Sirsir (NA)
: Best way to fix Kaleidostone
First step is to remove it and bring back klepto.
: Upcoming changes for 9.24
Ranged nerfs for conquerer, rip ezreal again lol. Still in the sub 46% win rate.
: Possible Ezreal buffs/ QOL changes? [Ideas/Concepts
Trust me you do not want 0 cast time ezreal lol. Instant E instant Q near instant R My god lol. A few nerf reverts and ezreal will be fine, give back his ap ratio on Q and remove the silly nerf to his lvl 1 E and he will be good again. The E nerf is what is killing him the most.
MoePhat (NA)
: Why is Riot not doing anything about the blatant cheaters in this game?
i actually dont see scripters that often anymore. There used to be a ton youd get smoked and look the person up with their only champs being ryze/jinx/tf/cassiopea they would normally have insane win rates an their kda would be though the roof.
BaseXP (EUNE)
: Riot going crazy please fix this
Most the time its a premade with that player either helping their friend lvl or a friend lvl a new smurf to ruin lower bracket of solo Q. This is common as i was making another account for myself and the lvling felt like i just played people my elo, there are very few times i just rolled over my laner and carried the game 1 vs 5, most games i fed and got outplayed often. being diamond player in the low 20s bracket, so it seems like riot does look at how well you do early an place you accordingly. i think even in normals lvling i only managed to keep about a 50% win rate overall.
floo (EUW)
: Good changes! Hope they'll follow up on the ocean dragon soul as well.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqEEx1rX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-26T14:15:44.012+0000) > > Good changes! > > Hope they'll follow up on the ocean dragon soul as well. All the souls are game-breakingly bad. The earth soul is basically a never ending barrier that also refreshes and scales with ap and ad. The infernal soul is basically every 3rd hit you take extra damage and its large chunk and it also procs off minions/dots, seen a zyra plant solo people during her ult. The cloud soul is spear of shojin but for every champion active always and a massive move speed boost. The ocean soul is basically warmogs that is always active long as you are in combat or doing damage to stuff. The souls are all busted to shit and the team with 4 dragons will almost always win.
: > [{quoted}](name=Its All Skillzz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cEP9Xv9a,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-26T13:03:03.731+0000) > > Yea the enemy cant defend their base if they all get 1 shot, pretty sure and ap ezreal with elder dragon could delete 3 people on the enemy team with his ult from his fountain. or karthus just R an nuked everyone on your team besides the tank causing em to be executed lol. xerath on an infernal map with liyandry good luck not getting hit by anything as any skillshot will 1 shot you
> [{quoted}](name=Thingamajig,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cEP9Xv9a,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-26T13:07:44.578+0000) > > xerath on an infernal map with liyandry > good luck not getting hit by anything as any skillshot will 1 shot you ya i lost a game in normals to a xerath support with elder hitting out 26-2 twitch with a Q R from off screen.
: it's finally the win game objective to take
> [{quoted}](name=Thingamajig,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cEP9Xv9a,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-26T12:42:06.218+0000) > > it's finally the win game objective to take Yea the enemy cant defend their base if they all get 1 shot, pretty sure and ap ezreal with elder dragon could delete 3 people on the enemy team with his ult from his fountain. or karthus just R an nuked everyone on your team besides the tank causing em to be executed lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqEEx1rX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-26T10:49:18.616+0000) > > even if it were the case (didn't witness that in game), the point of turret plating is to snowball, by doing this riot is essentially telling us "we want less snowballing, longer game, slower pace games" > > which I don't mind, but it's weird to have a **HOTFIX** for that when we played the entire season 9 like that. So i guess turret platings were broken for whole S9 lol
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqEEx1rX,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-26T12:35:45.817+0000) > > So i guess turret platings were broken for whole S9 lol only thing i liked about them is it detered roaming, leaving your lane and not getting a kill bot as a mid pretty much means you wasted your time and if the enemy laner pushed it in an got 3 plates then they came out ahead, ive even seen people die, including myself to get the last plate + first tower gold.
: Should sanguine blade be melee only?
Biggest abusers of it are melee so no, it should be straight up deleted.
: Oh no, you now don't get free gold value and progress towards damage items from literally poking! What ever shall you do now that your champion is now required to actually take a risk to gain a lead!
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oZ3IEh2e,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-25T18:23:56.283+0000) > > Oh no, you now don't get free gold value and progress towards damage items from literally poking! > > What ever shall you do now that your champion is now required to actually take a risk to gain a lead! you are dumb, ez took a risk to get klepto procs off he would Q then AA to get both procs, giving you a chance to retaliate on him, now he has no reason to interact with you unless he can kill you or has a jungle gank coming, ezreal will play even safer now and when behind be useless because his kit has no damage anymore.
Weexazys (NA)
: Can we please talk about senna.
Shes broken to shit an is going to reach kassadin lvl of ban rate.
Antenora (EUW)
: Ezreal and Kennen players actually have to play the game and learn to CS now if they want gold.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oZ3IEh2e,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-25T16:24:24.993+0000) > > Ezreal and Kennen players actually have to play the game and learn to CS now if they want gold. you can have perfect cs over your laner and still be weaker than them, because ezreal kit was hit so many times to its numbers due to klepto allowing you get your items quicker. Ezreal before klepto was low win rate and weak champion overall, picked only for safety but if he got to pop off then we did so which is deserved of a carry. Ezreal with klepto was overpowered, because he could get extra gold/pots/wards also the bonuses of random elixers and the skill point item aswell made him a lvl stronger if he got lucky. He got nerfs on every single ability/cooldown due to this and put him back into pre klepto win rates, now ezreal without klepto is insanely weak easy abusable out of lane and has pretty much no way to scale once behind.
: Remove or nerf Rengar
This is true for all assasins, shit like eve/rengar/talon pretty much anyone who can come out of nowhere and 1 shot you in the blink of an eye is anti-fun and cancer to play vs.
: Ok... so you lost because you have no objective control? Maybe actually get the objectives instead of letting the 0-6 jungler get all the dragons from under your nose?
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pTjA7YTp,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-25T02:51:15.845+0000) > > Ok... so you lost because you have no objective control? Maybe actually get the objectives instead of letting the 0-6 jungler get all the dragons from under your nose? i mean we dominated every lane we was pushed down mid inhib the shyvanna got the earth dragon to get the earth soul and after that we got aced every single time due to the ridic shield they had ontop of ka'sai ult shield and barrier xerath and then they got elder dragon and we just couldnt compete anymore. all because we focused on towers and kills we lost the game because the focused on dragons only. do you not see how stupid that is? the game is about killing the nexus not the fking dragons. dragon needs to go back to being gold only so it atleast falls off an doesnt scale infinitely.
Rioter Comments
: League is ultimately a game of cowards
Everytime i comitt to fighting my laner i get ganked by jungler.
: > [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=tbXutytq,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-22T17:44:50.505+0000) > > Klepto users look to be down meaningfully in power as expected. We'll be putting some power back into some of their kits as a result, starting with a hotfix (probably out already by the time you read this) to Ezreal who's been the most affected. **_Hotfixed 11/21/19_** {{champion:81}} - Base HP: ~~491~~ -> 500 - Base Mana: ~~360.6~~ -> 375 - Base Mana Regen:~~ 8.092 per 5 seconds~~ -> 8.5 per 5 Seconds - [Q: Mystic Shot] Base Damage: ~~15/40/65/90/115~~ -> 20/45/70/95/120 ------------------------ If they were willing to give Ezreal a hotfix buff just to help him with Kleptomancy's removal, I'm sure they'll keep an eye on him throughout preseason. I also tried out Conqueror Ezreal & it feels like a nice fit for him too.
> [{quoted}](name=Agent Corgi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zkxZQOJu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-24T19:18:04.453+0000) > > **_Hotfixed 11/21/19_** > > {{champion:81}} > > - Base HP: ~~491~~ -> 500 > - Base Mana: ~~360.6~~ -> 375 > - Base Mana Regen:~~ 8.092 per 5 seconds~~ -> 8.5 per 5 Seconds > - [Q: Mystic Shot] Base Damage: ~~15/40/65/90/115~~ -> 20/45/70/95/120 > ------------------------ > If they were willing to give Ezreal a hotfix buff just to help him with Kleptomancy's removal, I'm sure they'll keep an eye on him throughout preseason. I also tried out Conqueror Ezreal & it feels like a nice fit for him too. Those buffs do absolutely nothing for him. and he is still 44% win rate. unless his items change or he gets buffs to his actual kit then he will remain trash tier compared to crit adcs.
Rioter Comments
Xavanic (NA)
: can i have aurelion back?
only if i can have old Ezreal W back with all the base damage and cooldown and ratio nerfed removed.
xelaker (NA)
: It's almost like you can't design a champ with good scaling, damage, wave clear, hard cc, range, a good ult, and first items that are cheaper than everyone else's, but still let you outscale them in lane without him being a balancing nightmare.
> [{quoted}](name=xelaker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WYizuXJt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-24T17:13:51.984+0000) > > It's almost like you can't design a champ with good scaling, damage, wave clear, hard cc, range, a good ult, and first items that are cheaper than everyone else's, but still let you outscale them in lane without him being a balancing nightmare. yea he has everything with no trade off besides not having a dash or blink. has amazing wave clear poke, hard point an click cc a shield and his ult is game breaking in cordinated play. also with just a tear he can outtrade pretty much any champion.
: ok but with the presence of mind/mana flow band . you can by ad earlier like maybe idk a bf sword yourself cuz now you dont have to stack mana or go mana early. and that bf sword gives you trade power and a kill threat
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=00000000000100010000,timestamp=2019-11-24T14:47:22.184+0000) > > ok but with the presence of mind/mana flow band . you can by ad earlier like maybe idk a bf sword yourself > > cuz now you dont have to stack mana or go mana early. and that bf sword gives you trade power and a kill threat problem is bf sword on ezreal builds into nothing of value later on other than ga, but ezreal kit doesnt go ga untill th very last item. your better off with a sheen + tear if you can back on 1900g. he is in a very poor spot on his laning now as with klepto you could back early get a tear or a sheen and also got wards/pots to keep yourself safe. the counterplay to that was just avoid his skillshots and punish him if he AA you after using Q. now you can eat his skillshots he wastes mana and gets nothing out of it since you can just lifesteal it back up or even all in him or poke him back an he doesnt have life steal so you win the trade an the lane.
: I cant make ezreal work =[
Also i just wanna see some of his nerfs removed. Q ap ratio an base damage rebuffed to pre nerfed values. E cooldown nerf reverted R Reduced minion damage removed and cooldown slightly reduced maybe instead of 120 sec it can be 100 seconds. W cooldown reduced to 7 seconds instead of 9, it used to be 7 seconds pre rework new one is terrible to play around. Just put power back into his kit as a champion, he shouldnt be a walking caster minion with a low cd flash that does him no good if he the enemy can just chase him down because he does no damage an is not a threat at all to them. id say caitlyn net is better than ezreal E atleast it slows people chasing her an allows her to proc headshot to nuke them with big damage. ezreal will just E away from you an you will just run him down while side steping Q and the time he takes to cast spells like Q or E or W you can just run him down even faster.
: I dont like to see any champs unbalanced but I cant say enough how Im glad to see Ez go bye bye. For the first time in the last 5 years he isn't one of the 5 strongest champs in the meta in bot lane. While I cant count how many others are unplayable bot right now and haven't been viable in a long time
> [{quoted}](name=Zonetoxic002,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-24T04:21:15.530+0000) > > I dont like to see any champs unbalanced but I cant say enough how Im glad to see Ez go bye bye. For the first time in the last 5 years he isn't one of the 5 strongest champs in the meta in bot lane. While I cant count how many others are unplayable bot right now and haven't been viable in a long time ezreal has not been a strong champion for the last 5 years are you high? before runes reworked and klepto he was still rocking sub 45% win rate and wasnt picked at all maybe in korea were he is popular, ezreal has not been strong bot or mid in the last 5 years untill they fucked up with runeglaive and then messed up with klepto and allowed adaptive damage in the game an transendce giving ezreal his double tear build. even though i ran that build way before it became popular and before runes reforged.
: Well, Ezreal used to have a free lane where you'd get free gold while being ultra safe and quickly getting to items. You're back to the same level of other ADC. You now have to farm and play early properly instead of depending on a gimmicky free-gold rune. Sorry, I'm partly serious part teasing you. Dark Harvest scales really well on him. Your poke late game becomes really powerful and your ultimate is great in a variety of situations. That's the one I'd go towards probably.
> [{quoted}](name=Yordletana,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-24T03:50:54.591+0000) > > Well, Ezreal used to have a free lane where you'd get free gold while being ultra safe and quickly getting to items. You're back to the same level of other ADC. You now have to farm and play early properly instead of depending on a gimmicky free-gold rune. > > Sorry, I'm partly serious part teasing you. Dark Harvest scales really well on him. Your poke late game becomes really powerful and your ultimate is great in a variety of situations. That's the one I'd go towards probably. Again this is not about what runes are good on ezreal, the issue is his kit has been nerfed into trash tier due to klepto helping him though the laning, so now he has no way to get though the lane an get items since he has no wave clear and can be harassed out of lane + force E on ganks or engages costs a ton of mana early and he will never get to be a champion due to just being to weak. similar to old rework kayle who didnt get ranged untill lvl 11.
: to me he never had damage in lane. coming to lane with a {{item:3070}} going with this set up gives him the mana for free he would be spending to get {{item:3070}} which could allow him to go with earlier damage items allowing him to fight back more in laning phase and possibly get a kill to snow ball
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-24T01:46:51.941+0000) > > to me he never had damage in lane. > > coming to lane with a {{item:3070}} > > going with this set up gives him the mana for free he would be spending to get {{item:3070}} which could allow him to go with earlier damage items allowing him to fight back more in laning phase and possibly get a kill to snow ball even if you come back to lane with a sheen you will still be bullied out of the lane by most the roster even if they come back with a few doran blades. new pres of mind is great but its not going to help you get though ezreals horrible laning phase and lack of sustain, klepto did more than give you gold, it gave you pots and random wards and also the ability lvl up item that helped you be 1 lvl ahead in abilities even if you was still lvl 6, without these things ontop of free boots and biscuits ezreal just cant lane he is way to weak. his kit used to hold its on before klepto but hes eaten so many nerfs due to klepto and his double tear build that hes basically not even a champion anymore.
: > [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-24T01:38:43.073+0000) > > why not presence of mind and manaflow band ? > > you can increase over all mana by 500 with presence with take downs and it restores mana > > then with mana flow band you increase mana by 250 and restore 1% of missing mana every 5 secs > > those two runes will give you 750 mana the same as a tear The issue is how lacking Ezreal is now. Everything he does is just mediocre now. Safety is okay I guess. But even that’s falling behind. Damage is horrendous now
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-24T01:43:06.620+0000) > > The issue is how lacking Ezreal is now. > Everything he does is just mediocre now. > Safety is okay I guess. But even that’s falling behind. > Damage is horrendous now Thats his issue, he has so little left in his actual kit due to klepto gold scaling that he is just not a threat, you can zone him off cs dive him it doesnt matter how safe you are any decent player can an will kill you as ezreal because you are so squishy and do almost no damage early.
: why not presence of mind and manaflow band ? you can increase over all mana by 500 with presence with take downs and it restores mana then with mana flow band you increase mana by 250 and restore 1% of missing mana every 5 secs those two runes will give you 750 mana the same as a tear
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tabMi44E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-24T01:38:43.073+0000) > > why not presence of mind and manaflow band ? > > you can increase over all mana by 500 with presence with take downs and it restores mana > > then with mana flow band you increase mana by 250 and restore 1% of missing mana every 5 secs > > those two runes will give you 750 mana the same as a tear pres is after 5 take downs/assists, tear isnt about the mana its about the huge damage you get from muramana and when its completed pretty much your entire kit + item on use like botrk/gunblade proc the damage part of it. i mean you could maybe go triforce with lethality or crit, but those items cost so much that you will not get enough gold to make it happen. in a perfect world were your left alone in lane allowed to farm and never worrry about agression or jungle ganks then yea you might do well. but 9/10 you going to get shoved in and any chance you get to make a play will be met with a swift jungle gank. every game ive played pre 30 on my other account that gonna be ez 1 trick has been like this, the enemy quinn legit came lane lvls 3-4 and proced electrocute on me made me waste mana on E and i got zoned off cs by my laner untill i was 30-40 behind an then poked out of the lane.
Rioter Comments
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T20:33:19.923+0000) > > Which is fine. Klepto's removal removed Ezreal's free itemization gimmick. His winrate is low also because people think they HAVE to go Omnistone or some other trash rune on Ez when Conq dead ass is the best rune he could ever wish for. Last I checked lads Riot still hasn't learned that having 2 stacks on spellcast as ranged just lets you easily bypass the one stack per auto. Just ask Ryze and Cassio. > > If Ez ever gets to 50% winrate, it means Riot has fucked up somewhere. Given riot stated that by statistics omni was very close to being his best rune, and they plan on buffing it....
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-23T20:12:09.260+0000) > > Given riot stated that by statistics omni was very close to being his best rune, and they plan on buffing it.... omni is terrible on anyone and whoever reworked klepto into that should be fired.
: Wait so he got buffs mid patch and his WR went down? It's almost like wr% is a meaningless stat that doesn't have any relevance to champ strength. Only 14% pick rate. Wow champ must be really weak. Kappa
> [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-11-23T19:35:34.443+0000) > > Wait so he got buffs mid patch and his WR went down? It's almost like wr% is a meaningless stat that doesn't have any relevance to champ strength. > > Only 14% pick rate. Wow champ must be really weak. Kappa people will pick a champion despite it being weak just because its fun or you like it. atm i find even myself who has over 10 accounts being 1 trick ezreal accounts not even bothering to play him anymore because while he is fun, being stomped all over by way worst players on stronger champs is def not that enjoyable.
: The buffs looks sort of "eh" to me, nothing but stat buffs & +5 damage to his Q. But not to worry, I'm pretty sure helpless Ezreal mains would look for something else to abuse & caused it to get reworked/removed again.
> [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=b4hPo8ZZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-23T13:14:12.393+0000) > > The buffs looks sort of "eh" to me, nothing but stat buffs & +5 damage to his Q. > > But not to worry, I'm pretty sure helpless Ezreal mains would look for something else to abuse & caused it to get reworked/removed again. buff did nothing and ezreal is still below kallista in win rate.
: Ezreal -the new kalista
hes lower win rate than kalista, and conqurer isnt that bad on him just his kit is to weak. all the nerfs ruined his kit thanks to klepto so he pretty much cant beat anyone in lane.
: Just Nerf Elder Execute to 5% and I'm sure people will stop complaining
I mean execute is stupid,champs who jump in on low hp an come back from certain death can easily turn a fight around. but i mean im only doing pre 30 normals atm on my other account and ive yet to see a elder dragon lol.
: Or it allows good ez players to avoid being killed by assassins, and becoming hard to catch.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T23:14:39.975+0000) > > Or it allows good ez players to avoid being killed by assassins, and becoming hard to catch. who cares when he does no damage with it compared to your crit adc, maybe instead of chasing ezreal you just kill his team who do way more damage than him and protect your crit adc.
: > [{quoted}](name=Its All Skillzz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-11-22T22:59:57.391+0000) > > he doesnt keep tank items weak rofl they are weak because even with them the damage is to high, he wasnt only one abusing that runeglaive a lot of champs were broken with it. Riot intentionally keeps on-hit items very weak because of Ezreal. He needs changes.
> [{quoted}](name=Boomerangbro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T23:02:10.012+0000) > > Riot intentionally keeps on-hit items very weak because of Ezreal. He needs changes. Ezreal cant abuse on hit items, all of them are bad on him and they are kept weak because of sht like kogmaw/varus/yi/kayle 1 vs 5 carring the game, ezreal Q is least of your worry when on-hit is concerned.
: Sure, in return IBG is changed to Melee only.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T22:32:15.787+0000) > > Sure, in return IBG is changed to Melee only. no1 cares about that item, any decent high elo players build triforce instead. that item is a noob trap and its for bad ezreal to play safe and do no damage.
: Leave him there. {{champion:81}} players cry and cry and cry about how the champion is gutted when it has been over 5 seasons of him either abusing {{item:1402}} jungle items (getting one completely removed), {{item:3025}} abusing tank items, and keeping traditional On-hit items very weak for all champs because of his stupid Q. Not only that, but he can be the best user of Kleptomancy and make ample use of comet and glacial augment. It's time to let him be weak for a hot second. He's ruined so many items for so many people and kept tank items weak. Let him have his low winrate.
> [{quoted}](name=Boomerangbro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-11-22T22:23:20.524+0000) > > Leave him there. {{champion:81}} players cry and cry and cry about how the champion is gutted when it has been over 5 seasons of him either abusing {{item:1402}} jungle items (getting one completely removed), {{item:3025}} abusing tank items, and keeping traditional On-hit items very weak for all champs because of his stupid Q. Not only that, but he can be the best user of Kleptomancy and make ample use of comet and glacial augment. > > It's time to let him be weak for a hot second. He's ruined so many items for so many people and kept tank items weak. Let him have his low winrate. he doesnt keep tank items weak rofl they are weak because even with them the damage is to high, he wasnt only one abusing that runeglaive a lot of champs were broken with it.
: Let him rot for a few more months. Sick and tired of Ezreal.
> [{quoted}](name=SweedishGunner,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-22T21:48:15.591+0000) > > Let him rot for a few more months. Sick and tired of Ezreal. weither he is weak or not he will be picked due to being popular and fun, whats worst now is he will prob lose the game for you and feed the kai'sa/xayah.
: Alright, if he needs buffs then what are they gonna be? I bet ridiculous ones is all im gonna read.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T21:31:01.918+0000) > > Alright, if he needs buffs then what are they gonna be? I bet ridiculous ones is all im gonna read. he needs Nerf reverts that he received due to kelpto causing him to scale way to fast. personally id look at unerfing the lvl 1 E cooldown and returning his ap ratios and base damage to his Q. the reason he is doing so poorly is because they took everything about his kit which is quick cooldowns and solid base damage and gutted it into next year due to kleptomancy. Would also be nice to return his R damage back onto minions so he can actually wave clear and get farm if he is behind.
: Ezreal will never be balanced tbh. He will either always be incredibly strong or be incredibly weak. I think they should keep him in the 'Azir zone' of around a 46-48% win rate global across elos.
> [{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-22T20:33:38.056+0000) > > Ezreal will never be balanced tbh. He will either always be incredibly strong or be incredibly weak. I think they should keep him in the 'Azir zone' of around a 46-48% win rate global across elos. hes never any of that, honestly no1 likes ezreal because of gauntlet build, which pretty much does nothing but slow you and annoy you, its pretty much like teemo. even with gauntlet i dont wanna play vs kai'sa, caitlyn or jinx who built rapidfire cannon an crit and hits me from outside my Q range with point an click ability that takes over 3/4th my hp.
: Which is fine. Klepto's removal removed Ezreal's free itemization gimmick. His winrate is low also because people think they HAVE to go Omnistone or some other trash rune on Ez when Conq dead ass is the best rune he could ever wish for. Last I checked lads Riot still hasn't learned that having 2 stacks on spellcast as ranged just lets you easily bypass the one stack per auto. Just ask Ryze and Cassio. If Ez ever gets to 50% winrate, it means Riot has fucked up somewhere.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T20:33:19.923+0000) > > Which is fine. Klepto's removal removed Ezreal's free itemization gimmick. His winrate is low also because people think they HAVE to go Omnistone or some other trash rune on Ez when Conq dead ass is the best rune he could ever wish for. Last I checked lads Riot still hasn't learned that having 2 stacks on spellcast as ranged just lets you easily bypass the one stack per auto. Just ask Ryze and Cassio. > > If Ez ever gets to 50% winrate, it means Riot has fucked up somewhere. conquer has a 45% win rate think again. no1 is running omnistone.
: riot needs to bring back double tear something they shouldn't have removed
> [{quoted}](name=CasterGilgamesh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-22T19:42:46.405+0000) > > riot needs to bring back double tear something they shouldn't have removed it wont help his situation because in order to use double tear you need to scale with pretty much no damage early. without klepto you cant do that, ezreal win rate is extremely low in games that last 15-20 mins and only average in games that go to 30 mins. nowadays games end before 20 mins in solo Q at gold+ as teams will get a lead an push the enemy into unwinnable games, any longer is just the winning team enjoying their power from being 20-0 and 1 shotting the poor enemies. Ezreal can not scale anymore and his cooldowns and skillshots have been nerfed early to make up for his extra scaling with klepto so now without it he doesnt have any power in his kit and needs items. but no1 is going to let you get those items since you are to weak to fight and going to be bullied/dived/poked/pushed under tower. you got no wave clear and once you behind thats it you are walking 300g.
: Don’t Ezreal always have low winrate anyways? Even in Diamond elo.
> [{quoted}](name=2Charmnot2Charm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-22T18:17:22.705+0000) > > Don’t Ezreal always have low winrate anyways? > > Even in Diamond elo. hes been about 47-49 for awhile highest was 55% which was actually busted before he got massive nerfs and double tear removed, champs around 49-50 are often time balanced. things below 45 are in need of some help. ezreal has now fallen to lowest % of any adc even below kallista.
Antenora (EUW)
: Lolalytics lmao. 44.52% Win Rate according to u.gg
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mRri28uw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-22T17:17:59.931+0000) > > Lolalytics lmao. > > 44.52% > Win Rate > > according to u.gg 44.5% is almost the lowest win rate in the game and the lowest win rate of any adc, he is actually below kallista now.
Rioter Comments
: I got downvoted when people pointed this out months ago for replying to Riot wanting to wait on high level Ezreal players using him. I basically said "Ezreal is honestly a very easy ADC and if you see his winrate tanking its tanking across the board." The Reddit mob got mad because I guess spamming Q and pressing E to ignore cc is really, really hard. I can play this champion just fine and he's one of my highest mastery characters, I'm not exactly high ELO and skillshots get harder to land up there but when you build tear every game and get to fire a Q every few seconds, how hard is it to land these things? They nerfed Ezreal constantly to justify Klepto's existence and now that its gone his damage is pitiful. It's almost as if they should've removed that shit earlier or given him a compensation buff. When this guy's presence in solo q and pro play is constantly in every season I have a hard time believing he's somehow the hardest champion in the game and we have to wait in order to see how changes affect him, he's a spam champion with one of the best safety skills in his E.
> [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AIWxKuji,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-11-22T13:00:00.108+0000) > > I got downvoted when people pointed this out months ago for replying to Riot wanting to wait on high level Ezreal players using him. I basically said "Ezreal is honestly a very easy ADC and if you see his winrate tanking its tanking across the board." > > The Reddit mob got mad because I guess spamming Q and pressing E to ignore cc is really, really hard. I can play this champion just fine and he's one of my highest mastery characters, I'm not exactly high ELO and skillshots get harder to land up there but when you build tear every game and get to fire a Q every few seconds, how hard is it to land these things? > > They nerfed Ezreal constantly to justify Klepto's existence and now that its gone his damage is pitiful. It's almost as if they should've removed that shit earlier or given him a compensation buff. When this guy's presence in solo q and pro play is constantly in every season I have a hard time believing he's somehow the hardest champion in the game and we have to wait in order to see how changes affect him, he's a spam champion with one of the best safety skills in his E. and their idea of giving him buffs is 9 base hp and 5 extra damage on his Q. like yea thats cool but it will not make up for the loss of klepto, he needs major reverts to his nerfs over the entire s9, prob start with reverting the E cooldown increase an the ap ratio nerf on Q aswell as the ad ratio nerfs on his Q mid season 9. even after these buffs he went up .5% win rate an still falling back below 45 lol. he might even be below kallista tier.
: With Kleptomancy removed, what will happen with Ezreal?
Still waiting for this micro patch that they said would come today =[
Zullar (NA)
: Bring back double tear! {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}
> [{quoted}](name=Zullar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AIWxKuji,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-11-21T17:59:59.449+0000) > > Bring back double tear! {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}} wont work, game will be over before first tear cause ezreal will be useless and zoned off any farm and dived over an over. klepto just helped you farm safe into mid game and come back if you fell massively behind. it rewarded landing skillshots and AAin to trade in lane, yet now ez has no reason to trade with you and will play super passive and just farm with Q and give up lane pressure for safety.
: > [{quoted}](name=iMidg3t,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rcd9kIIG,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-21T16:08:02.751+0000) > > Then it's a drake thats a problem, not tanks. Mountains are also amazing on tanks, infernal is hard nerfed... Like its not just dragons, the whole game got changed in a way that made tanks 10 times stronger. Klepto removed, conqueror true damage removed, aftershock buffed for tanks, etc... In a week or two we will be seeing 3 tanks per team, theres no way ppl wont abuse this for freelo, even if tanks are boring as shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Rcd9kIIG,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-21T16:10:00.177+0000) > > Mountains are also amazing on tanks, infernal is hard nerfed... > > Like its not just dragons, the whole game got changed in a way that made tanks 10 times stronger. > > Klepto removed, conqueror true damage removed, aftershock buffed for tanks, etc... > > In a week or two we will be seeing 3 tanks per team, theres no way ppl wont abuse this for freelo, even if tanks are boring as shit. Good, then carrys can matter again and you can get actual team comps rolling not this 5 assassin everyone being 1 shot bull shit we currently have. league is a game built around strategy and team play, assassins dont belong in this type of game they belong in call of duty.
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