: Playing as and ADC has been the most frustrating, infuriating role forever.
It's even more frustrating because ADCs are MEANT to snowball, so if you fall behind, it's even harder to catch up. Even worse if you're playing someone without any CC, like most ADCs.
: Marksmen really deserve more disengage, even if it's at the cost of their damage.
But according to the boards, ADCs are not supposed to deal damage to tanks, not supposed to have any burst, not supposed to have CC, not supposed to be able to duel, not supposed to escape, not supposed to build items that have useful abilities because they have range, not supposed to have sustain, not supposed to go to any lane other than bot, Are supposed to just adapt or pick someone else when other classes start ruling bot, and so on. The Boards are generally hiveminded against ADCs. If they do anything or start doing well, there's an immediate cry for nerfs. Every time. Unless it's Jhin 4 the memes
Mogarl (NA)
: Actually he's currently a cursed marionette that likes to stab people in the butt. That is his single line of current lore found in loading screen tips.
Whatever they make him when they rework him (Because Arceus knows he needs it), be it a puppet, a guy, an entity, a demon, etc, they need to keep the butt stabbing.
: I'll try to point this out one more time, I'm not against cc, I'm against TRYING TO MAKE THE GAME REVOLVE AROUND IT TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL ELSE by spamming it. I like seeing varied teamcomps that try other things too, but as it stands you either spam cc, get lucky and insta-delete cc users before they can react by using an assassin/burst-oriented kit, or you die for being in range to use your abilities most of the time with no real recourse to take against it. Apologies if there was a misinterpretation somewhere, I'd figured I was clear enough to get the idea across, but evidently I need to work on that. League is more fun IMO when you see more than "the regulars" on the rift. We've always seen certain preferences in champ select, don't get me wrong, but it's getting downright obnoxious lately. A good example I can think of is; when was the last time you saw a team with like 1 or 2 cc abilities total do well against a team that revolved around firing hard cc as much as possible? In my case, I haven't seen it happen once this entire season. Maybe I'm an outlier and just have bad luck, maybe not, that's why I started this discussion to get feedback from the community.
Of course the team with more CC is going to have an easier time winning than a team that is pure DPS. Have you ever wondered why the common answer to Yi is "Just CC him?" It's because Stopping them effectively neuters their DPS. You can't attack while CCed. You can't cast spells while CCed. You frequently can't even walk while CCed. CC is one of the two answers to damage; the other being higher damage.
Lemexis (EUW)
: Former toxic players who successfully reformed, how did you do it ?
: AS EXPRESSLY STATED IN THE TITLE, these are observations, and I'm honestly concerned where they seem to be leading, please refrain from trying to start a fight here by accusing people of "complaining" (or whining/whatever else folks use to start crap on these boards). If you disagree with the observation, that's fine, but trying to devalue other's opinions for not matching your own is petty at best and I'd really appreciate not seeing it here.
What you "Observed" is someone getting CCed and dying. Like they should. Even tanks. People aren't supposed to be invincible save for a few abilities/items. Sounds stupid, but this needs to be said: "If you hit them, they will die." It's part of the game.
: Some Concerning Observations About Gameplay
So, someone gets chain CCed, and dies for it? That's what you're complaining about this time? That's what SHOULD happen. If the enemy team is devoting those resources to killing the target, they should be dead. Don't care if you downvote, but if you eat their CC and the damage followup, it only stands to reason that your life should hit 0.
Gufa (NA)
: Stupid that they did this. I agree Yas and Akali DO NOT need another skin. She JUST GOT Project and Yas JUST GOT Battle Boss. Riot wtf are doing. Can you please give some other champs some love. I guess we can all be prepared to get Victorious Yasuo or Victorious Akali this year. Keep funneling these dumbass champions. Perma banned in my games from now on just because of this. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
They aren't going to get Victorious skins because you can't buy those. THOSE are the skins they can make for unpopular champs who are only played due to meta. Those like Maokai.
: Bard Wants A Skin
Didn't both Kindred and Ekko come out right after him? Kindred is waiting on her 4th.
: That's a common trope in the horror genre, usually unfathomably evil beings having deceptive names. Chucky, Jason, Pennywise the dancing clown, Freddy, Michael, Pinhead, Norman Bates. Be it human or inhuman, those threats rarely get names like "super mega death monster" because of the chilling contrast between their binary personas.
With Freddy, Jason, Michael, and Norman, they were all People at some point. Sure, they may have been evil people, but they were somewhat 'human' killers. Fiddlesticks is supposedly some kind of eldritch or Lovecraftian horror, whose most famous monster was C'thulu. Imagine if that, the penultimate horror, destroyer of worlds, was named something like Dinkleberg. Would you be able to take it seriously?
Sukishoo (NA)
: True Damage skins T-Shirt leaked.
Looks like Akali and Yasuo are joining the minimum 1 skin per year club, alongside Ahri, Ezreal, Lux, Miss Fortune, and Annie. Meanwhile, Taliyah and Kindred cry in the corner alongside Xerath and Vel'koz who have come to terms with it.
Nithke (EUW)
: perfect definition
He's one of the earlier champions, back when Riot made literally any trope they could into a champion. Hence why there was a random Spartan Warrior, an armored bear, a scarecrow, a Darth Vader ripoff, and a murderous clown.
: I'd like the clear some things up regarding Senna and Thresh's lore.
No, Thresh has physically tortured people before, he just wasn't the demon at the time. When he was a monk, they had a prisoner he watched over who could heal from any wound. Thresh ripped him apart repeatedly
: Fiddlesticks point-and-click fear is good and deserves to stay, here's why:
I think they should have made it like Cass's Ult, where it's a cone that can affect multiple people, but it can also be dodged.
: > formless chaos of existence, the absence of sanity and logic, the concentrated discord of creation isn't that pretty much shaco?
At the moment, Shaco is just a guy who dresses as a clown and likes to stab people in the butt. He has no lore.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: What if Fiddlesticks is the "darkness" that Swain has foreseen?
See, here's the thing: With a name like Fiddlesticks, which sounds like just something characters use in kid's cartoons because they can't curse, I can't take this character seriously.
Mythrandill (EUNE)
: The art from Legends of Runeterra is amazing
Now if only I could actually play the game. I love the LOL universe, I just don't like the Moba any more.
: Honestly every 'gimmick' for the past couple releases have all been balance nightmares or balance failures. Kalista - Hopping = hard to balance Yuumi - Attachment gimmick = hard to balance Kayn - Transformation = hard to balance (at least initially) Pyke - Hypercarry assassin support??? = hard to balance Sylas - Ult stealing = hard to balance Ivern - Support jungler = hard to balance Yuumi again - Attachment gimmick again = my god Riot Like I get it, I do like Riot taking risks and trying out new stuff, but in all of these gimmicks, every time there's a broken aspect of it that needs fixing, instead of fixing it, they try to force buffing/nerfing it to be viable (or at least just barely viable)
Ivern didn't seem that hard to balance. People really just didn't find him fun and he just came out at a time where enchanter support items were insane.
Rioter Comments
: "ugh another useless drake"
What would you prefer, more Kanye?
: What ships don't make any sense lore-wise?
{{champion:222}} x {{champion:161}} Vel'koz has recently been engrossed with anal... https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1009219-league-of-legends
: Happy Birthday Kindred!!
Happy birthday to one of League's best girls and her little dog too.
: Make Klepto half as effective for ranged champs.
So... make it bad on the champions who are made to use it?
: when yuumi support does more damage than the other 4 on your team TOGETHER
Support actually can get a lot of gold now with things like Klepto and FrostFang. And since she can focus on poking instead of farming like other allies or protecting like other supports, she can just keep applying damage. Hell, she doesn't even have to focus on surviving because her ADC is likely to not take too many risks or die while she's attached. It's a similar thing to Zyra in soloq where she just keeps attacking.
: Please Bring Back Old Aatrox
Go play Xin Zhao. He's the same thing as old Aatrox with just as little of a personality.
WardMyBüsh (EUNE)
: league of legends New Bewitching Skins Blitzcrank, Kassadin and Miss For...
So... they gave Blitzcrank a pretty significant buff last patch. Coincidence?
: Which AP Assassin scales best into late game?
Best are probably Kassadin, Kat, and Fizz. Ahri has terrible scaling and mostly becomes a charm bot past mid-game. Hence why people are going Glacial builds so she can make it easier to hit charm.
Nhivia (NA)
: Anivia's wall should be toggle(able)
Toggle isn't the right word. A Toggle is something that changed and stay changed until toggled again. Something like Jayce or Nidalee switching forms or Urgot's W. Can be held indefinitely until the button is pressed to reactivate. What you mean is that you should be able to Cancel the wall, which is what Taliyah has. It doesn't last indefinitely and it can't be cast all the time like a toggle. It can be cancelled, which completely destroys it and puts it on CD. I don't know if Anivia's should be able to be cancelled because of how much more often it's up than Taliyah's and how NOT screwing it up is a skill check for the Anivia player.
Bonnìe (NA)
: Kindred Should Have Regional Runeterran Skins
"Kindred should have skins" Fixed the title for you.
Rioter Comments
: Would be nice to see the older Hextech Skins get updated to today's Quality Standards
They aren't forcing you to gamble on getting those older skins with extremely unfavorable odd, so not going to happen.
: What skin lines would fit your main amazingly that you know Riot won't do?
I know they make skins for {{champion:103}} every year, but all I want is Pool Party. That is the one skin her players have been asking for forever. Yes, they'll buy all the other skins, but no one is really asking for them.
: They'll add all of the skin sellers for "reasons". Yasuo Riven Kai'Sa Miss Fortune Jinx You get the idea. Then they'll add a few who are okay at selling skins and reasonably included in fighting games. And the 5 I listed are pretty automatic inclusions. There's precedents for each character's "fighting style" in the Marvel vs Capcom series alone. Heck, Riot would probably copy a few of the super moves from that series just to put them on their characters (like Morrigan's missile bombardment hyper move being put on Kai'Sa).
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=39IEwdZG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-30T03:25:08.539+0000) > > They'll add all of the skin sellers for "reasons". > > Yasuo > Riven > Kai'Sa > Miss Fortune > Jinx > > You get the idea. > > Then they'll add a few who are okay at selling skins and reasonably included in fighting games. > > And the 5 I listed are pretty automatic inclusions. There's precedents for each character's "fighting style" in the Marvel vs Capcom series alone. Heck, Riot would probably copy a few of the super moves from that series just to put them on their characters (like Morrigan's missile bombardment hyper move being put on Kai'Sa). Lee Sin, Ezreal, and I'll be completely biased, Ahri all seem like top level candidates to be added as well.
Rioter Comments
: How do you built pure tank and still die in 2seconds
Because you likely got caught out by multiple people.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ionian Vulpix,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PTEAARzE,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-27T05:12:40.420+0000) > > If it's League characters, which I really hope it is, Ahri will almost certainly be in. So is she going to be spamming hadokens or something?
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PTEAARzE,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-09-27T05:27:39.778+0000) > > So is she going to be spamming hadokens or something? Her ultimate is already a wavedash.
: Better have a foxgirl in it or I'm not buying, I have priorities
> [{quoted}](name=Jeanne fan club,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PTEAARzE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-27T02:47:18.571+0000) > > Better have a foxgirl in it or I'm not buying, I have priorities If it's League characters, which I really hope it is, Ahri will almost certainly be in.
: Is Nunu and Willump truly a braindead champion?
Y'know, if he's getting salty about that and since you Nunu, you may as well go full asshole and just say GGEZ. I've done it to someone before, though he was complaining I was camping in Smash. As Isabelle. A projectile based character against a Lucina. Enjoy it.
: Is there anything that The Watchers could be afraid of?
Rioter Comments
: Kaisa is not an ADC, Pyke is not a support, and Jax is not a fighter
: Uh, can you like, not do this Riot?
A) Worlds is coming up B) New Skin + Prestige C) Excuse as to why they're buffing While this evidence is circumstantial and there's nothing definitive, here's my theory: They made an excuse to buff her, saying she was overnerfed. But in actuality, they want her in Pro Play because Worlds is right around the corner (Don't they usually play Worlds on a 9.18-9.20 patch?) When people see her picked, they'll try to play her, and she'll have a brand new and expensive skin coming alongside that. Again, this is all circumstantial.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ionian Vulpix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HV7k3mhy,comment-id=000a00000001,timestamp=2019-09-06T12:46:32.300+0000) > > Good. In truth, no champion should be able to 100-0 in an instant just for hitting level 6 unless they're stupidly fed already. > > Her burst may not compensate for her other flaws right now, which is why they're buffing her by giving her some movespeed. She probably needs more and is definitely a champion due for a rework, being one of the original 40, but they're trying to make her usable If her only kill window is when she lands a flash ult, it needs to be a 100% kill. For the entirety of flash's cooldown, Annie has zero kill pressure, is getting poked out or killed out of lane, and slowly losing turret as she has garbage waveclear and is shoved into turret 24/7 while slowly dying to poke. And against assassins who she is supposed to counter being a short range CC burst mage? Gets outbursted, out wave cleared, and outsustained. So, really, what's the purpose of the champion if the few windows where she can do something, she does it worse than other champs? If I get Zed ulted away from turret, I know I'm dying. If I eat a syndra stun and get ulted, I know I am 100-0. If I eat an Ahri charm by lv6, I know I am dead. So why should Annie be any exception despite the fact that she's far more easily countered than any of these champs and the bar right under her HP tells opponents exactly when she can engage or not? (and if she holds that 4th stack, it means she can only do a pitiful damage autoattack to CS minions and will be shoved under turret in no time, which lets the enemy midlaner to freely roam and invade the enemy jungler or gank sidelanes 24/7). I understand if Annie is not supposed to be a good 1v1 champ, just like Talon. But then, her wavecelar needs to be just as strong as Talon's s she can make roams with her CC assist. And even then there would be little purpose as any opponent can follow you into river and kill you in one rotation. The champion needs purpose, and the fact that ADC's whine because they got flash ulted can't hold the champ back because the fact is plenty of champions can delete ADC's without even needing flash.
I'm pretty sure this is just supposed to be a band-aid. It'll make her a little better, but it won't fix her core issues. She's one of the OG 40 champs and her extremely simple kit reflects that. She definitely requires a rework/modernization.
Moody P (NA)
: I can have fun doing both. Mordekaiser isn't fun, so I want Riot to make him fun.
If you don't find him fun, don't play as him? I didn't find most melee champs fun to play, but I didn't demand Riot change them specifically so I enjoyed them. Similarly, I didn't enjoy every mage or assassin despite maining Ahri, so I didn't play them, not ask Riot to change them.
: ATTENTION JINX IS BROKEN REALLY BROKEN
Been saying she's been busted ever since they made her rockets crit.
Moody P (NA)
: It's frustrating how little room Mordekaiser gives to improve on him
Do you actually have fun playing as juggernauts or do you just have fun complaining about them?
Rodsquad (EUW)
: What Ezreal Tier reworks do you want?
{{champion:103}} Admittedly biased, but I just want her tails to come from a single place on her back. Her lore itself is fine, but her voice lines are still from when she was just a soul-sucking thot. And she could use a new W; other spells, even her passive, are fine.
Riftn00b (EUNE)
: I fail to see what trade-offs Jax has now
Zeanix (OCE)
: Legendary skins should be focused on older champions, rather than new ones
Maybe they don't want to do skins for older champs because they either aren't as popular as new champs or they are planning to put in larger scale work on them at a later time, and thus don't want to have to redo multiple models and champion rigs.
: Why are manaless champs still a thing after so many seasons of league
Yasuo having an actual reason to build IBG is a terrifying concept.
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