> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=69cNkZGX,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:57:45.188+0000) > > Since there is a disconnect or its on purpose her lines might not be the best resource of information. But its possible. lol you got schooled fam

> [{quoted}](name=The Spicy Crit,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=4Tmy7nHX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-14T16:02:15.828+0000) > > Waiting for someone to say how this is racist. this is racist

> [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbj3s1en,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:04:52.407+0000) > > Riot balance team logic is simple, if something is broken we buff other stuff to be broken too. > > That why there no balance hope from them, that why damage is growing badly in game cause for example {{champion:122}} doing amazing as top laner let's buff {{champion:75}} damage with his stacks. > {{champion:236}} doing well and better than adc, let's buff all adc damage and kits. > > Same goes over and over. It's better to buff than to nerf. The problem with it is that they're not buffing and balancing everything only a specific class.

{{champion:157}} I know it's a generic answer but he's literally a lane bully that transforms into a hyper-carry. Usually the stronger you are early, the more you fall off late and the stronger you are late, the weaker you are early. But he seems to diverge from this trend. He can win a skirmish with anyone at level 1, he has resourceless abilities, he builds straight AD and Crit but for some reason feels tanky because of his shield passive, his mobility is ridiculous. He disables so many champions' kit with his windwall and gets enabled by any teammate with a knockup. The problem with his kit is that his R is supposed to be revolved around his tornado which isn't too hard to land but not too easy either. It has a good balance of probability (the only thing I'd like fixed with him is a better indicator of where the hitboxes on the animation actually are). If yasuo's team has a malphite or wukong. Champions that 8/10 times will land their ult on at least 2 or 3 party members, he gets a free guaranteed ult and bonus AD. He just has too many options and freebies. He's not the easiest champ to master but definitely one of the easiest to pick up. He has the highest playrate in all elos and remains in the top 3-5 banned every patch. I wish they'd rework him. I know he doesn't get as much protest as the "newer" champs like {{champion:84}} {{champion:39}} , but I'm sure it's because players have realized that as over-tuned as yasuo's kit is, riot will never change him due to his popularity and how many 12 year old otps that main him.

She was underpowered for solo queue. But frequently a ban/pick for LCS. They do stuff like this to reduce competitive viability and increase solo queue viability. An example would be to look at the galio nerf/buffs.

What are these "tanks" you talk about? What does that word mean?

how to avoid getting banned advanced tips /mute all.

Meta usually has more to do with how popular and frustrating a champion is to go against just because their numbers aren't reflective off of recent changes doesn't make them "not meta." You seem to have your own definition of what meta is. It has more to do with playrate (popularity) and banrate (frustration) than all else. Winrate does matter, but not as much as playrate and banrate. That's why akali, though having the lowest winrate in the game, is considered meta due to her high ban rate and high play rate. Yasuo would actually be more meta than irelia since he has a higher play rate than irelia by 1.70 percent, only trails behind her in banrate by .1 percent and has a higher winrate than her.

> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VwUEuqA6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-10T03:00:47.035+0000) > > Kha not meta > Yas not meta > Zed not meta > Leblanc meta > Riven has a lot of mobility and burst is she meta nope. > Urgot a slow champion with no busted is he meta yep > It almost like your wrong and do not want to learn how to play against something so you call it bs. Yasuo is the highest playrate champ mid lane and one of the top five banned champs of all time. (currently 4th most banned mid lane) Zed is the second most played champ in mid lane. and 6th most banned. Khazix is the second most played jungler, he's 10th most banned which isn't that bad but his winrate is 52 percent though he's an extremely popular champ. I'll admit riven isn't meta, it's just that the majority of people that play her are one tricks. So yeah you're right about that, but the other champs have extremely high play/ban numbers. If that doesn't make something meta, then what does? Urgot has a dash and high damage (that's all you really need). He doesn't release it as fast as the other champs nor is he as mobile. What makes him meta is that he deals so much damage while being as tanky as he is and having an ult that will auto execute if it lands

Definitely a strawman. Not a summation of what you said. Well, as a person that watches alot of anime, I can tell you that yes they may share qualities with an anime character, but the majority of which are already translated from that way people do basic child anatomy in illustrations. Taking all the details and qualities you've delegated to the definitely-makes-this-an-anime-character box. **Little bill would be considered an anime character. Dora would be considered an anime character. The guy from paw patrol would be considered an anime character**. lol pls stahp. but yeah a "strawman" most def.

You deflected everything I just said with an argument that's summarized as "They also do it in anime, so it's anime." Gee whiz :)

Thanks. And I think that was the time the server went down. Everyone was on the boards talking about it. It didn't even do a "loss prevention." Which it usually does if the fault is on the server.

1) Ivern by default will have 0 kills if he's doing what he's supposed to. Ivern's a support that supposed to delegate kills to his teamates. he will always have the lowest amount of kills and highest amount of assists. See these stats for more information: https://champion.gg/champion/Ivern/Jungle? ranked last in kills and highest in assists. 2) 1vern is countered by nunu or pretty much any champion that can render daisy useless. Smite + Q and daisy's gone. (Imagine my shock losing to a champ that counters me Ikr) **Also notice it's a troll game where we have an ekko ADC and a full ap team. ** 3) Also notice the same two games you're talking about are FLEX TROLL GAMES in PRESEASON where I took lethal tempo on ivern (vietcong ivern). It doesn't seem like you're trying to add anything to the conversation Just downplay the post and poke holes in it. If you don't like the post you don't like it, no need to sugarcoat it buddy. Or at least if you are trying to poke holes in what I'm saying, at least do a good job at it :D

Doge you just said a whole bunch of nothing.

Those were both troll games during preseason. The 0/8 one was me trying different runes on morde as ADC MORDE. Look at my mordekaiser winrate. 58 percent. But thanks for the kind words :)

Hard facts

> [{quoted}](name=JeaneGreene,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nBwfKXVg,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-12-06T16:28:56.903+0000) > > *Plays Ivern Jg > *Gets S+ and saved the game by protecting the carry from a fed kha and initiating with Q to lock down enemy carry > *Gets no honors ayyy ya damn right buddy

I agree with some of the statement, but there are some counters. Poppy support. Leona support and taric I think can do really good against him.

braum, kench, leona. Try em out they're pretty good.

Kids depicted in cartoons or illustrationcail by default have bigger eyes than other features. That's how many of the times an artist can get the point across that the character is a child or youthful. Small chin, big eyes. The anatomical reason behind it is because eyes are one of the only organs in the body that remains the same throughout childhood and adulthood. it has nothing to do with anime. lol Get out the house.

that's not a bad idea friend

Cartoon girl does not = anime. You need to get out of the house some more friend.

I'm trying to say, the only thing you'd get from ap corki are his skillshots. His skillshots already scale off of AD. So you're sacrificing your AA's in return for something that's already given to you. That's your point?

lol okay buddy.

Glad you're enjoying your skin friend

Fighters and juggs are the strongest class in the game. In fact, the two best champion in the game jax and irelia are fighters.

definitely report.

> [{quoted}](name=Alzon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fwaW5jxb,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-05T16:23:09.671+0000) > > Try Ivern Top, so when you hit Iron, you can say, “I V E R N E D I T.” ivern top actually isn't that bad if you go hextech GLP with glacial

skins

Agree with most of what you said but ezreal and nunu aren't as problematic as the others. Especially nunu. He feels more like a for fun champion than anything.

I wouldn't recommend building corki AP. He benefits too much off of ad itemization.

read my second comment lol

{{champion:427}} 2 years no non-release skins. I'm glad that everyone else is getting chromas and christmas skins though.

wait maybe I read the post wrong. Please don't bully me.

"kassadin is fading from the game" AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA https://champion.gg/champion/Kassadin/Middle?league=platplus aahahyahhahahahahahaahahhaahhahahaha ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha waahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa

yeah when I was reading the patch notes I didn't understand why they were nerfing him. I don't see him in any of my games. He's gotta be a monster in competitive or something.

The only time I've seen this was on yorick and I think master yi at one point, every other buff and nerf is made for competitive play. It's really not that big of an issue. Garen, is a strange one though, because though he's supposed to be extremely easy to use and a beginner champ that's only good for low elo, he does exceptionally well in higher elos and for a while in season 8 he was top 3 winrate platinum and up. Yorick on the other hand they said "People dunno what this champ does. Let's nerf it." I think what they should have instead done was do something with his kit so it's not so un-interactive. Split split split. Maybe that was the goal of nerfing him, but not executed with the best text.

I tried playing twisted treeline once. Jungled against an enemy Shaco. Could not gank even one lane because of his boxes and no oracle.

Hey thanks for the ivern nerf without giving us a skin. Appreciate y'all.

First clip) Good to know we're comparing s8 damage to s3 damage with an exhaust proc. Second clip fight) The winning team has 3 tanks, an ap support and one marksmen in a controlled environment. Unlike solo queue, in competitive league of legends, players have voice chat and familiarity with another. They can actually peel for their adc. Also, going back to what you said about damage. A game with three tanks would have an underwhelming amount of damage output both for the team with tanks and against the team fighting tanks. To put in perspective how much damage S3 really had, go to 0:41 where one turret shot takes half of zyra's entire health bar. The reason why the varus isn't dying is because he's fed. Normally he would be dying, but he has a gold lead on his opponents with health steal hence why the casters in 1:11 onward are questioning "How is he still alive." Now this part of competitive is comparable with solo queue, Fed adc's with life steal do this all the time in SQ. Think fed draven. It's also funny that you're saying damage is lower, though vayne in 1:05 at 45 percent health got melted with two attacks. Glad we're only looking at the fed champions and exhaust procs. Third clip) Again, the champion is fed with life steal. In fact, just look at the amount of damage he does to thresh (a tank) at 1:37. The only reason malphite got to live a little longer, is because both him and diana were body blocking (they're also champions with shield btw so no janna needed this time :D) one another at 1:40 and onward. After Diana is dead, The malphite dies shortly after. I think he even goes from 35 percent health to 0 in 1.2 seconds. You're comparing apples to oranges. Competitive to solo queue. A fed LCS adc to adc's in general. I'm sure damage was lower in previous season, I'm not doubting you on that and I agree entirely(you can just look to ignite's damage for that), but to use these clips as a foundation of an argument about how "different" the game was, isn't the best idea. Please bring on the dislikes, but most importantly, if any civilized being would like to have a discussion about this video that I believe is an unequivocal fallacy, that would also be great. It's nice to talk about things like this and change each others' opinions. Have a great day friends {{champion:427}}

You're surmising that the league of legends time era is modern day. League feels more like medieval times than modern day times. Assassins, mages, star dragons, druids, arena fighting.

I agree ignite should be nerfed but, Marksmen are supposed to be able to be RQWE'd and beaten in one shot. They sacrifice defense for damage. Every post I see, It's like marksmen want every other role to do no damage while they just kite around them and use resourceless AA's. You say other marksmen can't blow other marksmen up? Ya sure? There was a post a month ago of a clip of a miss fortune Q taking 75 percent of another enemy adc's health and the entire post was centered around "This game has too much damage." Supports? If you're talking about ap supports, the majority of them are ap mages that people just take bot side. Assassins? Obviously buddy. Tanks? Which tanks? The majority of champions that are tanks are secondarily a fighter or primarily a fighter and secondarily tank. If they're building full tank though, they won't be able to kill you in one go. Champions like Nasus or tahm kench can do this but that's because of their passives but these are champions that can be easily peeled. I think the real change we need is voice chat. Both tanks and marksmen (in high elo) have lost some popularity just because of how team reliant they are and because they're champions that have to scale into what their class is. Most of what's meta now are just assassins and fighters since it's solo queue which are champions with the most agency. They require little team coordination to execute their abilities and setup, and the majority of them abuse mobility creep to the fullest.

Most of the"ap" supports you're implying are primarily mages. People just take them as support either because they can grant a shield to themselves and another teamate and they make the laning phase easier with their high amounts of base damage.

If we're speaking about league of legends. Please always assume I'm referring to laning in a 5v5 situation. I've seen 1v1 custom games and 1v1's at certain events, but those make up about like .01 amount of games played.

mages actually win vs ad's. That's why mages go mid lane. If adc's won against mages, we would be seeing more of them mid lane.

I shouldn't have tried to have a meaningful conversation with someone in bronze. You can complain or try to get good bro. The game won't get better for you any other way.

I can't really speak on how high the damage is in this game since this is only my first season playing the game and don't really know how the damage was prior seasons, but It feels that lowering damage from where it is right now, would make support feel pretty useless. I dislike assassins, "stat checky" champs, and mobility creep in general, but the majority of what a support is supposed to do, is hold down an opponent while their carries unleash the damage on them. The lower the damage, the less effective the support, support role, and cc will be. I never saw a problem with adcs. I thought the reason they were so hard to play/scale and meant to be hard to scale is because they're able to put out tremendous amounts of damage with ranged resourceless AA's. I don't play adc myself, but I do play corki mid sometime and he takes time to scale but after his third item, he can carry pretty easily, which I thought was how adc's were meant to be played. That being said, maybe lower damage would help out the game, but unless you're playing an enchanter support with heals, support role would see less play and diversity.