: Patch 8.23 notes
Ok but how is soraka getting a skin this patch and then a skin next patch :)
Destaice (NA)
: Does anyone remember the male adult film star who streamed League?
if it was the gay for pay one it was Jayden I believe
Tompson (NA)
: Teemoing Shop is Literally Impossible
Okay... They don't HAVE to give you a discount. If you don't want them, don't buy them? Like??
Zastie (NA)
: Feels like being rewarded for randomly being chosen wouldn't sit well with a lot of people.
> [{quoted}](name=Zastie,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=QzzQJHrh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-08T22:12:52.102+0000) > > Feels like being rewarded for randomly being chosen wouldn't sit well with a lot of people. It's not completely random as toxic players don't get an invite to test
: take a time machine back to season 2-3? twitch can't jungle like he used to... he is like jungle graves except... terrible at everything graves is great at.
> [{quoted}](name=CTElephant,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=9hwnQkvE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-08T14:54:23.740+0000) > > take a time machine back to season 2-3? > > twitch can't jungle like he used to... he is like jungle graves except... terrible at everything graves is great at. I remember those days. I think it was like season 1 and 2, not really 3. That was fun.
: Any else having issues with their client crashing a lot lately?
ive had it crash randomly, or whenever i finish a game, it won't show up the stats and then crash when I try to manually open it.
: Hah, big whoop. Swain fans have been waiting since 2012 for a new skin and we weren't even lucky enough to get a 750 RP one not long ago, unlike Eve. At least Eve is getting an update next year, we don't know when Swain will.
> [{quoted}](name=Brutusness,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5JfZi5Zs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-05-28T18:38:33.091+0000) > > Hah, big whoop. Swain fans have been waiting since 2012 for a new skin and we weren't even lucky enough to get a 750 RP one not long ago, unlike Eve. At least Eve is getting an update next year, we don't know when Swain will. Let me know when Eve gets a skin anywhere NEAR Tyrant Swain.
: When people tell me that Whitney Houston had only one good song.
There's a lot more than that. Those are just the mainstream ones. There's also I'm Every Woman, I'm your Baby Tonight, All the man I need. Also on the last album there was Million Dollar Man and I look to You. All really amazing songs, truly a beautiful woman and vocalist.
: http://puu.sh/p2RmY/a0b8a4975f.jpg Ayyy lmao.
> [{quoted}](name=Saminus Maximus,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=pEQ9tR96,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-05-24T14:17:39.792+0000) > > http://puu.sh/p2RmY/a0b8a4975f.jpg > Ayyy lmao. You had no farm, which means you just went for kills, that's not S quality
RengClaw (NA)
: theres a thing called /remake
> [{quoted}](name=sauceNUB,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=UeMKEN0G,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-24T14:43:47.070+0000) > > theres a thing called /remake /remake is only the first 3 minutes of the game and no firstblood. If they feed early kills and just afk because tilt the system will not work.
: GD I kind of want to just quit my job, because I will never have a bf
: I think it's bugged af. I also was attacked by minions while stealthed as Teemo.
On PBE I was being hit by spooky ghosts even though I was stealth and no wards were around, I hope that didn't transition to live.
: Stopping Bug
I am experiencing the same issues with Evelynn, It happens SO frequently when I use E, it'll completely stop any action for a good second. It's very bad.
: Well, I had her born in the Blessed Isles before the Ruination. Certain events transpired which had her take up the life of a criminal with vigilante patterns that earned her the mantle of Widowmaker. She was "killed" as part of a deal to make amends with the Black Rose after a particular job she took that involved stealing a precious artifact for Thresh. She revived upon devouring the demon that had preyed upon her soul thanks to the distraction of the Ruination and her intense hatred over the circumstances of her betrayal. She hunted down her former partner, but he had aged so greatly that her anger could not be sated over bullying a geriatric. She attempted to start a "war" on the Black Rose, but gathering information had never been her strength. After a couple years of numerous dead ends, Evelynn resumed the life of an assassin for hire with the calling card of Widowmaker. After centuries of silence, the Black Rose contacted Evelynn to employ her services. They did so under great caution, sending a demon to negotiate with a demon. Aware that this Shaco was the only member of the Black Rose that had been alive during her betrayal (and having lost all sense of purpose in this monotonous world), Evelynn agreed to become a handmaiden of LeBlanc. Eveylnn has a very strong attachment to Evaine, practically raising the girl since she was three.
This was a GOOD read. Thanks for that.
: Funny... Took me about 70 games to hit plat1... https://i.gyazo.com/dc8cbd1cdac29e4d9eebb681d4022048.png Can I suggest: git gud?
> [{quoted}](name=jaymc1130,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=EeejYt7b,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-03T02:35:18.322+0000) > > Funny... Took me about 70 games to hit plat1... > > https://i.gyazo.com/dc8cbd1cdac29e4d9eebb681d4022048.png > > Can I suggest: git gud? uhm first of all. This is SO old judging by the item icon on Randuins. This was probably in a different meta too. So please. Don't badger others.
: I mean they can only give full reworks to like 3/4 champions per year. This year they're doing {{champion:44}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:83}} and someone else, most likely {{champion:19}}. For next year there are any number of candidates for full VGUs: Riot have expressed interest in giving full updates {{champion:3}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:50}} and probably more champions than that are waiting too. There's a good chance Eve will get her rework next year but there are other champions that badly need them as well. Anyone who gets a rework instead of her probably needs one just as badly as she does. I would be incredibly happy if Eve got reworked next year as I really want to be able to play her as an assassin but you can't deny that people like Urgot are just as deserving of attention.
Well at least Urgot has received changes/buffs that help him. I've seen A LOT of Urgot mid recently to a very good degree.
: "We nerfed Evelynn because people with a lot of experience on her had a high winrate"
I don't know why we're so suprised. Evelynn has always been a champion that gets the short end of the stick. How long did it take them to update her splash art? Meanwhile, look at her ability icons. Literally the poorest ones in game.
Aazzlano (NA)
: Meanwhile, {{champion:238}} and {{champion:245}} receive buffs to keep them relevant in the meta at all times! Honestly at this point I expect even when she does receive a rework, that she will just get nerfed even further into unplayability so I don't even know if i should look forward to her getting touched. It NEVER ends well.
It honestly never ends well. It'll look SO good, but as soon as people realize any form of viability, booms, down the hole she goes again.
: The Rise And Fall of Tank Top Ekko
Nekusen (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=InvisaBitch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mNGKwLlw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-28T00:20:48.065+0000) > > That ultimate look so broken. Overloaded ult it isn't really when you run the numbers, it basically is an aoe slow, that adds little damage (numbers can be tweaked), and makes half her damage from other sources ignore resistances.
And steals healing inside which im guessing includes life steal
Nekusen (NA)
: Evelynn Suggested Changes
That ultimate look so broken. Overloaded ult
Pika310 (NA)
: You talk as though you yourself weren't personally responsible for the way Eve is right now. You say she's supposed to be an Assassin? You nerfed her damage bases and scalings, then buffed the shield on her ult. You say she's supposed to be AP? You nerfed her AP ratios, then buffed her AD ones and the AS on her E. You say her performance by people that main her is comparatively lower to other champion mains? YOU YOURSELF PERSONALLY DESIRED THIS AND INTENTIONALLY NERFED HER TO MAKE IT SO: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bKd1UWQl-meddler-can-we-please-get-some-context-on-the-eve-nerfs?comment=0003 Or did you think we'd really forgotten that blatantly Eve-hating post you made so long ago? We never forget. Now here you are sitting there and expecting us to believe you honestly didn't know how each and every one of these changes would affect her, that you didn't intend for all of these things you listed off to occur. You can't honestly be that crass, or maybe you can since it's very clear you don't respect your customers. We're smarter than you want to believe.
What REALLY grinds my gears is that whenever an item is introduced in the game that benefits Eve. The item will either get removed (DFG/Runeglaive) or nerfed (Runic Echo's). On top of the removal/nerfs of the items. Evelynn HERSELF gets nerfed with no compensation buffs whatsoever. When you removed DFG you nerfed her ult range, made it %current health, and made her E do physical damage instead of magic. On top of that, you nerfed her base damages significantly, made her Q costs much more mana, and to finish her off you added a dumb mechanic to a skill that already refreshes on kill/assist. But wait, there's more... Now not only can you not kite champions unless you have Rylais (which is an expensive item), but if you have no mana (which you likely won't), you cannot escape with your W because you're too busy Q'ing to reset the cooldown.
: I remember in Dota 1, players were able to steal items (ud have to put them on the ground)
: if Riot were smart they would just add the Chinese art, not use it as replacement.
The chinese masquerade Evelynn splash is an upgrade from the old one IMO.
: Evelynn's Visual Gameplay Update Progess Status - 1 year since original post
Yeah, I feel the same way. Honestly, she always gets the short end of the stick. Her VU was supposed to be with the stealth rework back in 2012. Twitch received his, Eve is still awaiting.
Uiraya (NA)
: If mobile champs paid for their mobility the way Eve pays for her stealth this would be the most balanced game ever made.
This is so accurate. Like, thank you.
: > What good does it do to say you want to fix the problem long term, but are removing the only way to fix the problem short term? This is a good point honestly, and it's one we've been mulling over as well. Not too long ago, we removed DFG from the game and went about the process of a bunch of compensation buffs and what-not. Generally speaking, we think that attempt in being ahead of a change actually caused more issues than it cut off. It's possible we should nerf Zed (and again, there are others) for 6.9, but it's possible the less disruptive action would be to see how things actually play out as opposed to prematurely nerfing all the things we _assume_ will cause big disruptions without knowing how they will actually play out.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FJb6w1gc,comment-id=00060001000b0000,timestamp=2016-04-21T04:08:55.688+0000) > > This is a good point honestly, and it's one we've been mulling over as well. Not too long ago, we removed DFG from the game and went about the process of a bunch of compensation buffs and what-not. Generally speaking, we think that attempt in being ahead of a change actually caused more issues than it cut off. It's possible we should nerf Zed (and again, there are others) for 6.9, but it's possible the less disruptive action would be to see how things actually play out as opposed to prematurely nerfing all the things we _assume_ will cause big disruptions without knowing how they will actually play out. I just want to point out that when you removed DFG you did not recompense everyone. Evelynn was nerfed because her ult synergized too well with DFG so you guys lowered the range, increased the cooldown, and changed it from %MAX HEALTH to %CURRENT HEALTH. On top of that you also nerfed her itemization by making her E do physical damage instead of magic.
: Refocus her more as the assassin she was always meant to be. Make her tanky builds less viable while giving her more damage when she builds damage. I mostly feel that assassin Eve doesn't have enough combat power even when she's ahead. She loses pretty much every duel, and currently has a hard time eating through the heavy defensive items that even ADCs are carrying (though the Sterak's / Maw nerf will help with that.)
> [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yX0zWm3R,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-20T21:23:25.103+0000) > > Refocus her more as the assassin she was always meant to be. Make her tanky builds less viable while giving her more damage when she builds damage. > > I mostly feel that assassin Eve doesn't have enough combat power even when she's ahead. > She loses pretty much every duel, and currently has a hard time eating through the heavy defensive items that even ADCs are carrying (though the Sterak's / Maw nerf will help with that.) I'm extremely happy that they will all be sharing a unique passive now (Life Line), so no more full damage builds with Starks/Maw. Yes!
: Personally, as an Eve main I'm against this idea. I feel having to manually close the gap with her target gives her one of the more healthy assassination patterns. She has no way to instantly jump and burst someone down, they always have to have enough time to react to her presence and try to fight back. She especially needs this because of her stealth. If she had both stealth and a gapcloesr, she's just be like Rengar all over again - when she's strong, you die instantly with no counterplay.
> [{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yX0zWm3R,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-20T21:20:49.260+0000) > > Personally, as an Eve main I'm against this idea. > I feel having to manually close the gap with her target gives her one of the more healthy assassination patterns. She has no way to instantly jump and burst someone down, they always have to have enough time to react to her presence and try to fight back. She especially needs this because of her stealth. If she had both stealth and a gapcloesr, she's just be like Rengar all over again - when she's strong, you die instantly with no counterplay. I agree with this statement. I honestly don't understand why the skill has two cooldown resetting mechanics when one of them completely resets it (kills and assists). I wish they would revert the change they did a while back where spell hits would grant movement speed on champions.
Bearsub (NA)
: Evelynn Ultimate Rework Idea
The main issue is that the ultimate would feel too much like Nocturne's, or Graves W, or Quinn's Q in my opinion, just with a damage amp.
: I'm a little worried about an Evelynn update too, mostly because I don't know how they will decide to classify her. If they run her as an AP Diver, I have a list of things I'd hope to change for her to do that better than she does now. If they go with AP Assassin, please give her better engage and escape so she isn't "Diving".
> [{quoted}](name=Ravenhale,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H3klEX8s,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-04-20T20:52:05.015+0000) > > I'm a little worried about an Evelynn update too, mostly because I don't know how they will decide to classify her. If they run her as an AP Diver, I have a list of things I'd hope to change for her to do that better than she does now. If they go with AP Assassin, please give her better engage and escape so she isn't "Diving". Honestly I just think her ult is the only thing that needs to change. She is an assassin and that ult just does not fit with her.
: Ryze Champion Update
I just hope when they get to updating Evelynn they give us insight on what they're planning and take into consideration what we love/find iconic about Evelynn.
Veltox (NA)
: Eve icons
I would really like them to update the icons now, and if they need to update them again do it later. I'm sure they have 90% completed icons for Eve, they just haven't released them yet. Honestly anything would be better than what she has now.
: Evelynn is planned for a full VGU next year so of course she'll be getting new ability icons
> [{quoted}](name=Moonboy65,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PeL4txAP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-20T04:10:31.804+0000) > > Evelynn is planned for a full VGU next year so of course she'll be getting new ability icons Well for now they can at least update them. Honestly I think anything would look better than what they have right now. They're ANCIENT.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:10:53.202+0000) > > But there's no denying that consistent lore updates would be miles of improvement for helping people see SOMETHING to look forward to. So what would you like, and where would you be willing to compromise to get it? > [{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c00010001000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:12:06.603+0000) > > What you should tell them is that it's been 1.5 years since their retcon and some champ bios still have League, Summoners, and Institute of War in them. {{champion:24}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:9}} all come to mind. > [{quoted}](name=InvisaBitch,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c00010001000000010001,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:12:31.980+0000) > See Eve tier. Man, I've been here too long. I remember when 'Eve tier' meant 'gamebreakingly overpowered' too.
> [{quoted}](name=Trylobyte,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000d0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:12:33.353+0000) > > So what would you like, and where would you be willing to compromise to get it? > > Man, I've been here too long. I remember when 'Eve tier' meant 'gamebreakingly overpowered' too. Yeah, and every time she gets her 5 minutes of fame, Riot buries her 6 feet under for a good while. It's honestly not worth haha
: > [{quoted}](name=InvisaBitch,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c000100010000,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:00:11.370+0000) > > Can we please for the love of all that is holy update Evelynn's lore. I know it's a little bit of topic, but I want to find out why Eve is the way she is and what are her intentions, why did she get her powers, etc. I think everyone with an interest in lore wants the biographies of their interested champions updated. I main Sona and often play Nautilus, and they too haven't yet been graced with updated lore. :/ What I won't do is go over to the Foundations teams desks in person and tell them to prioritize my mains, because I am a good human being. That's what I'm telling myself, anyway. That's what I tell myself...
> [{quoted}](name=Bioluminescence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c0001000100000001,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:06:39.310+0000) > > I think everyone with an interest in lore wants the biographies of their interested champions updated. > > I main Sona and often play Nautilus, and they too haven't yet been graced with updated lore. :/ What I won't do is go over to the Foundations teams desks in person and tell them to prioritize my mains, because I am a good human being. That's what I'm telling myself, anyway. That's what I tell myself... You're right, I'm a little bias, but when it comes to Evelynn in anything (visuals, game play, lore), I really feel she gets the short end of the stick for a while, See Eve tier.
: > [{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-04-17T16:51:05.661+0000) > > **This **right here shows you didn't read my post. Got distracted because I read the rest of the thread too before replying, may have gotten your issue confused with someone else's. > [{quoted}](name=InvisaBitch,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c000100010000,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:00:11.370+0000) > > Can we please for the love of all that is holy update Evelynn's lore. I know it's a little bit of topic, but I want to find out why Eve is the way she is and what are her intentions, why did she get her powers, etc. To be the devil's advocate (a role I love playing, if you couldn't tell already) wouldn't that be 'ruining her identity' as a mysterious assassin if Riot just told us everything about her and didn't leave that room for speculation? Would it be better, instead, to maybe have tales about things she's done while keeping that element of mystery where nobody, not even the player, really knows what she is or why she's doing it? > [{quoted}](name=Darrosh Jewfist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c0002,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:01:50.933+0000) > > Side note: > > Thank you for maintaining a consistent community interaction. The board probably knows you better then Jaerdan or whoever else is on the lore team. I know you do your best given you're not in their department and I really appreciate the involvement you put in to these boards. 100% agreed with this. We all appreciate the effort you put into keeping the lore community engaged, even if you don't work with lore.
> [{quoted}](name=Trylobyte,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c0001000100000000,timestamp=2016-04-17T17:04:19.733+0000) > > To be the devil's advocate (a role I love playing, if you couldn't tell already) wouldn't that be 'ruining her identity' as a mysterious assassin if Riot just told us everything about her and didn't leave that room for speculation? Would it be better, instead, to maybe have tales about things she's done while keeping that element of mystery where nobody, not even the player, really knows what she is or why she's doing it? Well the main reason why I bring this up is because Riot has not updated Evelynn's visuals because they don't know what/who she is. Since she was created in a time where mystery was pretty much the norm, it was acceptable. Now so many people have a backstory or at least explanations of their existence, but Eve is just 'mystery'
: > [{quoted}](name=Melledoneus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c0001,timestamp=2016-04-17T16:47:17.533+0000) > > I understand it taking a while, but I hate cliffhangers. Especially since we lose all our hype by the time the next lore piece comes out. > > I think if you're going to release a story, release it all at once. I think that the Bilgewater stuff did quite well at giving us a decent chunk of story - with an arc all to itself - while leaving things open for the future development of the story. Other areas aren't managing that so well, but Burning Tides and Shadow and Fortune, I felt were pretty satisfying. I'm not going to set up a strawman here, but to be clear, I prefer it when a story has a beginning, middle, and an end - but leaves room for expansion later. I don't want to finish reading a story and think "Yep - and they lived happily ever after. No more story here!" I know you're not suggesting that :) And to be clear - I also think that the Bilgewater stories are the best example we have at the moment of this. There's a lot of lore that's not even achieved it's own arc yet, never mind leaving it open for future arcs.
> [{quoted}](name=Bioluminescence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ilXJ8AjZ,comment-id=000c00010001,timestamp=2016-04-17T16:55:03.841+0000) > > I think that the Bilgewater stuff did quite well at giving us a decent chunk of story - with an arc all to itself - while leaving things open for the future development of the story. Other areas aren't managing that so well, but Burning Tides and Shadow and Fortune, I felt were pretty satisfying. > > I'm not going to set up a strawman here, but to be clear, I prefer it when a story has a beginning, middle, and an end - but leaves room for expansion later. I don't want to finish reading a story and think "Yep - and they lived happily ever after. No more story here!" I know you're not suggesting that :) > > And to be clear - I also think that the Bilgewater stories are the best example we have at the moment of this. There's a lot of lore that's not even achieved it's own arc yet, never mind leaving it open for future arcs. Can we please for the love of all that is holy update Evelynn's lore. I know it's a little bit of topic, but I want to find out why Eve is the way she is and what are her intentions, why did she get her powers, etc.
Sukishoo (NA)
: They clearly said 100%, and now it's only 50%
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=APFztd8q,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-04-16T01:42:14.118+0000) > > They clearly said 100%, and now it's only 50% Two slashes, 50% each = 100% of your AP.
: She doesn't have 100% ap ratio on her E it was gutted and removed a while back pretty sure
> [{quoted}](name=Riven Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=APFztd8q,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-15T13:02:13.121+0000) > > She doesn't have 100% ap ratio on her E it was gutted and removed a while back pretty sure Yes she does. Physical Damage Per Slash: 35 / 55 / 75 / 95 / 115 (+ 50% AP) (+ 50% bonus AD)
Haunt (NA)
: i will be sure to never use a skin (if i even have one) in aram when i get this champion
> [{quoted}](name=Haunt,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=B3i6jfku,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-04-13T21:44:39.976+0000) > > i will be sure to never use a skin "if i even have one" in aram when i get this champion Her base skin isn't even that bad, I was looking at it closely, the colors are much more vibrant after her TU. The splash alone takes the cake though.
Leu07 (NA)
: Evelynn's new Splash Art is absolutely amazing
Honestly, revert the W nerfs, remove mana cost and add the on-spell hit movement speed on her W again and she's fine. Other than that, I am in love with the splash art, the minimap icon in game is very dark though, could you please lighten up the colors so her details are actually visible enough?
: > [{quoted}](name=Paragon Fury,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=B3i6jfku,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-13T18:50:11.071+0000) > > Helmet Bro just can't catch a break, can he? this is him catching a break
> [{quoted}](name=Maid of Plays,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=B3i6jfku,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-04-13T18:51:03.787+0000) > > this is him catching a break I laughed
Rioter Comments
: Why can't we get a eve splash art change?
It was supposed to be with the stealth rework back in 2012, but... It's 2016, and not a word on her. Last time she was talked about (visually) was in 2014.
Meddler (NA)
: Her theme (stealthy assassin) and gameplay (tanky diver generally) don't match up well. That disconnect leaves her feeling somewhat unsatisfying. She's fairly difficult to play well, but performs really effectively in the right circumstances, so isn't weak. That means that even though she often won't feel great to play as we can't simply add power to her until she reaches the right level of satisfaction. Long term I'd love to see her get a full rework (maybe next year?). Shorter term we'll want to look at ways to get achievable improvements to her whenever we look at assassins.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=RPhsJbtZ,comment-id=001b0000,timestamp=2016-04-06T20:23:48.748+0000) > > Her theme (stealthy assassin) and gameplay (tanky diver generally) don't match up well. That disconnect leaves her feeling somewhat unsatisfying. She's fairly difficult to play well, but performs really effectively in the right circumstances, so isn't weak. That means that even though she often won't feel great to play as we can't simply add power to her until she reaches the right level of satisfaction. _**Long term I'd love to see her get a full rework (maybe next year?)**_. Shorter term we'll want to look at ways to get achievable improvements to her whenever we look at assassins. I'm extremely disappointed in this statement. I have been maining Eve since I started playing back in S1. I painfully awaited the stealth rework back in 2012 hoping it would fix her. That didn't work, she saw pro play and solo queue play and you guys instantly nerfed her. On top of that, you removed the items that made her REALLY toxic, but gave her NO recompense for that. You removed DFG, you changed/REMOVED Spirit of the Elder Lizard, you nerfed her itemization by making her E physical damage. You changed her ultimate's range, cooldown by a significant amount, damage by an even more significant amount, and no recompense. You promoted tanky builds for her with decent base damages, (even though she's an assassin), but when that got out of hand you gutted her base damages. You nerfed her Q's missle speed because she was oppressing, but then you removed the part of her kit that let her land her Q's which was her W passive and changed it into a cooldown reducing mechanic even though it already refreshes on kill/assist. It doesn't end there though. This season you removed runeglaive which was core on her, then you introduce runic echos, and you nerf it because other champs were abusing it. Eve needed that extra movement speed, her base movement speed is not the best and she has no instant gap closing abilities. Outside of her ult she has no CC, so if you don't have red and you're not fast enough, you will not do anything but probably get a Hate Spike in there. Every season Evelynn sees a moment of light and is instantly thrown back to the bottom of the bucket. Remember Eve Tier? It still exists, just not as bad. I'm also just disappointed that while we were promised a Visual Upgrade for both Twich and Evelynn back in 2012 with the stealth rework, once again, Evelynn gets the short end of the stick and it stuck with nothing.
: So... How's that Visual Update goin?
It's been about 2 years since they've even touched the subject and they still haven't figured out what she is.. Sad because she was supposed to get her VU with Twitch when they were reworked in 2012. It's 2016, and nothing.
: Why is this even allowed?
Yeah, well it's ridiculous when a champ gets 2 unneeded icon updates, yet Eve... Just like Draven gets a skin last patch (Beast Hunter Draven Feb.4,2016) and he has another skin on the PBE as we speak.
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