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: As a support main I'd just like to give advice to ADCs. I've seen great ADCs and I've seen garbage ADCs. If the enemy isn't there or if your support is zoning them completely off, there is absolutely no reason for you to be missing CS. You don't have to have perfect CS but you shouldn't be missing half the minions without a lane opponent. That's pretty basic. Actual advice I'd like to see in action is right clicking. The support can't 2v1 the lane; the ADC has to poke as well. If the support is taking damage, the ADC needs to help disengage by attacking. If the support landed CC, the ADC needs to capitalize on that and auto attack them. Good ADCs will weave autoattacks in towards the opponent when they aren't CS'ing. Bad ADC's will only focus on CS'ing and not once attack their lane opponents. The former can be left alone around level 6 because they get fed, letting the support roam to other lanes. The latter has to be left alone, because that ADC simply won't let them do their job. Also, obviously, don't push the wave mindlessly. If you keep getting ganked yet refuse to freeze the wave then the support should totally stay behind the river. They should try to save the ADC from the gank but honestly it would be better for just one to die instead of 2. But also don't let it push into your tower. If the enemy has three waves of minions because the ADC won't kill em, it's impossible to poke for the support. Your skillshots won't go through the horde of minions but an autoattack will cause the minions to take away half of the support's HP. I don't want to start a support circle jerk, but I don't see any bad support players because I'm the only support in my games. So I can't give advice. But yea. Don't queue for a duo lane if you suck at the game, because now you'll do bad naturally but you're bringing down someone else with you and pushing two enemies ahead as well. X.X
I've said it before and I'll say it again, but it is the SUPPORT that dictates the bot lane. If an ADC main has a good support, it's almost a promised win bot unless the enemy is better of course. If your supp is bad then there is NOTHING you can do. At all. A support dictates far too much in the lane. Supports decide when to engage. Supports ward (even though you should be warding too) Supports do the disengagements. Supports poke. etc, etc ADCs are hopeless without supports. That's why they need them. It is a HUGE responsibility to be a support and a bad one can potentially put an ADC too far behind and they may never recover. Again, ADC's are so demanding because they KNOW this. But some support "mains" don't. If you are not stepping up to pressure the enemy supp from poking me and I back off and miss CS because of it, it's just as much your fault as it is mine. You HAVE to have a presence in the lane and you HAVE to pressure the enemy laner otherwise you are completely worthless and you are enabling our lane opponents to pressure us without repercussions. Also, do NOT engage when a wave is pushing us far back under our tower and we're taking minion aggro. A lot of supports engage at the WRONG time and get upset when the ADC doesn't follow-up. Also, it is MUCH harder for an ADC to poke than a supp due to the fact that the ADC will be focused and CC'd instantly. They have to either 1) Have their supps covering for them or 2) Poke whilist their supp is being poked at/engaged on. Too many times has my supp been caught only for me and my supp to instantly turn on their adc and burst them to hell. ADC's HAVE to be careful and they can't afford to put themselves in harms way.
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Drehirth (NA)
: You make really good points, and to be fair my list probably paints a bad picture in a lot of peoples heads- they'll have their past games of a toxic adc immediately come to mind, but to be fair the list is what makes me "salty af" like the thread was about. it doesn't actually mean I am salty often..just when it DOES happen it's usually my support. most supports I get along with even if we lose lane, but for some reason toxic supports words always feel like daggers compared to my jungler or toplaner raging at me that usually won't bother me. I do think that something that isn't mentioned enough is how supports are supposed to roam; the supports that think they have to baby sit their adc become dependent on their adc to climb which is why a lot of them don't. most of the time the support decides the laning phase and it's frustrating to lose a lane or even go even in a highly favorable match up to an adc I know is much worse than me because of the supports. often times my support leaving is what I want because it draws the other support to match the roam (when it's timed right, that's the important part) and now I get to have more control in a 1v1 where I'm also less likely to get ganked because if the supports are somewhere else it also usually draws the junglers there too for a lot of games because people like to play aram.
The support circle jerk on these boards is even worse than the jungler circle jerk. Every position has their issues but it seems as if support mains always have a "woe is me" story. As an adc main I can tell you countless stories of supports literally losing or throwing the lane away because at the end of the day supports DO dictate the laning phase for you. Supports decide when to engage. Supports do the disengage. Supports do the warding (even though you should too obv) Supports do the poking. etc, etc If a support cannot do their job then you cannot do yours. If you as an adc are getting poked to hell every time you try to cs, and yet your support refuses to step up and at least act as a deterrent for that squishy Sona to step up and poke you, then you will miss out on cs, which means you'll miss out on gold, which means that you will be behind, which could have been avoided if your support realized that Sona loves to poke and maybe I should step in front of my adc when he's trying to cs so that Sona would think twice about getting out of position just to poke. ADCs are very demanding of their supports but it's for a very good reason and it's frustrating because it seems no matter how good of an adc you are if your support cannot do their job then you are out of luck. I've been games where a good support has literally saved the bot lane even though their adc is always out of position and can't farm worth a crap. I've also been in games where the enemy adc is farming well and positions themselves almost perfectly so that they can't be poked unless you step up too far, yet they're readily available to follow up if their support engages, yet their support engages and blow the exhaust on my tanky support and completely nullifies anything the adc can do because it becomes too dangerous for them to follow up.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bladerunner7777,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y5jvB8IY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-09T00:36:58.997+0000) > > I honestly think ADC has a very difficult time influencing games in Solo Q, they just aren't as impactful unless they can go an armor pen build so they can exist pre-lategame. > > Most ranked games don't strech long enough for ADCs to really make a difference > > But, if you have a competent support that can get you fed you can still perform well. That's the problem with low elo, competent supports are few and far between. They all decided to give up on support because they were tired of being abused by their ADCs while playing the least popular, arguably least exciting role, that only exists to take care of their carries.
Just face it. Supports in low elo are bad. Like very bad. You need to have of good decision making that low elo players simply don't have enough of. I love how support players are the only ones that can get away with blaming everyone else but themselves. I've had supports hold on to their exhaust until after I've died when using it would have been the difference between me securing a kill or not in an early fight. I've had supports go on an extremely ill advised warding trip when they see me go for cs only for me to get dived by a leona and then they want to say it's my fault when they're the ones who left me for no reason or at least without warning. Supports decide the bot lane and it's frustrating as an ADC main to get the short end of the stick because you KNOW that you have to rely on them but they also have to be half-way decent at their job and not brain-dead monkeys that abandon you, forcing you, the adc carry, to miss out on cs while they go mid and feed or get caught by the enemy jungler.
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