mastered the champ should be allowed to abuse her overloaded kit. Bad Rivens are laughable bad and a detriment to their team while master Riven’s have a tendancy to solo carry games simply because her teamfight and dueling potential is insanely strong.
: Riot: "We're having Akali keep her shroud as it makes her very unique."
As an Irelia main (not a one trick as my name suggests I just kept this name cause I like it) I feel like these nerfs will just shit on her teamfight potential while she still remains a sub pair duelist (riven, tryndamere, Fiora, and Jax all will still shit on her late game). Most adcs and auto attack reliant champs avoid the wall simply because of the disarming effect but with that removed and only recieving a slow I feel like there’s really no reason to fear the wall if they have any sort of peel or front line to protect them from a diving Irelia. Really sucks a champion with a 47% winrate top and 45% win rate mid is being gutted like this, but I guess it’s just a sign I should start playing more Jax next season (who’s still hilariously broken with Essence Reaver).
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: > [{quoted}](name=NemeBro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=maTsq0vE,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-12-30T08:57:37.601+0000) > > Does Jax really outscale anymore? While both benefit from Conquerer, on Tryndamere's part the match-up hasn't really changed that much. Jax always did enough damage to quickly force Tryndamere low into ulting. But with conquerer and IE Tryndamere is cutting through Jax's resistances far better than he used to, and the IE rework means he only needs two crit items to get 100% crit now. Tryndamere isn't overly strong in the current meta overall, but the runes and items have made his late game dueling possibly the strongest they've been in a while. {{item:3508}} on jax, tryn doesn't get to ever win the 1 v 1 ever again. {{item:3078}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3508}} And you'd have to be terrible to lose at this point thanks to perma Jax q/e's
This. Jax is literally the champion I'll always pick into Tryndamere if available. He's the only champion that I believe can truly deny Tryn level 1 because of counter strike and outscales him throughout the entire game.
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: Why is camille allowed to be the jg she is?
> Why is she allowed to be a super ganker while **not have that bad of a clear?** That's the boards for ya
: Champions such as Velkoz & Xerath should NEVER be "supports"
They're fine against assassins though problem is most players dont know how to correctly play against assassins (ex. don't shove the wave level 1 and let them push towards you so you have the safety of your tower).
: Jax...
Did your team have zero cc?
: [SKIN CONCEPTS] 5 New Star Guardians - Jhin, Irelia, Tristana, Zoe, Taliyah!
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Antenora (EUW)
: Standard Build: {{item:3153}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3026}} _You shouldn't build this every game, build BOTRK Guinsoos Phantom Dancer then itemize around what the game needs._ Skill Max Order: W > Q > E (R at 6/11/16 obviously)   Runes you go Precision primary and either Domination or Sorcery secondary. The viable keystones on Vayne are Press the Attack, Lethal Tempo or Fleet Footwork. You can honestly pick any of these 3, they all work. I'd recommend Fleet Footwork if you're new to the champion. The rune pages I usually switch between are as follows https://i.gyazo.com/2114a759aa324bbad3f1da8ba7d7bc1c.png https://i.gyazo.com/b423249e45bcf6f56599da424e52b9d9.png https://i.gyazo.com/b9b397a509782d52981b7ead523f3cac.png As for matchups just ban Draven every game.   If you have any more questions feel free to drop by the Vayne Mains reddit or even the discord server. I'm an active moderator there myself. https://www.reddit.com/r/vaynemains/ https://discord.gg/t36Y93h
This is amazing thanks Ill look on that reddit definitely
: tl;dr shes getting buffed and i wanna abuse her /s also when fed dont think you can just suddenly jump into 2-3 people and expect to survive, you want to play it out almost like a twitch. stay on the outskirts avoiding CC, then blow shit up, but dont just tumble just cause
Ive been playing this game since late season 5. Vayne has always been the only adc I’ve ever had any interest in playing simply cause she plays like a fighter in the sense her 1v1 capability is amazing.
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: A fed Draven is living out a Draven fantasy.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LFZo8gqH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-22T08:08:46.867+0000) > > A fed Draven is living out a Draven fantasy. So much this
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AjXtar (EUW)
: Why are bruisers a problem, but mages are not
It’s because the mage class is a class where you have to be selective and careful with your engages or it could mean death. Why is this? Because for the most part mages can have the most impact in a team fight. Just look at Vel’koz and Orianna ultimates that, when used correctly, can single handedly win any fight. Its just most mage players are genuinely bad and don’t understand that they’re a class that excels in standing behind their frontline and allowing their tanks and bruisers to protect them. There’s been SO many times where a short ranged mage like a brand just got super close to me or a team mate to “poke” only to just get blown the fuck up for doing so, but then they wonder why that happened.
: Its generally not your junglers fault
As someone who used to be a jungler main I can understand where junglers come from when they’re being blamed, but there are times when I’m quite literally in a 1v2 lane top and my jungler is getting NOTHING done on the opposite side of the map (not ganking bot even when they’re pushed, not taking Dragon even though half of the time they’re playing someone that can solo it easily, not taking the enemy junglers botside jungle, etc). I genuinely don’t have a problem with being camped topside as long as my team is getting stuff dont on the bot side of the map, however there’s nothing more tilting when you’re being camped in the top lane and you’re team is STILL somehow managing to lose their lanes cause at that point why even continue trying?
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