Wuks (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jayce211,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=K2QH3FTe,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-20T01:57:54.078+0000) > > What is it? I have never seen it before the one game I joined with him. And I don't talk or rage during games, I mute everyone and just look for pings. If I recall correctly, it's the LeaverBuster indicator. If someone in your party is in Low Priority Queue (LPQ), you'll see that icon. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ
> [{quoted}](name=Wuks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=K2QH3FTe,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-20T02:04:04.124+0000) > > If I recall correctly, it's the LeaverBuster indicator. If someone in your party is in Low Priority Queue (LPQ), you'll see that icon. > > https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ But why would I have it as a solo player? It doesn't affect my que times, but I am just curious.
: uh hoh someone was very bad
> [{quoted}](name=WeebSlayerKrully,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=K2QH3FTe,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-20T01:39:39.171+0000) > > uh hoh someone was very bad What is it? I have never seen it before the one game I joined with him. And I don't talk or rage during games, I mute everyone and just look for pings.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Jayce211,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QEFKkEf3,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-04-11T17:33:14.123+0000) > > And yet after every game, we get a pop up box saying someone has been punished, care to explain that? You can try to walk your way around everything, but when it clearly pops up after every game when we report someone, something is broken, either it is falsely telling us it has taken action, or it took action when it was not needed. Huh? I don't get a pop up every game that I report someone. I get one if they say %$@%^$#% ^&^%*% (&*&&% kys
Another one down! http://imageshack.com/a/img923/8590/fcUthG.png
: The system is actually pretty good at determining that your chat behavior is a problem, it doesn't need to be manually done and it absolutely does parse your chat logs rather than simply punished based on being reported. This might have not been possible 30 years ago, but automated systems today can and are designed to learn and improve detection based on the way we report behavior. > Same goes for other types of reports, and in ranked if you get reported for AFK or Int Feeding, that can lead to ranked bans until you play so many normal games. You appear to be working off over 2 year old Tribunal information, so I can see why you may be confused about the Instant Feedback System. Leaver Buster is a separate system that automatically detects non-participation and gives Low Priority Queue penalties, and another system called Intentional Feeder Detection handles (you guess it) intentional feeding. Feeder Detection is actually tuned quite conservatively so as not to accidentally punish for bad games, and mass reporting has no effect on either of these; reports for that are for tracking a pattern of behavior so that a manual review can be done if necessary, and also provide data for improving those systems' abilities to do so automatically. Here are some links for those two systems; https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/i5yNt3I5-upgrading-the-intentional-feeder-detection-system As for the rest of your confusion with how the IFS works for reports and punishing players, I've replied to the other player on this thread with a list of Riot sources of information to help clear up any confusions you may have; https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/QEFKkEf3-thank-you-rito?comment=0000000000010001 If you have any questions, let me know.
And yet after every game, we get a pop up box saying someone has been punished, care to explain that? You can try to walk your way around everything, but when it clearly pops up after every game when we report someone, something is broken, either it is falsely telling us it has taken action, or it took action when it was not needed.
: >BTW we found a way around your fog of war as well, just gotta edit the system files a bit... Considering you haven't played a game since last July, I'd say you didn't find a way around as well as you thought you did...
Cute how you think I would use my current account to actual post on this thread. Some people have zero common sense, and I can tell you are one of them.
: This isn't true at all. The system does not take multiple reports into account; Every report triggers a review, and the system doesn't check a match any harder for having more reports. Nobody gets punished just because they were reported, they get punished for their behavior, and certainly not given chat restrictions having only said "GG". There is considerable evidence of this in the Reform Cards posted on the boards; not a single person received punishment with no negative behavior shown. If someone claims they were punished having done nothing they are free to prove it by posting their own logs.
This is where you are wrong. The system isn't reviewed by a person, it is an automatic system. So there is no way for the computer to know if you were raging or not, when a "Chat review" is submitted, the only thing the system looks for is if you actually typed in the game, not what you typed. And if you have multiple reports from the same game it decides a punishment depending on your past penalties, if you had none you get like a 10 game chat ban. Same goes for other types of reports, and in ranked if you get reported for AFK or Int Feeding, that can lead to ranked bans until you play so many normal games. We have been doing these false reports for over a month and after every game we get a pop up box saying thanks for the report ect... This is why the system is broken, there is no player involvement to decide what is raging and what is not. They took a working system judged by peers and had a computer take over with an algorithm and want to claim it isn't broken. So we are proving to them it is broken and always has been.
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GigglesO (NA)
: Tanks tend to survive longer, and force longer fights. This forces their damage to be higher because not only do they have to kill your full hp bar, they also have to kill your lifesteal and healing effects. I see full nuke mages going 20/0 doing less champion damage than the 0/5 naut in toplane for this reason.
I am talking about pure damage. This malph did a 3 combo on me and killed me everytime, with no AP items at all. It wasn't even a fight..
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LunaFox (NA)
: That's a connection issue then! It's likely that your firewall is blocking the update, or the patcher simply can't connect due to your internet settings. The [Connection Guide](http://riot.com/12B7oac) has a lot of great steps for resolving this, give that a try! :)
> [{quoted}](name=LunaFox,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=BziAqcsA,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-24T21:33:18.545+0000) > > That's a connection issue then! It's likely that your firewall is blocking the update, or the patcher simply can't connect due to your internet settings. The [Connection Guide](http://riot.com/12B7oac) has a lot of great steps for resolving this, give that a try! :) How can you blame his connection? Pretty sure he played before the patch update, which means he connected just fine then. Just like RITO to put blame on the customer instead of saying we might have a problem on our end since SO MANY PEOPLE are having the SAME EXACT ISSUE.
: And I thought riot had bad customer support....
So you are whining cause you played to long and now they won't refund you cause your system is having problems? GTFO
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DG Banks (NA)
: i think suspensions work for some people, until they realize that it does not matter at all how much they reform or how much of a better player they become because RIOT does not care about that. So then they just slip back into their more natural toxic state.
This is what I mean, they don't work. Riot doesn't really care either, so players just make a new account and go troll some more anyways. Unless your plat or above, your account really isn't that important, getting to Gold is easy anyways, and leveling doesn't take to long either.
: Suspensions work in some cases but not all ^_^
I don't think they work at all. I think it causes a more negative impact then a positive one. Like when someone bans someone else champ they were going to play, you might as well just dodge that game cause you are going to lose. What they should do is just take all those players they want to suspend or punish and put them in a Que by themselves. Let them all just rage or troll each other. Instead they are creating a negative game play for me cause I now have to have them in my games, silver and bronze get the most trolls.
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: They aren't scanning your PC, they are detected it when it interacts with the game. It's like saying they are scanning your PC to detect when you click the mouse to do something in-game.
This is false, they are scanning your PC. I have two hard drives. One backup drive and one internal drive. My internal drive crashed about 6 months ago, so I replaced it with a new one, fresh installed LOL and my work programs only. Of course on my backup drive MKLOL was still on there. Got a permaban two days ago for having 3rd party software. Explain to me how RITO knows about the MKLOL on my backup drive when I haven't opened it in over 6 months?
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Jayce211 (NA)
: Banned for malicious software?
I finally got a response.. "Hello Jayce211, Your account has been permanently suspended following the use of scripts, hacks, exploits or unauthorized third-party programs in League of Legends. Accounts that are caught using hacks to gain an unfair competitive advantage are subject to permanent suspension. We work hard to preserve a fair and competitive environment in League of Legends. Regardless of intent, use of unauthorized third-party programs is explicitly against the Terms of Use, which can be found here: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/legal/termsofuse Keep in mind that account sharing of any kind is also against the Terms of Use. You are responsible for all activity on your account, so be sure to keep your account information to yourself. We won't be able to go into the specifics of an account's exploit abuse, as divulging this information could compromise future investigations. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns. OrochiKyo Riot Player Support The Deathsinger " So I responded and told them they were wrong and to give me the exact day this happened. Now they say.. "Hello Summoner, I understand you have concerns and Iā€™m sorry I am not able to address them at this time. We have a Player Behavior Team in place dedicated to working with these requests, so I need to transfer your ticket. A Player Behavior Specialist will be contacting you shortly. Thank you for your patience. Regards, SirAaru The Grandmaster Explorer of Piltover " So why do you need a player behavior specialist for this? It had nothing to do with my behavior. It has something to do with you guys did something wrong.
Prozzak (NA)
: I am talking about the time you spent before that on the old one. You said you played for 2 months on that one before the change.
That was over 4 months ago! Like what riot just stores this information in their database and every 6 months does a wide ban? Even after those people have uninstalled the programs? Also why is riot scanning your computers? The TOS does not mention anything about scanning the PC for any software, so what are they looking for or what are they taking from your PC?
: To everyone who got caught using MKLOL
To bad this isn't true though. I got the warning as well over 6 months ago. A week after the warning my HD crashed and I had to buy a new one. Never installed it on the new one and I still got the ban. So explain that one? Also please explain why riot is searching everyone's computer? I do not see that in the terms of service that they can search my computer? Cause not every one installs programs the same way, example most people probably do the typical install, I myself keep all my programs on a backup drive, which means it is not in the default location and riot would have to search all 3 hard drives to find any type of software. So why is riot invading our PC? What else are they taking from it?
Nydrox (NA)
: Unfair Permaban From Riot Games (Please Help)
I am not sure what is going on with Riot.. I got the same ban after playing for over 6 months since my last warning on anything. Only thing I have done different is not rage as much and play my champs more and get better.. Went from S5 to S1 and once I got to S1 promo's to go gold, now banned.
: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22263766#profile looks like u used scripts or u get boosted!
This means nothing. I have the same ban in Silver. Isn't the point of the game to get better?
: Banned first time=perma banned
It was probably for malicious software like the rest of us, that bad part is riot is not seeing their mistake and won't un ban any of those accounts. It is kinda funny how I have 3 different accounts that play on the same computer, but only my account got banned for the "malicious software". I even offered to supply videos of the games on the day they "show" the software to be of use, but of course they can't provide a day. But yet riot still thinks this is not an error. So either 1) Their software is broken. 2) Their software sucks and doesn't catch all accounts logged in. 3) There is something in Windows that their software is saying is a 3rd party program.
Sarutobi (NA)
: Seems like there was another wave of 3rd party permabans. Also note that they also put people buying accounts or people sharing accounts with 3rd party program bans. So that might have been the cause of it!
This isn't true either. I have never bought nor sold or used or let anyone use my account. I got the first email 6 months ago that told me I couldn't use the skin MKJogo and then my PC crashed so I had a new PC never installed MKJogo again and I still got a ban today after playing all day yesterday. Just goes to show me never to spend money on this game cause they ban you even when you stop using what they warned you not to use.
Prozzak (NA)
: They ban in waves. It is possible that when you uninstalled whatever this MKJogo is you left behind some traces of it that are what Riot uses to detect it being used. They had not done a ban wave since then and so you are only now getting hit with the ban because in their eyes you ignored the message to stop using it.
I have a totally new hard drive, no MKJogo has ever been installed on this one though.
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cluvie (NA)
: Reminder: Third Party Applications
I would really like a clear explanation as to why they are banning certain programs instead of doing that whole "Parents: I said so" and then you wonder why so many bad talk Riot to the public. Riot claims you can't "Cheat or Hack" since everything is server side anyways, so what are they worried about? I don't see other games throwing out all these crazy bans due to 3rd party software. The whole thing is just plain bs, Why you ask? SKINS: Very simple, I can go in and modify any skin using photoshop for FREE, but yet I can't use a program for it to save time? What is the difference there? Basically all you do is open the skin you want and resave it as the default skin, not very hard to figure out. Don't know where the skins are saved? Quick "Google" search tells you exactly how to do it and riot will never know. Wanna use MKJogo for skins only? Open it up, change the skins of the champs you want and close it. They will still be saved and RIOT won't ever know you been using it. So clearly they aren't really stopping us from using it, they are just being annoying about it cause they won't let us use IP to buy skins and some people don't wanna spend money on a free game. Jungle Timers: To ban an application or software that is keeping track of my jungle timers is just plain retarded.. you now have a built in jungle time that does the same thing, But let's say you did not have this built in feature, using a gaming keyboard or gaming mouse I can manually set it up so that when I see something die, I press one button and it can start a vbscript on my computer for a timer and relay that information to my team at the same time and you would never know it wasn't just me typing it anyways. You are acting like these 3rd party programs are giving someone an advantage when clearly it's not that hard to do without them, we are just using shortcuts. And all the 3rd party programs so far I have seen require someone on your team to witness the jungle death before the timer starts. And now it's even easier since your own system tells us when the other team kills baron/dragon and we don't even have to see it. (SO YOU NOW ALLOW A HUGE ADVANTAGE THERE ALL ON YOUR OWN) Chat programs: What is the difference between me picking up the phone and calling my buddies or using an online chat program. Sometimes I think riot is just bored when they come up with these rules. The only benefit is faster communication which all the pro's use these as well. 3rd Party Overlays: Let's face it, RIOT either doesn't have the correct people lined up for security that can detect scripters (Which most of us they don't even detect what we are running, cause a true scripter will never tell anyone what they have or share with anyone.) or plainly just don't know what to look for.. BTW did you know you can take away the fog of war? And it's been around forever! No 3rd party tricks needed. Also there is tons of 3rd party overlays that riot will never be able to detect cause they are on your system and do not directly interfere with the game, example Teemo places a shroom, there is a program that can detect that and put that shroom on your overlay. So instead of being stupid and banning non cheating apps, lets concentrate on the heavier ones maybe?
Uiraya (NA)
: Starting a game in my "earned" Silver III rank
I don't understand the system at all.. I went 9/1 in placements and got S5 after ending last season higher up. Like what is the factors in placement, the score? kills? towers taken? It seems to be very broken to me.
differ23 (NA)
: I want to say im sorry
They just reported you and went on. They will most likely never read this.
: They just did
They fixed nothing.. I still let the timer run all the way down and click lock in at the very last second. Give my team more time to discuss what we are doing and who we playing depending on bans and player selections.
: New champion select roundtable
To bad they already have a problem. Same thing happens every time they release something, gotta take it back offline cause they have a bug.. You would think that the beta testing would fix all the bugs? Maybe better beta testers are needed if you have to take something offline every time you release something.
: Someone please explain to me
There is always cry babies in this game. Always has been, always will be. Then they want to complain like it's the champion selections that make them bad, and when you try to help them or point out what they did wrong, they report you and with the broken report system, you always get the ban. YI has always been one of the biggest champs everyone complains about.. OMG what a noob champ blah blah.. But you can actually lose badly with a YI that doesn't know what he is doing or know when to go all in.. Same with Urgot.. or many other champs.
: Holy fuck i was so immature
So sad now a days you can't even tell people how bad they suck without getting a ban. I bet riot even gives out participation trophies at work to the losers when they have contest..
: Reasons why Vayne is (arguably) too powerful now and does not have a weak early game
She isn't bad, just pick Braum or Naut as the counter support, they both stop her with ease with stuns. Braum can solo vayne up to lvl 6. And then depending on how you build braum after that is how long he can handle her. I have not had any problems with her as long as we use a counter support.
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: Getting High Ping in League Games
This is not a glitch.. Your ISP just sucks.. Upgrade to a commercial ISP and you won't have this problem.. Stop being cheap and blaming riot for your issues.. Spend some money already..
: Failed To Connect/Game has Crashed
There is nothing wrong with Riot or the servers.. This must be an issue on your end.. Your ISP sucks.. Your PC sucks.. stop complaining.. Riot is here to make money.. They are not here to hear you whine over your stupid issues.. Shut up and give them more money!
: Toxic Players Ganged Up on Me & Got Me a 2-Week Ban - READ IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT
Riot will not review cases, they say that all the time, they claim their system works without errors.. Stop crying and give them your money already! STFU
: Can We please do something about this bull****?
Stop crying already.. Riot doesn't care or else they would of fixed the problem by now on multiple levels.. Same reason they got rid of the tribunal.. They don't want to actually have to deal with anything, they want it automated. So shut up and give them your money as they know you won't stop playing or else you would of already moved on to another game already.
: "It's the support's job to ward"
Normally as any lane I always upgrade my trinket, as jungler I try to ward bot dragon and top baron area all the time, just to help prevent ganks. But tribush on top and bot I believe should always be a laner that wards there. As a support in lane phase I ward bot tribush, dragon (if jungler isn't) and normally first bush closest to enemy tower. Of course this also depends on who their jungler is as well but that is almost a good place to always put them. Once lane phase is over I put one by dragon and one by baron, and 3rd one I drop closest to where we are pushing. Seems to work well even if only one other person on your team wards. My pink is almost always by red though no matter what side i am on, it will help to see if they come into your jungle at any point.
: My take on toxicity and the community
Doesn't matter really, riot will never fix it, that is why they went with an automated system, and refuse to even look at why someone gets banned anymore, they know you will keep playing, and keep paying, they could simply ignore you and you would keep playing.. What else you going to go to? That is what they are thinking. I have seen people I duo with get bans and they haven't said anything in chat at all and then after one game of someone on enemy team crying they lost and reported whole team, my partner after 2 more games got chat banned.
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